: Who would even downvote this. I don't understand why people just love making a game even longer just to be mad.
> [{quoted}](name=Louis CKs Weiner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qYHn4iPE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-19T14:29:12.563+0000) > > Who would even downvote this. > > I don't understand why people just love making a game even longer just to be mad. People who downvote this are the people who do such action, they want to learn champion so they take it into normal and fed to their hell then say no to surrender and hold 4 people against their will in losing game anyway. Such people don't want to get punished or banned for their action which force toxic inside game more, but again it riot if they want to stop toxic from exploded in game they should banned such players action.
Rioter Comments
: Jungle is 1v1ing you because red smite is too strong, not bloodrazer. It's exhaust + ignite combined into one item. It's dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=DaStruggIeEzreaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2yJZypK2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-19T02:38:25.678+0000) > > Jungle is 1v1ing you because red smite is too strong, not bloodrazer. It's exhaust + ignite combined into one item. It's dumb. But i mean other jungle items with red smite doesn't hurt that much, Maybe cause much of AA + 4% of hp here + bork bonus HP + rageblade make their damage super toxic ?
: its not OP by itself... but it synergizes with {{item:3124}} and {{item:3153}} which then make the user melt any target, squishy or tank
> [{quoted}](name=SwiftKitten88,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2yJZypK2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-19T02:33:38.187+0000) > > its not OP by itself... but it synergizes with {{item:3124}} and {{item:3153}} > > which then make the user melt any target, squishy or tank Well you get my point it just a gas added to fire, but mostly in aram that show as well when you face yi in aram with rageblade and bork it doesn't make his damage super toxic like in SR with bloodrazor. Glad to know that i'm not alone feeling that.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bojjwpdq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T21:03:23.437+0000) > > You are right they all get reward for that, but right now you know very well that Daruis, Garen and Nasus late game output of damage is the same out of damage of offensive illaoi and Urgot. > > Trundle can still build defensive right now and do his same job but his damage output right now it hold back by AD ratio, you know what i mean here right? illaoi and urgot have more effective range. i think thats a fair tradeoff. yorick is incredibly strong at split pushing and taking objectives with his maiden. coincidentally yorick and urgot beat garen, darius and nasus in lane. theyre much stronger. especially yorick.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bojjwpdq,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-19T00:06:56.777+0000) > > illaoi and urgot have more effective range. i think thats a fair tradeoff. > > yorick is incredibly strong at split pushing and taking objectives with his maiden. > > coincidentally yorick and urgot beat garen, darius and nasus in lane. theyre much stronger. especially yorick. I don't think urgot beat daruis in lane special pre-6. But that could be a good trade off but ti seem like garen is a problem cause he can just destroy squishy in less than rotation while being tanky.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=weaqKlgh,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-08-18T20:56:10.639+0000) > > {{champion:62}} got gutted to ground cause of that. 50.4% win rate. I call that balanced.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=weaqKlgh,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T23:14:19.623+0000) > > 50.4% win rate. > > I call that balanced. 50 on what role ? 44 on top role and 46 in jungle with 51 winrate in ninch pick as mid lane with 0.5 pickrate Get real.
