patmax17 (EUW)
: Thanks for sharing! I've also been reading mostly manga my whole life and only recently started buying a few american comics (Ms.Marvel in particular), and they are definitely different in terms of pacing and character developement. Though my sample size is still really narrow, I have to read some more before making any sensible statements ^^ What do you think of My Little Pony? I definitely liked the first two seasons, though I stopped watching it around mid-fourth season.
I like it. Its not exactly my cup of tea, but I think its probably the best "magical girl" show. (even though the magical girls in this case are ponies)
: Ah so you know it pretty well and here I was like, he probably knows who bendis is but who knows? lol Kirkman and Bendis are pretty great. What you guys do with the lore reminds me maybe most of all of DC and Marvel though, because you've put a lot of time into taking old ideas and trying to bring out what's cool in them in the modern lore, or reinvent them a bit in a cool new way. Ultimate spider-man was the initial comic that got me into comics for a while before I fell out of it again myself. I was really into rick remender, grant morrison, matt fraction, greg rucka etc for a while there
I love Rucka's stuff. prob my . favorite american comic writer.
patmax17 (EUW)
: I definitely liked what you did with the freljord, their culture has a distinct and interesting flair that I love, and I appreciate that it makes sense in the context of the region: survival is difficult, and thus there's a strong sense of family and protecting women and their offspring, and fighting and war are important parts of the everyday life, since tribes have to fight over the scarce resources. I was wondering: what is the relation between the different Oathbounds a Warmother has? I.e., how do they see each other? I guess they all live together and thus spend their time with one another, but does it matter if they like each other? What happens if a Warmother takes an Oath from a man her other Oathbounds don't like? Can they say anything? And/or on the other hand, can Oathbounds love other Oathbounds? Overall I think the family of a Warmother has resemblance to an open relationship, and these are situations that do arise
Homosexuality probably isn’t taboo in the freljord. Unless it affects your obligations— and roles. But probably gender norms are pretty severely enforced. (Though what they consider “normal” is very far from what we would recognize). I think the relationships between the various oathbound are kinda up in the air. Sometimes brotherhood and a tight bond other times drama and fighting. I dont think these bonds are taken lightly and thus aren't done without a fair amount input and discussion. It would be poor leadership to force someone on the group. But its important to keep in mind they have very different idea of marriage than we do. It’s about protection instead of property. So probably unit cohesion and battle synergy is a marriage consideration too. You might “marry” someone because love them, but more often you are marrying them because you think they are strong and will protect your children—you might especially marry someone because you already have different lover/spouse and are looking for a way to secure your current children's position. I think several if not most of Grena’s oathbound never slept with her— maybe they were single, maybe they had families (which would make those kids “kin of kin” and thus a part of grena’s family/retainers. Maybe they married her to cement the peace between tribes. And I think Grena married Yriel because he was a natural leader and a strong warrior. He completed the unit because he was older, experienced, and got along well with the other men. Then seeing him lead, working with him, Grena fell for him. Hopefully the complexity is all something we can see Sejuani and Ashe struggling with in the future. Because i will say— in my proposed timeline. Tryndamere is not the first man ashe asked to “marry” her.
: I know you said to look at the other thread for other purchase options, but I want to ask here anyway. I tend to buy my books in person at Barnes&Noble, do you know if you guys will eventually market there or no?
that's probably store by store. I would hit their online stock list.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=waZyGtNY,comment-id=00030002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T22:07:44.579+0000) > > I read manga as a kid and teen, (I'm old, so it was kinda the first wave-- i.e. when Akira, Appleseed, Ranma 1/2 etc first landed) , but didn't really get into American comics till art school. My college roommate (Chris Walton a concept artist-- his stuff is good check it out) was horrified that I hadn't read Dark Knight, Sin City, Xmen, etc.. He literally put a pile of Hellboy books on my bed and told me he couldn't live with me if I didn't read them. I did. Then bought my own copies (and later some BPRDS) > > After that, I kept up with comics, buying mostly Dark Horse and Image ..in addition to manga purchases. > > I was never an every Wednesday guy, but I went to the comic shop once a month and bought stuff. However, I think my buying reached it's peak when i was working on_ The Walking Dead_ TV show and the first version of Bendis's _Powers_ (The FX version never aired. The Sony one you can download-- i didn't have anything to do with). Because I ended up talking to Kirkman and Bendis about comics writing during those shows-- I never thought I was gonna work in comics-- but I was trying to understand where they were coming from and how to better work with them. Their viewpoints really helped me understand of the medium's artistic language and made me appreciate American comics more. (I think my taste in terms of pacing and storytelling still leans towards manga though) > So I was probably going to comic store every Saturday during that period of my life. > > But my wife then having a baby cut it completely out for a couple years... I was too busy being tired. And my wife (who also reads them) was too tired to read them, let alone have fun convos about them. > > Fast forward 5 years and I started going to the shops again (a little before I started writing Ashe) because my daughter was older.... and she loves, loves, loves the Avatar and My Little Pony books. So now I'm going almost every other week. I usually buy a floppy or two for me plus a trade or graphic novel and then a graphic novel and couple floppies for her. > > sorry. > -long answer Odin I never asked you, and I would love to know, how come you're so passionate for the Freljord? I know every writer has some preference but I would love to know about yours and how you discovered it :) I know for me it is the thematic, I love winter as I was also born in January. I would also say that I like all freljordian champions, my dear Lissandra of course the most. She probably got me into lore and the Freljord. Love her voice as it is incredibly stunning, her queen-like,posh attitude, her mind... I love the fierceness she displays, the power she shows. I love her Archetype... Thats my short story, I wonder about yours :)
Well my real name is Odin. So I kinda feel like I've been hyper-aware of all the shitty version of norse myths and that sort of germanic gothic fantasy my whole life... and largely disappointed by how it was approached by media. (Thor: Ragnarok being the first I've liked) But also as an American, I was interested in finding a way to make those myths more universal-- so even prior to working on it I was always looking for (and finding) parallels to-and-with Native American cultures, northern asian cultures, and norse cultures. **But probably a much, much more important factor was when I started at riot no cared about the Freljord. ** A lot of the chief mucky-mucks thought it was kinda a dumpster fire-- and didn't care about it. So unlike Noxus or Demacia, I knew if I did some work in the freljord I wouldn't have to go thru ninety layers of approvals and feedback. So I might actually get to do something cool and unique. Actually, a lot if not most, of the work I've done in riot were in the places our IP that our leadership didn't like, places that didn't previously exist, or characters leadership didn't have strong opinions on how everything should be. ( Illaoi from buhru in bilgewater, Freljord, the vastaya, mythical creatures of legend, a ninja's dead dad etc...)
: the pacing was good! its hard to tell stories in the limited space comics allow but I thought you did a really impressive job with it anyway. even very experienced comic writers struggle with this all the time. I mean, bendis is terrible at it lol. just remind yourself you did a way better job with a limited series than he's ever done, and hes the guy that made avengers relevant and created miles morales. I thought you effectively covered a lot of ground while keeping the story centered pretty firmly on ashe becoming a leader, and it never felt like you were being too wordy or expositional either. Out of curiosity do you read american comics? or did you in the past?
