: Original? The MOBA style came out long before LoL, and actually spawned from another game that wasn't in any way a MOBA. DotA came out of a RTS custom map, and ended up turning into a whole genre. Who's to say that TFT won't be the same and start spawning whole new mega-games with a huge esports scene?
There was a lot more depth, interesting gameplay and just potential in general for DOTA. Autochess games don't have that. They will "succeed," though, because there's so much potential for microtransactions in the genre. It'll "succeed" because it will be pushed hard publishers, not because of anything particularly compelling about the genre itself.
Pika Fox (NA)
: They would have major difficulty issuing perma bans for this, given one could claim they allowed it in the past and did not adequately notify them about a change in policy going forward. You cant just randomly revoke access to something someone pays for.
The way it works right now, Riot could make up a new rule, inform no one outside of Riot, then start enforcing it without telling anyone why they were banned, and you'd have no recourse. That would be a pretty shitty business practice, and if it were discovered they did that they'd probably lose a lot of players, but they could legally do it. There really needs to be regulation in regards to player moderation in video games (and far more in the tech industry in general, particularly social media, but that's a different conversation). Unfortunately, there's not much of a lobby for consumer protection when it comes to video games, so it's unlikely that will come to pass. For now and for the foreseeable future, you have no recourse when you're banned in League (or any video game) no matter the reason.
: why the boards are harsher than the game that's based on in terms of punishments
Not sure what you're talking about here, I've been banned quite a few times on boards. Though, those were all at least 2-3 years ago or more, and I've only had 3 posts deleted in the past 2 years with no bans for any of them, so maybe they've gotten more harsh since then.
: But it isn't that dependent on blind luck. You're drafting against other people out of a shared pool of champions. It's a matter of probability and decision making more than it is luck.
Please tell me how I can influence item RNG other than selecting from the carousel (which is also heavily RNG influenced in what appears and what the position of the items are relative to you when it's your turn to pick).
minorjack (EUW)
: 50% winrate across the board? really?
Welcome to the problem I've had for years while Riot keeps denying that it exists. I lose well over 50% of my games, and yet my MMR still doesn't drop from high silver. At all. Doesn't even budge. And every time I ask support about it, all they say is "we're not allowed to alter your MMR, just keep playing." Holy shit, I never thought of that! Just keep playing! Well maybe if that worked I wouldn't be contacting you fucks in the first place.
: If you don't like this type of game, just don't play it. It's really that simple.
It's just that it's a joke that Riot is trying to pretend this is going to be a competitive game mode, implement a ranked system, etc., when luck plays such a large factor in determining the outcome of a match that skill is negligible.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Avtually you can lose intentionally to get the good items when you have Lulu (or Pyke) and already a bit luck with items in first creep round because you almost can't lose at the end. Ofc you can also go 2x Rageblade 1 Shojin.
Even with that getting all of those items in one game is still pretty rare.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Build Lulu with 1x Rageblade 2x Spear of Shojin and you will win every game
Good luck getting 1x rageblade and 2x spear of shojin more than once every 10 games
: OTA Is holding TFT tryouts tomorrow night at 7:30pm EST
-TFT -"competitive" lol Let's have competitive coin flipping, too
: i wonder if the ifs and tft will cause problems?
I'd avoid saying stuff like that. The algorithm is likely exactly the same in TFT as in SR, and that would be judged as justifying a chat restriction in SR. That said, you're probably far less likely to get reported for saying that, since you wouldn't be directing it at a player. Though there are still going to be the people that are just looking for things to report because they want to get people punished.
: You must spend a lot in exp that makes it less likely to get 1 stars. Even spending poorly gets you it before then. Try taking my rng manipulation advice then... Because you must be getting early exp which is lowering your chances of the 1 coin champs or you're lying
Nope, don't spend much on xp. And I am telling the truth. I suppose it could be that, rather than you being extremely lucky, I've been extremely unlucky.
: No such thing as extremely lucky. I just explained how. If nobody else is going for that one star and you follow what I said, it's possible to do it quite a lot.
That's nice, lucky you. I've never seen a level 3 before round 6-1 despite going for ones others aren't.
: The attacks aren't nearly as random as you think they are. While the AI is a little wonky at times, like some units decide to AFK in the middle of fights for no reason at all, messing with your positioning and seeing how each unit reacts, you can then use that information to your advantage later. Item drops are stupid and absolutely need to be changed. This really is the only damning RNG factor. You can tip champion pool favor by not bankrupting yourself early and amassing gold early and rolling when you need to. The champions that appear are based on your level. Certain units are more likely to appear at 1 level, while at higher levels, those same units are less likely to appear. This can be good, or bad depending on how late in the game you are, and can probably be tweaked a little bit. Like, certain units of a lower rarity are more likely to appear if you already have them recruited regardless of level. Its not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be though. See point one.
