: Reimagining Pantheon, the Unbreakable Spear - Behind the Scenes
Well. They removed his armor. Taking him from the character with the best designed armor in the game to the worst. His spear and shield are over-designed in ways that would actually hinder its use in combat. He now has a bunch of glowing crap around his head so I can no longer ignore the space crap. So yeah. I hate it. And that’s me done, guys. To Bioluminescence, you are hands down the best spokesperson for a company I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Keep being the positive map loving influence you are. To Ralanr working with you was great. Keep being awesome man. To everyone else, I sincerely hope you continue to enjoy the game. Peace out.
: That is, 100% without a reason of a doubt NOT THE ARMOR SHE'S WEARING Don't tell me that there is a totally different type of armor that is meant to be lightweight and act like that what she has. Biggest key thing is the holes throughtout the entire armor. Another big thing is the hoops of metal at the bottom, where the hell do you see that on her? Nowhere. She's probably wearing platemail by the design of the armor but not really full plate.
Ok. Let’s try this again. The initial point was where you said that wearing plate armor does not allow one to bend over. This is false, and leads me to believe you have never worn armor. I then showed you a piece of armor that has lames, a specific section of armor designed to continue to protect the wearers lower torso and upper thighs while bending around the waist. The drawing was just the first one that I found while googling lames. It is not a showcasing of some lightweight hole armor. Here’s a better version. https://uploads.mordhau.com/spirit/images/5705/7245d287f950f0de9cdfcee3b4aaa257.jpeg That shows several examples of how ornate functioned. Furthermore, plate is just plate. Metal functions the same way regardless of how the armor is designed. Learning how those pieces interact along with how a body moves can tell you whether an armor design would function or not. To platemail. Platemail isn’t really a thing, at least not in the way most videogames use it. This is plated mail: https://i.redd.it/gmsfz224ksd21.jpg See how the small bands of plate are directly incorporated into the mail? Hence the name. If the armor isn’t designed with that incorporation of plate and mail then it’s just plate. Kayle is wearing plate. It doesn’t matter if it’s munitions plate, full plate, three-quarters plate, or even a Greco-Roman Classical breastplate. Plate is plate and requires the same base elements to function. What differentiates all those types of plates is technology and cost. For example the Classic Greek plate didn’t have lames because the technology wasn’t invented yet. While three-quarters plate didn’t have sabatons because that piece of foot armor is ridiculously expensive and to function the lames have to be very small and fit together almost perfectly. And since they’re worn by infantry they didn’t feel the need to wear it as you’re way more likely to get struck in the head and chest. So back to Kayle. Does her armor design incorporate lames? Yes. She has them over her rib cage. You know, the part of her torso that doesn’t move when one bends about, making the lames there pointless. And she’s wearing sabatons which is good. A very difficult piece of armor to build. So she is using relatively high tech armor here. Only it’s so poorly designed that it left gaps, gaps specifically in areas lames were created to protect. Now you may then presumably claim that what if she is wearing mail underneath the plate. Which is a very good question and was often done. But here’s the thing, there’s no room. Here’s a good image of what I mean: http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/~warlock/MCRWA/Combat/Armour_Helms/Plate1.jpg See how the mail puffs out where it is free of the plate’s constraints? See how the chestplate is a good distance away from the chest to accommodate the layer of cloth and mail? Kayle doesn’t have that. In fact, the cloth she wears beneath her plate is pretty much skintight. Were she also wearing mail, she would have to have another layer of padding between her skin and the mail because you don’t want the metal to touch and bunch up and pinch your skin. So Kayle’s full armor would have to be: padding, mail, spandex, plate. And there’s no way her design can accommodate all that. It’s too formfitting.
