Rioter Comments
: As UberDanger Once Said "I Wish I Could Play 5 Computers At Once Because I Could Do Better Than These Idiots I'm Placed With"
> [{quoted}](name=Valor Above All,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-10-18T02:38:46.098+0000) > > As UberDanger Once Said "I Wish I Could Play 5 Computers At Once Because I Could Do Better Than These Idiots I'm Placed With" That is good one, xD
: Playing top Juggernaut is brutal when the entire rest of the team is behind. Everywhere you go you seem to be fighting an uphill battle. But if you are significantly ahead there's a trick to pulling your team back up with you. As a Yorick main, I've found the best way to help bring your team up to speed isn't to go jump in on the teamfights constantly. Through team numbers and cc alone you won't be able to bring your full weight. You just end up dead right beside them. But Juggernauts who crush top lane will require a minimum of two champs to stop. The top laner, who's too far behind to bring you down. And the jungler. If both of them can't stop you, which will happen as a juggernaut, they gotta bring a third. So split push. Bot or top lane doesn't matter. Your goal is to secure towers and pull away as many of them as you can. This gives your team the ability to both farm back up to game relevance, as well as picking teamfights in their favor. If two go to fight you, 3v4 for the rest of their team. Stall the game out. Even if your KDA starts to dip it buys your team time by forcing your opponents to give up map presence. They can't simply allow you to freely push unless they've a straight and unopposed shot towards your own objectives.
> [{quoted}](name=The Dreaded Wolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-18T00:25:51.745+0000) > > Playing top Juggernaut is brutal when the entire rest of the team is behind. Everywhere you go you seem to be fighting an uphill battle. But if you are significantly ahead there's a trick to pulling your team back up with you. > > As a Yorick main, I've found the best way to help bring your team up to speed isn't to go jump in on the teamfights constantly. Through team numbers and cc alone you won't be able to bring your full weight. You just end up dead right beside them. But Juggernauts who crush top lane will require a minimum of two champs to stop. The top laner, who's too far behind to bring you down. And the jungler. If both of them can't stop you, which will happen as a juggernaut, they gotta bring a third. > > So split push. Bot or top lane doesn't matter. Your goal is to secure towers and pull away as many of them as you can. This gives your team the ability to both farm back up to game relevance, as well as picking teamfights in their favor. If two go to fight you, 3v4 for the rest of their team. Stall the game out. Even if your KDA starts to dip it buys your team time by forcing your opponents to give up map presence. They can't simply allow you to freely push unless they've a straight and unopposed shot towards your own objectives. Worst part, all my top laners are juggernauts {{champion:6}} {{champion:83}} and {{champion:420}} So yah i understand what you talking about, they are hard to carry anything with unless your team had brain and wasn't feeding early giving you chance to scale.
: I dont get why they dont introduce the 1v1 mode they had a while ago. I dont remember exactly when, it was when i first started playing but it was fun, I think season 4 or 5
> [{quoted}](name=Lanakila Au,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-10-17T23:57:49.513+0000) > > I dont get why they dont introduce the 1v1 mode they had a while ago. I dont remember exactly when, it was when i first started playing but it was fun, I think season 4 or 5 Cause where you would show off that shinny skin you bought.
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:50:06.051+0000) > > Wish it break for you and get some wins :/ Only one so far...
> [{quoted}](name=Summonah12369,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T22:24:46.136+0000) > > Only one so far... :/
Andevar (NA)
: There's always something to do. You should replay your match and watch the mistakes you made or could've done. I assure you, if you put a Challenger player in the same game, he could carry the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Andevar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:58:55.943+0000) > > There's always something to do. You should replay your match and watch the mistakes you made or could've done. I assure you, if you put a Challenger player in the same game, he could carry the game. Sure a challenger could carry it, but trust me you didn't see how they lost in their lane and fed kills in that early 10 mins.
: Land a multiman fear with fear beyond death in a team fight and use it to win the fight and then baron. Your team comp was terrible literally everyone but MF picked someone that required more outplay to win than their opponent.
> [{quoted}](name=Full Brain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:47:39.044+0000) > > Land a multiman fear with fear beyond death in a team fight and use it to win the fight and then baron. Your team comp was terrible literally everyone but MF picked someone that required more outplay to win than their opponent. Problem is i didn't get to team fights, my mid was 0-4 in lane phase and my adc was 0-3 in lane phase plus lee was semi afk and didn't gank any lane at all.
: Are you the Urgot? Yea, its extremely tough to carry as a top lane juggernaut right now.
