Ralanr (NA)
: I would like to talk about the new perceived morality of Kayle and Morgana (Morg too good).
With what is happening in Demacia... Where do you think they will fall? Morgana is no longer just rebellion, so it's not like she'll immediately side with Sylas. What's also funny is, if Kayle is aligned with Demacian standards with what's going on...Sylas will be punished. Morgana, on the otherhand would try to reason with Sylas cause of the pain he felt. The fear, all of it. But...would she actually agree? Or would she just sympathize but still seek for him to stop? Both Kayle and Morgana has lines for Sylas and they appear to be in agreement that he is wrong in some manner, but while Kayle would baptize him, Morg may just try to convince him otherwise which...honestly will fail. Sylas is so far at the moment that he will refuse Morgana and try to use her magic to further his gain. **Note: I think Sylas is one of those people where his morality got grayed super hard by the Recruit story he had. Everyone says Demacia is evil now but kind of ignored the fact that the one guy who seems good now in contrast...dismissed and emotionally disowned a child of his kind (mage) cause he won't kill. And the moment the child did kill (even though the noble seems bigotted enough), Sylas praised the murder and was overjoyed with the killing. It wasn't a "This...is a heavy toll that must be done. One noble at a time." No. It was full on "REVENGE! YES! THEY WILL PAY FOR THEIR TREATMENT OF ME AND THE REST!" Even though he spoke to the kid as if that's the case, Sylas's inner joy spoke...differently.
IVIoon (NA)
: Opinion: We should have the option to hide exact champ mastery in the loading screen.
Wrong forum. Mate. Wrong forum, but I agree with you. I am not that high as I only have roughly 400k mastery, but I am one of those people who check the points to figure out who I might be able to rely on or judge what would be an easier fight. At the very least, it'll keep people from seeing...a 721 mastery point ally and abandoning them. A 1.5 mil ally and put all carry responsibility on them (I'm Poppy, how am I suppose to be the main carry?) A 1.5 enemy and say "We need to snuff them now Or a 721 enemy and go "Lol, stomp the guy and take the turret now". Unless it's meant to be part of "pre-game planning" I think it should be optional.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=4uk0PJml,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-19T21:52:22.442+0000) > > Do we have access to her VO yet or are you just referring to the teaser? why would the teaser not be her VO? come on dude.
> [{quoted}](name=ChristmasEvelynn,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=4uk0PJml,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-19T22:00:29.524+0000) > > why would the teaser not be her VO? come on dude. He means the VO video not a snippet of potentially immature bickering between two sisters. Example: Galio and Aatrox have a good number of lines that show some sort of joke or immaturity. They also have a good number of lines that shows deep contemplative thought and seriousness. Neither of those deeper voice lines are things people immediately respond to since they look for the bad before the good (most the time) So yeah. he's asking for VO video not trailer.
: > [{quoted}](name=Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0IEctYqf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-19T20:04:40.698+0000) > > As we've said many times - "good" and "evil" are relative, and we're not aiming for such 2-dimensional tropes anymore. You still NEED two dimensional tropes as frames of reference for your world. That's where the narrative has been falling short. Someone like Lissandra? She should have been left two dimensionally evil, like she's always been. Someone like Kalista? She works being ambiguous and sympathetic to a degree. The only instances you have of two dimensionally evil characters are characters with beastly urges like the demons and the void. You've written away all of your characters who are sadistically evil because they CHOOSE to be. The reverse also holds true. You've smeared all of your good characters with horrible personality flaws, given nearly all of the cheery characters dark blots on their past. There are no more pure good characters in this game. To understand the gray characters in the game, WE NEED two dimensional trope characters. We need the light and the dark to compare the grays to, to get a better scope of their personalities. We need characters we love to hate because they're that horrible, and we need characters with no redeeming qualities. In that same vein, we need Mary Sues, and characters who have nothing but great qualities, so we can love them, and so they can be pure points of hope and light for the world. But filling the world with gray characters just fills it with mediocrity. Even major stories like Harry Potter have characters that operate the pure ends of the spectrum - Bellatrix LeStrange is about as heartless and irredeemable as they come, and a lot of people hate her, but a lot of people also love how fucking evil she is. On the flip side, we have characters like Professor McGonogall, who are steadfast forces of good, and do all in their power to mold Harry and his friends into good people. I can't think of any bad quality about her, and it makes her a much beloved character in her own right, despite being fairly one dimensional. You can write characters at both ends and still have them be entertaining characters, but you're hung up so very much on exterminating the extremes altogether. Don't do this. You have a really prime opportunity coming up with Mordekaiser, and I hope for the love of everything he's as irredeemably evil as he has been. _I don't want to feel sympathy, pity, or any warm feelings at all for Mordekaiser at any part of his life._ I want to hate him for being a wicked person. I want to love him for being consumed by evil and cruelty. That's what makes villains so fun - their wickedness, not the fact that you relate to them. So keep this in mind going forward. Keep the two dimensional extremes, even make a few. The story needs them, so don't erase or ignore them.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0IEctYqf,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2019-02-19T20:33:29.502+0000) > You know, when it comes to Mordekaiser, when they say "Not aiming for the tropes" what I'm thinking isn't that they WON'T make him evil or they are going to make him sympathetic or what not. I truly believe he will be some sort of psychotic and probably bad news as a human being from the offset. I think it'll be more in line with any form of "charisma" he may have when it comes to intimidation or how he made things occur. With that being said, I think they'll look at it more as "Is he a Hero? or a villain?" When creating a character to roleplay or what have you, you need to ask yourself "Is he a hero? Yes or no?" The hero will go out of their way to help someone or take on a challenge because someone is indanger or theirs a cause. If you are not a hero, you act for your own sake. Whether you do good or not is irrelevant as the first question to figure out is, "If there's a quest giver begging for help. Will your character seek to help them, ignore them, or take advantage?" The hero will help. The others will do either two, and I'm damned sure Mordo will do the latter.