: In armor you can not bend over, if you do you will be unable to get back up, you must always bend at the knee while rotating would already be hard because it's armor and I don't really see how she would be stabbing herself with her armor Her crotch does seem unprotected but that's more probably due to having to move her legs so she can't just be wearing tin cans for leggings. It's not like being stab there would be fatal either, _girls bleed there all the time_ >w>" Most of her artwork does have her arms up and it seems like it is made in a way that it won't really clonk her in the head unless you put your arms all the way up which is more than likely impossible with that armor on. Also is that a skin or something because that does not look anything like the base skin's armor tbh.
That is ridiculous. I've gotten back up when bending over in armor! What do you think the lames were for? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Ren%C3%A9_d%27Anjou_Livre_des_tournois_France_Provence_XVe_si%C3%A8cle.jpg/220px-Ren%C3%A9_d%27Anjou_Livre_des_tournois_France_Provence_XVe_si%C3%A8cle.jpg See how it has hoops of metal at the bottom? That is specifically for the metal to slid up under itself so that the wearer can move their torso up down anyway they want. The stabbing comes from the fact instead of a tapered waist or those lames the armor instead goes into a point that is pressed up against her stomach. The picture above was a pretty popular fan rework of her base armor. This is her current armor. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LU8eRPYu6tU/XHBnnSBzgwI/AAAAAAABPXc/PDk01K1rk6ILTQBXyF9-7THiMEpegnyWgCLcBGAs/s640/kayle.png Now when the character moves, the weird gold highlights on her pauldrons don't move with her arm, they just sort of stay in position, which is not how armor works, because, you know, physics. It's the same trick they used with Yasuo by the way, with his own ridiculous spaulder, despite his arm moving quite a lot, the armor just kind of stays where it's supposed to be for appearance sake rather than where it actually would move to.
: What's wrong with her armor now?
If she bends or rotates her torso she'd literally stab herself in the gut. Her inner thighs and lower torso are uncovered, which is a hilariously glaring weakness for someone who is flying over everthing. If she lifts her arms her pauldrons would clonk her on the head. Her chestplate is directly pressed against her ribs, which means there's no padding and all energy would be transferred.
coreym11 (NA)
: Why doesn't league have a game based around it's lore already?
Well, because money dear boy. Riot is a business, but they made their mark making a very specific type of game: free with a lot of means to get players to spend money on trivialities and conveniences. This monetary system works really well provided the following is true: 1) There is a steady stream of stuff for people to buy. 2) The buying audience is vast enough to support a company. 3) That audience stays invested, so that consumers who wouldn’t normally spend money see constant reinforcement that they should be spending money. Which is part of why we saw the first win of the game bonus and loot boxes and special borders and the specialty missions all come about. So here’s the thing, if the monetary goal is to make certain that your player base constantly plays this game making another game that appeals to the players of this game mostly means that you’re now cutting your player base into portions and now to maintain your monetary goal you have to effectively double your work load. This is not something any company would do. And make no mistake, as of now, only players of this game are really familiar with the lore to any meaningful degree. But Riot are taking steps to change that. The Marvel comics and the book that will be out sometime are clear forays into outside markets as a means to expand the knowledge base of the lore. This is a pretty safe tactic, it’s what Warhammer and Warcraft did. And from there I believe we can see a rough guess as to what Riot’s next moves will be. More of a lore push to get further outside markets. Then when they feel they have a market they will release games that don’t directly clash with their LoL monetization. So not an MMO, those things also require a stable consistent playerbase that demands to be drip fed additional content. What we’ll likely see is a smaller more niche game. The goal being the lore fans are going to buy it, and lovers of this niche stuff who have no one catering to them will also buy it. Hopefully the lore lovers will love it for the lore and the niche game fans will learn to love the lore too. It will likely be focused on either the most popular or hottest setting in Runeterra. If I had to guess, right now, it’d be Demacia. As the comic and book tie in are the perfect way to get outsiders invested.
Sirsir (NA)
: As long as Naked-Except-My-Hat-And-A-Thong Pantheon stays I'll be fine
That does bring up a question. If Ruthless Pantheon doesn’t ask “Hey-ay-ay-ay-ay, what’s going on?” Can we consider the rework a failure?