I read manga as a kid and teen, (I'm old, so it was kinda the first wave-- i.e. when Akira, Appleseed, Ranma 1/2 etc first landed) , but didn't really get into American comics till art school. My college roommate (Chris Walton a concept artist-- his stuff is good check it out) was horrified that I hadn't read Dark Knight, Sin City, Xmen, etc.. He literally put a pile of Hellboy books on my bed and told me he couldn't live with me if I didn't read them. I did. Then bought my own copies (and later some BPRDS) After that, I kept up with comics, buying mostly Dark Horse and Image ..in addition to manga purchases. I was never an every Wednesday guy, but I went to the comic shop once a month and bought stuff. However, I think my buying reached it's peak when i was working on_ The Walking Dead_ TV show and the first version of Bendis's _Powers_ (The FX version never aired. The Sony one you can download-- i didn't have anything to do with). Because I ended up talking to Kirkman and Bendis about comics writing during those shows-- I never thought I was gonna work in comics-- but I was trying to understand where they were coming from and how to better work with them. Their viewpoints really helped me understand of the medium's artistic language and made me appreciate American comics more. (I think my taste in terms of pacing and storytelling still leans towards manga though) So I was probably going to comic store every Saturday during that period of my life. But my wife then having a baby cut it completely out for a couple years... I was too busy being tired. And my wife (who also reads them) was too tired to read them, let alone have fun convos about them. Fast forward 5 years and I started going to the shops again (a little before I started writing Ashe) because my daughter was older.... and she loves, loves, loves the Avatar and My Little Pony books. So now I'm going almost every other week. I usually buy a floppy or two for me plus a trade or graphic novel and then a graphic novel and couple floppies for her. sorry. -long answer
: I just left a review on amazon (and bought it), not sure how long it takes to show up. I used to read a lot of comics from a few years back, I was pretty impressed with this one and how well you adjusted to the comic format immediately. a lot of comics are either too decompressed or, worse, feel super rushed and crammed with unnatural writing, but you got the balance right in the first go imo
Thank you so much. I was a super weird transition from TV scripts. I def have things I would have done differently --mostly regarding pacing. (but also more pages for Yriel) . I learn some stuff on this book which will hopefully make me a better comix writer on the next.
: I wish I would hold my copy in my hands now but my retailer haven't got theirs yet. Well, guess I have to sneak out in my lunch break to get it. Also yeah, can't wait to donate a copy for my local library as well. Supporting the narrative team AND the local library? Sound like a win-win to me.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Ashe: Warmother Physical Edition Available Now!
Thanks for reminding everyone Ice! If I can make a request. For you (and everyone reading who bought the book from Amazon) please consider giving it a review. (Metrics are a thing!) . Please Please do the reviews, 'cause I really want to make make book 2!! There's not really a sticker for me begging... maybe this is closest? {{sticker:sg-soraka}} Thanx!
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SickAnto,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=waZyGtNY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:09:04.889+0000) > > Great! You know if there are the Comic in other languages? Like, italian, spanish, deutch ecc? I believe that the physical edition is only available in english for now later there will be more languages available. However you can purchase the issues individually in many other languages on comicology, kindle, amazon. Look at the thread linked for more details.
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=waZyGtNY,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:30:35.868+0000) > > I believe that the physical edition is only available in english. However you can purchase the issues individually in many other languages on comicology, kindle, amazon. Look at the thread linked for more details. Yeah, I think the non-english versions will be released as they are translated and printed. (At least that was the strategy last I heard).
: Shouldn't you be at the walkout
TacoBrain (EUW)
: On Nagakabouros, Celestial Bridges and Star Dragons
Wow, this is like a thesis. Can't comment on a lot of stuff as "things" are in motion.{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} But very cool, and well thought out.
  Rioter Comments
: The point I’m trying to make is that in most stories (the ones I know anyway) a demigod is just a the offspring of a god and a mortal. Sometimes a mortal obtaining some form of godly power. I don’t think riot has an official explanation for what separates a demigod from a spirit.
Demi is half, though my memory of latin is a bit rusty. Most of the greek depictions assume a god is the parent (though sex in the normal sense, frequently does not happen). I do not assume a god is the “parent” in our IP, at least not in the common use of that word. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Well first, which version of the alignment system? They're all slightly (or even majorly) different. From the originals view where it's only a wilderness vs civilization dichotomy to the more nuanced and contradictory 3e. The current 5e's alignment is similar to 3e but they dealt with the more glaring contradictions by not bringing them up at all. In the original D&D, Sylas is Neutral. Because there are only two extremes: Chaotic and Lawful, where Lawful actually represents civilization and honor while Chaotic represents animalistic, monsters, and the wilderness. Sylas is not honorable but he's also not aligned with the goblins. So he's Neutral. In AD&D, Sylas is True Neutral. The version of the alignment system in AD&D is worded in such a way that intentions matter, so because Sylas' actions are motivated by the desire to do good, he is not evil. He's also not good, because murder. The Lawful/Chaos dichotomy wasn't changed from the original so he's still not aligned with the goblins, so he's Neutral. In 2e, Sylas is Neutral Evil. In 2e we see Neutrality (on the good/evil alignment) shift into a weird morally blank running on instinct definition that does not fit Sylas. Evil, however, is defined as just not being good. Where good is defined as honesty, forthrightness, forgiveness, and being charitable. None of which describe Sylas. So he's evil. Chaotic has finally shifted away from just being a stand in for monstrous and wilderness, so you'd think one would put Sylas as Chaotic, however, Chaotic Evil is really strangely tied with being self-defeating and of low intelligence. And while I may believe that Sylas' actions are kinda self-defeating, he isn't stupid. Neutral Evil, however, fits well enough. They have no problem betraying their friends for personal gain, is in the description which describes the big moments in his story. In 3e, Sylas is Chaotic Evil. So 3e is probably the alignment with the most written about it, and the most strange oddities and contradictions. Which fits 3e pretty well, I love it, but I also avoid using Grappling rules because I don't feel like reading through it every time. In any case, 3e makes a push for specific actions being what determines someone's alignment. With certain actions, such as murder, almost being worth "evil points" the same is true for "chaos" points. The intention does not really matter as much in 3e. And Sylas by my reckoning has lied and manipulated a lot (earning a bunch of chaos points as lying is a chaotic action), and murdered a lot of people that by our standards seem innocent (earning a lot of evil points). It's worth noting though, that, technically in this edition being Lawful does not mean following the government. But it does determine how someone can act to be in open rebellion. For example, Princess Leia from Star Wars was a rebel, she was also Lawful Good. Because she strived for order and honor within her rebellion and was trying to create a lawful society. Sylas isn't a rebel in that way. He seems to rule his rebellion through browbeating people, which also is a mark of Chaotic Evil. In 4e, Sylas is either Good or Evil. 4e's alignment is weird. It really goes Super Good, Good, Unconcerned, Evil, Super Evil. Sure Super Good is called Lawful Good, and Super Evil is called Chaotic Evil, but the nuance of what makes a lawful or chaotic character is gone. In any case, Sylas doesn't really fit the definitions of any alignment perfectly. Unaligned means specifically not taking a stand, Sylas very much does not fit that. Evil is described as using rules to maximize personal gain, and nope. Good meanwhile gives a brief passage about the dangers of following laws that exploit others which seems to fit Sylas well, until you get to the part of not harming the unarmed and defending weakness. And remember, Sylas is a murderer. So he doesn't fit that either. It really depends on which part of Sylas you wish to emphasize. Though, personally, I think he's too complicated to fit into 4es surprisingly restrictive and limited system. In 5e, Sylas is Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Good. So a return to the more interesting and complex alignments, however 5e does not seek to rigorously define everything about alignments and leaves a lot to player and GM interpretation. 5e's alignment is also a bit more motivated by the emotional state and meaning behind the actions taken than 3e was. We also kind of lose the, what I consider great, differentiation between Lawful and following the government. Now the description of Lawful in general does say that being lawful does not necessarily mean following the laws, but then literally every description of a lawful character defines them by following the laws of society. So, Sylas not Lawful. The intentionality really takes effect on the Good/Evil axis. So we get things like "Good is not nice" and "Chaotic Good try to help others, without care for what people think about their behavior" which, yeah that's Sylas. But Chaotic Evil "are destructive and take pride in the damage they cause" which, yeah that's Sylas. Amusingly, he does not fit the Chaotic Neutral alignment at all which is defined by whimsy and lacking maliciousness, which is not Sylas.