Yes they are as random as he thinks. I've had one game where I was one of the last two. First fight, I lose. Next fight, neither of us change anything. I win. And neither were even close.
: You can manipulate champion rng, cannot manipulate item rng. That's the difference. I can almost have a 3 star by 3-2 every time. But I can't get items.
If you almost have a 3 star by 3-2 every time, you're extraordinarily lucky
: my biggest problems with TFT so far have come from a drastic lack of conveying information
It doesn't even show you something as basic as your level Game mode is rushed garbage
Utok (NA)
: Played my firest last and only game of TFT..
That second one is probably the dumbest. I had a game yesterday where I was one of the last two in the match. I lost a round and my team was completely dominated. The next round I was unable to change anything, and he didn't change anything. Not even the formations changed. My team dominated this round. On literally nothing but RNG in the AI's behavior, the result swung wildly from one round to the next.
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Boards: "I want champion diversity...
Mages in top lane reduces champion diversity, because you're never going to see many of the champions who are shut down by said mages in top lane in any other lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FHX7EVTi,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T06:24:37.156+0000) > > With the way Riot (and tech companies in general) enforce their rules, I wouldn't risk playing off-meta at all. They should stop/take down videos like this then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMAAfm095tg
My point isn't that I necessarily think they'd ban for playing off-meta in the way you described. It's that tech companies in general tend to have selective enforcement of their rules, said rules can change at a moment's notice and be enforced before they've even told anyone about them, they enforce rules ex post facto, they ban or otherwise take moderation actions with nebulous reasoning and said nebulous reasoning leads to poorly defined rules that exacerbate the selective enforcement.
: Creep. Rounds. Should. Award. The. Same. Number. Of. items. To. Every. Player. Who. Passes.
It is RNG at that point. It's just RNG deciding who wins the game. And it's shitty.
Kýll4Joy (EUNE)
: I added an xd, thinking it would save it from not being that toxic, to be more understandable as a joke, due to the way the game was going. but i can see what you mean, thanks :)
Yeah, algorithms can't understand nuance like that, or context that changes the meaning of what was said. Something to keep in mind for the future.
: Is there still a zero tolerance policy for certain phrases?
Maybe people kept pretending "kys" meant "keep yourself safe" so often that people started using it seriously in that way. I've never seen it, but my 28 year-old ass barely knows how young people might be talking. Probably not the case, though.
: Actually the 14 day ban came from my account getting hacked. I actually never do this alot because I hadnt played ranked that often due to college and a smurf account.
You should have brought that up and resolved it when that happened, then. Since the ban stayed in place, the punishment tier escalates as normal. In this case, "as normal" means any small amount of toxicity escalates to a permaban.
: Overall what did you all think of the Darkin Lore Update?
I think the lore stopped having any value years ago when they started constantly retconning everything.
: How do I know if a certain account has had bans or not?
If you've always used the same email for the account, you could search through your email for ones about bans/chat restrictions.
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FHX7EVTi,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-06-17T03:24:58.904+0000) > > Well, based on the reasoning that was given for the ban, just don't play off-meta with a high profile streamer and you won't get banned. I see this as a major issue. What if a high-elo streamer happens to be smurfing in my game and it happens to not go well and the entire team then decides to blame me(you're the first guy they blame when something goes wrong) and the streamer decides to "throw their weight around" and get me sent on a "two week vacation"?
Yeah, I was being kind of tongue-in-cheek there to highlight the difference in enforcement depending upon who has a problem with you, and how WookieeCookie very strongly implied that certain things are only breaking the rules if you do it to a streamer. With the way Riot (and tech companies in general) enforce their rules, I wouldn't risk playing off-meta at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Godfather Star,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FHX7EVTi,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-16T17:58:43.757+0000) > > ...used a off-meta strat without other players consent. there? can we all be happy now? I've never seen another player ask for and get consent for playing an off-meta pick in all my games of playing league of legends. How can I be happy as an off-meta player if another off-meta player gets a two week suspension under the guise of this ridiculous justification?
Well, based on the reasoning that was given for the ban, just don't play off-meta with a high profile streamer and you won't get banned.
: Teamfight Tactics
So basically this is Nexus Wars from SC2 adapted to League? Meh. Works better with RTS as a base.
: Does reporting even work anymore?
Just take a look at the front page of this board. Yes, reporting does work.
: There's no scale on toxicity. There's either being toxic or not being toxic. No in between. It's the fact they're toxic in general is not allowed. So there will be no scaling here. Just don't do it. Period.