: With Pantheon on the works for a rework, can Riot please preserve the greatness of his current skin?
Well you might need to point out what you find great about it. But because I'm a pessimist, I kinda doubt they will. For me, anyway, I liked Pantheon because it was a cartoon version of an actual panoply. What scraps of information we've gotten seem to be playing up the magic space parasite route, at least that's the vibe I got from the frankly terribly designed spearhead they showed in the teaser image. But on the plus side, he probably won't have that diaper anymore. It was stupid when 300 did it. It was stupid when Riot did it. And it remains stupid to this day.
Çaged (NA)
: {{champion:80}} I don't care about lore at all, but Panth was the only champ I ever played for his theme.
: What's your favorite champion artistically/design-wise?
{{champion:80}} based off of one of my favorite historical cultures. And while of cartoony proportions he has armor that won’t make him objectively worse at fighting, which is as good as LoL armor gets really. If skins could be added, then Winged Hussar Xin Zhao for much the same reason as Pantheon.
: But they're both pointys with a stick!
Oh shit! You right!
: Let me put it this way. In the jungle, it could easily confuse players who think that a different champion has entered their sight radius or activated an ability nearby. In lane, it can confuse _multiple_ players since VO is a huge gameplay tell for the vast majority of champions, including the person playing Fiddlesticks. It was pointed out that at times it could feel _really_ disorienting. Maybe two VAs would be okay, but definitely not five. As cool as it might sound on the surface, the gameplay implications were fairly severe. I had to let the idea go. :'''( Buuuuut for now I'm exploring a different version of that type of script, as I said in the update. My producer was visibly creeped out by the current pass, so I'm feeling pretty good about it. I'll be able to talk about that more **next time on Fiddlesticks Z.**
Ahh so it’s less “our play testers are a bunch of pansies” and more “the VO was affecting game clarity.” While still disappointing, I can get that.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VdlG380Q,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-26T17:40:21.456+0000) > > You can't steal what is freely given. > > Though feel free to iterate. I don't think it's a smooth as it could be. Four little children in the fields. Dances and skips, and laughters yield. There is the scarecrow a smile endear. "Fly little birds", is what we heard. Three little children in the fields. Dances and skips, and bird chase yield. There is the scarecrow who stands anear. "Fly little birds", is what we heard. Two little children in the fields. Searches and worries, but nothing yield. There is the scarecrow form twist unclear. "Fly little birds", is what we heard. One last little child in the fields. I shiver, I shudder, I surrender, I yield. There is no scarecrow to my lord I swear. "Fly little birds", a whisper I heard.
See that’s so much better. A more stable meter, a better rhyme scheme. And a neat Poe vibe to it. Good job.
Leetri (EUW)
: Do you want to get a headache and nausea every time you play Fiddlesticks? That's an easy way to effectively delete a champion from the game. There's off-putting and then there's _off-putting_.
I don't play jungle. But, honestly, considering he's being pitched as the greatest ambush mage in the game, yeah I would kinda like to know that the asshole ganking me is also in at least a little discomfort.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VdlG380Q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-26T06:20:52.637+0000) > > Four little children running through the fields > Laughing, dancing, not careful where they tread > Run past the scarecrow with a friendly smile > Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said > > Three little children running through the fields > Singing, shouting, follow where the birds led > Run past the scarecrow its arms stretched far > Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said > > Two little children running through the fields > Searching worrying yet they only could find red > Run past the scarecrow its mouth open wide > Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said > > One little child left running through the fields > Screaming crying overwhelmed with dread > Run past the scarecrow its laughter in his ear > I have you little bird, is what the scarecrow said I have you little shit, is what the quote/meme stealer said.
You can't steal what is freely given. Though feel free to iterate. I don't think it's a smooth as it could be.
: Wait a minute..
I understand the confusion but they’re actually completely different. One is a spear, the other an arrow.
Zeanix (OCE)
: Can someone please make a Fiddlesticks nursery rhyme!