: Ok, then why **once again** the angelic figure gets dehumanized and goes into a zealous rampage while the "dark character" gets to be the more human like again? You did good on 2 dimensional stuff with Kayle making her just a zealot. I'm pretty tired of these "it's relative" answer because it approaches only half of the issue. You guys are making the hard work to make even Darkin relatable while making any "holy" figure detached by anything human-like and what is usually defined as good morals in order to turn them into zealous rampaging fire breathers that want to eradicate the mortals because they are impure. Edit: I wanted to add a good example of Riot writing that offers non 2-dimentional characters who actually offer a relative look on good and evil: Jayce and Viktor. Those 2 are well done because have fallacies and virtues that create a good contrast without making one of them entirely a good/bad guy. This means that you are able to do it, it just looks like you **don't want** to do it when certain factions/creatures are involved.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0IEctYqf,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-19T20:14:00.673+0000) > > Ok, then why **once again** the angelic figure gets dehumanized and goes into a zealous rampage while the "dark character" gets to be the more human like again? You did good on 2 dimensional stuff with Kayle making her just a zealot. The thing is, light can be blinding, and Kayle took her "justice" to an extreme measure. Not only that, but the one thing to keep in mind was that angels were never "human" to begin with as they always had an air of distance. And if you think about the light and dark when it comes to humanity, I want you to really take a moment and look at where we are on the spectrum as a race. if a being of darkness and a being of light approaches, we all know what we SHOULD theoretically say. "The light." But when it comes to people in emotional turmoil, angsty teenagers, or any random sarcastic internet troll will tell you: "We gravitate towards the dark." So for "The Light" to be the super good in our minds, the dark would have to be stereotypical evil damnation. And Netflix still have to tell people that TED BUNDY IS NOT A SEXUAL ICON! He's a serial killer. ___ That, and if you want to wash any of that away, we can always look at it as an "Era of Times." If you think about comics in the 50s, it was so black and white with "Good is Good" and "Evil is Evil" that there is no confusion. For this era of writing, it's possible that this writing isn't actually "better" but more servicable of the collective consciousness of morality and what is considered good or evil. Or simply "good writing vs bad writing." Afterall, we still have people who hates anything with super heroes cussing, even if it would have made sense for their personality. We all know how much a person can swear in a typical day let alone hour long conversation. Just one swear word, and hell breaks loose.
: I'd actually be okay with this. Looks way, WAY better than what is currently set to ship.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5I9pbavB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-19T07:53:09.914+0000) > > I'd actually be okay with this. > > Looks way, WAY better than what is currently set to ship. What sucks is the reason for the purple is honestly to be a contrast to Morganna who has gold as trimming for her. Cause let's face it, if we set those two side by side and actually look for "compare contrast", wings, skin tone, primary color, and trim all seem to align with it. And that's not even getting into anything else like their lines or actual movements. But still. once again, red visually is more appealing.
Kelg (NA)
: these obviously arent the splashes come on guys
> [{quoted}](name=Kelg,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=oqqEH0Hv,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-18T19:09:52.597+0000) > > these obviously arent the splashes come on guys I believe it is a shared splash (like Xayah Rakan) and when they do "individual splash" it'll obviously be cut down the middle to show the individual champions.
Jikker (NA)
: I hope that they explain in lore because it doesn't seem like she's a "fallen" angel anymore -- two sisters from the aspect of justice that only the guilty have to fear. That seems a bit weird like they're almost the same goal but different methods. If she did lose her "upper" wings, I want that explanation otherwise it seems a weird/poor design choice.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=a8mEAw3A,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-18T17:53:50.353+0000) > > I hope that they explain in lore because it doesn't seem like she's a "fallen" angel anymore -- two sisters from the aspect of justice that only the guilty have to fear. That seems a bit weird like they're almost the same goal but different methods. If she did lose her "upper" wings, I want that explanation otherwise it seems a weird/poor design choice. Well, there's the idea that if both of them are "Lawful" one is Lawful good and the other Lawful evil Other than that, The heavenly one has wings on her upper half (shoulders). The terrestrial one has wings on her lower half (hips) It might be poor execution to some, but I believe it's a contrast of appearances as they do need to have a different "silhouettes" And while their silhouettes wouldn't be 100% the same, it would be awfully similar for two to come out at the same times with that similar of a shadow.