There is a scale. It's literally built in to the system. You can either get escalating punishments starting at 10-game chat restriction, instant escalation to 14-day ban or in rare cases instant escalation to permanent ban.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shadowbyte,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FrI5oQu7,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-07T06:24:30.631+0000) > > It's the place specialists and riot's white knights can put a stop to any sort of dissent through blasting OP with how wrong they are and downvotes. > > For real though it's the place where players look for a smidge of compassion due to context from their punishment only to realize that riot (and this community) could care less. You do have your occasional person actually looking for feedback but then they get blasted in a holier then thou way by the actives here and any chance of them reforming quickly goes down. > > _We literally have people that stopped playing this game years ago that are now "specialists"_ People who are actually looking for help don't get blasted as long as they don't start flinging insults.
That is definitely not true. Posts by someone looking for help with their chat logs posted usually get multiple downvotes before there's even a single response, and if they show that they're misunderstanding something about the game's rules or punishment system there are regulars on this board who will berate them and do their best to chase them away even if OP has shown no reason to believe they're here in bad faith. And often when someone does start to show bad faith, it's after a regular on this board has already posted a belligerent response to them.
Eedat (NA)
: Maybe you weren't, but whoever you let on your account might have been. You always take flash on D but there is that string of games where you put it on F. It's a dead giveaway
Might not have let them on his account. It's rather common for someone to gain illegitimate access to an account and script on it.
ADC for win (EUNE)
: Can an perma banned accout be unbanned ?
Permabans are sometimes lifted, but very rarely. It's safe to assume you're never getting the account back.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jWzwWhuY,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T02:37:38.876+0000) > > Not being ironic at all. Information about is is buried in support articles and this board, and information on the rules themselves is even harder to come by. You literally check that you read the terms of use before you can create an account, as well as each time there's a patch... https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct
And nowhere in that Code of Conduct does it actually lay out what the rules related to chat are. All it says is >iii. Harassing, stalking or threatening other players while using the Riot Services; >v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable; Which are both highly ambiguous, and there is zero explanation of how players are punished. And when statements like the one I quoted in my first post are relatively common, there is a failure at communication on Riot's part.
: So my acc was permabanned for "scripting", but here's what I actually do.
You're not going to win this. You used a macro that inputs move commands for you. That's about as explicit a violation of the rules as you can get. Nothing in the rules says that it must give you an advantage to be ban-worthy. As far as what Wuks said that you quoted, he said text macros are fine. What you did went beyond that. Nothing in what you quoted there should have given you the idea that using a macro that inputs movement commands for you is fine. In fact, the first line quoted from Wuks explicitly said that what you were doing was ban-worthy. Movement is part of your gameplay.
zPOOPz (NA)
: wouldn't that be a hard N?
Hard R to differentiate from the variant that ends in A.
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jWzwWhuY,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-06T02:18:28.472+0000) > > Riot really needs to explain the game's rules and the punishment system better to players. Ironic 100 {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Not being ironic at all. Information about is is buried in support articles and this board, and information on the rules themselves is even harder to come by.
Vekkei (NA)
: i never told anyone to kill themselves i said kys as in keep yourself safe, people have kys in their name and play on a normal basis, why aren't they banned? lol
Normally I like to give people on here the benefit of the doubt, but based on the context there it's pretty clear that's not what you meant. As far as people having kys in their name, report them via support ticket. They'll be forced to change their name and may receive a ban for it, too.
Lasiaf (EUW)
: Account permabanned .. really unexpected
> [{quoted}](name=Lasiaf ,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jWzwWhuY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-06T02:10:30.890+0000) >Tbh I didn't even know a permaban really existed .. until yesterday of course :/ Riot really needs to explain the game's rules and the punishment system better to players.
: SSN wouldn't prevent it per se either. People could still create accounts and sell them. Hell, I could type in a random 9 digit number and probably get someones number.
Pretty sure it would be illegal for Riot to require your SSN to create an account, anyway.
: Skype accounts have phone numbers last I checked, which is admittedly like 10 years ago. That is assuming that there is a verification step and not just a put in some random number. So that doesn't work. E-mails are pointless with ease to create. SSN would only work if the SSA allowed access to confirm the SSN used isn't a cadaver. Credit Cards are easily created. I use an App called Privacy to create burner cards for "special offers" all the time. Using Unique PC component identification screws over computer cafes, computer labs, and family pcs. IPs are circumventable.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=M5qk1VhU,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T02:08:08.816+0000) > > Skype accounts have phone numbers last I checked, which is admittedly like 10 years ago. That is assuming that there is a verification step and not just a put in some random number. So that doesn't work. Services that require a phone number usually do have a verification step. They'll send a text message with a code that you must enter.