Nice! I love that you were able to break it down into all of the editions. (They just exist in my mind as a confused jumble)
d00mface (EUW)
: That's awesome, I'm glad I wasn't just imagining things/totally off the mark! I do have to wonder though, did you ever consider using any Paradise Lost quotes in Aatrox's VO or would that have been too on the nose? Also, you've gotten me very curious about what other reference characters Aatrox might have had - are you allowed to share those? ~~Honestly the whole process behind developing Aatrox as a character sounds really interesting but I won't bombard you with more questions lol.~~ Anyways thanks for coming by this thread and responding as well as, again, for making Aatrox the supremely awesome character he is! You really killed it with him, he's perfect. P.S. As part of my final for Advanced Creative Writing this semester we've been tasked with bringing in a short piece of prose that has inspired us as writers and I already know I'm bringing in The Cage!
I don't remember them all off the top of my head. But "Macbeth" and "Richard the III" were both big inspirations too. Also certainly Trumbo's "Johnny get your gun" influenced this-- though I'm not the biggest fan of that book.
d00mface (EUW)
: Me Miserable: Aatrox as a Fallen Angel Archetype
Thank you so much d00mface! And yes you are right on the money. (Even spotting how I carefully worded the description of Aatrox's previous form.) When we were just staring on Aatrox, the main narrative pillar was "The Devil." So I absolutely looked at how that archetype was used previously-- and I absolutely did re-examine "Paradise Lost." And yep, the goal with this sort of character is to both deliver the archetype that people clearly connect with, and also hopefully find a way to make this incarnation, unique from the various characters that inspired it FYI: We usually aim to have a minimum of 3 to 5 reference characters that we can use to define the archetype's core traits in early production and to keep us from attached to a single point of reference. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Thorgram,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZNXqyVAp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-13T14:02:02.370+0000) > > For the physical release, do you know if it will be only available on Amazon ? or if local retailer could get their hand on it ? Yes the physical issue is available on amazon, it is actually available for preorder now on the german amazon so should be in US amazon too. And I believe that LadyFaceless here on the boards preordered the physical issue in a comic store so you should be able to visit a local comic book store and already preorder :)
Also yeahs... the best way to purchase the comic is physical book from your local shop. Most comics are sold at local shops, and are selected by the retailer to showcase, carry. So buying a book there raises awareness of the books potential to that retailer. (Also they will probably flip thru your copy and might just choose to carry the book because they like it.) Also Thanx for the shoutout/reminder for everyone, Iceborn!
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qabiFIYq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-11T01:04:36.954+0000) > > I can't speak to the Lux comic. I donno where they are with it. I've only seen snippets. But you can probably apply the same math that was used for Ashe (plus 1 issue) to figure out it's release date. (I mean Marvel's schedules are pretty locked.) > > Ashe is still due for release on the day we mentioned previously. (mid may I believe) Sadly, I don't know what's in the book, and I haven't seen it. The exact insides are decided by our editors without the authors feedback (I guess?) > > Zed is spinning up production soon... and I'm not allowed to say much about him. I can say he has 6 scripts done, and first script is locked (I.e. ready for the artist). > > This is probably because we are in a place where the team doesn't have much to report... yet. (Heck. I don't even know the answers) Thank you for telling us a bit more even tho it is not even your job, that is very kind. I just have a random thought, would it be wrong to assume that we will get some more info on the next years novels by the end of this year? Thanks :)
: How it can be that we STILL have no further information regarding the upcoming comics?
I can't speak to the Lux comic. I donno where they are with it. I've only seen snippets. But you can probably apply the same math that was used for Ashe (plus 1 issue) to figure out it's release date. (I mean Marvel's schedules are pretty locked.) Ashe is still due for release on the day we mentioned previously. (mid may I believe) Sadly, I don't know what's in the book, and I haven't seen it. The exact insides are decided by our editors without the authors feedback (I guess?) Zed is spinning up production soon... and I'm not allowed to say much about him. I can say he has 6 scripts done, and first script is locked (I.e. ready for the artist). This is probably because we are in a place where the team doesn't have much to report... yet. (Heck. I don't even know the answers)
: > [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HOB5Rokp,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T20:37:43.727+0000) > > Lol thanx. > > Yeah what mean is Sejuani and her scarthanes WILL know and employ battlefield tactics. Flanking manuevers, tarpits, refused flanks, feints, deceptive cavalry moves, shieldwalls, etc... this is part if being an iceborn. They are effectively professional warriors specially trained in small unit guerrilla tactics against monsters and foes with superior numbers. But even more so imagine thinking a 500 man shielwall will protect your center— then a single iceborn breaks apart your battleline with a blast of ice— before a dozen ursine slam into the now disrupted formation for cleanup. > > In an open field, Darius wins. But Sejuani will avoid that. She is brutal and approaches raiding as a job. She will try to starve your army, lead it into trsps and then bring death. Wait so Iceborns apart from Frostguard have standard military training for battle formations, flanking, military discipline etc? Is it smth only Iceborns are trained to do or do the hearthbound warriors have this skillset too? Do Avarosans also have this skillset? Or do only the Winterclaw and Frostguard have it? Also I was mostly refering to the ability of the warriors to execute those commands and their coordonation. Aka if they have military discipline. As I said above, do only the Iceborns posses this discipline? And if the normal humans do too, does that mean that Avarosans are also very military disciplined? Txs for the more info anyways Odin. You're the best!
So “standard military training” is probably a misnomer. Iceborn are raised to be warriors. They aren’t trained in a military boot camp or college. They are trained by their family and begin learning as soon as they can hold a weapon. This is a society that relies on warriors and raiding to survive.
