: Yorick is embarrassingly bad and the fact they keep nerfing him is just insane to me lmao The "bug fix" he got last just adding yet another nerf to champion no one plays because it's horribly underpowered.
> [{quoted}](name=MorgManBasher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OLI81ILq,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-12-15T11:10:42.055+0000) > > Yorick is embarrassingly bad and the fact they keep nerfing him is just insane to me lmao > The "bug fix" he got last just adding yet another nerf to champion no one plays because it's horribly underpowered. That was under the hood nerf, they know that and they wanted that to happen.
Ceazaru (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=sup3rweenyhutjr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:37:47.800+0000) > > It's better to buff unused champs than to nerf the more viable ones. Besides ALL ADC's were nerfed to hell not too long ago you got what you wanted. Tell that to Yorick. A champion that barely played is non-existent in pro play. Literally was nerfed as soon as got some pro play time.
> [{quoted}](name=Ceazaru,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=00000004,timestamp=2018-12-15T00:37:40.608+0000) > > Tell that to Yorick. A champion that barely played is non-existent in pro play. Literally was nerfed as soon as got some pro play time. Sames goes for {{champion:62}} once both of them saw a pro play, everyone went crazy and riot just gutted them to ground.
: How about we lower every champions damage by 10. Thats a good start {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
> [{quoted}](name=DeracadaVenom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2018-12-14T15:33:58.991+0000) > > How about we lower every champions damage by 10. Thats a good start {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Rather nerfing them with -5 movement speed.
: see , i personaly dont mind many changes which people address as bad , but i dont like to be matched with or against people who statistically proven themselves as ones who dont belong to the certain skill level at all
> [{quoted}](name=PieceOf MyHeart,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T13:42:13.934+0000) > > see , i personaly dont mind many changes which people address as bad , but i dont like to be matched with or against people who statistically proven themselves as ones who dont belong to the certain skill level at all I mean as top laner my self, i make sure to win my lane hard and put my laner to 0-7-0 score atleast while owning the lane hard yet he get carried cause he got a better jungler and ADC or MID while i lose game cause i can't carry against a 4 good players with my worst 4 players. This game isn't fair and LP gain system sucks, it reward you for winning a game and not on your performance in a solo queue. You will gain that sweet 20LP no matter what you did or if your KDA is pure negative just because you got carried, in matter of fact getting D or S doesn't matter much if you win and got carried while a enemy team member who worked hard to get his beautiful S after performing so well will lose 20LP just cause he didn't have a good team to back him up. League isn't a skilled game no matter what people say, league is a game of RNG of having 3 atleast decent players with brain and knowing what they do.
: Sejuani buffs? what sejuani buffs. Are they giving her normal defenses for at least an adc if not a mage instead of saying she has super strong defenses for 2 seconds with no way to reset it in fight and super long cooldown outside of fights. so she cant have good defenses.
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-15T00:16:44.295+0000) > > Sejuani buffs? what sejuani buffs. Are they giving her normal defenses for at least an adc if not a mage instead of saying she has super strong defenses for 2 seconds with no way to reset it in fight and super long cooldown outside of fights. so she cant have good defenses. Yah just check pbe notes and they giving her a t, yes
: You got a problem with me mate? https://i.imgur.com/3kMv7ZU.gif[/img]
> [{quoted}](name=Zoe the Trap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5idE8Y9m,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-14T23:54:21.851+0000) > > You got a problem with me mate? > > https://i.imgur.com/3kMv7ZU.gif[/img] Yes!
Kaisha (NA)
: I don't understand, who's even watching this crap? Talk about boring, I'd rather watch golf...
> [{quoted}](name=Kaisha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:59:40.198+0000) > > I don't understand, who's even watching this crap? Talk about boring, I'd rather watch golf... Ask that community, pros match are boring to watch and i never liked them.
crazÿ (EUW)
: new dark harvest its for mages idk why dark harvest with assassin runes {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=crazÿ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5idE8Y9m,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-14T20:52:14.359+0000) > > new dark harvest its for mages idk why dark harvest with assassin runes > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Balance team xD
Rioter Comments
: Why not instead buffing Nasus Q..give him 3armor+3mr.And +1mr/armor scaling through leveling Same goes for vayne.She have TON OF DMG now.Buff her health/mr/armor. Stop giving every singe fking champion just damage. I miss teamfights in the days.5v5...not this this.