> [{quoted}](name=World King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:20:30.997+0000) > > Are you the Urgot? Yea, its extremely tough to carry as a top lane juggernaut right now. Sadly yes, unless you are amazing assassin or diver top laner that is fed you won't win easily or carry a win to other lanes.
Andevar (NA)
: A lot of this has to do with early mid game. If you manage a lead, you need to transfer it into the other lanes or shutdown their fed players.
> [{quoted}](name=Andevar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:22:18.195+0000) > > A lot of this has to do with early mid game. If you manage a lead, you need to transfer it into the other lanes or shutdown their fed players. i did manage a lead and i did manage to move tobot, to shut down both of their support and adc yet my mid was already 0-4 and my jungle was afk farming most of game really. So nothing to do here.
: I'm going through a terribly unfair losing streak atm :(
> [{quoted}](name=Summonah12369,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-10-17T21:18:42.047+0000) > > I'm going through a terribly unfair losing streak atm :( Wish it break for you and get some wins :/
Wilyum (NA)
: I cannot remember who made the video but there was some Korean guy who had a 100% winrate on Master Yi with like 500 games, he was in low silver/bronze. To keep his rank low he would duo with as Tahm Kench with an Anivia, he would eat the team mate flash Anivia would throw up a wall and trap them with the enemy. He did this for hundreds of games before the video got hundreds of thousands of views and he finally got a ban. It can take some time, a few hundred games time.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilyum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:54:38.114+0000) > > I cannot remember who made the video but there was some Korean guy who had a 100% winrate on Master Yi with like 500 games, he was in low silver/bronze. To keep his rank low he would duo with as Tahm Kench with an Anivia, he would eat the team mate flash Anivia would throw up a wall and trap them with the enemy. He did this for hundreds of games before the video got hundreds of thousands of views and he finally got a ban. > It can take some time, a few hundred games time. I know all of that but again it doesn't matter, a game is decide by team not by your performance unless you super super ahead.
Wilyum (NA)
: He very well coulda been but Riot tends to lean cautiously towards people trolling unless they are playing like Tahm Kench and eating people and flashing into the enemy. It is very difficult to prove people are trolling vs having a bad game. It sucks cause I feel like every game I get trolled oh well
> [{quoted}](name=Wilyum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:38:13.550+0000) > > He very well coulda been but Riot tends to lean cautiously towards people trolling unless they are playing like Tahm Kench and eating people and flashing into the enemy. It is very difficult to prove people are trolling vs having a bad game. > It sucks cause I feel like every game I get trolled oh well I know but i mean 2games, same guy and same out come so yah.
Wilyum (NA)
: It is and will always be frustrating, playing any team game where you do not have a premade team is always frustrating if you actually care about winning the game. But that is the beast, the only thing you can do is continue to improve until you are good enough to solo carry your way to victory, no one just becomes a challenger over night.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilyum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:26:16.930+0000) > > It is and will always be frustrating, playing any team game where you do not have a premade team is always frustrating if you actually care about winning the game. But that is the beast, the only thing you can do is continue to improve until you are good enough to solo carry your way to victory, no one just becomes a challenger over night. Talking about that, i had that ryze from that screenshot in my second game and guess what he took sona support and went 0-11. Like if that is not trolling, then what is trolling ?
Wilyum (NA)
: Basically, if you do not belong in a significantly higher rank than where you are you cannot solo carry, I mean like at least a full division above where you are. A person who is a low Platinum level will have a much harder time getting through gold than someone who belongs in Masters. So, just play for fun, don't focus on winning so much and just mute all every game. I managed to get up to Gold 2 by doing that then fell into like a 15 game losing streak and am at Gold 5 0lp with the warning I will demote so... yeah just suffer through and try to climb I guess. P.S. there is literally nothing you can do in that situation other than hope the enemy team throws, remember they are just as likely to have a bad team as you even though that never seems to be true.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilyum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:20:32.911+0000) > > Basically, if you do not belong in a significantly higher rank than where you are you cannot solo carry, I mean like at least a full division above where you are. A person who is a low Platinum level will have a much harder time getting through gold than someone who belongs in Masters. So, just play for fun, don't focus on winning so much and just mute all every game. I managed to get up to Gold 2 by doing that then fell into like a 15 game losing streak and am at Gold 5 0lp with the warning I will demote so... yeah just suffer through and try to climb I guess. > P.S. there is literally nothing you can do in that situation other than hope the enemy team throws, remember they are just as likely to have a bad team as you even though that never seems to be true. It just sad that i see people that and without any ego that play worst than me in term of cs, map control and kill/objective pressure climb much easier than me cause better RNG in team players, Special the one that i put so behind in game and still win cause their team is better :/
: Honestly pray to the RNG gods on your next matchmaking que. Yah, every games "Technically" winnable, but the amount of effort you have to do in that situation is insane. Most games sadly are decided by matchmaking lately.