zaire90 (NA)
: Which stories showed Sylas and Illaoi before they appeared in game cause i dont know which stories mentioned them before they were revealed. And to clarify do you mean they were mentioned in other peoples stories before they were announced as champions or they got little short stories as teasers before they were revealed
> [{quoted}](name=zaire90,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=eXsNATh7,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-03T08:52:14.121+0000) > > Which stories showed Sylas and Illaoi before they appeared in game cause i dont know which stories mentioned them before they were revealed. And to clarify do you mean they were mentioned in other peoples stories before they were announced as champions or they got little short stories as teasers before they were revealed Demacian Heart is Sylas. Illaoi had one of those "spoilers" or leaks about her before she was able to do her "story" appearance. That should be during the Burning Tides event. It's the second part during the Harrowing. Before she was revealed as the champion, she was just a priestess with a bunch of followers about her. Also, her and GP use to have sexy times together.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=OnFA28Nc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-24T23:07:46.545+0000) > > And then you remember that he's playing Ezreal support Or Pyke or Sona or Taric or Lulu or... Let's just say it's a Rakan or something.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=OnFA28Nc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-24T23:38:39.054+0000) > > Or Pyke or Sona or Taric or Lulu or... > > Let's just say it's a Rakan or something. *cries in OTP*{{champion:497}}
: You mean the taric who let his squad get devoured by Void monsters because he was too busy looking at the beauty of caves instead of keeping watch? He indirectly killed his squad he was suppose to be leader of and this was after so many other transgression where he kept getting demoted by given another chance
> [{quoted}](name=Motonari Mori,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HNAVlAAE,comment-id=0005000200010000,timestamp=2018-12-29T04:46:05.057+0000) > > You mean the taric who let his squad get devoured by Void monsters because he was too busy looking at the beauty of caves instead of keeping watch? He indirectly killed his squad he was suppose to be leader of and this was after so many other transgression where he kept getting demoted by given another chance Honestly, as "dickish" as the punishment is. I consider "exile" to be a mercy since the only other reasonable choice for such transgressions is just to execute him or hold him prisoner indefinitely. XD At least exile means 'live a life somewhere else"
  Rioter Comments
: Wait correct me if I’m wrong because I’m confused what you’re trying to say- but are you saying that Riot shouldn’t give her a girlfriend because then straight guys can’t fantasize about being with her? Because a single line about her having a girl friend back home isn’t in your face or SJW or anything. I mean Xayah/Rakan’s entire character is the girlfriend/boyfriend champions but I never see people say that’s too in anyone’s fave.
> [{quoted}](name=MegaLobunny,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=M9Hdli4z,comment-id=0006000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-22T23:08:18.433+0000) > > Wait correct me if I’m wrong because I’m confused what you’re trying to say- but are you saying that Riot shouldn’t give her a girlfriend because then straight guys can’t fantasize about being with her? Because a single line about her having a girl friend back home isn’t in your face or SJW or anything. I mean Xayah/Rakan’s entire character is the girlfriend/boyfriend champions but I never see people say that’s too in anyone’s fave. 1.) You're wrong 2.) Plenty of people have problems with Xayah and Rakan's PDA 3.) I don't give a damn about straight male fantasies. There's a difference between "I'm gay" and "I AM GAY". The difference is that one just notes it as a fact. The other will throw it in everybody's face cause that is how they are. The best non-sexual example I can make is a Liberal vs. Conservative. There's a difference between "Yeah. I think women should be allowed to make their own choices and whatnot" vs... "FUCK YOU FOR THINKING YOU CAN TELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT! THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL AND THEY CAN ABORT IF THEY CHOOSE!" One is calm about it. The other is so huge that it blares at to the point of being obnoxious. Neeko is not obnoxious. Neeko is good. I like Neeko.
: > [{quoted}](name=Morîarty ,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y43seMpE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-20T16:25:13.813+0000) > > Unless I've been interpreting his lines and some of those outfits wrong.... What about his lines or outfits mean he must be gay? Before you answer, note that not every man who takes care of his appearance is gay. Also note that Taric's obsession with beauty is due to Riot taking the "Taric long hair so beautiful" meme, amplifying it, and rolling it into the official lore with the rework. Because that's so much more interesting than a gem knight (from a land so distant that no one in Runeterra even knew about gem magic) being mysteriously transported to Runeterra. Oh, and the "Protector" used to have a _shield_.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=y43seMpE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-11-20T18:08:38.516+0000) > > What about his lines or outfits mean he must be gay? Before you answer, note that not every man who takes care of his appearance is gay. Also note that Taric's obsession with beauty is due to Riot taking the "Taric long hair so beautiful" meme, amplifying it, and rolling it into the official lore with the rework. Because that's so much more interesting than a gem knight (from a land so distant that no one in Runeterra even knew about gem magic) being mysteriously transported to Runeterra. Oh, and the "Protector" used to have a _shield_. Want to know something funnier. As a guy who has a MALE friend that worked as a stripper. He can confirm that even though they dance for women round the clock at the club, a good 3/4 of the male workers are gay. They act overly masculine, saddle up on the female clientelle and do the usual "work". But at the end when it's time to go they, "Flame on" and it's as if they weren't just eating some fish taco less than 5 minutes ago. Appearance isn't everything.