> [{quoted}](name=OnajKojiTrci,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-12-14T19:39:22.674+0000) > > Why not instead buffing Nasus Q..give him 3armor+3mr.And +1mr/armor scaling through leveling > Same goes for vayne.She have TON OF DMG now.Buff her health/mr/armor. > Stop giving every singe fking champion just damage. > I miss teamfights in the days.5v5...not this this. I miss seeing old picks viable over that one shot monster we got {{champion:518}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:238}}
: wait...just stop for a second... maybe chinese people just have faster brains ... did i just solve the mystery...
> [{quoted}](name=PieceOf MyHeart,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:19:25.843+0000) > > wait...just stop for a second... maybe chinese people just have faster brains ... did i just solve the mystery... Nope, Chinese people tend to like MMORPG that is p2w and they love mostly a one shot combos.
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:55:30.724+0000) > > That what called nerf was hitting the crit ADC which getting buffed right now, it never touched lucain or jhin or mf Jhin is a crit adc btw
> [{quoted}](name=RokiVulovic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:37:43.844+0000) > > Jhin is a crit adc btw All of adc are crit based, there some who can just burst damage instead of making damage over time.
Aseraan (EUW)
: Im just doing positive reinforcments.
> [{quoted}](name=Aseraan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T18:24:58.310+0000) > > Im just doing positive reinforcments. My bad, it just i see people still defending Jhin, lucain and daruis which tilting me
: Tone the damage DOWN. No matter how hard we are yelling...riot dont give a fuk to their playerbase. This isn't a nasus problem.He is immobile,and in this high burst mobiliti meta he have no space under the sun.
> [{quoted}](name=OnajKojiTrci,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-12-14T14:40:59.936+0000) > > Tone the damage DOWN. > No matter how hard we are yelling...riot dont give a fuk to their playerbase. > This isn't a nasus problem.He is immobile,and in this high burst mobiliti meta he have no space under the sun. They think his problem is the damage and not his kit, sames goes for the adc and other stuff.
: Everyone: _"pls nerf damage everyone is just one shotting everyone else its not fun"_ R10T: ***chanting*** _ "POWER-CREEP-CREEP-CREEP-CREEP-CRE-!"_
> [{quoted}](name=A Good KhaZix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-12-14T05:52:11.363+0000) > > Everyone: _"pls nerf damage everyone is just one shotting everyone else its not fun"_ > > R10T: ***chanting*** _ "POWER-CREEP-CREEP-CREEP-CREEP-CRE-!"_ That made me laugh xD
Aseraan (EUW)
: I wonder why is that HMMM maybe some other champs have very bynary and broken kits when they have overtuned numbers over other champs whit simple "do one thing" skills........
> [{quoted}](name=Aseraan,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T08:47:09.273+0000) > > I wonder why is that HMMM maybe some other champs have very bynary and broken kits when they have overtuned numbers over other champs whit simple "do one thing" skills........ And that what i'm saying, stop buffing damage and fix kits over that.
Sydney26 (EUW)
: the nasus buff is so small ... u wont feel any difference but this buff wont change the real problem nasus has
> [{quoted}](name=Sydney26,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-12-14T13:11:31.998+0000) > > the nasus buff is so small ... u wont feel any difference but this buff wont change the real problem nasus has that is the problem, they buffing damage over fixing kits
: i think the rest of the summoners, cept tp and ghost are balanced. ghost too weak, and tp too meh
> [{quoted}](name=SpongebobIsLife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T03:14:45.263+0000) > > i think the rest of the summoners, cept tp and ghost are balanced. ghost too weak, and tp too meh Teleport was nerfed for pro plays, just like {{champion:113}} who got gutted and now getting buffed up slowly.
: i go on the boards and only see posts like this and some how Riot still isnt listening
> [{quoted}](name=BrightWîngs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:52:06.843+0000) > > i go on the boards and only see posts like this and some how Riot still isnt listening Cause they don't want league match to last long, they don't want to balance stuff, they want to make pro plays about who team got better one shotting combo and CC. They care about money right now over game balance, they care about how to make pro play easy to watch, faster and more enjoyable while the worst part of that the community itself don't agree with balance yet they keep watching the pros over and over feeding them the views which goes with their agenda.