Four little children running through the fields Laughing, dancing, not careful where they tread Run past the scarecrow with a friendly smile Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said Three little children running through the fields Singing, shouting, follow where the birds led Run past the scarecrow its arms stretched far Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said Two little children running through the fields Searching worrying but only found red Run past the scarecrow its mouth open wide Fly my little birds, is what the scarecrow said One little child left running through the fields Screaming crying overwhelmed with dread Run past the scarecrow its laughter in his ear I have you little bird, is what the scarecrow said
: yes
Just gonna point out: "Turns out that having a cacophony of random people saying things at you is extremely off putting in a gameplay environment (for the player as well as their opponents) Whoops." Why whoops? Extremely off putting sounds exactly like what Fiddlesticks should be. That is the single most twisted cool thing in the entire write up.
: Characters with sad origins
While Pantheon’s origins are unknown and more than likely to be rage inducing rather than sad. The story of his meat suit, Atreus, is heartbreaking.
usul1202 (NA)
: I just.... can't see him as a magical girl. dark star seems a mite more likely. (Also have 0 interest in seeing urgod in a skirt, but that's just me)
You take that back. Urgot would be the best magical girl.
usul1202 (NA)
: How would you skin the unskinnables?
There is only Star Guardian Urgot. His knees shoot out rainbows and glitter. His ult would be a carebear heart blasting out to force his enemies to come in for a hug. And every line of dialogue is altered to be incredibly inspiring and motivation but delivered in the same deep asthmatic tone he currently has.
: Do you play ornn? If not stop talking about him. Like none of the recent skin lines make sense for him or do you actually think project ornn would look good since it's would not.
I would gladly add Ornn to my list of characters who need a Star Guardian skin along with Urgot.
: Urgot. Not focused on some other character with Urgot as the villain. I want a cinematic about Urgot being Urgot doing Urgot things. 1-3 minutes of pure body horror Saw-like traps and death.
I also want to see a simple scene. Swain and Darius sitting at a map and discussing strategy in some war. Have the two play off each other, as they figure out the right tactics. Only for Darius to start arguing what is best for the campaign and his soldiers and slowly coming to the realization that Swain doesn't care about that and angling for something completely different.
: What Champions would you like to see featured if Riot created a new Cinematic?
Urgot. Not focused on some other character with Urgot as the villain. I want a cinematic about Urgot being Urgot doing Urgot things. 1-3 minutes of pure body horror Saw-like traps and death.
: what is your favourite skin line?
The Winged Hussar skin line. What’s that I hear you say? There’s only one Winged Hussar skin so it can’t be a skin line. You fool, we just have yet to wait for the Winged Hussars to arrive. Soon enough there will be many Winged Hussar skins. Winged Hussar Lux, Jinx, Miss Fortune, Riven, and Yasuo will obviously be getting Winged Hussar skins. But some that would surprise you, Winged Hussar Illaoi and Ivern will finally give those champions some love. I’ve even heard there’s an opposing Janissary skin line in the works with a legendary Mustafa Bard skin.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=n9h9I9UH,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-19T03:33:48.911+0000) > > If they keep the whole Pantheon is a space parasite that takes over people as meat suits thing, then I think it would be important to see the face of his suit. > > Reminds you what a fucking horrible thing Pantheon is doing. I guess that's 1 way to look at it, reading Pantheon like a classic body snatcher horror. I mean, that's kinda the premise of Aspects in the first place. But I was thinking that Pantheon's face would be arbitrarily obscured because of the irrelevance of the body and their former identity in relation to the current guy in the driving seat; so that people wouldn't be looking at it and say "Pantheon's face" because that's NOT his face, nor does he himself see it that way given he sees the bodies as nothing but temporary hosts to pilot. As such, the face of the original holder can also get a burial of sort for them in a poetic sense. EDIT: After all, body snatchers usually at least act out the previous hosts' lives to some extent after snatching their bodies, given body snatcher's themes are often rooted in deception. Meanwhile Pantheons takes it over and just off to do his own thing, since he didn't do it for deception, but only because he needed a good pair of limbs. So I think it's still slightly different in the thematic to the body snatcher in a sense but hey.
