: yo son, you're a sion otp and when you're a sion otp and you're bad with him, complain about him being weak when he has 52% win rate in high elo, you should not reply to me get back to the game, stop being hardstuck and get good at sion then come back and talk with me about what takes skill what doesn't thanks
Are you trying to imply enchanters take skill? Lol.
: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/844/770/e9d.jpg
What do you mean bait this is a serious problem that needs to be fixed.
: > Pls give Janna and Lulu the ability to ground people. i nearly passed out at the thought of buffing these champs
Wow u must be a biased assassin main zzz.
Rioter Comments
: Correction to the previous correction of the previous post: We just need more dash stoppers
Ye assassins are complete bullshit we need more ways to hold then down for our immobile adc and supports to beat them up. Pls help riot this is getting out of hand.
: #TLDR: Marksman are strong right now because literally everything in the meta favors them right now. **Tanks are still strong as crap on their own** Who counters tanks? ADCs. So having tanks being strong correlates with ADCs being strong naturally. Tanks now have bramble, stoneplate, locket, and many more appealing options to choose from. **Supports are probably the strongest role right now** Their itemization options are borderline disgustingly good. {{item:3504}} {{item:3800}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3076}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3193}} etc. How could ADCs NOT thrive in this situation? Supports are too good at their job right now, nd its getting out of hand. **Some assassins arent that good right now** Seriously. Lebalnc is up for her rework, AD Assassins are being held back by Duskblade, Diana is still in a weird spot, and so on. Some assassins could use a bit of help so the assassin class can overall do a bit better. ALTHOUGH, nerfing tanks and supports may fix this issue too. **Divers and skirmishers are being completely outclassed by tanks** Seriously. Why pick Irelia or Vi when you can just pick sejuani. Sej can lock you down for ages and still proceed to chunk you hard, and if they build RG and bramble, its really hard to outclass. #In my opinion, we are not in a direct ADC meta, we are in a hardcore tank and support meta, where they make it almost impossible to kill the adc. Nerfing these two will indirectly buff assassins and indirectly nerf ADCs. *Also as a Caitlyn main, Shiv is a disgusting item*
You put everything I am thinking into words. Usually I just end up saying something like "xd supports arent op", but this is probably the better way to put it.
: > [{quoted}](name=UrZedM8,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BGjPzG0y,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-09-17T21:16:37.342+0000) > > How are games taking 15 minutes when your games average 28-44 minutes with like 2 20 minute games? Idk where you learned how time works but you may be kinda off. There's a difference between games being decided after 10-15 minutes and games lasting for 30+ minutes because the winning team's too stupid to end.
30 minutes is enough time for a come back. Nothing is decided unless its ended very early.
Lyseth (NA)
: So turrets need this nerf.....why?
How are games taking 15 minutes when your games average 28-44 minutes with like 2 20 minute games? Idk where you learned how time works but you may be kinda off.
: > [{quoted}](name=midnight oil24,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=o999upyP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-14T20:43:33.940+0000) > > Actually, he's upset because pewdiepie said a slur, another thing in a list of pretty horrific actions by the streamer. He doesn't want his product associated with someone who makes racist comments and such. he didnt say on this developpers game and apologized afterwards
> [{quoted}](name=PTZekrom69,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=o999upyP,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-09-14T20:50:50.664+0000) > > he didnt say on this developpers game and apologized afterwards Then he almost said it again a couple days later but stopped himself mid way. Thank god he meant that apology.
: > that no one will want to play http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f9/f93c76303736d0ace43ec0892996cb214c5a81ccb436355d27952794eecca144.jpg
Yeah my bad shouldn't have said no one.
: You can thank the other half of us (mainly r/azirmains) for asking Riot to keep the Shurima Shuffle gimmick.
Without the shuffle he will be a boring poke mage that no one will want to play. This rework doesnt look all that amazing, but many azir players would rather keep the dash because they don't want to play shit like xerath.