Arthur1 (NA)
: What are your favorite champs to play? (fun-wise)
{{champion:6}} Power, Fear this are my weapons and cause the damn good feeling Ult. {{champion:83}} Dark theme and cool champion with amazing pentakill and archlight skins. {{champion:62}} He is the damn monkey king, dude. {{champion:420}} cause the outplays and cool games carry you can do
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: Darius is obnoxuous because when he uses Conqueror in lane the true damage duration lasts as long as the target is bleeding. Illaoi is onky annoying when she 1v5 ukts and uses stopwatch. Nothing nore, nothing less. Urgot is fine though, but can be annoying sometimes. Although bei g rewarded for building defences woukd be a problem with atmas and titanic hydra synergy.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bojjwpdq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-18T21:48:39.248+0000) > > Darius is obnoxuous because when he uses Conqueror in lane the true damage duration lasts as long as the target is bleeding. > Illaoi is onky annoying when she 1v5 ukts and uses stopwatch. Nothing nore, nothing less. > Urgot is fine though, but can be annoying sometimes. > Although bei g rewarded for building defences woukd be a problem with atmas and titanic hydra synergy. But you said yourself illaoi and urgot need to be in the battle of fight to put their damage that mean more offensive is rewarding for them special urgot that doesn't have sustain forcing him to build {{item:3812}} . While on other hand Garen, Daruis, Nasus can put them in middle of fight and survive with their tankies and inbuild sustain and able to put alot of damage for their defensive build not to mention it easier to disengage from fights while urgot and illaoi mostly all in for fight either die or win.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: Yes please! It should be made out of a {{item:1058}} and a {{item:1026}}, aka AP versions of {{item:1038}} and {{item:1037}}.
> [{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KuynwiNZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-18T21:30:16.708+0000) > > Yes please! It should be made out of a {{item:1058}} and a {{item:1026}}, aka AP versions of {{item:1038}} and {{item:1037}}. Yah agree
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-17T21:51:56.425+0000) > > How you can take them serious after giving wukong direct hard nerf in his kit while in same time they was planning to nerf runes hard, they didn't give him time to react to runes nerf and now they like opps we did make mistake by doing both nerfs together and now the garbage champion. {{champion:62}} got {{champion:113}}'d
> [{quoted}](name=Boulderox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-08-18T21:17:36.734+0000) > > {{champion:62}} got {{champion:113}}'d I just wish he was viable in lcs and pro plays even but nah he got {{champion:82}} 'd
: Deathcap scales with itself. IE does nothing on it's own but give overpriced AD.
> [{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KuynwiNZ,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T21:18:28.789+0000) > > Deathcap scales with itself. > > IE does nothing on it's own but give overpriced AD. Well true but the build path just feel annoying
: theyre all rewarded for building heavily into defense. especially health. illaoi has a % missing health heal, like darius. urgots shield scales with health yoricks ghouls and maiden scale with health the ideal juggernaut build is like one or two ad/health items, and then full on into health and resistances. for most of them its either {{item:3071}} or {{item:3078}} paired with either {{item:3053}} or {{item:3748}} the entire point of juggernauts is that theyre slow and tanky melee carries.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bojjwpdq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-18T20:58:24.790+0000) > > theyre all rewarded for building heavily into defense. especially health. > > illaoi has a % missing health heal, like darius. > urgots shield scales with health > yoricks ghouls and maiden scale with health > > the ideal juggernaut build is like one or two ad/health items, and then full on into health and resistances. > > for most of them its either {{item:3071}} or {{item:3078}} paired with either {{item:3053}} or {{item:3748}} > > the entire point of juggernauts is that theyre slow and tanky melee carries. You are right they all get reward for that, but right now you know very well that Daruis, Garen and Nasus late game output of damage is the same out of damage of offensive illaoi and Urgot. Trundle can still build defensive right now and do his same job but his damage output right now it hold back by AD ratio, you know what i mean here right?
ŽÊD (EUW)
: Isnt it better to nerf every champ then? sice every champ is broken in low elo
> [{quoted}](name=ŽÊD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=weaqKlgh,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-18T20:37:34.577+0000) > > Isnt it better to nerf every champ then? sice every champ is broken in low elo {{champion:62}} got gutted to ground cause of that.
Makadur (EUW)
: The statistics say otherwise...
> [{quoted}](name=Makadur,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=weaqKlgh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T20:50:21.621+0000) > > The statistics say otherwise... Dude please we all know that {{champion:23}} and {{champion:11}} is the hell of low elo cause no one know how to respond to them.
: You get an extra 40% ap, which is insane, it also scales a lot late game.