That is the premise of the Aspects. Which is why I started calling them space parasites. Because their entire shtick is they steal some or all of their hosts autonomy. And that is terrifying. Trying to gloss over that or make it seem nice or friendly is kinda horrible. Showing the players how horrible it is is a step in the right direction.
: could we get an ETA on rework pantheon now that one of his texture maps have been leaked
Well the reveal is because they released PBE stuff too early. So the ETA would be whenever the next big PBE update would be. When is that? A week? Two tops?
SEKAI (OCE)
: Can someone get to them ASAP and tell them that revealing Pantheon's face is a mistake? It's NOT EVEN "Pantheon's face". It's the face of the poor sod Pantheon just completely takes over without a single care of their original identity/character. Not even like all the other Aspects that leave the original character largely untouched by fusing with them, or in the case of Taric, simply gives him the whole driving seat while the Asepct themselves remain an observer. Can we at least, in a sense, give the original person a "proper burial" by covering up that face in some way, instead of constantly showing their face and their opening eyes? That's fucked.
If they keep the whole Pantheon is a space parasite that takes over people as meat suits thing, then I think it would be important to see the face of his suit. Reminds you what a fucking horrible thing Pantheon is doing.
: I saw this on S@20 (who I believe got it from reddit) for context on his face: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93a4af66581b5a65129b85ab4aa22f4519a711839cf89ea8b0997556ae322446.jpg?w=800&h=367
As someone who is nothing but pessimistic about the upcoming rework. That’s actually not bad. You get the faceless soldier almost stormtrooperesque to play up soulless machine or war, only to see in his death and points of relaxation there’s a real living human under there.
: Dragonslayer Pantheon Chroma Texture Update (Pantheon VGU?)
Hmm, so we're gonna see his face. Ralanr ain't gonna like that. Other notes, if that's what Atreus will look like in his base skin he seems to have really aged up. Unless they're going to retcon some stuff, or they're skipping years into the future, in the lore he's like 19 or 20 or something.
: Why not make dragons not random
Personally, I liked the idea someone had that dragons are in a set order, say, for example, Cloud, Fire, Mountain, Water or whatever they are. But each game randomizes which one comes out first. One game may be as above, the next might start Mountain, then go Water, Cloud, Fire. The next game may start Fire then go Mountain, Water, Cloud. And so on. After all have been killed the next one is Elder. Or, if the dragon hasn't been killed by some time limit they are replaced by Elder. All dragons not killed in the rotation are lost for good.
Chillee (NA)
: Some Pantheon Questions For Riot
1) when the Pantheon lore came out there was a decent sized group who disliked it, myself included. The treatment of Atreus being one major point of criticism. Probably as a means of just shutting us all up Rioter Jaredan posted “Atreus story is not finished.” So I’d be doubtful he’s getting killed and replaced. It would make his whole lore pointless. Plus the line about one man standing up against the gods makes it seem less likely were just getting more of arguably the worst of the gods continuing to be an ass. 2) He’ll probably look more like an Aspect. We do not know for certain, but we have seen details on his spear in the teaser. It has gone from an oversized but roughly proportional dory spearhead to some strange trident thing with a gaping hole at the point of connection between spearhead and shaft. Since this is frankly a terrible design for a weapon, I think it’s safe to say they’re going to go a bit more space nonsense with the design. They do seem to be keeping the ripped cloak though. Which I like. It makes him look like he actually fights for a living. 3) I don’t know. On the one hand, the joke would likely no longer make sense. On the other there’s a whole skin that only makes sense because of the joke. But then back to that first hand, do skins need to make sense? One of his skins is just He-Man. Why? Because! Really this one is a tossup.