Eedat (NA)
: The amount of bias on this board is reaching critical mass
Supports are honestly a bigger problem than adcs right now. Adcs have barelly changed besides a couple cost decreases, meanwhile supports got a shit ton of items and ways to keep people alive with little to no effort. Special little support mains are never the problem, this place is a fucking shit show lol.
: you mean when supports and their braindead gameplay along with adcs wiping entire teams with burst per second autoattacks isnt skill and mechanics ?
: I'm really hoping Shen's next skin will be...
Zed and Shen don't have any matching or opposing skins but they probably have one of the most interesting rivalries, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
: PSA: You shouldn't negotiate with champion select terrorists. Here is why:
My favorite is when you are playing a random solo q game and one guy decides to troll. But no one gives a shit and everyone decides to troll with him. The good ol "We aren't stuck with you, you are stuck with us" tactic.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=UrZedM8,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=qWUx2Gl5,comment-id=001300010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-10T22:26:17.055+0000) > > No it just means he is trash. Look at the toplists for Ahri, its legit full of Challenger Ahri mains. Even Shiphtur has a positive winrate on Ahri and its his most played in Challenger. Ya Shiphtur called her weak though. Can you link me this toplists for Ahri and their opinion about Ahri maybe? Thanks!
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=qWUx2Gl5,comment-id=0013000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-10T21:23:16.489+0000) > > he has been diamond 1 or sth though, it's just sad that he is like plat 2/3 hardstuck nowadays lol Well it shows how bad Ahri is now right? A diamond 1 Midlaner ahri main now can't even get back to diamond and stuck in plat. Lol. How bad did Ahri become XD Riot balance team is really really bad at balancing.
No it just means he is trash. Look at the toplists for Ahri, its legit full of Challenger Ahri mains. Even Shiphtur has a positive winrate on Ahri and its his most played in Challenger.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Congrats on being the first triggered ahri main
Lol did you edit zed's part to what he said? Or did you quote him from another time, genuinely curious how that worked out. Oh he might just be memeing nvm Cx.
: I mean, yes picking tank top when you are autofilled is on one hand generally the best idea especially right now but let me tell you every main toplaner knows how to abuse the shit out of autofilled tank players.
The thing about tanks is you really dont have to trade, or try to force fights in lane. You are going to be useful for your utility as long as you dont fall too far behind in cs.
: Junglers are Too Important to Autofill
Jungle is honestly pretty braindead rn with all the tanks and catchup xp. It probably wont be that bad unless you have a support main autofilled. Even then i get what you are saying but having an autofilled mid or adc is probably worse. Top can just pick a tank, support is easy as hell, and jungle really isnt that bad.
: The only assassin incapable of doing his combo almost instantly- {{champion:91}}
: what do you mean support items cant be OP ardent cancer is not OP its just adcs that r broke ;^^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dont forget its just the meta, so therefore it shouldnt be nerfed.
: people experience withdrawal symptoms when they dont have an ardent support and its sad/hilarious
Riot thought adding stronger support items would make more players want to play support. Instead it just makes everyone hate the game. Wp rito.
: I'd rather them buff other support items to match. I greatly enjoy there being powerful items that are primarily played on supports, and think it's healthy for the game in general.
: Point still stands... I don't come here to complain about how "broken op" the champs that counter the champs i play are... **because they aren't** I've lost a fair share of games to ppl competent enough to counterbuild even in this "broken censer meta", just because they were smart enough to build {{item:3123}} (Questionably balanced item, as opposed to its mage/tank counterparts the debuff is disproportionately longer lasting with far less application restrictions and far easier application of said debuff to boot... Lets not talk about how its only 800 g cost to start with...) What im trying to say is, this meta is different and as such you can't reliably expect to play the same way you used to before it and still succeed.
You didnt even make a single point though. Supports are clearly overtuned currently. They send out massive amounts of shields with litterally 0 counterplay. And honestly I rarely ever complain about the meta, but enchanter supports are legit the most toxic champions when they are strong. The only people who think the meta is ok now are adc and support players and thats because their champs are too good.