: > [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=HOB5Rokp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-31T18:56:49.662+0000) > > Cool! > > Three things to consider: > > Under weaknesses-> you have number 3 -> army structure. I would argue that while Ashe and Sejuani aren’t at the political-strategic level of Swain and Nasus. They have other gifts > > Tactically Sejuani is super strong. By age 15 Sejuani is shown planning a surprise attack to wipe out another tribe. This is before she grew up. She’s cunning, risk taking, and unpredictable. If your looking for a leader that might pull off some Hannibal, Gengis Khan, or Patton type tactis — she’s your girl. I’m not saying she’d obviously best Darius, Jarvan, or Irelia— but I would bet on her doing something they werent expecting or even thought was possible. > > Ashe on the other hand has that rarer gift of true leadership. People are drawn to her and she brings out the best in her top advisors and warriors. People are willing to die for her because they believe and trust in her. Thus her advisors and top people really are doing their best work because she brings out the best in them. While Swain and Lissandra’s top people probably work out of fear and politics. > > Finally Lissandra is a wild card for Ashe and Sejuani and the whole equation. If your talking about a war between nations — who is Lissandra gonna help? I.e. Swain attacked Ashe? I’d bet on Lissandra helping Ashe — and that is super dangerous for everyone. Lissy can probably match Swain strategically. She’s not a long term ally — but any plan that he has she might counter or inform Ashe of his actions. (As long as it doesn’t infer with her goals) she might even try and curry favor or plant agents in Sejuani’s tribe by countering Swain. > ( Also what are Lissy’s Real, Real goals? People should be approaching the new bio’s differently. They are an overview. We are intentionally not over- revealing. —did the bio show who Udyr was or why he was powerful? — you get that from stories. A bio can’t really convey grit, heart, intelligence or emotional struggle viscerally.) I meant it more like Freljord's armies are not rly military organised or tactical trained except for Frostguard. Aka, they might be able to use tactics like ambushes, guerila warfares etc, but they wouldn't know battle formations, or how to seize an opportunity in a battle unless Ashe Sejuani or Lissandra realise it and commands them, they wouldn't know to protect high-value targets on their side (like mages, or some tribe leaders) , or shield the archers from enemy fire. That's what I meant. About Lissandra being a wild card, this is basically under my point about divided nation. Them uniting wouldn't be certain even if it would be to ensure their survival as a nation, and if they do, there would be inner conflict in leadership and the alliance wouldn't last long. Btw I didn't expect the almighty Odin to check my thread. Thanks for coming by! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Lol thanx. Yeah what mean is Sejuani and her scarthanes WILL know and employ battlefield tactics. Flanking manuevers, tarpits, refused flanks, feints, deceptive cavalry moves, shieldwalls, etc... this is part if being an iceborn. They are effectively professional warriors specially trained in small unit guerrilla tactics against monsters and foes with superior numbers. But even more so imagine thinking a 500 man shielwall will protect your center— then a single iceborn breaks apart your battleline with a blast of ice— before a dozen ursine slam into the now disrupted formation for cleanup. In an open field, Darius wins. But Sejuani will avoid that. She is brutal and approaches raiding as a job. She will try to starve your army, lead it into trsps and then bring death.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Ancient Freljord
This is neat! Sadly, i can’t really comment on this. As obviously discovering the “truth” of the freljord’s past is a part of exploring the current story’s themes. (What is destiny? does it exist? How does your past create you and the future). But why is Lissandra the way she is? What does she really want? What was the old empire? Who was Avarosa? Etc.. these are the right questions.
: Freljord region strenghts and weaknesses analysis
Cool! Three things to consider: Under weaknesses-> you have number 3 -> army structure. I would argue that while Ashe and Sejuani aren’t at the political-strategic level of Swain and Nasus. They have other gifts Tactically Sejuani is super strong. By age 15 Sejuani is shown planning a surprise attack to wipe out another tribe. This is before she grew up. She’s cunning, risk taking, and unpredictable. If your looking for a leader that might pull off some Hannibal, Gengis Khan, or Patton type tactis — she’s your girl. I’m not saying she’d obviously best Darius, Jarvan, or Irelia— but I would bet on her doing something they werent expecting or even thought was possible. Ashe on the other hand has that rarer gift of true leadership. People are drawn to her and she brings out the best in her top advisors and warriors. People are willing to die for her because they believe and trust in her. Thus her advisors and top people really are doing their best work because she brings out the best in them. While Swain and Lissandra’s top people probably work out of fear and politics. Finally Lissandra is a wild card for Ashe and Sejuani and the whole equation. If your talking about a war between nations — who is Lissandra gonna help? I.e. Swain attacked Ashe? I’d bet on Lissandra helping Ashe — and that is super dangerous for everyone. Lissy can probably match Swain strategically. She’s not a long term ally — but any plan that he has she might counter or inform Ashe of his actions. (As long as it doesn’t infer with her goals) she might even try and curry favor or plant agents in Sejuani’s tribe by countering Swain. ( Also what are Lissy’s Real, Real goals? People should be approaching the new bio’s differently. They are an overview. We are intentionally not over- revealing. —did the bio show who Udyr was or why he was powerful? — you get that from stories. A bio can’t really convey grit, heart, intelligence or emotional struggle viscerally.)
: Mordekaiser Has Almost Definitely Never Eaten a Taco
: Oh yeah is Sejuani's helmet Kalkia's, because I noticed the similar design except the torn horn, also how did Sejuani get her own true ice weapon
1) Yes it is the helmet of the Warmother for the Winter's Claw. It was previously her mother's. 2) Now_ that_ is a story! ( Oh boy, is Sejuani a badass!) But.... Sorry. No spoilers.
Hozenb (NA)
: Thank you very much for your detailed answers, especially the part explaining the difference between Kalkia and Ashe. Kalkia did not treat Sejuani well, and I can see that she also suffered a lot from her relationship with her mom, and was hurt just as Sejuani did. I have some more question though (sorry for asking so many! I understand that you may not be able to answer them all). 1. Sejuani was abandoned by her mother, mistreated by her grandma, and this unfortunate childhood should be part of the reasons for her "realist" and somewhat cruel views. But Udyr seems to be the one that she has sought for in her whole life - the one that loved her, cared about her, and stood beside her. Did Sejuani feel less lonely with Udyr coming back to the Winter's Claw? 2. In the short story of Sejuani and Udyr, Sej did not seem to have a very strong bond with her bloodsworns (which may be my misinterpretation), and she was kind of "cold" to them. Would you say that she would be likely to avoid going into an intimate relationship given the tragedy of her family and the "betrayal" of Ashe? 3. In Sej's childhood, Grena and Ashe seem to be a motivation for her to live on in those very hard days. Now, after the incident illustrated in the final issue, she on the outside ranted on Ashe's betrayal. But how did she really feel about Ashe on the inside? Would she still hope that Ashe one day will stand with her? Thank you again for taking the time to read this.