: > [{quoted}](name=Nekorus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=s53aQXA7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-17T02:13:50.080+0000) > > well reworks are a nightmare for me because I lost 3 champions because of it. Nunu,Aatrox and mordekaiser i used to play the old versions of. I got perm banned twice for toxicity so dont try to frame me in my match history of never playing these champs. Nobody cares about your sob story shit. Literally nobody. Especially not OP. Funny how people who get all salty about reworks are the ones who tend to get permabanned.
I’m salty about reworks and thus far I’ve yet to be even reprimanded.
: > [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=QugBryLw,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-07-14T21:48:07.130+0000) > > If anything we need MORE sexuality. Am I the only one that wonders what Urgot's into? How does Nautilus like to get nauty?? New skin: **Naughty-lus.** I'll leave the rest to the reader's imagination as it's no doubt not board appropriate.
Anyone else picture Nautilus doing that silly coppertone sunscreen pose? Just me?
aus102 (NA)
: Is sexuality necessary in a MOBA?
Personally? I don’t care about a character’s sexuality. Honestly the ubiquitous romance in fiction is always the most boring part of any story I read. However, I would say if the goal of a creator is to get a wide variety of people emotionally attached to your characters, then yes, exploring sexuality is -if not completely necessary, very useful. Romance is a large part in most people’s lives. To create the illusion of life in your characters they should express traits outside their basic function. To take a character I absolutely love: Tywin Lannister. I am fascinated by his political mind and mastery of the game. But he would not be a tenth of the character he is without his mounting hatred and disappointment in his children. The characters in LoL need to be the same, if they want to get people to become interested in them. And sexuality is a very easy and popular means of doing this. There’s a reason romance is one of the most popular and profitable genres in fiction.
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=YFjR6hP3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-13T22:57:01.221+0000) > > Well it’s a bit more complicated. Is Julius Caesar a hero? > > He (was in the process) of getting rid of a corrupt institution that pretty much solely exploited the lower class. And was in a cycle of political instability followed by brutal and ever more aggressive murder sprees. > > By that measure he’s a hero. > > He also gained the wealth and prestige to do that by purposely committed genocide in Gaul, twice. > > By that measure he’s a villain. > > Right now we’re watching Swain doing things that can be seen as positive. But we haven’t yet got a good look at how he did it. Tbh this post was meant for several things, the most important being memes. I didn't actually mean that Swain is a hero I wanted to show that he actually isn't because doing a few good things doesn't automatically excuse the rest, because if we go by that even Aatrox would be considered a hero
Oh, sorry I was unfamiliar with this new joke. Please carry on.
: Swain's a hero
Well it’s a bit more complicated. Is Julius Caesar a hero? He (was in the process) of getting rid of a corrupt institution that pretty much solely exploited the lower class. And was in a cycle of political instability followed by brutal and ever more aggressive murder sprees. By that measure he’s a hero. He also gained the wealth and prestige to do that by purposely committed genocide in Gaul, twice. By that measure he’s a villain. Right now we’re watching Swain doing things that can be seen as positive. But we haven’t yet got a good look at how he did it.
: 1. Obviously First of all MORE IXTAL 2. Then more Bandle City because the last lore "update" for it was pretty sad. We learned almost nothing new about it and Riot promised they were going to deep dive on it or at least tell us more about the nature of Bandle City, Yordles and the magic that surrounds them. This didn't happen so we need more THIS YEAR. 3. Shurima, Modern Day Shurima. Azir taking back his Empire, Nasus finding his long lost brother, where Sivir and Taliyah are going next. WHERE THE F*** IS MY BOI RAMMUS All of this has been left hanging in favor of The Void, Icathia and The Darkin. People then go on to say that there is too much Shurima in the lore but really there is no Shurima, just the stuff that originated in Shurima gets a focus. 4. I really really want to see more Targon, learn not just about the celestials, but the Solari, Rakkor and Lunari and stories of everyday religious shenanigans. Proselytizing, Retributive Pogroms and Crazy all-out Fanatism. I want it to get WH40k up in here. For the God Emperor, Praise the Sun, By Azura By Azura By Azura levels of religious devotion. I actually want this above all things, but because Pantheon is coming next we know Targon lore is coming so there is no need to push on it. Hopefully we can shed more light on Celestial Aspects themselves if Pantheon remains Paantheon. If he becomes Atreus maybe less so, but a quest for him too align the Solari, Lunari and Rakkor against the space parasite menace in the sky (or A Sol, the mans been stuck in transit for like 4 years now) would be dope. Yes pls. (Anything but Demacia right now it's getting a bit too much love)
Agreed about aligning the people against the space parasites. That’d be sweet.