: When you are used to killing adcs and suddenly the supports prevent you from going "LOLROFLMAO Roll face into keyboard and oneshot ADC xD" go to boards and blame/cry about supports... As a Sona/Soraka main you dont see me coming here to bitch about whenever Blitz/Thresh/Leona are in meta... Arguably, though {{item:3504}} may need a rework of some sort so that it stops being such a "slap some more stats on my healz/shieldz lulz" item.
Cx talking about rolling your face when you are a Sona/Soraka main. Oh how ironic that is.
Mimr (EUW)
: I'm starting to believe that it's not ADC damage that is overtuned but the amount of protection they have. Babysit supports like Janna and Soraka can keep an ADC alive for a far too long time at the moment (exhaust, knights' vow, shields, heals, ardent censer) and on top of that ADCs also have stuff like phantom dancer and death's dance that can outright deny or delay a significant percentage of incoming damage or bloodthirster that grants a significant shield on top of being able to lifesteal yourself back up to full health in a few hits. ADC's have always been able to deal obscene amounts of damage lategame, the problem is that it's never been as hard as it is now to get rid of them or punish their mistakes.
I've been saying this forever >_>. When you are used to killing adcs and suddenly they are tanks you begin to realize its the supports that are the problem.
: for every tank that you name is op, ill name one that is extremely underpowered. Does nerfing every tank(regardless of their balance state!) just because a few are strong sound like a good idea to you??
The. Jungle. Is. Literally. Only. Tanks. You guys cry about diversity, but the second it comes to champs you play you have something else to say about it. I dont give a shit how weak some tanks are, everyone has to deal with champs they enjoy playing being weak, but no one enjoys playing jungle anymore these days, its actually just boring.
: Riot are actually nerfing Cinderhulk while not nerfing a SINGLE ADC item
The jungle is legit only extremely boring and braindead tanks > Boards actually fucking complain about a cinderhulk nerf. Holy shit.
Zardo (NA)
: He was picked for his ult in pro play in the same way kalista is picked for her rend and taliyah her ult; they all have great objective control. The rest of their kits don't matter if you can rotate to Baron 15 seconds faster as a team.
You guys have no idea what you are talking about :^|.
: Poor {{champion:13}} knows about this, his ult was too useful for LC$ bigplay$ so he got gutted, now hes at a 40ish% winrate in solo Q and is nonexistent in pro play.
It wasn't his ult it was literally everything else, and he was ridiculous in high elo.
: Janna at a 55% winrate and 20% pickrate even after Ardent Nerfs
Stop talking about my main before me and my other janna main friends downvote ur post, zzzz. Its just the meta btw.
: Hidden tankiness: Why Squishies are so hard to kill
The thing is barely anyone builds those items. Squishies are so hard to kill because Support items make them tanks lol.
: Jesus the amount of sustain, lifesteal, random heals, lifesteal, and lifesteal
Lets just ignore {{item:3504}} {{item:3174}} {{item:3401}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3107}} . Grr adcs are so strong, not supports tho, just the meta btw Cx.
: Remember when ADCs were building lethality and supports weren't so heavily tied to enabling ADCS
Remember when supports only had locket/face and adcs weren't impossible to kill. Good times.
: > [{quoted}](name=UrZedM8,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LWRPVuFB,comment-id=000100030006,timestamp=2017-08-23T19:59:28.061+0000) > >which really does nothing unless you are dumb enough to stand near his shadow. You mean like a minion? The buff lets him E the wave twice from a distance. Unfortunately E does shit for damage to minions unless you put points in it or buy high amounts of pure AD.
There isn't even a point in using shadow e on the wave unless you can last hit. You are legit wasting energy. You will just end up not having enough energy to q the minions when they get low and falling further behind.
: Supports are much stronger than they were two seasons ago
Meanwhile everyone on the boards is complaining about Adcs. S u p p o r t s a r e f i n e i t s j u s t t h e m e t a x d.