> [{quoted}](name=lightwolf1030,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KuynwiNZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-18T20:24:09.168+0000) > > You get an extra 40% ap, which is insane, it also scales a lot late game. And you get 10% true damage and double crit chance, so yah.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Tryndamere should be listed alongside Garen/Yorick for low MMR Nerf
Right, he stomp ;low elo like them should get nerfed too.
: Vlad is basically a Burst Mage Tank with sustain.
{{champion:50}} just the same really, idk why both of them allowed to go tanky and able to destroy squishy or go full ap and destroy bruisers while both of them got amazing lane phase special vlad.
Sunibee (NA)
: >Isn't PBE the ground of testing ? for balance?lmfao no? PBE is mainly for advertising new skins and catching bugs on new content before they hit live. Riot hardly ever uses it for balance because of how low quality PBE games are and the massive skill discrepancy between players. the only real way Riot gets to test balance is by just tossing stuff in and seeing how the playerbase adapts or evolves to it.
> [{quoted}](name=Sunibee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNQ3E8px,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-18T12:40:18.938+0000) > > for balance?lmfao no? > PBE is mainly for advertising new skins and catching bugs on new content before they hit live. > Riot hardly ever uses it for balance because of how low quality PBE games are and the massive skill discrepancy between players. > > the only real way Riot gets to test balance is by just tossing stuff in and seeing how the playerbase adapts or evolves to it. Bugs that mostly escape to live noneless lol
saltran (EUW)
: Jesus christ your monkey was broken for months and now will be weak 1 patch until he gets some compensations buffs, stop crying already. Other champs have been left in a worse spot for more time, is not that big deal.
> [{quoted}](name=saltran,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNQ3E8px,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-18T10:50:52.574+0000) > > Jesus christ your monkey was broken for months and now will be weak 1 patch until he gets some compensations buffs, stop crying already. > > Other champs have been left in a worse spot for more time, is not that big deal. Again i was talking about the whole idea of pbe, not the damn monkey for the love of god read the damn point over just flaming for a reason. And as for your point, yes he below the damn 45% winrate most of champions at worst reach 45% not dropping at the bottom of tier. And other champions atleast have a wave clear power or some damn jungle clear or early duel power but whatever.
: He deserves the nerfs
> [{quoted}](name=BogAnubis123,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNQ3E8px,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-18T11:30:24.905+0000) > > He deserves the nerfs Again you missing the point of my topic, so moving on.
: They were aware that Wukong is gonne be weak, but they'd rather have him in a bad spot for a patch and buff him accurately than buff him preemptively and potentially miss the target.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNQ3E8px,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-18T11:03:53.375+0000) > > They were aware that Wukong is gonne be weak, but they'd rather have him in a bad spot for a patch and buff him accurately than buff him preemptively and potentially miss the target. Or they could nerf him and add the buffs whatever they want to add. I just don't get it but whatever that balance team got problems honestly.
: PBE is a nice place to test for bugs, but due to the minimal playerbase compared to live servers it's not a good place to base balance changes on.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNQ3E8px,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-18T09:35:29.104+0000) > > PBE is a nice place to test for bugs, but due to the minimal playerbase compared to live servers it's not a good place to base balance changes on. But where is the game tester ? Sure there game tester and my question how they allow things to pass like that.
Rioter Comments
: It's called a displacement, and like every displacement (ex. Quinn's E) it does allow for Yasuo ult, just a very small time frame.
> [{quoted}](name=Get Ogre Here,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=e2wTEnMX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-18T00:15:39.486+0000) > > It's called a displacement, and like every displacement (ex. Quinn's E) it does allow for Yasuo ult, just a very small time frame. ^ That one of many reasons why people hate yas, cause he not rewarding high skills player more than random cc from teamate that do knockup
ReDPuNiSheR (EUNE)
: Kinda off topic but i think wuk needs some minor buffs to partly make up for huge nerfs (electro+q nerf)
> [{quoted}](name=ReDPuNiSheR,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ywj8Jm1O,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-17T23:34:40.462+0000) > > Kinda off topic but i think wuk needs some minor buffs to partly make up for huge nerfs (electro+q nerf) They themself said in the dev corner part they overnerfed him and if he stayed down, they going to give him some sort of buffs in sort of sustain or something. Welcome to balance team that can't wait for runes nerf before direct nerf champion.