1. Well the working title of the next book is "Oathfather" so seeing the details of that relationship will be part of it. 2. Yeah. But also Sejuani is fulfilling the traditional role expected of her as a leader. Grena was pretty cool with her bloodsworn too. More than anything else she is expected to be the leader and mother of war for this tribe. She's not expected to be nice. She's expected to have a plan and have the grit to see it through. But more importantly her coolness to them is supposed to hint at her closeness to Udyr. She values him ABOVE her bloodsworn. No one is closer or more dear to her in the Winter's Claw than Udyr. (maybe not even Bristle). Hopefully we will get to see how he has earned this trust in later stories. 3. Sejuani's rant, I think touched on how she felt pretty overtly. She loves Ashe like a sister, but she also resents and envies her. She resents that Ashe had an easy life (compared to her) and a mother that loved and protected her. When I think of the cruelty that Sejuani is capable of it comes from that pain-- that hole in her heart. She grew up tough, hungry, and mistreated. She's seen her tribe, really her extended family, _literally_ starving, beaten down, and dying. What if you were forced to live your whole life in that sort of desolation? And then you strolled into a beautiful valley in Demacia and saw an easy, comfortable, safe, bucolic life. Wouldn't you feel like you had been cheated? That your family had been cheated? And this is where Sejuani's heart hardens. She's gonna take that valley and then, in spite, want to punish those Demacian villagers. Because she's angry and hurt inside, Sejuani wants them to know the desolation and fear that she and her people had to survive.
Zapzya (OCE)
: I really liked the comic series as a whole, hoping to to get a physical copy once it’s available. I have a question about how you pick “main characters”. How do you decide who gets to have the spotlight on them whilst moving a plot forward and who gets to be the supporting cast? You have over 140 champions to pick from, developing them all would be a gargantuan task. Do you have a criteria for the champions you choose to focus on, or is it just a case by case basis? I don’t expect all of them to have the same level of development (R.I.P. Rammus), but even if you cut out the obvious supporting cast, there’s still a lot of champions left.
Generally riot has _managers_ (Product Owners) make all strategic choices. It doesn't have _craft experts _(people like me) make those calls. _Sometimes_ we (craft experts) are asked to pitch ideas. (i.e. Who should a comic star? How does magic work etc...) Sometimes not. But we don't make the call. Or even the call of what we should be working on or pitching too. With casting a book, Larger choices by Product Owners are generally discussed with _Leaders_ (managers of managers). And casting a book (like Ashe or Lux) would fall into those discussions-- after a pitch was created. I would like to be more involved directing the overall story strategy. But I'm not a manager and I'm not a fan of office politics, which seems to be the largest requirement. So maybe it wouldn't be worth it for me. (Ah behind the scenes in the the _glamorous_ world of writing for a living!) For this comic, I was given the task of working on an Ashe origin story. I didn't choose her. But, when I decided that I wanted to show her with Sejuani-- I pitched that. That direction was okay'd. And that then later allowed me to explore Sejuani and Grena as having some sort of relationship both in the real world and within Ashe's heart.
Hozenb (NA)
: Hi, Thank you for answering the readers' questions. I also have a few questions regarding the comic: 1. Sejuani, Grena and Yrael believed in and emphasized on destiny or fate a lot. The priests in issue 4 also mentioned that the "accident" will be the fate of Sejuani. Is this a culture in Freljord, or is this a belief that Lissandra tried to infuse into the people to strengthen her rule? 2. Did Ashe meet her siblings? (The other two siblings did not survive to Spring, but if Ashe was the elder sister, she would have seen them; if not, she may not have seen them) 3. Continuing the last question, why did they die so easily? Weren't they iceborn? And Grena should have a lot of resources to raise kids compared to other common people (like she took 10 bloodsworn for Ashe). 4. In the script of issue 3, it is written that Ashe and Sejuani were of the same age, but I still would like to know who is the older one. 5. Kalkia chased after and cared about Udyr when the Winter's Claw abandoned him because of his abnormal behaviors. When she knew Winter's Claw was in danger because of her mother's unrealistic ambition, she came back to lead the tribe even when she didn't want to. She also allied with a weak and poor tribe to protect and feed them (even though she may be forced by the priests to do so). It seems that she is more sympathetic and kind-hearted than Hejian and Sejuani. Would you say Kalkia's personality and vision were more similar to those of Ashe? 6. When exactly did Kalkia come back to Winter's Claw (like at what age Sejuani was?) 7. Was Urkath one of the bloodsworns of Sejuani who appeared in Silence for the Damned? 8. What was the cause of the scar on Sejuani's face?
1. "Fate" is one of the main themes of this comic, and Imho the freljord as a faction. Because the faction's earliest narrative depiction was of 3 sisters destined to fight each other. So I wove it more directly into the worldbuilding here. This is a warrior society that believes in fate and oracles etc... What is fate? Is your destiny your own? Or are we all cursed to follow some predetermined path? This is a theme hopefully all of the freljordian characters will express in different ways. 2. They died as babies. 3. I've basically assumed having magically gifted children is difficult-- in a society that probably already suffers from high infant mortality. But it hasn't been fully fleshed out at this time. 4. Honestly, I don't think about age in numbers. They are teens. They were tweens. Previously they were kids. They would be in the same grade. Exact numbers only create problems for other writers conforming to a specific timeline. So I prefer to leave wiggle room. 5. Hopefully all of the characters here are at least in some ways likeable and sympathetic. I tend to view "evil" as weakness and as a blindspot to your own selfishness. So no, I think Kalkia is very different from Ashe. She lacks Ashe's capacity for hope and as a visionary. Ashe's strongest moment for me in this comic is where she fights Sejuani-- but then reveals her deep empathy and understanding of her rival. That, in my opinion, is why she is worthy leader and hero. She cares about people. She understands feelings. But she doesn't let those feelings cloud her own moral choices. Back to: Kalkia. Ultimately, as a father, I'm not sure if I can forgive Kalkia for abandoning Sejuani to a situation she knew would be bad-- but I understand she was deeply unhappy, felt trapped, and has ultimately done the best she was capable of. She is not meant to be good or bad.... unfortunately she is tragic. 6. see 4 7. no spoilers. 8. Sejuani gets into a lot of fights. With the people in her tribe, with the Frost Priests, with her mom, and with her grandma. She's troubled. I viewed the scar as indicator of that part of her personality. Perhaps somewhere we'll examine the exact incident-- but at this point its not needed.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Could you also tell us frost priests are carrying true ice circles on their body,correct? How come that true ice isn't as clear and blue as Ashes bow or Kalkias helmet? And what sginificance does a stag have in freljord? (There is one mentioned in tarics bio in reference and somewhere else I can't remember)
They are carrying dark ice. (Color is a bit weird -true)
: I’m trying not to be snarky about this, but I’m skeptical of the view Riot has regarding morality. Good and evil are subjective for writers, but why would an audience be critical of Ashe wanting a united nation? To what equality for humans? How can anyone empathize with a Darwinist willing to kill children?
Honestly, I’m not sure what you’re asking. But Ashe is pretty heroic here— she’s just not flawless. And Sejuani is still a villian, but hopefully one you have some sympathy for and understand. Hopefully they feel like real people.