: According to Phreak's math in his patch notes, the attack speed does next to nothing for him. He gets +1% damage output every 100 auto attacks, big whoop. The actual buff is to the shadow because it gives him an extra spell cast, which was the reason this spell got nerfed to begin with. He was oppressive in lane because you had to watch the shadow for 2 Qs coming from it, now we get those 2 Qs again. Such fun to play against.
The fact that people are upvoting this is tilting me. Zed could never q twice in lane an he still cant. Now he can e twice without cdr, which really does nothing unless you are dumb enough to stand near his shadow.
: You could already do that. From my very little experience playing Zed I remember if you cast E right away on W then you could E again at the end.
They nerfed the cd during the assassin rework so u have to have cdr to cast it twice. But on the flip side you can e like 3 times later.
: Zed is a perfectly fine champion. The problem is - he offers nothing to a team other than poke and assassination power. He has no CC - no pick ability - and whats worse - he can't even kill the ADC late game.
He doesn't even offer poke out of lane lol. And gl assassinating people in this meta.
: i'm curious about his +0.5 sec on W, and +0.05 base as will impact him considering this is a buff targeted for world, how will pro do better on a champion that gets destroyed before lvl 3, depends on enemy adc game, and whose burst can be easily negated by supports
It will probably do nothing. He will be picked 1 time in worlds, be unable to snowball or be of any use, then promptly not be picked again. That has been Zed for awhile now.
Escheton (EUW)
: They shouldn't even need it.
Yes in a world with 2k shields assassins should not need cdr. They should somehow be able to function with one combo.
: I'm sick of all the janna and lulu hate
> [{quoted}](name=parrot6632,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tAGcp6kN,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-21T14:51:34.156+0000) > > Playing an enchanter support does NOT mean > -I'm brainless > -I have no skill xD! Good one.
: Put a adc out by himself against any kind of burst champion 1v1, they die.
If you are alone as an adc you are actually terrible. You stay with your support and never die because of all the bullshit items and abilities they have to keep you alive.
: Ryze is the exception because he scales with mana. However, Karthus and Anivia are no exception. There is a reason why it is common for them to skip Tear and go directly for RoA.
Anivia still kills people with just mana items lol.
: More like: "You can't talk with an immovable wall." You are so blinded that you think the only valid opinion is yours. I would try to stop being that way, because that's how extremists are as well.
I mean you can say all you want, but you still aren't stating any facts on why I'm wrong. You are basically describing yourself here. I am open minded, but you are just completely wrong here lol.
: It's pointless. You're delusional.....
Ah the classic "I can't prove you wrong because you are right, so I'm just gonna say you're delusional and act like im right." Turns out you are a silver mage player. I guess I should've checked earlier, would've saved us both time.
: Basically everyone once you initiate an exchange. You trade your behavior from the actual critical strategic part of the brain, to your subconscious repetitive portion of the brain. Once you start a fight, people just go through the same practiced motions. Yes, to some degree this should happen, but I don't think it should be happening beyond the universal portions of the game, things like moving and CD tracking.
Going through the same practiced motions has to do more with the champ though. Idk man I'm not really getting your argument.
: Where the fuck have you been? The assassin update literally gave assassins waveclear because "fuck our old idea of them having kill pressure but no waveclear" just so they can roam more. LEBLANC GOT FREAKING RYZE'S WAVECLEAR!
Leblanc isn't an assassin. And there are still no assassins that can out shove mages except ekko.
Saïx (OCE)
: _**THEIR **_ midlaner
I know what you said. That just comes down to you not having vision or control over the single most important objective in the game. I was just preaching that it is the way it is because if someone goes bot while baron is up with no means of transportation, or another plan, you should just lose. There are really only 2 ways to lose baron currently. One is that you are way too far behind to contest it. Second is you have no wards or control over the strongest buff in the game, and in that sense you deserve to lose. On a side note what was the enemy team in that game you are complaining about?
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