: wukong is garbage design. he needs to be reworked. the iteration where he could eq from stealth and kill you was unhealthy, and he can probably still do that anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-08-18T02:22:06.515+0000) > > wukong is garbage design. he needs to be reworked. the iteration where he could eq from stealth and kill you was unhealthy, and he can probably still do that anyway. And we not asking for buff, we asking for mini rework or them waiting on runes nerfs first before direct nerf him
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:44:24.564+0000) > > Got to agree, like it clearly that 3champions just took over bot lane and give no space for scaling crit adc at all. I main Ashe and seeing Jhin, Draven and Mf everytime get boring.
> [{quoted}](name=Press Q Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:51:17.188+0000) > > I main Ashe and seeing Jhin, Draven and Mf everytime get boring. Yet they say adc sucks cause assassins and bruisers .
: wanna know a real counter? ban em
> [{quoted}](name=ned the kled,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:49:07.163+0000) > > wanna know a real counter? > > ban em So as adc main need to get 3 banned ? lol
S0kaX (EUNE)
: I really don't see why there are so many downvotes on this post yet no comments. How is this post wrong in any way? It only speaks the truth.
> [{quoted}](name=S0kaX,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:47:32.846+0000) > > I really don't see why there are so many downvotes on this post yet no comments. How is this post wrong in any way? It only speaks the truth. Cause it speak the truth cause people don't want to admit the problem, cause people enjoy the free elo. Any of that downvotes can't prove my theory wrong, right now adc get shutdown in their lane by this 3 champions cause not assassin lane against them neither there bruiser played at bot even.
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:21:15.502+0000) > > People downvote cause they don't want to accept the fact and yet they don't respond to say why they disagree even. Nothing to do, people whine about damage creep but as soon it concern the champion they play, even if he is in fault, they defend it to the end for the sake of freelo.
> [{quoted}](name=Press Q Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:41:54.687+0000) > > Nothing to do, people whine about damage creep but as soon it concern the champion they play, even if he is in fault, they defend it to the end for the sake of freelo. Got to agree, like it clearly that 3champions just took over bot lane and give no space for scaling crit adc at all.
: Sad but true.
> [{quoted}](name=Press Q Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jmmgvVfs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-17T22:10:29.212+0000) > > Sad but true. People downvote cause they don't want to accept the fact and yet they don't respond to say why they disagree even.
Rioter Comments
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: This is why I can't take the balance team seriously anymore
> [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-17T21:19:37.497+0000) > > Meddler thinks that Jhin is strong but doesn't need nerfs > > We returned to the insane favoritism that the balance team had years ago, which is also why Garen gets nerfed but Ahri doesn't. > > "uhu duhu, Jhin is getting more movement speed than intended with hail of blades" > oh really? then how about you fix it instead of letting this disgusting broken champion dominating soloq and bot lane for months? > > you legit introduced Stormrazor when everyone knew it was a bad idea > but instead of fixing it, you encouraged adcs to be pigeonholed into rushing it by reducing the cost to 2700. > If you don't rush it you automatically lose trades as an adc now, And then you FUCKED UP SO HARD ON ESSENCE REAVER, who went from a good item on spellcasters, to a good item only on Lucian and Renekton. I can't play Ashe anymore because of that AND the fact that she can't use stormrazor. > > And there is nothing done to fix it, we let Jhin Jinx Miss fortune sitting on 53% win rate all days all weeks because of {{item:3095}} and Jhin who happens to have the triple of everyone's pick rate doesn't get nerfed because of favoritism. > Lucian able to spam Q during lane? gut mana cost > Jhin? Hell no he's fine > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-17T21:19:37.497+0000) > > Meddler thinks that Jhin is strong but doesn't need nerfs > > We returned to the insane favoritism that the balance team had