: Okay, sorry this took a while: 1. Grena was mentioned to have taken ten Oathfathers for Ashe. However the comic only showed about five. So did some of Ashe's Oathfathers die previously? 2. Sejuani mentioned that despite what Grena believed in, Ashe still grew up "soft." Did something happen to Ashe for her to believe in mercy despite her mother's teachings? Or is it just in her own nature/personality? 3. Not much as a question as it is a confirmation, but as far as I can tell, Ashe still loves her mother, even though she also thinks Grena was wrong? Similarly, Grena genuinely meant well for Ashe, but in a way, she also failed? Is that what happened? 4. From the last issue, it seems like there is some prejudice from the Iceborn directed at the Hearthbound? Sejuani literally compared the Ebrataal tribe to the Grellfeen they killed. Is this a common viewpoint of the Freljord, that Hearthbound are of less value than Iceborn? And by rejecting that view, does this mean Ashe's views are non-traditional? 5. Is the Ashe still directly descended from Avarosa herself like in the old lore, or is it no longer canon and Ashe is simply rumored to be her reincarnation? If it's non-canon, how did Ashe's tribe take the name Avarosans? 6. Did anyone at all from Ashe's tribe, such as Helnr, or Ashe's mentioned cousin, survive the attack? Would they show up again in the future? Or is Ashe truly the only survivor? 7. Does Ashe believe the bow belonged to Avarosa? Or is she just as clueless as the rest of us, and simply uses it to build the myths around her? Does it require a lot of strength for Ashe to be able to use a bow made entirely out of True Ice? Does it affect her in any way other than pain? 8. Can you give us any information about the bow and where it came from at all? Please? 9. If not, will the mysteries surrounding the bow be explored in the future, or even be a big plot point? Can you at least tell us that? 10. If Ashe is openly known as the reincarnation of Avarosa, does it also mean Sejuani is believed as the reincarnation of Serylda? Or is it just no one's but Lissandra's suspicions? If so, it would make sense why the frost priests were plotting to get rid of Sejuani. 11. Is Ashe very reluctant on being a leader, but pushes through with it anyways? What would she have wanted if she were given the choice? Like, what could have been her ideal future? 12. It says that she needed to lie, kill, and sacrifice in order to be a leader. I can see how she lied about being Avarosa's reincarnation, but did she kill or sacrifice anything? Does she regret doing so? Is this why she doesn't like being a leader? 13. Does Ashe genuinely believe in a united, peaceful Freljord? Is that why she takes on the position of warmother even if she doesn't want to? I'm assuming yes, since she says "The strong must try the impossible." Is that now a part of her ideology? To try and unite the Freljord despite all the obstacles? Or does she feel she's managed to get stuck in a bad situation with no way out? 14. What is her hopes for the future and her homeland? Is mercy, compassion, and all those general traits part of those goals? Is she seen as a good leader by her people? What about her enemies? 15. Is Ashe reluctant to fight Sejuani since she sees her as her battlesister, even though Sejuani doesn't feel the same way anymore? Would she still ty to reason with Sejuani? 16. Her biography and the comic have a couple of disconnects, such as the bio not mentioning Ashe's time with the Winter's Claw before going south. Is that intentional? Is the biography written from the POV of an average Freljordian with only a bit more insight, and the comic is what truly happened? And if you don't mind, a couple of questions that aren't about Ashe: 1. Do you think there are any other art forms that could really touch on the emotional side of characters other than comics? What are you hoping could come next in the lore in general if the comics get a solid start? 2. Can you say whether there will be major confrontations between nations on Runeterra in the future? For example, a showdown between Demacia, Noxus, and Freljord? I am genuinely so interested to see how those three nations would react to each other, especially in a future lore event. Do you know if there's plans for that or is it probably way farther in the future? Okay.... That's a lot of questions. I really hope you don't mind this amount of questions - in fact, feel free to skip a few if you want to. I'm sorry, I'm just really intrigued and excited about this new approach to the lore, and when it concerns one of my favorite characters... I just can't help myself. I need to know more! Thank you so much! Sorry for the text wall.
1. yep. More than a few died. 2. Ultimately Ashe saw how her mom was venerated by the freljord and that culture... and because she could see her mom's flaws, she also saw the injustice in her mom's worldview. 3. Yeah this was important for me. Ashe loves her mother. Grena truly loves Ashe, and wants what she believes is best for her. But Ashe is rejecting a lot of the value system that her mother and Sejuani believe in. 4. Yeah so this is the big revolution of united Avarosian tribe Ashe creates. Treating hearthbound as more than chattel and serfs (notice how Grena treats the hearthbound) In the south this is less overt --(yeoman) But the freljord is a sort of feudal society. Iceborn and other magically gifted folks have more rights, freedoms etc.. because effectively they are the "noble" class. 5. No spoilers. But I will say it is not an obvious and will have a twist. 6 thru 10. Sorry. No spoilers. 11. I don't think she really knew. She's only about 16 or so in this story-- but the responsibility fell on her. 12) She has killed, and sent people to die. But this is more about the future. To save those people and build the world she wants she did/will have to sacrifice. 13) She thinks if she can unite the freljord she can end the cycle of tribal violence and make a more just, fair, and safe society. She is willing to do some extreme things for that end. And I would not certain this heroic drive would be applied to Demacians and Noxians. 14) See above. She is viewed as an messiah figure by her supporters. Her enemies worry about her. And worry about what a unified Freljord would mean. 15) That is the implication. I don't even think Sejuani relishes killing Ashe-- but in a way Sejuani's being a "realist" soonier. They are on different, opposing paths. They both are willing to do whatever it takes to pursue what they believe is right. 16) Yeah the bio was written knowing the comic would expand that part of the bio. But also the bio is more about how she got to where she is. 1) yeah obviously. Lux is next. Then maybe the Zed thing I wrote. (I'm not sure if that is going forward at this point) I can't speak for the Lux comic, but the Zed lets the reader take a deep dive into who he is-- but also what Ionia is like. 2) No spoilers. (but yeah, almost certainly) We do have some level setting still to do. With the Ashe comic, Udyr story and Ant Reynolds story. I feel players probably have a pretty good idea of what the Freljord feels like. What about Noxus, Piltover, Ionia? etc... 3.
: Any news on the Lux comic?
It's getting made. I think JohnO is a good writer. Sorry, no new news.
d00mface (EUW)
: Hi, Odin! I loved Ashe: Warmother as a whole - I’m certain I’ve said this before but this (+ your other narrative work on the region) has really gotten me invested in the Freljord so thank you again for that! So my question for you now that Warmother has completed its short run is... Do you find you prefer writing prose or comic scripts? Do you find one easier than the other? Do you think you get different/better feedback from one medium vs the other? Sorry to go full English major brain on you, but I’m always curious about the preferred mediums of my fellow writers lol.
I strongly prefer writing film and TV scripts. I entered writing really backwards. I went to art school for undergrad. Studied animation and film. Fell in love with storyboarding. Worked in advertising. Hated it. Went to grad school to become a director or cinematographer (leaning towards the latter). Only to discover I liked writing scripts and jokes in my first writing class. I've always loved reading books and did some acting as a kid-- but my parents were visual artists and I (and they) kinda assumed that was where I would end up. I worked as a video editor before getting to write for TV and that even further pushed me away from writing description. Because of all of the above-- I prefer the more slimmed down style of screenplays (And I lean towards reading books with minimalist descriptions like Amy Hemple or Elmore Leonards). 'Cause when I'm writing descriptions, it feels kinda weird to not draw the stuff or thumbnail it-- and instead use words to describe it. It always feels kinda ugly and slow. In my prose writing I really tend to try and minimise descriptions as much as possible. Comics are even weirder because every part of my storyboardist brain wants to go at it-- but I also know that would give the artist no-freedom and make the job tedious. (because I've been on the other side of the relationship with a writer over describing.) shrug. It's weird.