> [{quoted}](name=Resolution,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:10:21.557+0000) > > Honestly pray to the RNG gods on your next matchmaking que. Yah, every games "Technically" winnable, but the amount of effort you have to do in that situation is insane. > > Most games sadly are decided by matchmaking lately. I know, right? I took break from ranked for like months and thought things changed, but nah win lane lose game or lose lane and win game. Team focus so much,
: it's a 5v5 team game though? You want a game where even if everyone else on your team is 0/20 that you alone could destroy 5 fed people? EDIT: it can be done. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2888633821/226469718?tab=overview Just get the fed people more fed that can carry. I was 0/7 by the time my tower went down.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AxyUM8AP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-17T20:01:43.039+0000) > > it's a 5v5 team game though? You want a game where even if everyone else on your team is 0/20 that you alone could destroy 5 fed people? > > EDIT: it can be done. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2888633821/226469718?tab=overview Just get the fed people more fed that can carry. I was 0/7 by the time my tower went down. I know it 5v5 game, that why i said i wish it was one man game.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ft1Kq9cE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-10T23:30:08.207+0000) > > And he is strong against towers and tankers now Well, I guess he did dip to 48% win rate. Gotta save their favorite boi.
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ft1Kq9cE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-10T23:31:15.405+0000) > > Well, I guess he did dip to 48% win rate. Gotta save their favorite boi. Right, classic he did rework to make him not abuse sheen items but got to break him more.
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ft1Kq9cE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-10T23:30:08.207+0000) > > And he is strong against towers and tankers now Are you going to go around posting this shit all day?
> [{quoted}](name=ApocaIypse Meow,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ft1Kq9cE,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-10-11T00:01:57.786+0000) > > Are you going to go around posting this shit all day? Maybe cause it the truth? Maybe cause a champion like him shouldn't be able to kill tankers and towers like that with all of that safety and poking in lane ?
: Did Ezreal need even safer lane bullying?
And he is strong against towers and tankers now
: {{champion:81}} {{item:3025}} {{item:3042}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3040}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3508}}
> [{quoted}](name=Colton147,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8E9iOayo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-10T20:43:40.879+0000) > > {{champion:81}} {{item:3025}} {{item:3042}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3040}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3508}} Yep the perfect build that dude used to melt through Ornn
: He's more of a lane bully now. He's also a better tower taker. Riot's favorite shooty boy was out for a world's. SHALL NOT STAND!!!
> [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8E9iOayo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-10T20:18:23.312+0000) > > He's more of a lane bully now. He's also a better tower taker. Riot's favorite shooty boy was out for a world's. SHALL NOT STAND!!! he always been a lane bully but yah he more of better tower and tanker destroyer lol, people thought {{champion:222}} was bad enjoy that now.
Pika Fox (NA)
: It incentivizes him to build more damage now than tank, as if he builds offense like triforce and the like he takes towers faster.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8E9iOayo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-10T20:18:21.382+0000) > > It incentivizes him to build more damage now than tank, as if he builds offense like triforce and the like he takes towers faster. Still make his defensive tools more better as well. Which is pretty neat for lane bully adc.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=4dU9NMmq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T19:16:37.537+0000) > > Orrrrrrrrrr i would be hope it for {{champion:62}} or {{champion:6}} :'D Both are not viable candidates for the skin since both have received skins this season. Lancer and High Noon.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=4dU9NMmq,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-08T19:18:47.513+0000) > > Both are not viable candidates for the skin since both have received skins this season. Lancer and High Noon. And both sucks :c
: Victorious skins are generally based on that champion's popularity in ranked for that season, and they're generally not given to champions who have already received skins this year. Considering that Yasuo doesn't usually see a lot of ranked play beyond Bronze, and his new Odyssey skin, I doubt he'll get the skin. I would expect this year's skin to go to Jhin or possibly Master Yi, considering their presence in the season this year. Also, Morgana was a mid-laner, and she received a Victorious skin. People seem to forget that she's a hybrid Mid/Support.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=4dU9NMmq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-08T19:11:58.960+0000) > > Victorious skins are generally based on that champion's popularity in ranked for that season. Considering that Yasuo doesn't usually see a lot of ranked play beyond Bronze, I doubt he'll get the skin. I would expect this year's skin to go to Swain or Jhin, possibly Master Yi, considering their presence in the season this year. > > Also, Morgana was a mid-laner, and she received a Victorious skin. People seem to forget that she's a hybrid Mid/Support. Orrrrrrrrrr i would be hope it for {{champion:62}} or {{champion:6}} :'D
Wilyum (NA)
: Urgot Jungle?