years ago, which is also why Garen gets nerfed but Ahri doesn't. > > "uhu duhu, Jhin is getting more movement speed than intended with hail of blades" > oh really? then how about you fix it instead of letting this disgusting broken champion dominating soloq and bot lane for months? > > you legit introduced Stormrazor when everyone knew it was a bad idea > but instead of fixing it, you encouraged adcs to be pigeonholed into rushing it by reducing the cost to 2700. > If you don't rush it you automatically lose trades as an adc now, And then you FUCKED UP SO HARD ON ESSENCE REAVER, who went from a good item on spellcasters, to a good item only on Lucian and Renekton. I can't play Ashe anymore because of that AND the fact that she can't use stormrazor. > > And there is nothing done to fix it, we let Jhin Jinx Miss fortune sitting on 53% win rate all days all weeks because of {{item:3095}} and Jhin who happens to have the triple of everyone's pick rate doesn't get nerfed because of favoritism. > Lucian able to spam Q during lane? gut mana cost > Jhin? Hell no he's fine > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} How you can take them serious after giving wukong direct hard nerf in his kit while in same time they was planning to nerf runes hard, they didn't give him time to react to runes nerf and now they like opps we did make mistake by doing both nerfs together and now he garbage champion.
: What does programming have to do with game design philosophy?
> [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zZU6J9pc,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-17T21:33:46.484+0000) > > What does programming have to do with game design philosophy? i was about to say the same, that is game design element not development part. My god that was beyond my mind thinking, people doesn't know the development part is the tech. part of putting the design idea to live. Gosh as game developer myself i got headache about that comment.
: How do you win a game as a jungler when your bot lane is feeding ?
Let me fix it to you "How do you win a game as a Jungler/Top/Mid" a bad bot lane is bad thing for the while team, cause it 2 people out of 5.
: That’s cool Edit- I’m not sure what you want to hear. I agree Tryn needs a rework. I disagree that he’s the unstoppable monster everyone and their little cousins make him seem to be. I read one dumbass comment earlier that said he was broken because of “nepotism”. Tryn needs a rework. Tryn is pretty easy to beat up top. I smack him around with Teemo, Jax, Panth, and Cho gath. It’s nice they haven’t forgotten about him. But he’s not the nightmare that haunts your dreams.
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ywj8Jm1O,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T18:53:19.259+0000) > > That’s cool > > Edit- I’m not sure what you want to hear. I agree Tryn needs a rework. I disagree that he’s the unstoppable monster everyone and their little cousins make him seem to be. I read one dumbass comment earlier that said he was broken because of “nepotism”. > > Tryn needs a rework. Tryn is pretty easy to beat up top. I smack him around with Teemo, Jax, Panth, and Cho gath. It’s nice they haven’t forgotten about him. But he’s not the nightmare that haunts your dreams. I didn't say he is the unstoppable monster but his design is just beyond annoying and disgusting to face. And in same time that doesn't mean i say he weak, he is pretty decent right now and i don't know why riot got a heat to buff him up for no reason.
: Oh yea?
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ywj8Jm1O,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T18:51:43.771+0000) > > Oh yea? OH yea what is the counter to true damage ? right that why tankers are dead unless they in premade pro play.
: It sounds like they are trying to bring AD Tryn in line with (or more preferable than) AP Tryn. But knee jerk reactions to dev talk are fine too.
> [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ywj8Jm1O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-17T18:35:11.195+0000) > > It sounds like they are trying to bring AD Tryn in line with (or more preferable than) AP Tryn. > > But knee jerk reactions to dev talk are fine too. Still no counterplay to him with all of the true damage he can get out for no reason
Rioter Comments
Zardo (NA)
: Where are you getting your numbers from? According to[ lolanalytics](https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/MonkeyKing/), he's still sitting at around a 50% winrate with only a slightly lower pickrate than last patch.