: Do you know how long it usually takes them to answer tickets like this?
: I didn't need to go through account recovery. The password wasn't changed (I've changed it though once I realized it looks like someone else was playing on it) and that's what I worried about that the ticket will just bounce back and say that there's nothing that can be done when I would imagine they must track some data to see where the person is playing from or something like that.
I have seen exactly what happened to you happen to others on this board. Usually, they get unbanned, though usually they also go through account recovery first. I think the reason for it is that it shows you are the original owner of the account. Again, I haven't had to go through this personally so I can't say for certain, but if your initial appeal is denied, try account recovery then appealing again.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kinjospyke,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nKPdLjh4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T23:05:43.513+0000) > > How does f## get an escalated punishment over someone calling me a c### for not following them into their inting? C### is supposed to be considered the most vulgar of words in the english language. But clearly it's not incorrect considering folks that have used/were using said langauge have gone on their merry way playing more games, especially being the person using the c### slur at me has played 16+ games even after my reporting Because one is a _slur_ directed at a vulnerable community with decades of history of violence attached to it. And the other is just a very rude word. So one of those kind of carries a lot more weight. You can swear up a storm in league chat, as long as it's not directed at someone. I swear like a sailor in chat and haven't ever gotten in trouble for it because I wasn't calling anyone names
I'm not actually sure the C word won't result in a ban. Some feminists consider the word a slur against women, and it is censored on boards. I would hope it doesn't lead to a ban, but I ain't gonna be the one to try it.
: Hmmm. If only there was a method to be able to stop people from making extra accounts that actually worked... Oh, there isn't one. They actually answered about how they feel about smurfs once in an Ask Riot. Problem is there is no real way to stop it.
There are ways they could make it harder to create additional accounts. Require phone confirmation, for example. That would likely be too restrictive on who can create an account for Riot's liking, though. It would also result in people losing access to accounts they've put a lot of time/money into unless old accounts were grandfathered in, and if they were it would be unfair to those who don't already have multiple accounts or are new to the game. I suppose they could allow you to use the same phone number for multiple accounts, and if one of those accounts gets banned all on that phone number get banned, but that still has the issue that not everyone has a phone.
: Account was banned for scripting but looks like it was hacked by someone else
From what I've seen, you want to go through account recovery first. I think those reviewing your appeal will simply look at "did the algorithm detect unauthorized third party programs?" If yes, appeal denied. I'm not certain on that, though,
Owntrolf (NA)
: You literally can get banned faster through chat than actually feeding games
It's simple. To ban someone for using a banned word, all it has to do is detect the use of said word in a game. That's very simple for an algorithm to do. What's harder, and takes more information to come to a conclusion, is banning for gameplay related offenses, at least if they want to keep the false positive rate reasonably low.
Vylxeras (NA)
: So this can happen for a few reasons 1) Scripts were used by you 2) Scripts were used, but not by you. Let the ticket process go through but be aware of your own account security. Can you check and see if there are any recently played games that you didn't actually play? There's a chance that your account may have been accessed by a third party. Good luck man, it definitely sucks to have your account thrown away like that, but definitely check your match history for oddities.
3) False positive These do happen, as no algorithm is perfect, but are very rare. And if it is a false positive, you're pretty much SoL, because Riot treats their algorithm as if it's perfect.
: I got angry because someone banned my champ. I know it's petty and childish and I do regret what I did. I didn't really even "int", only going 0/5, the ban was for "behavior like trolling, griefing, and intentionally feeding".
For future reference, any amount of intentional deaths to the enemy team counts as intentional feeding. You can go 0/1, and if that 1 death was unambiguously intentional, you may get banned. In practice, a single death will virtually never be punished, because such a death could also be easily explained by a lag spike, disconnection, real-life distraction, etc. and it requires at least several clearly intentional deaths for the algorithm to establish intent. Regardless of whether you're likely to be banned for it, though, any amount of intentional deaths to the enemy team constitutes "inting."
: I'm incredibly unsure as to why I'm being downvoted so much. I'm only trying to inform and help people. Cant please everyone I guess. :/
Generally people on this board have a strong dislike of anyone who received any punishment at all, and will downvote any post by someone mentioning that they were banned/chat restricted. It's for that reason that I support removing upvotes/downvotes from this board, as it only serves to detract from this board's purpose.
Newbz (NA)
: Wrongfully Banned
> [{quoted}](name=Newbz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u0AVgnX1,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-29T23:49:52.947+0000) >without any prior bans or suspensions. Any prior chat restrictions?
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