: What do you mean by non mentally? Do you mean the players sexualities her or the character herself? I’m pretty sure could get sexualized without being confirmed a lesbian so I’m confused. Oh I didn’t mean I wanted Riot to turn her into THE LESBIAN. I just meant a single line her lore of having a girl friend or something like that would be nice.
> [{quoted}](name=MegaLobunny,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=M9Hdli4z,comment-id=00060000000000020000,timestamp=2018-11-20T15:35:55.525+0000) > > What do you mean by non mentally? Do you mean the players sexualities her or the character herself? I’m pretty sure could get sexualized without being confirmed a lesbian so I’m confused. > > Oh I didn’t mean I wanted Riot to turn her into THE LESBIAN. I just meant a single line her lore of having a girl friend or something like that would be nice. I guess the best example I can give would be Miss Fortune lore wise. You know how her being the ditzy babe is part of a ruse she does? Imagine that being her official mindset where everything in her head is a pick up line or mentally leads to a specific direction. Yeah, it's just a performance to trick people and get waht she wants, but if the brain only cares about what it is sexually, you get people that only care about that end of their identity. For straight people (typically male) it's an inscrupulous self-indulged need to flirt and see how far they can get with a female as if that is all that matters. And when it comes to gay guys (I am talking from the perspective of a metro-sexual who befriended a 18 yr old homosexual coworker), if they identity is based purely around them being gay (cause their is a difference between "I'm gay" and "I *AM* gay". But yeah. A single line or subtle nod, even if you can tell by typical demeanor or responses like she does now is fine. And I feel that due to how volatile people like to get with "SJW" and things of that nature, literally tacking on the matter of fact tone of, "Well, yeah, duh," is way better than saying straight out, "She has a girlfriend" or "shuns men" in an overt text. Mostly for a champion. For minor characters like the boy Janna comforted or the War Mason(whose name I can never remember), it works more easily cause it never registers as "in your face" since the character in an of itself isn't the whole product. Neeko is the whole product. Do...you get what I mean? I am not the best at being "concise"
: > [{quoted}](name=100greenmen,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=M9Hdli4z,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-11-20T04:32:07.148+0000) > > Well, I understand most of this, however, my concerns were purely with the way it was done. As I think if it were done improperly, it could reflect poorly on the communities that do value representation. And I'd argue that most depictions of queer characters are not portrayed in a negative light so much as they used to be. I know you're well meaning but please don't use queer as an umbrella term. It's a slur that's still being used violently today and it's reclamation is deeply personal and can only be done on an individual level, not as a group. Using it as an umbrella term makes assumptions about people's reclamation and often forces a slur on those who don't want it. For reference, I'm both bi and trans and am deeply uncomfortable with being called that, especially as an umbrella term because I know plenty of others who share my sentiments. As for Neeko, her being confirmed is great. The only way this could have been done better is if the announcement was more public instead of a tweet that would have gone completely unnoticed if others didn't share it. EDIT SAW HER WONDERFUL VOICE LINES ALL SHE NEEDS IS A CONFIRMED GF Also while a discussion is well meaning, more often than not, wording it like that often ends up with a bunch of non LGBT people saying that confirming her identity is "unnecessary" and an annoyance that takes away from her character. Which is super disheartening, especially considering these same people don't say these same things when predatory caricatures are confirmed to be LGBT. Discussion can be good but it's difficult to have when instead of discussing how to improve it people often use the topic to discuss how to take it away.
> [{quoted}](name=MegaLobunny,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=M9Hdli4z,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2018-11-20T04:50:57.662+0000) > > As for Neeko, her being confirmed is great. The only way this could have been done better is if the announcement was more public instead of a tweet that would have gone completely unnoticed if others didn't share it. EDIT SAW HER WONDERFUL VOICE LINES ALL SHE NEEDS IS A CONFIRMED GF I personally think that it being tossed in a psuedo callous or "oh and fyi, I guess" is probably better overall. The reason why is that it was stated like a random tidbit someone would say to redirect someone or just randomly mention. If Rito openly said in forum with her description as such, then she would be advertised as THE LESBIAN which would make the sexuality of a non-mentally hypersexualized character...well, yeah. I think the way it was mentioned helped keep it from inciting a knee-jerk response. And when it comes to the internet, a knee-jerk response will decide the overall tone more than one that has been properly discerned from observation for a good long while.
: Can we just take a moment and appreciate these incredible skins
Honestly, it would be interesting if Elderwood had interactions with Coven as I can see this being the darker side of the fantasy.
: Apparent "leaks" about Riot's upcoming plans for champs and skins
What I don't like is just HOW MANY PEOPLE are in that "Insurgents" skin line. That is WAY too many to drop at once. Especially for one skinline. I can see 4-5 skins, sure but not 6-10
: I was genuinely worried you'd make Veigar edgy, like what happened to Zac
Honestly, edgy is what you make of it. If his parents were alive, then "YAY! NONE EDGINESS!" Congrats. His parents will be under siege every Saturday morning cause a certain Chem-baron knows they still live in Zaun. Why don't they just leave Zaun!?!?!? Then, Zac...won't be in Zaun. And now people will be like "Wait, why are you taking Zac out of Zaun?" But...the parents just letting this happen would be...bad writing. Killing his parents suck ass, sure but...they were a legitimate loose end that had their own dillemas that wouldn't be easily solved by just saying, "Do whatever you want kid." Cause, unlike Ekko, they weren't absentee parents.