: Oof, sounds difficult. Well, I think you did a really good job balancing character, plot, and worldbuilding with the amount of pages you had. Do you mind if I ask you some more questions?
No problem. I set aside time in my schedule today and tomo. (after that... its frankly when I'm waiting for a meeting. )
: > [{quoted}](name=WAAARGHbobo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lfjyAswt,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-03-20T19:50:44.940+0000) > > 1) This will be explore much, much later. (hopefully) When we are looking at Lissandra. Sorry no spoilers here! > > 2) There are female frost priests. We just haven't been in a place populated or important enough for one to be there. > > 3) An oath is an oath. Its about the culture you are raised in and your own convictions. Sejuani was willing to break the oath her mother was forced into because she didn't think it should count. This isn't a magical oath. This is your word, honor, and reputation. (now making an oath to a magical creature... that's a different beasty). > > 4) no spoilers. > > 5) Really, really hard. But depends on what you are hitting it with. True fire? Not to bad. True ice? yeah okay. Normal earth steel? Yipes. It might shatter the steel instead or both the steel and the ice-- but it would definitely freeze and shatter the weak hearthbound, normal-human hand that you were holding the steel sword with.) Demacian steel? wow good question... donno. So can we say that per average True Ice is stronger/more durable than normal steel? Excluding the fact that any but incredibly powerfull beings and Iceborns are killed upon contact with it (and that even for the non-Iceborns that can touch it without dying, it would still cause immense pain). I mean from a durability PoV
I think its a complicated question that hasn't come up yet. the question that immediately swirls in my head is what if the person hitting the trueice is an iceborn? Or an iceborn holding a piece of normal steel? What about cold iron? What about silver? What about... etc etc...? As I think I've said before I don't like lists I like simple rules which create a lot of variables but which can be felt. (not sure how that plays out).
: First of all, thank you for the answers. I really appreciate that. > 1) This will be explore much, much later. (hopefully) When we are looking at Lissandra. Sorry no spoilers here! This kinda sound as if Warmother always have been planned as three comics focusing on the journey of the Freljord leader. That sound amazing. And I'm sure The Iceborn would love to get his Lissandra content. > 2) There are female frost priests. We just haven't been in a place populated or important enough for one to be there. Wait, that sounds like female frost priests have higher esteem than male ones. I guess the stronger Iceborn genes give them also better healing magic? > 5) Really, really hard. But depends on what you are hitting it with. True fire? Not to bad. True ice? yeah okay. Normal earth steel? Yipes. It might shatter the steel instead or both the steel and the ice-- but it would definitely freeze and shatter the weak hearthbound, normal-human hand that you were holding the steel sword with.) Demacian steel? wow good question... donno. Demacian Steel to op, pls nerf. But seriously, it still seem to be a difficult ask. Also, so other True Elements are actually a thing now? I remember Scathelocke mention that this topic was discussed intern but is still influx. Which could make an interesting discussion to see that is an element in Runeterra, how are this other True Elements are known in their culture (I doubt they will be called True xxx) and how these work. True Fire is easy to imagine - just a flame which never will go out and burn hotter than everything else. But for example, what in the hell would be the pure elemental form of water. Just water which can't evaporate and freeze? Could you drink it for example (since well, water is for drinking). How in the hell could you make something useful for society. Weapon? Maybe a nice fountain? Question over Question.
: I think you got a typo in the title, edit it as long as you can ;)
: I'm... Floored. This was all amazing to read. I had worries and doubts and small nitpicks, but overall? I loved reading these comics. Thank you so much for creating them. I kind of just wish there was more... I feel like maybe it would have benefited from having a couple more pages explicitly explore Ashe's mindset and conflicts, but with what pages you had I think you did an amazing job with. Ashe is one of my favorite characters in the game, if not my most favorite, and overall I really like this changes to her so far. She's still mostly the same character, but with much more depth. So does Ashe believe in destiny or not? Or is she still unsure about it? Does she truly believe in pursuing a goal of a unified Freljord or is she more going along with the flow? Also, will we get something for Sejuani as well? Or even more Ashe? There's so much to unpack from those two, I would really love to see more of them, or even the Freljord in general. So, thank you so much for this amazing first series! It makes me wonder what's next in store from you guys...
Yeah I have to say coming from a television background trying to fit a story into 20 to 25 pages of a comic book is really hard and involved a lot of learning, which my editor helped/pushed me through(thanks Ellie!). Personally would have liked to have spent more time (pages) on this story-- but comics normally have a pretty brisk pace compared to TV and manga. So I tried to respect that. Donno, I could go faster but it might be less emotional or I could go slower and the major plot points might take even longer to get too. (ugh!)
: Not sure if this is meant to be a QnA or not but I'm curious about two things. Has it been fulfilling to finally have the chance at completing this arc and releasing these stories that've been rummaging around in your head for years now? And what do you think is next for anymore Freljord based stories, anything you could possibly share?
1) It's been nice honestly to finally, finally get some of this world building and character stuff in front of the players. 2) Sadly I can't share them. (that would be a spoiler!)
: I'm sorry if I don't dwelve too deep in it but I still have this question: Is the origin of Ashe's bow been explained fully? Is it Targonian or Iceborn craft? Did she find it as she told or did she lie as Swain says?
Yep, Ashe's connection to the bow has not be explained yet. Sorry.
: So, we finally got the last issue of the Warmother comic and it has been a worthy ending for the first comic. First, I’m actually impressed how Sejuani was able to steal the spotlight the moment she came into the frame. I freaking love her whole presence in the comic. She is beautiful, she is badass, and she is a person with real emotions. The comic not only expended on Ashe but gave us such a better understanding about Sejuani. The fight between Ashe and Sejuani broke my poor heart. Overall, the moment when Sejuani declared Ashe as her battle sister was the moment it all turned to the worst for both of them. Sejuani was ready to do everything for Ashe and the first reaction Ashe gives her is hesitation. It broke my heart to see this kind of hesitation. I understand why Ashe could not watch to see innocent people get slaughtered. It was the right call to save them but it cost them their friendship. Not gonna lie, I felt a little bit cheated to see Sejuani coming back to her village, knowing this will be the point she will take the place as Warmother and not to see that will happen. This turning point for Sejuani deserves its own spotlight. Comic or Short Story? I don’t care but I want it. So but I have a few question with this final issue. 1. I want to know how this telepathic link between the Frost priests works. It such a small sentence but I want to know more. Can everyone learn it? Does it work like the dream walking Lissandra uses? Which downsides have it? Can someone hide his intention? Or does make it a person like glass, unable to hide and shows everything about you? 2. Are Frost priest are position only for male Iceborns? Since we saw a handful in the comic and these have been only male so far. 3. How difficult is it to break an Oath? Ashe and Sejuani are Battlesisters and we know that oaths are not taken lightly in Freljord. What would happen if Sejuani would kill Ashe? Is it completely meaningless now or does an oath has some kind of hidden magic, maybe? 4. I guess Urkath will be one of Sejuani’s bloodsworn? In “Silence for the Damned” it was mention that Sejuani has bloodsworns and he clearly tries to woo her. Which favor does he own to Sejuani? 5. How difficult is it to break True Ice? We can see that the broken helmet which Sejuani wears ingame is still unbroken in the comic. We know the helmet somehow got broken during the time her mother died. So could that happen to possible every True Ice Weapon? Or does it have some deeper meaning which could be used to fuel Sejuani’s claim as true ruler of the Freljord? Anyway, thank you Odin for delivering writing such an amazing comic and it was a blast to read. I can’t wait to see your work on Zed, especially since I expect a lot of information about Shadow Magic. Maybe I will be the person who does that big Feedback Discussion this time.