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-17T15:23:04.813+0000) > > Where are you getting your numbers from? According to[ lolanalytics](https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/MonkeyKing/), he's still sitting at around a 50% winrate with only a slightly lower pickrate than last patch. Op.gg he around 44 top and 46 jungle
Hayaishi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MyBackFlipFailed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T17:34:44.516+0000) > > So garen is unhealthy? Since he is binary Garen isn't binary though? Garen is useful even when he isn't ahead. Wukong is a walking ultimate if he isn't doing well, useless if he can't 100-0 the enemy backline.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T17:49:38.086+0000) > > Garen isn't binary though? Garen is useful even when he isn't ahead. > > Wukong is a walking ultimate if he isn't doing well, useless if he can't 100-0 the enemy backline. Garen right now before they going to be nerfed like wukong is healthy, wukong before nerfs when behind was useful. {{champion:23}} going to get buffs cause what ? right he is binary health champion ?
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T14:39:20.132+0000) > > {{champion:82}} picked top consider troll in many games, i got insult for picking him top. it kinda is though, in ranked without a support anyways, its basically int feeding he has no gap closer and hes a wave pusher, he will get camped very early before he can 1v2.
> [{quoted}](name=DancesWithFreelo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-17T18:00:01.702+0000) > > it kinda is though, in ranked without a support anyways, its basically int feeding he has no gap closer and hes a wave pusher, he will get camped very early before he can 1v2. It was normal but got to agree his kit is funny
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: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T14:39:20.132+0000) > > {{champion:82}} picked top consider troll in many games, i got insult for picking him top. According to whom? The low-read dregs that populate the solo queue? The problem with the 18-24 demographic is that they know everything. So you can't tell them otherwise. You just have to crush your lane and shut them up. I once went Maokai support and they bitched. Then the load screen came and they saw my M6 (then) and said "ok maybe" - I was watching the guys Twitch he linked - and then I murdered the opponents and they shut their mouths expect to say "Maokai is so busted." 1 game = total perspective change. That's how you have to do.
> [{quoted}](name=RookPusher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-17T14:55:17.539+0000) > > According to whom? The low-read dregs that populate the solo queue? The problem with the 18-24 demographic is that they know everything. So you can't tell them otherwise. You just have to crush your lane and shut them up. > > I once went Maokai support and they bitched. Then the load screen came and they saw my M6 (then) and said "ok maybe" - I was watching the guys Twitch he linked - and then I murdered the opponents and they shut their mouths expect to say "Maokai is so busted." > > 1 game = total perspective change. That's how you have to do. According to people, i don't really care lol i did play him that game and manage to win no matter what
: Anyone else feel like Duo games are just harder than Solo?
Same feeling since i stopped playing with duo and it seem like i win more ? It just weird
: Picking a champ is not trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=RookPusher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-08-17T14:32:40.082+0000) > > Picking a champ is not trolling. {{champion:82}} picked top consider troll in many games, i got insult for picking him top.
: At this point, picking Wukong is trolling
> [{quoted}](name=Wicked Jesterr,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JOYqQtF9,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-08-17T14:29:05.806+0000) > > You turned a healthy binary champ into complete garbage, and no I'm not talking about the champ's interaction with those fuckedup items {{item:3147}} {{item:3095}} > > Now Wukong on Toplane has the 3rd lowest win ratio, droped from 53% to 44% , and the 3rd lowest win ratio in the jungle as well with 46% > > {{champion:62}} has never been a bruiser, he has no sustain or reliable CC [except that 1 sec AOE knockup which is on a long CD]. his kit has no interacation with HP, has invisibility which he doesn't need and he only needs a decoy, and most importantly his passive is non-existent. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I'm not gonna ask for buffs cause that won't solve the problem, and not gonna ask for those 2 items to be removed cause that would be unfair for many champions. > > Just fucking rework Wukong already. > ty You know what made me sad, his pickrate didn't change meaning that huge drop in winrate came from his mains which sucks.
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