Lyxx (NA)
: K/DA Ahri Should Have Been For Another Champion
K/DA has a song called "Oh My God" and it features Ahri. So what we have in Odyssey canon (because it is the Odyssey universe that shows Kayne's favorite song being OMG) is that Ahri is a pop star, and she decided to make a guess appearance and feature in another group's song. So, at the very least, they have a "story"-esque explanation on why Ahri got two skins that is centered around music (I say music and not popstar cause both skins have two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TONES)
: I think this is a hint to a K/DA album
Oh, and best part is, it seems like Ahri may actually still be "popstar" but has a guest appearance and is only in that skin to match the music video.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Does anyone expect dramatic changes for Morgana's dress?
I find dresses hit or miss. Sometimes the difference in a dress being over-sexualized vs classy is all the body type. Some people will look at a petite female in a dress and say it's classy. Find a woman with more curvature in the same dress and design, and all of a sudden she's a harlot. Just saying. Regardless of Morgana's body type, I say to make sure that the dress isn't something that's slim fit. I rather not hear people complaining about OS as if they aren't demeaning the damned champ themselves. Who here remember the fiasco that took place cause someone's jimmies got rustled at the fact that Kayle's "new" splash art was her descending with a bottom-up perspective.
: Why didn't Jax get physically or mentally affected by the literal void opening in Icathia?
Odd. I thought Jax had slight amnesia. Like, poor memory. I might have to reread it again, but Jax was challenging Demacians upon a bridge to fight a threat, but he could barely remember or recognize himself. (correct me if I'm wrong)
: Meme
A better delivery would be "When you see enemy pick Kai'sa"
Jeddy017 (NA)
: I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Riot based this skinline on a K-pop group. A member of that group chose Ahri or something. I assume the same applies to the other champs. Of course, I could be wrong though. But it's the only reason that makes sense & prevents the existence of this from being baffling as shit. Don't get me wrong, it's still baffling to a degree. This is essential Pop star Ahri 2.0.
> [{quoted}](name=N1C Jeddy017,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=wyNVfdgw,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-10T00:15:37.982+0000) > > I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Riot based this skinline on a K-pop group. A member of that group chose Ahri or something. I assume the same applies to the other champs. > > Of course, I could be wrong though. But it's the only reason that makes sense & prevents the existence of this from being baffling as shit. > Don't get me wrong, it's still baffling to a degree. This is essential Pop star Ahri 2.0. 1.) It is True 2.) There are 2 problems with the skin that makes people freak 2a.) It is Ahri (AUGH! Ahri got another skin!) 2b.) Oh! It's a pop star! She already has one! I know I sound condenscending, but I just want to get the ground of my perspective. When it comes to visual looks, K/DA and Popstar Ahri look different enough where, if it wasn't for the fact that we knew that one is "K-pop" and the other was based SPECIFICALLY off a real life K-pop group, we could have easily have seen it as "One is the 80s and 1 is from 2010". You know. It's a musical genre difference. Would I get K/DA Ahri? No. Why? Cause I don't buy Ahri skins; however, I don't think the skin choice is bad. Especially since it's not based off the same "tone". Everyone is saying "it's popstar" yeah, great. But Popstar is upbeat like Taylor Swift's "Shake it off" while K/DA looks like she's about to do the Korean version of Beyonce's "Formation" Also, if you don't know either of those songs then, let me think maybe old school Fall Out Boy / Panic at the Disco being compared to Slipknot? They're both rockbands, but...
: Dragon Trainer Kled: Kled is the Crazed Dragon atop a cowardly yordle. Let's argue
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ExtRBs8c,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-27T20:32:52.229+0000) > > Dragon Trainer Kled: > > Kled is the Crazed Dragon atop a cowardly yordle. > > Let's argue I see no fault in your logic. Long live the Terror of Zaun! Rider of Yordles
Sukishoo (NA)
: But that's not the point. The point is if it's stilled called popstar then she will have two skins with the same name and same theme
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mwRPhbVf,comment-id=0004000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-27T17:30:16.069+0000) > > But that's not the point. The point is if it's stilled called popstar then she will have two skins with the same name and same theme She's a pop star. Who is to say she didn't leave one group for another and rebranded herself from kawaii heart throb to femme fatale badass? Like, if they're all called "Black Pink" then at the very least, if they're in teh same universe, that would be a logical story progression.