: So what your saying is... if I want bruisers to be META all we have to do is get ONE of them to be busted?... That would be nice... Having more than a handful of bruisers to play....
> [{quoted}](name=Mokuto Bunshi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=00000005,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:39:59.861+0000) > > So what your saying is... if I want bruisers to be META all we have to do is get ONE of them to be busted?... > > That would be nice... Having more than a handful of bruisers to play.... it that easy
: im not saying it's balanced, but let's not act like exhaust wasn't broken
> [{quoted}](name=SpongebobIsLife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T02:44:48.867+0000) > > im not saying it's balanced, but let's not act like exhaust wasn't broken I know that nothing is balanced right now anyway.
: i mean exh before was really really broken....was an offensive and defensive summoner.
> [{quoted}](name=SpongebobIsLife,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-14T01:51:38.788+0000) > > i mean exh before was really really broken....was an offensive and defensive summoner. And ignite now eat around 25% of your hp.
: can't get one shotted if you one shot them first :^))))
> [{quoted}](name=Zone of Endless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-14T01:37:08.539+0000) > > can't get one shotted if you one shot them first :^)))) Best logic ever ? right ? Special for game that count toward skills and now it turn into more of any classic MMORPG where you got high damage to kill 20 people first.
Saevum (NA)
: They nerfed {{summoner:3}} but they never nerfed {{summoner:14}} which is the summoner counterpart. they're doing tthe same with the champion pool.
> [{quoted}](name=Saevum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-14T00:47:39.958+0000) > > They nerfed {{summoner:3}} but they never nerfed {{summoner:14}} which is the summoner counterpart. > > they're doing tthe same with the champion pool. That is always true.
Nea104 (EUW)
: As we all knew. Same staff from Season 8, same results :/
> [{quoted}](name=Nea104,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-14T01:02:50.208+0000) > > As we all knew. > Same staff from Season 8, same results :/ people say it earlyyyyyyyyyyyyy cause we pre-season, people never learn like balance team
saltran (EUW)
: Wait are we crying about {{champion:122}} now, exactly why ?
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-13T19:34:00.724+0000) > > Wait are we crying about {{champion:122}} now, exactly why ? Cause he is the reason that many top laners are trash level, cause they can't make half of what he can make while he can take over lane easily.
: riot buffs the non viable picks to be able to compete with busted picks. that way, everyone can be OP! and once everyone is OP, *no one will be* https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disneyvillains/images/8/86/PDVD_093.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120411225350
> [{quoted}](name=Snapp2Kill,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-13T23:24:14.947+0000) > > riot buffs the non viable picks to be able to compete with busted picks. that way, everyone can be OP! > and once everyone is OP, > > *no one will be* > > https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disneyvillains/images/8/86/PDVD_093.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20120411225350 And cycle is going on cause one of that buffs going to make one of them top the others.
saltran (EUW)
: Wait are we crying about {{champion:122}} now, exactly why ?
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-13T19:34:00.724+0000) > > Wait are we crying about {{champion:122}} now, exactly why ? Cause be is the reason most of top laners are trash level
: It's better to buff unused champs than to nerf the more viable ones. Besides ALL ADC's were nerfed to hell not too long ago you got what you wanted.
> [{quoted}](name=sup3rweenyhutjr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z0M8AE1A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:37:47.800+0000) > > It's better to buff unused champs than to nerf the more viable ones. Besides ALL ADC's were nerfed to hell not too long ago you got what you wanted. That what called nerf was hitting the crit ADC which getting buffed right now, it never touched lucain or jhin or mf
Eedat (NA)
: But Lucian and Darius aren't broken right now. Sure Lucian has high relative numbers but in an actual game he's not out of line
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:12:45.226+0000) > > But Lucian and Darius aren't broken right now. Sure Lucian has high relative numbers but in an actual game he's not out of line Aren't broken, how cute you saying that.
: What does that even mean? the champion is out performing many other champions, therefore he is the definition of overpowered. He needs to be nerfed down.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tbj3s1en,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-13T17:21:40.928+0000) > > What does that even mean? the champion is out performing many other champions, therefore he is the definition of overpowered. He needs to be nerfed down. ^
Rioter Comments
: Sooo, a champ with 53% win rate AND 35% pick rate isn't broken...