No one said he is troll as jungler, special if you picked him against {{champion:102}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:113}} }etc He so strong against immobile junglers
: Not rly. Yasuo just needs straight up nerfs to his early game tbh. Yasuo shouldn't be good early,mid and late game. Nerf his early so we have a chance to beat him before he gets his item
> [{quoted}](name=AggressiveWolf,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dP3Z5L85,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-07T14:28:52.019+0000) > > Not rly. Yasuo just needs straight up nerfs to his early game tbh. Yasuo shouldn't be good early,mid and late game. Nerf his early so we have a chance to beat him before he gets his item Well not really or not, that is the fact now if he get his hand on PD early in game it pretty much done for his laner and that is problem. Maybe fixing his early game power would solve the problem but right now, it the facts
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: Yes PD on Yasuo is just damn broken. But in a world of {{item:3134}} ,{{item:3147}} and {{item:3095}} who cares?
> [{quoted}](name=ShadWooo,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dP3Z5L85,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-07T14:19:57.952+0000) > > Yes PD on Yasuo is just damn broken. > > But in a world of {{item:3134}} ,{{item:3147}} and {{item:3095}} who cares? Everything is broken buddy. {{champion:145}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:28}} list goes on.
: Because Yasuo is just an outlier who should be deleted from the game. Other champs rushing PD first will be doing shit damage with 30% crit and 0 damage. But Yas gets 60% crit, the same attack speed on top of more Q spam from it.
> [{quoted}](name=Need Gold 4 Tent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dP3Z5L85,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-07T13:13:40.632+0000) > > Because Yasuo is just an outlier who should be deleted from the game. Other champs rushing PD first will be doing shit damage with 30% crit and 0 damage. But Yas gets 60% crit, the same attack speed on top of more Q spam from it. Don't forgot the damn reduction that shouldn't be on an offensive item like that.
Rioter Comments
: I miss nexus blitz so much...
Dude you just feel how i feel. Clicking on ranked and think to myself "Should i bother trying to play ranked then lose cause some random player then rage at my life for it ?" Clicking on normal and think to myself " Should i play some normal's then enjoy getting trolled/hold against my will in losing game?" Clicking on ARAM and think to myself "Ohh boy time to see my RNG today and hate myself more" I honestly was enjoying nexus blitz so much, i want it back badly.
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: I mean, they have to pay for a stat that they can't use.
> [{quoted}](name=MrHaZeYo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Nl1JaGap,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-05T00:15:59.810+0000) > > I mean, they have to pay for a stat that they can't use. Still the damage output or the CDR like on Rene is just annoying
Anìmê (NA)
: Because they offer certain effects that may be deemed as desirable. Vayne runs rageblade yet as no AP scalings.
> [{quoted}](name=LeAnime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Nl1JaGap,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-04T23:55:18.904+0000) > > Because they offer certain effects that may be deemed as desirable. Vayne runs rageblade yet as no AP scalings. That is true but in term of pure damage in trades or what it can offer to champion it nothing to her as trinity for garen for example.
Rioter Comments
: Except.... Pyke doesn't have a lot of inherent damage to actually pull off self assassinations..... even if he has 400-560 AD. Diana and Wu do, and almost instantly kill. Pyke ...... toys with you...... trying to get off 3-4 engages just to get a kill, because he can't survive most "duels"
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MXhb77AE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T21:52:26.587+0000) > > Except.... Pyke doesn't have a lot of inherent damage to actually pull off self assassinations..... even if he has 400-560 AD. Diana and Wu do, and almost instantly kill. Pyke ...... toys with you...... trying to get off 3-4 engages just to get a kill, because he can't survive most "duels" And that is my point, 2 divers doing assassin job and the assassin doing diver job{{sticker:sg-ahri-1}}
Rioter Comments
Hayaishi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ValiantKiller,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MXhb77AE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T01:52:04.279+0000) > > Stil I talking abkuty they gamestyle of them though If he has more counterplay then he isn't exactly a better diver. As a champion he's better? Maybe yeah, mainly because Riot has to gut Wukong and Diana into the ground so they don't take over the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MXhb77AE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-04T04:38:29.005+0000) > > If he has more counterplay then he isn't exactly a better diver. > > As a champion he's better? Maybe yeah, mainly because Riot has to gut Wukong and Diana into the ground so they don't take over the game. I not talking about counterplay or game balance , I talking about the game style how he is better designed champion and that mean to be assassin yet able to build as diver and act as one while the champions meant to be diver act more like assassin cause their outdated kit.