: Probably because 1) Worlds is in S. Korea this year, 2) S. Korea has a highly dedicated and skilled League playerbase (and at least two Worlds championship winners are S. Korean teams), 3) K-Pop stars are practically idols in S. Korea So if they're getting a relatively popular K-Pop group to perform at Worlds, taking place in S. Korea, surrounded by both highly skilled players and hardcore fans...it makes sense to milk it for all its worth and cater a skin line directly to the time and place. In this case, the skins are most obviously aimed at Koreans and K-Pop fans. The real question is how they're going to handle Ahri, who's original Popstar skin was based on another K-Pop group, Girls Generation. Does she really need TWO Popstar skins, and are the two separate or same skin-universe? If anything, simply making a second skin along the same skinline for the same champion is the most confusing part. It's like if Riot decided to make a second Star Guardian Lux, it just...doesn't make sense...because it's already been done...?
> [{quoted}](name=Le Kaikai,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Jo5MJuFL,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-25T21:18:18.504+0000) > The real question is how they're going to handle Ahri, who's original Popstar skin was based on another K-Pop group, Girls Generation. Does she really need TWO Popstar skins, and are the two separate or same skin-universe? If anything, simply making a second skin along the same skinline for the same champion is the most confusing part. It's like if Riot decided to make a second Star Guardian Lux, it just...doesn't make sense...because it's already been done...? Obviously Ahri decided to join a new group as she evolves in her musical career. She went from fun-loving pop to now a more adult and dark tone with the rest of the BlackPink skin. It's official. The cute and fun-loving Ahri we knew is now rebranding herself as the "Bad girl"
: My only regret is that I couldn't fit in _all_ of them.
> [{quoted}](name=Carnival Knights,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IRYndrzr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-26T21:55:15.614+0000) > > My only regret is that I couldn't fit in _all_ of them. Hey, Knight! So Ultimates are meant to test the limit of the engine for League and what you can fit in. I am assuming this is a play test to see just how heavily you guys can dissect and code "if (skin_line_a), then"
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Valaran Nara,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AjJPQzK,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2018-09-11T16:47:43.524+0000) > > Know what, Vi would definitely work. I feel like it'd be slightly more "grunge" or "diesel". You know? like focus on the mechanics slightly? > > But yeah. I think of all other choices, Vi probably would have been the only one that'd work. She wouldn't be stupid fun, but I can see her slapping the top of a nuke. "This thing right here can ionize an entire space flee--" > > "Is that thing...beeping" > > Vi: "...Shi--" Exactly , Honestly Vi would even fit way much more than Jinx to be honest .
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AjJPQzK,comment-id=001100000000,timestamp=2018-09-11T17:04:56.328+0000) > > Exactly , Honestly Vi would even fit way much more than Jinx to be honest . Yeah. Jinx just makes it a "pop" misfit thing. Regardless of that. While I'm not up in arms with the choices, Yasuo is the only one that feels out of place. Like, anybody could have been captain. He was just the favored pick for god knows why. Maybe because Graves would have been too much Machismo? But yeah. Graves Captain, Vi Mechanic(pilot) Malphite would still be alien. Though, that means everyone on board has the "gruff beat'em down" exterior
: As a Jinx hater ( for my own reasons which is my opinion ) You are right, but there is one other champion that fits extremely well too , VI .
> [{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AjJPQzK,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-09-11T11:55:15.598+0000) > > As a Jinx hater ( for my own reasons which is my opinion ) > You are right, but there is one other champion that fits extremely well too , VI . Know what, Vi would definitely work. I feel like it'd be slightly more "grunge" or "diesel". You know? like focus on the mechanics slightly? But yeah. I think of all other choices, Vi probably would have been the only one that'd work. She wouldn't be stupid fun, but I can see her slapping the top of a nuke. "This thing right here can ionize an entire space flee--" "Is that thing...beeping" Vi: "...Shi--"
: {{champion:18}} {{champion:142}}
> [{quoted}](name=GrReaper96,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AjJPQzK,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2018-09-11T01:32:37.377+0000) > > {{champion:18}} {{champion:142}} Human female. Tristana is a Yordle (will be an alien like Ziggs) Do you REALLY want to hear the complaints of Zoe getting two skins in the same physical year with only 2 months seperating the two? That, and Zoe would be the fun loving 10-12 yr old. Which would make a slight difference as she's being cared for by the team not the actual pilot.
: ezreal? maybe? he sounds pretty fun also lux but no one wants or needs another lux skin so im glad that didnt happen lol
> [{quoted}](name=Hells bellsX,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8AjJPQzK,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-09-11T04:13:03.556+0000) > > ezreal? maybe? he sounds pretty fun > also lux but no one wants or needs another lux skin so im glad that didnt happen lol Human female. That, and remember that Ezreal is also one of the "HE HAS TOO MANY SKINS" champions. That's why they have so many. Lux, Ez, and Jinx are "light" or at the very least can be made to appear so more easily than most. That and in all honesty, that would make Sona the only female in the skinline, and I feel like the overall character balance would be skewed. You know what I mean?
: IMO the whole Odyssey theme just wouldn't have worked without Jinx
Jinx is the only human female who is fun loving and mischevious. As many skins as she has, the problem is how unique her personality is compared to all other humans. It shines to the point that she is always the best pick for fun loving antics. Yasuo could have been reolaced by Graves and it would remain the same. Remove Jinx and there would only be one possible replacement. Nunu and Willum0 but the balance of the team would get skewed due to Willum0 taking Mal's place.
: Is anyone a little surprised that Kayn is getting a Legendary?