1) This will be explore much, much later. (hopefully) When we are looking at Lissandra. Sorry no spoilers here! 2) There are female frost priests. We just haven't been in a place populated or important enough for one to be there. 3) An oath is an oath. Its about the culture you are raised in and your own convictions. Sejuani was willing to break the oath her mother was forced into because she didn't think it should count. This isn't a magical oath. This is your word, honor, and reputation. (now making an oath to a magical creature... that's a different beasty). 4) no spoilers. 5) Really, really hard. But depends on what you are hitting it with. True fire? Not to bad. True ice? yeah okay. Normal earth steel? Yipes. It might shatter the steel instead or both the steel and the ice-- but it would definitely freeze and shatter the weak hearthbound, normal-human hand that you were holding the steel sword with.) Demacian steel? wow good question... donno.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Ashe: Warmother Comic Nr. 4 (final) Feedback and Character Discussion; SPOILERS
1) No update on Oathfather. Hoping the physical sales do well. That will probably determine the fate of a possible follow up. "Doing Okay" currently. 2) Vedmah is a role/ability. Existing across tribes and factions (and yes Lissy has many of them). It's like saying warrior. But in this case you mean an oracle or seer. The nature of their second sight an vary. Hopefully examined and seen in later stories. 3) Yes, hopefully in Oathfather. 4) No. Not to tribes which worship the old gods. 5) Keenly spotted. Notice how puny the piece of trueice is on Sejuani's and her mom's weapons. True ice is rare. The larger the piece of it the harder it is to control and the more it takes out of you. 6) Dark Ice is different from the True ice, and for the average Freljordians it is known to have better healing and regeneration powers. A person wielding it can even give warmbloods around him/her better stamina and strength-- closer to that an iceborn might have. (At this point I'm not going to answer, beyond what the common knowledge a typical Freljordian would have) 7) Valknu is very powerful. (BTW He was offering the services of one of his attendants. ) He probably wouldn't heal a broken or severed arm where anyone could see. But it is within his power, though that would really tax him and would have _other_ costs. 8). Mind reading will probably be explored in Oathfather. Sejuani believes they are lying about this ability. Kalkia thinks they are telling the truth. This is different from dream-walking. Dreamwalking is how Lissandra's faith communicates. And why the messaging is sometimes difficult to understand or do. 9) If Sejuani's magical ability was stronger-- yes. Is it? Who can say... 10) (no answer) 11) (see #10)
Falrein (EUW)
: Hi Odin. If you ever read this, I want you to know you broke my heart. I was so moved. I almost shed a tear. No joke. Other than that, I can safely say this was a great comic. It's reassuring to see that this Riot and Marvel first collaboration can give something so great, and it can only improve from now on. I'm guessing it's too early to talk about this, but would you happen to know if the comic sold well/got read a lot? Did the numbers meet Riot's expectations? Since it's the first time I'm guessing the numbers weren't that high, but I'm wondering if you're satisfied with it, and if we're on the right track to get more comics... I'm not even sure you can share actually, but it would be really great to know about that to be honest!
Ultimately at this point, it's fate will be decided by sales of the physical release. (In may I think?) It's done "okay" on universe. Obviously, the hope is people were waiting to binge when it was finished.
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: sniping you to dodge class work are Volibear and ivern good friends since voli is such an environmentalist, making friendly trees and inventing water? is Volibear a net positive on the freljord or is he regarded universally as an asshole? Why even worship lesser gods or spirits when something like nagaka exists and bodies them all?
The Volibear is about “wildness” and “the wilderness” so it is a friend of ivern in some ways. But only because it is an enemy of fields, domestication, civilization, walls, and rules. It hates “the lies of men” and “man’s attempt to enslave and escape nature.” The more powerful a being is, the harder it is: to understand, to be worthy of its intention, or to communicate with. Probably naga is more powerful than the Volibear or Ornn (because a god > a demi-god) but which is easier to contact? which is more likely to come to your add?
: Its a god of Life, all living things matter. Whether its Gods Need Prayer Badly or just a "desire" (as improper that word is to describe a god's dominion), Runeterra might not be the only care but the Bearded Mother has reason to care for any life however small. Same how Kindred despises the undead despite being a pair of entities that represent and administer death.
Yeah Kindred cares about death and It hates undeath because that is an abomination to the cycle of life and death — it breaks the rules— so it is an enemy of naga and kindred. Thus I would agree naga cares about “all life” and is somehow fueled by it. BUT this also assumes each life includes an end. (The possible reincarrnation and after-life of a soul is seperate though related issue). Now Illaoi’s faith assumes all “life” serves some unknowable plan — thus we all are instruments of nagakabouros moving the universe towards some greater destiny. Thus a worthy, righteous, and just life to her is one that embraces life itself. Accepting and pursuing all of its messy mixture of ambitions, loves, feelings, and chaos. Now, is she and her faith correct about what Nagkabouros wants? who knows? That is where faith is required.
Quepha (NA)
: It isn't concerned It doesn't benefit It doesn't care Illaoi's religion is based around their observations of its actions and what they think pleases it. Because they take observations of (a very small part of) Nagakabouros, they may have developed a philosophy that happens to go along with Nagakabouros, but that doesn't actually mean it has impact upon it. Rick and Morty (200 IQ btw) uses this concept pretty well with their "Get Schwifty" episode where the town develops a religion around a giant head in the sky. It's a goofy version of Lovecraftian cosmic old gods that develop cults around them.
One of the things I thought was interesting about a religion in a world where you can see dead people, your own soul, magic etc... was that it still required “faith.” You can have absolute proof that your god is real and can effect your world. But you can’t be sure of its reasons or goodwill. Are you worthy of its attention? Does it prefer your foe over you? Is it even possible to understand what it wants? In Illaoi’s color text she tests Gangplank, but really it was a test of her own faith. She had to trust her god’s system over her own feelings. So the uncertainty of these gods’ goodwill and motives is intentional. It leaves a place for our characters’ and audience’s uncertainty. Everyone has to judge for themselves and make choices. There is no guarantee that good will triumph or even that you are fighting for the just cause. So whether your a non-ursine shaman of The Volibear, a vastayan druid, or a worshiper if Nagakabouros — you have to choose to whether or not to trust your god and your connection to that god.
: It was said by some Rioter(don't remember which one exactly, sorry) that Jhin actually had several Haikus in his VO that didn't make it into the game, among other things. Its probably like Kindred's poem, though, in the sense that it doesn't end. Though, honestly, Jhinkus are far superior.
Yeah. there were about a dozen haiku's recorded. But they violated the game's ratings level, so were omited. RE: The above. Most of the characters I wrote VO for have defined syllabic and speaking patterns. (Because real people tend to speak in patterns determined by the complexity of their thoughts, comfort level, energy level, and lung capacity.)
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