: Diana absolutely destroys Pyke. She can skill faster than he can run with W or E.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MXhb77AE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-04T04:41:29.529+0000) > > Diana absolutely destroys Pyke. She can skill faster than he can run with W or E. Again i not talking about power levels, my god people. I talking about the game style how he is better designed champion and that mean to be assassin yet able to build as diver and act as one while the champions meant to be diver act more like assassin cause their outdated kit.
Hayaishi (NA)
: Pyke has more counterplay than either of them tho
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MXhb77AE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-03T23:24:51.822+0000) > > Pyke has more counterplay than either of them tho Still I talking about their gamestyle of them though
Rioter Comments
: What coding languages does League of Legends run on?
Most of games would either be programmed in either C++ or C#
: Kha'zix doesn't have an AoE knockup, you can fuck up his combo, and you can actually dodge the important parts. Stealth doesn't last for as long, either, and is on a **much** longer cooldown.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERE6nw1f,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-01T21:48:56.149+0000) > > Kha'zix doesn't have an AoE knockup, you can fuck up his combo, and you can actually dodge the important parts. > > Stealth doesn't last for as long, either, and is on a **much** longer cooldown. Wish you can dodge anything now but nah it 90% slow just like nasus slow and worst.
usul1202 (NA)
: K6 damage is very high (imo too high). It also is reasonably reliant on a target being isolated. Meanwhile, 2 of wu's 3 damaging abilities (ignoring decoy damage) hit at least 3 targets if clumped. Wu's damage punishes clumping and is designed to burst and then survive beyond. K6 has short cds and is designed to punish spacing and leaving carries unattended, with multiple consecutive assassinations being an option, rather than concurrent carry deletion.
> [{quoted}](name=usul1202,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERE6nw1f,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T21:46:19.932+0000) > > K6 damage is very high (imo too high). It also is reasonably reliant on a target being isolated. Meanwhile, 2 of wu's 3 damaging abilities (ignoring decoy damage) hit at least 3 targets if clumped. Wu's damage punishes clumping and is designed to burst and then survive beyond. K6 has short cds and is designed to punish spacing and leaving carries unattended, with multiple consecutive assassinations being an option, rather than concurrent carry deletion. So by your words it's fine for them to buff him ? alright
usul1202 (NA)
: I feel like you're ignoring that one of the defining, powerful abilities in wukongs kit is an aoe damaging cc, something kha is completely lacking..... The two champs share stealth, and that's the big part of it.
> [{quoted}](name=usul1202,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERE6nw1f,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-01T21:25:18.547+0000) > > I feel like you're ignoring that one of the defining, powerful abilities in wukongs kit is an aoe damaging cc, something kha is completely lacking..... The two champs share stealth, and that's the big part of it. And the damage output right now from kha'zix is fine ?
: Wukong and Kha'Zix are two very different champions, and BOTH needed nerfs. However, if you want to go by logic, Wukong's base stats allow him to build more like a bruiser, making him a helluva lot harder to kill than Kha'Zix, which means that having a tanky assassin is a lot worse than having a squishy assassin. Furthermore, Wukong's _incredibly frustrating_ decoy allows him to get out of sticky situations a whole lot more than anything Kha'Zix can do, and combined with his higher defensive stats, this makes a Wukong who can destroy you in seconds infinitely worse than a Kha'Zix who can at least be reliably CC'd or revenge killed by your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ERE6nw1f,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-01T21:19:25.848+0000) > > Wukong and Kha'Zix are two very different champions, and BOTH needed nerfs. However, if you want to go by logic, Wukong's base stats allow him to build more like a bruiser, making him a helluva lot harder to kill than Kha'Zix, which means that having a tanky assassin is a lot worse than having a squishy assassin. Furthermore, Wukong's _incredibly frustrating_ decoy allows him to get out of sticky situations a whole lot more than anything Kha'Zix can do, and combined with his higher defensive stats, this makes a Wukong who can destroy you in seconds infinitely worse than a Kha'Zix who can at least be reliably CC'd or revenge killed by your team. And i never said anything otherwise, just point out how they favor buffing champion that doing the same thing as wukong before nerfs
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: Huh. So they're useless now. lol
> [{quoted}](name=XxDRAGONsAK47xX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cAdIexvT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-01T16:16:17.218+0000) > > Huh. > > So they're useless now. > > lol They was useful ?
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: Forced myself to watch Worlds for the rewards. Didn't get it.
Same here, i watch the thing and nothing showed up for me e.e
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