Honestly, I feel like Yasuo was put in there as Captain more for the sake of Popularity than Jinx. Yeah, Jinx is popular, but I think she's the only human they have that's super fun-loving crazy. Zoe is recent, but she's like, young child with the fun loving. Lulu would have to be an alien, and she got a skin already a few months ago. And you know, people will go up in arms if Lux was to get a skin.
: Ehh, I feel like only Kayn was truly using a Fifth Element character design, while Jinx merely makes an homage with the orange hair and eye color.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Yom0wWMc,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-10T15:58:29.481+0000) > > Ehh, I feel like only Kayn was truly using a Fifth Element character design, while Jinx merely makes an homage with the orange hair and eye color. Actually, Jinx is Gaige from Borderlands https://orig00.deviantart.net/5890/f/2015/120/d/f/gaige_the_mechromancer__borderlands_2__by_lagunis-d8qg409.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smeO__OSPg
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: I understand that you like Jinx and feel like they finally made a skin for you but look... Objectively, There so many champions that are being quite neglected and Jinx getting so many skins is just ridiculous... WORST THING? Adcs are out this season and yet they literally keep making skins for them,especially the ones who already get a lot...
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P7Xknh0a,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-10T13:07:28.085+0000) > > I understand that you like Jinx and feel like they finally made a skin for you but look... > Objectively, There so many champions that are being quite neglected and Jinx getting so many skins is just ridiculous... > WORST THING? Adcs are out this season and yet they literally keep making skins for them,especially the ones who already get a lot... So, ignoring the fact it's Jinx The skin for an ADC could have been in production before the fall of ADCs in lane. If hat's the case, I doubt any ADC skin they ahd planned will just get tossed to the side purely due to not being flavor of the patch. Especially when they planned for other champ skins (who haven't gotten any recently). While I'm not too fond of Yasuo (not from hate or him having too many skins) the main reason I accept Jinx is due to the fact that the crew might have a slightly different tone. She's the one with the fun-loving antics. I personally would have prefered Graves as captain purely due to him being the badass, but I'm assuming Malphite took the role of big guy (and non-human alien). I don't see many other champs that could properly take Jinx's role that will make the crew seem..."goofy" or at least fun-loving.
: Other Space skinlines that could share the same universe with Odyssey
Lawd, if Riot decides to pull all of those together, it'd be a mess. I only say a mess due to Super Galaxy and Odyssey having that odd interaction with them both existing together. But I suppose that's my own personal taste.
: I honestly saw Overwatch and Borderlands before either of these.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Yom0wWMc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-09-10T15:28:34.524+0000) > > I honestly saw Overwatch and Borderlands before either of these. Overwatch because of 3D models. Borderlands due to style and feel Fifth Element for character designs. Loll
: Mixed feelings on this new Odyssey series so far...
The only reason I'm cool with Jinx in this skinline (and I'm going based on how it is set up) is because she's the only one that makes the team feel...fun or at least "we're ragtag misfits that get into shenanigans". I feel like most other champs (human) will not be "shenanigans". TF or Graves, while that may be cool, won't be shenanigans. Graves would be a bad ass and TF would be that suave card shark. You can try to promote it as such, but they don't havethe same innate personalities for the misadventures Jinx has. Only reason. Otherwise, she's just there. Yasuo...feels like he's there just to be there. AS in, yeah, he's captain. Yeah, he's meant to be the calm guy. But, you can have graves who is the solid badass. (note, I never play Graves, so this isn't favoritism). Malphite hasn't had a new skin for a while, and even if he did, people don't think of Malphite as the guy with skins. He was due for something somewhat flashy, and to round out an intergalactic group, you need an alien. He is that alien. Sona and Kayn, I'm mixing them together becasue as of right now, Sona and Kayn has been without skins for a while. ESPECIALLY Kayn as this is his first skin AFTER release. Sona and Kayn were most likely added due to the lack of skins they acquired in recent time. Sona most likely someone who was recently rescued by the Oddysey and Kayn being a dark conqueror or what have you looking for the woman he was going to force to be his bride (Sona) Ziggs...I haven't seen him.
Zapzya (OCE)
: I have a couple. In no particular order: 1. Irelia and Akali - similar ideals I think, could be interesting 2. Caitlyn and Vi - we've never seen the partners together on a full mission 3. Leona and Diana - what happens when they finally meet 4. Lux and Galio - I want Galio to be her best friend/ big brother (besides Garen) 5. Swain and Draven/ Darius/ Leblanc - Swain's relation to the brothers seems cool, and what's up with him and LB? 6. Yi and Wukong - I don't know why I love these two so much, they're just fun 7. Xayah and Rakan - I wanna see Rakan make Xayah less edgy so I feel more justified in liking her 8. Swain and Alyssa val-Lokan - I love this character so much, please just let her keep being relevant. Swain's apprentice, loyal follower, idc, just bring her back please
> [{quoted}](name=Zapzya,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hrxrAhZZ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-09T03:16:51.915+0000) I feel like Rakan can make her less edgy or at the very least more soft (her since of humor will remain the same), but I feel that part of the edge is her staying fast to her convictions and ideals. Note, if you watch their cinematic, her convictions were strong enough to where, even if she was to lose Rakan or walk in towards her death, she was going to let it end and just...die for the cause. Rakan didn't matter. Her life doesn't matter. Only her mission. So, if he does lessen her edge, it's because he convinced her there's more to life than what she's already fighting for, and the man made his cause to help in hers. So...