Riot balance team logic is simple, if something is broken we buff other stuff to be broken too. That why there no balance hope from them, that why damage is growing badly in game cause for example {{champion:122}} doing amazing as top laner let's buff {{champion:75}} damage with his stacks. {{champion:236}} doing well and better than adc, let's buff all adc damage and kits. Same goes over and over.
Rioter Comments
: The biggest problem with League.
I mean compare vi to camile , volibear to daruis, etc that is better comparison
Top Deck (EUW)
: Yorick dosent need buffs. Have you ever tried Grasp on him? I am more suprised that they buff singed. Nasus is just big stat stick at this point and Riot dosent even know about E max Nasus that pretty much stomps his counters like teemo etc. Riot is just out of touch of the game balance lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Top Deck,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vs1G1qIE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-12T20:35:01.400+0000) > > Yorick dosent need buffs. Have you ever tried Grasp on him? I am more suprised that they buff singed. Nasus is just big stat stick at this point and Riot dosent even know about E max Nasus that pretty much stomps his counters like teemo etc. Riot is just out of touch of the game balance lol. I did try him with grasp many times, doesn't worth it if your team goes on feeding streak cause you want to scale early as possible you need conquer And for singed, they nerfed him for a reason and now they buffing him how lovely.
: Some mana cost reductions and scaling on his Q's heal? Doesn't sound like a lot to ask for.
> [{quoted}](name=oortoomeebreesuu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vs1G1qIE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-12T11:57:23.121+0000) > > Some mana cost reductions and scaling on his Q's heal? Doesn't sound like a lot to ask for. Atleast make him do something without his passive or R, he is forced to be in lane stuck to his R.
: My only issue when playing against Neeko is that she has too much easy-mode on her root since it passes through minions. There's no breathing room or ducking behind minions lie you do with similar heroes (Lux, Morgana). Against Neeko you have to be constantly moving because she can get you anywhere, and I don't think that should stay in effect.
> [{quoted}](name=Strawberrycocoa,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLmkfXz3,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-12T18:07:21.112+0000) > > My only issue when playing against Neeko is that she has too much easy-mode on her root since it passes through minions. There's no breathing room or ducking behind minions lie you do with similar heroes (Lux, Morgana). Against Neeko you have to be constantly moving because she can get you anywhere, and I don't think that should stay in effect. I mean Zyra root is aoe and can through stuff but atleast it much much slower than Neeko one.
: Don't ever recall a new champion having a low ban rate in their first couple weeks, heck pyke has a 51% ban rate right now and he's been out for a while now. I think he is the bigger problem. Neeko's ban rate is already starting to fall off and at this rate will be lower then pyke's/akali's by the end of the week.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLmkfXz3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-12T15:29:07.924+0000) > > Don't ever recall a new champion having a low ban rate in their first couple weeks, heck pyke has a 51% ban rate right now and he's been out for a while now. I think he is the bigger problem. Neeko's ban rate is already starting to fall off and at this rate will be lower then pyke's/akali's by the end of the week. You and me ,we both shall see what happen by the end of the week.
: Look, I was one of the people who were the loudest when we saw her on PBE. Undodgable is far from true. Even her ult, overloaded as it may be, has some counterplay in that it roots her before the damage goes off. She needs a reduction in her absurd base damages, but that's about it.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLmkfXz3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-12T13:35:55.799+0000) > > Look, I was one of the people who were the loudest when we saw her on PBE. Undodgable is far from true. Even her ult, overloaded as it may be, has some counterplay in that it roots her before the damage goes off. > > She needs a reduction in her absurd base damages, but that's about it. Trust me , her aor root is teice faster than zyra root so take lrgit immobile championship and you will see yourself eating that combo easily special early in game when you have no boots. But yes a nerf to her damage would fix that but riot not planning on that so far so let's enjoy her 70% banned rate
: like honestly I am just bored of the champion and would rather play against other shit at this point
> [{quoted}](name=disregardable,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLmkfXz3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-12-12T07:23:33.629+0000) > > like honestly I am just bored of the champion and would rather play against other shit at this point That is true she is boring to play against too, she throw root that is way faster than zyra root and still aoe while just pushing her q on you
OmensDad (NA)
: What rank are you?