: Top: {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} Mid: {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} Jungle: {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} ADC: {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} Support: {{champion:80}} {{champion:80}} Pantheon is pretty much a god in every lane.
Good man. I avoid playing Jung and ADC in general, but yeah this. He's so much fun against a lot of modern champions. Oh you have 3 jumps in your kit? Fuck you eat spear.
: Why do people defend autofill?
Well way back when there was a thing called Teambuilder or something. And while just going in alone you would find a match to any spot of yours relatively quickly, if you were duo-ing it was more common than not that the wait times would be about 10 minutes between games. Then if someone left during champ select you'd be stuck in the whole process again. Now, when this system was in place games were about 10-15 minutes longer on average. So even if you wait 10 minutes, you're getting a good 45 minute game to play in. Less than 20% of your time is waiting. Now the games are faster so, in theory, the goal is to get players cycling into these 20-30 minute games faster. So even if you do get stuck in a position you don't want, you're only wasting 20 minutes of everyone's life rather than having to wait those 10 minutes between every single game, which would be 1/3 of your total play time. Now personally, I preferred getting my position and having longer less frequent games with the option of playing Dominion when I wanted a faster game. But Dominion is dead, SR is ridiculously quick, and positions are not guaranteed. So as a consequence I don't really play SR anymore unless a friend wishes to play. But I do not expect my experience to be the same as everyone else.
Grumpig (NA)
: With Riot currently doing world building for Runeterra, what place would you like to see get more?
: The hat thing is spot on sadly... {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
Now I will say, despite my criticisms. The worldbuilding is getting better. I may not care about the Mage Problem personally, but it is exploring intricacies of Demacia in a way Riot hasn’t really done to any of the other settings. If only the anti-mage bias wasn’t handled in a weird massively shifting fashion leading up to the event it could have been really good.
: It's average. It pales next to Witcher or Andromeda series (first 3 not dat Andromeda sjw bullshit) Good for teenage kids but not that good for older and experienced audience
Yeah, maybe it’s because I read more than game, but nothing in Runeterra has really wowed me. It’s fine, better than some worlds I’ve read about. But to me the world doesn’t fit together particularly well and the different areas are only a step or two above “world of hats” level.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MGbnYxYu,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-10T20:52:30.736+0000) > > Personally, I think making Garen a mage would drastically cheapen his eventual shift in ideology to understanding and not persecuting mages. Learning not to persecute others is a hard but ultimately beautiful shift in one’s mentality. Learning that you are that so they can’t be bad because you’re good just makes his shift caused by selfishness. And Garen should have many flaws, but selfish should not be one of them. That would simply be a case of bad writing in such an arc, not the inevitable outcome of it. I would hope that Riot wouldn't go that route; it would be drastically OOC. Garen might be overly zealous, but he's not hypocritical. Being in denial isn't the same thing. He's not a Tautological Templar; that should be saved for God-King Garen only.
Here’s the thing. If he learns to accept mages after learning he is one, then that will always be a part of his decision making process. Maybe not the biggest, or the most important, but definitely a part. And I think that would weaken his character instead of improving him.
Rodsquad (EUW)
: What champions have their appearance mentioned by another?
Urgot to Camille: I’ve always had a thing for (overlong perverse breath) legs.
