: I left League about 4 years ago because I couldn't get over how toxic the majority of players were at the time. I stopped playing Ranked after someone told me to go hang myself for not playing top the way they wanted me to. I jumped back on to play League after a 4 year break because I hoped that the League (specifically, NA) community would have matured or would have become less toxic. I was very wrong, and it has remained as toxic, if not even more toxic than when I left 4 years ago. Here is a prime example of what I tend to experience on a daily basis in NA League. https://imgur.com/a/jQoEPjO I like your ideal solution, but it's an impossible task to do. I've also tried being nice to people ingame after they insulted me, only to get told to kill myself (the link is the game where I was told this by the Blitz player on my team). I'm pretty sure that this toxicity problem and the mentality of League players will never be solved by Riot, or anyone on this forum. The problem isn't on Riot's end, because I've seen that they've at least instituted better checkpoints and ways to make people less problematic, but the problem is the community itself. Many of the toxic people in the game were probably raised by parents with poor parenting skills. The kids have been raised to think that they need instant gratification rather than treating others with respect. League is already a game designed to bring out competition and competitive people, but the only problem is that is that: It brings out all types of competitive people, even the toxic ones.
> [{quoted}](name=A Fish With Legs,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2uh0Q7Ax,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-07-26T07:02:26.331+0000) > > I left League about 4 years ago because I couldn't get over how toxic the majority of players were at the time. I stopped playing Ranked after someone told me to go hang myself for not playing top the way they wanted me to. > > I jumped back on to play League after a 4 year break because I hoped that the League (specifically, NA) community would have matured or would have become less toxic. I was very wrong, and it has remained as toxic, if not even more toxic than when I left 4 years ago. Here is a prime example of what I tend to experience on a daily basis in NA League. > > https://imgur.com/a/jQoEPjO > > I like your ideal solution, but it's an impossible task to do. I've also tried being nice to people ingame after they insulted me, only to get told to kill myself (the link is the game where I was told this by the Blitz player on my team). I'm pretty sure that this toxicity problem and the mentality of League players will never be solved by Riot, or anyone on this forum. The problem isn't on Riot's end, because I've seen that they've at least instituted better checkpoints and ways to make people less problematic, but the problem is the community itself. > > Many of the toxic people in the game were probably raised by parents with poor parenting skills. The kids have been raised to think that they need instant gratification rather than treating others with respect. League is already a game designed to bring out competition and competitive people, but the only problem is that is that: It brings out all types of competitive people, even the toxic ones. Riot could do better. Perma bans dont solve anything and just make people angrier. The people who are playing League are the people who like playing League. Banning an account doesnt magicly make the player who makes a new account change their behavior, it just makes them play on a new account with no skins, no champs, and nothing to lose. So saying "i hope your family burns to death" has an easier time being communicated if the loss of the account isnt that big of a deal. In fact people making new accounts and coming back having lost all their time and money probably makes them want to make the game a worse place in an attempt to get back at Riot. Sure that may not work, but it doesnt mean people dont have a chip on their shoulder when their account is banned. Account banning doesnt fix behavior, its just like a parent taking toys away, then giving them back, then burning the toys the second time... This takes the leverage away form controlling the childs behavior and just makes the child resentful. The player base of this game is the player base of this game, clearly Riots not controlling toxcicity, but I think theyre contributing to it with the perma bans. After all, some of those players spend RP to replace the things lost on banned accounts. I think they care less about reform and more about profit. Maybe Im wrong, but burning the kids toys instead of "time out" isnt something Id suggest as a behavior modification technique. The way for reform is seasonal bans. This gives players a chance to eventually get their account working again, and the time between gives them a chance to grow up. Perma banning accounts just puts them in a "nothing to lose" state of mind.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >So which is it? Can I or cant I? it's not recommended but if you must, you can... without being a jerk >Where in that chat am I "being a jerk" to someone >Weasel Kensei: weve lost already, our adc is a toxic child >Weasel Kensei: told you theyre trying to throw the game and blame me, its typical toxic kid stuff... just have to move past it calling other players "kids" is not ok >Weasel Kensei: stuf 1/5 (constantly accusing me of intentionally feeding, maybe I shouldnt have, but I referred to their KDA to give them a dose of reality on the feeder in the lane) score shaming is not ok >Weasel Kensei: im allowd to leave a lane to help others when the one im in is trolling (they were picking up healing shrines at full health just to throw the game, so I roamed mid and invaded with our jg, and of course they whined in all chat about not having a support. I can't win here, theyre throwing, and blaming me for not sitting in the lane theyre trying to throw) Weasel Kensei: its not bannable (guess it is) no it's not. that's not the issue >Weasel Kensei: xay, if one of us will get punished Weasel Kensei: its you variations of "enjoy the ban" is by far the most frequent thing we see in punished people's chatlogs >(wrong again, guess begging for reports works) nope >Weasel Kensei: like legin mental problems Weasel Kensei: *legit (less mental problems and more social maladjustment issues, but they definitely have some kind of problem) i'm guessing this is the straw that broke the camel's back >Weasel Kensei: ok, i win matches and get honors Weasel Kensei: all the time (I do, but this ONE game is the entire suspension chat log provided to me... just even responding to a troll gets you punished.) fyi your honor level doesn't reflect your sportsmanship. it's just eye candy. nothing more