: Sorry but on a second thought, jinx has a diff tattoo than the resistance icon which is this, https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_WB8bo8zmow/WpXxe_rxRUI/AAAAAAAA6GQ/ISfweCPepKk-MIiId3b6WGVo6olRJiiFgCLcBGAs/s1600/3375.jpg Plus, I don't think this is connected to the cyberpop skinline because its too mechanical and not modern futuristic pop/
> [{quoted}](name=JonnyBoyy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KpE2hj1n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-09T15:36:50.403+0000) > > Sorry but on a second thought, jinx has a diff tattoo than the resistance icon which is this, > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_WB8bo8zmow/WpXxe_rxRUI/AAAAAAAA6GQ/ISfweCPepKk-MIiId3b6WGVo6olRJiiFgCLcBGAs/s1600/3375.jpg > > Plus, I don't think this is connected to the cyberpop skinline because its too mechanical and not modern futuristic pop/ Aw, there it goes. So, think the Nunu bot thing is right? I was thinking of Overwatch purely because. Then it went from OW to..."Big Hero 6". I feel like this would be one of the times where the Jinx fantasy is her not being "psychotic" but just a more "normal" girl...who works on big ass robots. Lol. She does have to be somewhat mechanical and tech savvy to fashion the weapons she has, right? That, and either she was working on a broadcast to talk to another or maybe that was a robot looking back at her. But if it's broadcast...think she's the one that's hosting the battle royale? The stuff Nunu is doing feels like it's underground but a very POPULAR, only illegal cause adults SUCK, battle between bots.
: I love how vivid the colors are especially the green eyes and orange hair. The accessories and outfit seem pretty cool too. I'm guessing it's the same line as the zoe skin Cyper-Pop or maybe something new idk
> [{quoted}](name=Poldy Scarecrow,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KpE2hj1n,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-09T15:32:02.993+0000) > > I love how vivid the colors are especially the green eyes and orange hair. The accessories and outfit seem pretty cool too. I'm guessing it's the same line as the zoe skin Cyper-Pop or maybe something new idk The only reason I won't say cyber pop is because, while that would be fun (and I think one of the more requested skin choices) The colors doesn't really lead me to think that. Like, the only thing that looks cyber for her is the arm, and even then. It looks sleek, but industrial sleek. You know what I mean? Like, if Vi's own gauntlets were properly smoothed off and rounded.
: Looks like resistance jinx to me tbh... for reference, illaoi's skin and the once robot but resisted agenda. plus look at her left braided hair, it has a wire and her left hand is mechanical. Plus the resistance symbol looks like her tattoo. PS: maybe nunu bot,sad robot amumu and the resistance skins are in the same universe + battlecast
> [{quoted}](name=JonnyBoyy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KpE2hj1n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-09T15:14:20.864+0000) > > Looks like resistance jinx to me tbh... for reference, illaoi's skin and the once robot but resisted agenda. plus look at her left braided hair, it has a wire and her left hand is mechanical. Plus the resistance symbol looks like her tattoo. > > PS: maybe nunu bot,sad robot amumu and the resistance skins are in the same universe + battlecast Resistance sounds like a good thought. It could be it. The only thing that makes me slightly back away from it is mostly the lights in the background. That's not to say that the Resistance wouldn't have those lights. But with them being stringed, it makes me think of a more festive or at the very least "relax" showing. But what is the resistance symbol? Can you show reference for me? I didn't know they actually had one. **EDIT** Actually, not even going to bother with that tattoo. If we go based off of personality alone. Yeah. Reistance all the way. She'd be working with Cait, lol. But still. Jinx is the type of person who, if put in the situation, will make the most of it and smile the entire way.
: New Teaser Post
My bet is that it's a Jinx skin in the "Nunu Bot" universe. She has orange as well as a prosthetic arm. She's also operating on something that is able to view her. Maybe she helped Nunu create Willump
Rioter Comments
: An Interesting Note About The Ezreal VGU
I feel that Ezreal's lore will be...expanded. As in, most of it will be the same but we will get background details or what he is doing at current. This isn't to say most people will accept the lore expansion. While Ez isn't necessarily one of said champs, there are a few who don't like knowing the hidden motivations or past of champions. Expanding, while it's not rewriting, could still cause problems with a few people since it didn't quite fit headcanon.
: High Noon Lucian OST.mp4
You know, I'm not offended since it is a 70s film and things were just...ugh back then. But, like...you know. If you have to explain yourself on how it's not racist: Either your audience is volatile, or what you're showing/doing shouldn't be presented period.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: Something readers don't give enough attention about the Watchers...
I feel that this was actually Lissandra's doing. She took power from the Watchers and was planning to release them to attain such power. But she realized how bad of an idea it is. The rift that got closed, the cold that occurred as they were frozen in time...that was Lissandra using true ice to put them into cryogenic sleep
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