EdgeLady (NA)
: Let's talk about the big armored Demacian in the room
Personally, I think making Garen a mage would drastically cheapen his eventual shift in ideology to understanding and not persecuting mages. Learning not to persecute others is a hard but ultimately beautiful shift in one’s mentality. Learning that you are that so they can’t be bad because you’re good just makes his shift caused by selfishness. And Garen should have many flaws, but selfish should not be one of them.
: What is the best designed skin?
Winged Hussar Xin Zhao. If only the splash art didn’t have that silly Pegasus.
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=A5RGYV5A,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-07-10T12:44:21.044+0000) > > Hey man this is really good. But it has a few assumptions that don’t actually hold true to historic military equipment. Since this is a fantasy setting you can ignore it if you want. But I’ll go on my ramble anyway. > > First point desert warriors can have pretty heavy armor. Mamluks, cataphracts, and janissaries were all about has heavily armored as their European equivalents. The difference is more in how the armor is styled. Because you are right steel in the sun will cook you. But cover the steel with cloth and you’re mostly safe. The real determining factor is the development of cities and/or whether they have trade with places that utilize heavier armor. The Egyptians created their own very heavily armored warriors, while people like the Mongols traded with the Chinese and Rus for their armor. > > Second point, that’s a common misconception, armor slows you down some as it adds 20-50 lbs on your body. But shields, especially larger shields slow you down more. As it’s putting 10 to 15 lbs directly on one arm, effectively dragging the user down. But you need some form of defense or if your army ever does meet another in a pitched battle you’ll be destroyed. About the armor part, yes, but I was also trying to offer Shurima some unique features to differentiate them from other region's armies. And I thought mobility and precision would be the best. And yeah shields are kinda necessary. Also, if you can show me an image of a heavly armored egyptian I'd be very thankfull (maybe I can draw inspiration to make some concepts about heavy troops although I think they would be rare)
Early modern Mamluk https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Ottoman_Mamluk_horseman_circa_1550.jpg High medieval Mamluk (the ones with spears, should be noted their mail is covered in cloth) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/BattleOfHoms1299.JPG/800px-BattleOfHoms1299.JPG
: Shuriman mortal army equipment: Concepts, ideas, and what we know so far
Hey man this is really good. But it has a few assumptions that don’t actually hold true to historic military equipment. Since this is a fantasy setting you can ignore it if you want. But I’ll go on my ramble anyway. First point desert warriors can have pretty heavy armor. Mamluks, cataphracts, and janissaries were all about has heavily armored as their European equivalents. The difference is more in how the armor is styled. Because you are right steel in the sun will cook you. But cover the steel with cloth and you’re mostly safe. The real determining factor is the development of cities and/or whether they have trade with places that utilize heavier armor. The Egyptians created their own very heavily armored warriors, while people like the Mongols traded with the Chinese and Rus for their armor. Second point, that’s a common misconception, armor slows you down some as it adds 20-50 lbs on your body. But shields, especially larger shields slow you down more. As it’s putting 10 to 15 lbs directly on one arm, effectively dragging the user down. But you need some form of defense or if your army ever does meet another in a pitched battle you’ll be destroyed.
Nithke (EUW)
: Well if i reckon for honor had the same kind of problem actually, with some spear characters being op or something.
Sort of. It’s not about range though it’s about bashes. With one exception parrying any attack results in the same punishes regardless of weapon length so short sword guy has fair odds against longspear girl. But some characters do not have the tools in their kit to punish bashes. So they’re basically considered useless.
: Top lane is for everyone! Mage/Support/ADC/Whatever... Everyone can play top, because there is no, and there should be no rules against who can go where! Stop with the mentality of "Ugggh top lane is only for meelee fighters and everything else is OP there!". If you want a fair balanced dueling game where every hero is melee, go play For Honor.
In what world is For Honor fair and balanced? I mean don’t get me wrong I love the game. But the characters very neatly divide into: can punish bashes on read, and cannot punish bashes on read. With the latter being trash tier.
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