> [{quoted}](name=OmensDad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hLmkfXz3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-12T06:57:16.570+0000) > > What rank are you? I think you can search it ? xD Plat 5
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Are you serious with these Nasus buffs?
I mean they letting {{champion:240}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:266}} running over people in top lane if they don't get jungler help so why not make {{champion:75}} the same problem to deal with and impossible to stop unless you get help from jungler
: Why should someone get banned if they get countered and lose lane? Why should you not get in trouble for leaving your team over the first 15 minutes of the game? You win some you lose some. You can communicate with your jg and encourage them to help you if even/ahead, which you can then take into the other lanes to catch them up. Cass is immobile, so request a gank and let her push you in. You have ignite, predator Hercarim, and a long range execute, which you can definitely take advantage of. Winning from a lost laning phase is far from impossible, UNLESS you of course decide to be toxic and go afk. Doing those things makes the game unfair for your allies, even if their fight already doesn’t look too good.
> [{quoted}](name=Lemonfaace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ANhIBNlf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-11T19:06:40.678+0000) > > Why should someone get banned if they get countered and lose lane? Why should you not get in trouble for leaving your team over the first 15 minutes of the game? > > You win some you lose some. You can communicate with your jg and encourage them to help you if even/ahead, which you can then take into the other lanes to catch them up. Cass is immobile, so request a gank and let her push you in. You have ignite, predator Hercarim, and a long range execute, which you can definitely take advantage of. > > Winning from a lost laning phase is far from impossible, UNLESS you of course decide to be toxic and go afk. Doing those things makes the game unfair for your allies, even if there fight already doesn’t look too good. They counter themself, two games our mid laner see either {{champion:245}} or {{champion:157}} and they decide {{champion:1}} and {{champion:101}} are good picks somehow so you hope they main them atleast but ofcourse not. it not about getting counter, i would understand if he got counter but nah he who locked that. And it not about losing or winning, it about losing games more than normal cause i get stuck in cycle of 3 to 5 games where i get people that do the same thing over and over. Legit that 2 games i went ACE according to op.gg so nothing else there i could do when jungle, mid and adc are just losing hard and i wish it was one game but nah 2 games in streak same thing and ofcourse after them i get in the other side where my team stomp the other team. That not fun skilled game anymore, it about who got the better players on their side. And i didn't; say banned them, i said atleast make their KDA Count tower their LP gaining or losing so they can be stuck into the elothey belong to without being heavy weight on someone or get carried for no reason.
Rioter Comments
: To be honest I think the way to fix Jax is to keep his damage the same but add a small delay to his E stun so that it can be outplayed. The way he can stun on demand means it's just way too easy for him to all in, because if you flash out of his E, he can flash on you and stun, with the small delay there'd be an opportunity to flash the stun to get away, but he can still flash after you before the end of the delay if he's quick enough, in that scenario. If you have flash advantage it also means something. It also means he can't do his short trade of Q auto W E and walk away for free, because he could be run down as there would be less fear of being stunned in his minion wave. It's the same reason Galio's flash taunt is so OP because it's on demand and there's little counterplay.
> [{quoted}](name=BigBrainSuppMain,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dj50TYMh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-11T05:36:05.324+0000) > > To be honest I think the way to fix Jax is to keep his damage the same but add a small delay to his E stun so that it can be outplayed. The way he can stun on demand means it's just way too easy for him to all in, because if you flash out of his E, he can flash on you and stun, with the small delay there'd be an opportunity to flash the stun to get away, but he can still flash after you before the end of the delay if he's quick enough, in that scenario. If you have flash advantage it also means something. > > It also means he can't do his short trade of Q auto W E and walk away for free, because he could be run down as there would be less fear of being stunned in his minion wave. > > It's the same reason Galio's flash taunt is so OP because it's on demand and there's little counterplay. Yah that is true but still i would prefer if he can't do anything during his counterstick aside from his q jump maybe cause it unfair to be able to damage you while he just freely ignore everything
: {{champion:24}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} Why play immobile melee when these guys can have their mobility cake and eat their durability/ damage 2
> [{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dj50TYMh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-11T05:23:53.778+0000) > > {{champion:24}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} > > Why play immobile melee when these guys can have their mobility cake and eat their durability/ damage 2 True
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