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ploQdAqW,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-26T06:50:01.915+0000) > > it's not recommended but if you must, you can... without being a jerk > > calling other players "kids" is not ok > (constantly accusing me of intentionally feeding, maybe I shouldnt have, but I referred to their KDA to give them a dose of reality on the feeder in the lane) > > score shaming is not ok > (they were picking up healing shrines at full health just to throw the game, so I roamed mid and invaded with our jg, and of course they whined in all chat about not having a support. I can't win here, theyre throwing, and blaming me for not sitting in the lane theyre trying to throw) > Weasel Kensei: its not bannable > (guess it is) > > no it's not. that's not the issue > Weasel Kensei: its you > > variations of "enjoy the ban" is by far the most frequent thing we see in punished people's chatlogs > > nope > Weasel Kensei: *legit > (less mental problems and more social maladjustment issues, but they definitely have some kind of problem) > > i'm guessing this is the straw that broke the camel's back > Weasel Kensei: all the time > (I do, but this ONE game is the entire suspension chat log provided to me... just even responding to a troll gets you punished.) > > fyi your honor level doesn't reflect your sportsmanship. it's just eye candy. nothing more Well all I can really say is if this is so vile, I really hope you never have to put up with anyone who responds to trolls or argues with their accusations, I just hope you get the people like this player that was attacking me. Im sure the caliber of games will improve so much for you and everyone else if we can just punish all the people who talk back to griefers and liers making accusations in chat. One of the reasons this game is so toxic is people condemn people for being rude to trolls instead of people trying to start fights. One of your statements in particular needs addressing... "**variations of "enjoy the ban" is by far the most frequent thing we see in punished people's chatlogs**" "Enjoy the ban" was what I was responding to when I said that it would probably be them getting punished as they said it several times, once as the enemy team was hitting the nexus, and twice when in post game as the repeatedly begged for me to be reported for intent feeding... an accusation that started after my first death and was repeated in team and all chat several times. So Iv got someone telling me to "enjoy my ban" and saying to them that I suspect they will be punished based on constant report threats, and report begging, and lies being novelized in chat makes ME the problem. I mean this is the perfect system for trolls... Start lying, argue, get people punished, apologist agree you should be punished for not being polite to trolls.
IrvenM (NA)
: Griefing and Trolling/AFK's in Leauge
Riot punishment philosophy/scenario: A horrible person who enjoys the suffering of others in all kinds of ways gets on a crowded bus. They crap their pants just so other have to smell it. They see the looks on peoples faces as they twist in disgust of the stink. The other passengers looking about see that one person is in fact smiling. As the glares begin to collect upon the horrible person, they begin to giggle slowly and very low... One outraged person stands up and points their finger at the horrible person and blurts out "You smell like shit! It would be better for you to get hit by a bus than get on one and stink it up asshole." Rito buslines bans the outraged person who was so rude to tell someone they smell like shit, and suggest they be injured via bus... the horrible person said nothing, and many Rito buslines appologist suggest that if you dont like bad smells plug your nose, the horrible person continues to ride the bus.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: you can defend yourself just fine without being a jerk to other people
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ploQdAqW,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-26T06:20:04.919+0000) > > you can defend yourself just fine without being a jerk to other people So your first post says "Theres no such thing as self defense in chat" in bold letters no less, and now youre saying "you can defend yourself just fine without being a jerk." So which is it? Can I or cant I? Its almost like youre that player in the match thats just saying "stuff" at me even if it contradicts your other statement just to try to get at me... Assuming youre not just trying to troll me. Where in that chat am I "being a jerk" to someone who is constantly making accusations of me and asking for me to be reported, and harassment pinging me? Honestly at this point I just have to believe youre a troll apologist. If someone were to crap themselves on a bus just so other people would have to smell it, and someone said "You smell like shit, I hope you suffer from constipation for the next week!" You would be saying that the person who is impolite should be punished for saying they smell like shit?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: I hate to break it to you but **there's no such thing as self defense in chat**. You're not in danger from people's chat and typing back doesn't protect you from anything. The only thing in danger is your **ego**. Muting is the actual self-defense.
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ploQdAqW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-26T05:43:45.912+0000) > > I hate to break it to you but **there's no such thing as self defense in chat**. You're not in danger from people's chat and typing back doesn't protect you from anything. The only thing in danger is your **ego**. Muting is the actual self-defense. So saying ANYTHING is punishable... If someone is making false claims, and I argue otherwise Im just concerned about my ego and should be punished?
: If you want folks to weigh in on what your punishment is, then you should show us what you typed in game. Your commentary has no bearing on whether or not a punishment was warranted.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ploQdAqW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-26T05:48:26.500+0000) > > If you want folks to weigh in on what your punishment is, then you should show us what you typed in game. Your commentary has no bearing on whether or not a punishment was warranted. What I typed is shown. I hit the copy button, pasted. Offered context. If youre saying I shouldnt comment (offer context) on it, thats fine I guess, but it is shown. One games chat log is there. That was the only text to copy, no other games.
: > [{quoted}](name=TheEvilQueen135,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2uh0Q7Ax,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-25T20:03:01.139+0000) > > the thing they get out of not being toxic/reforming is that they get to keep their account and that they can get rewards but apparently that's not enough. you're right many people are selfish and prideful and think that they're entitled and above the terms and conditions :( Speaking from both personal experience and having seen others not give a shit I can confirm that losing rewards/your entire account hardly means anything to a toxic player who intends to keep playing. To use myself as an example I had over $1k USD spent on Captain Lito before it got banned a year or so ago, didn't stop me from getting banned on three more accounts before I got my head out of the gutter. People will just assume that Riot is wrong, make a new account & damage the new player experience while slowly working to reclaim what they had. It really isn't much of a loss at all.
> [{quoted}](name=ShinodaChan,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2uh0Q7Ax,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-07-25T20:06:38.137+0000) > > Speaking from both personal experience and having seen others not give a shit I can confirm that losing rewards/your entire account hardly means anything to a toxic player who intends to keep playing. To use myself as an example I had over $1k USD spent on Captain Lito before it got banned a year or so ago, didn't stop me from getting banned on three more accounts before I got my head out of the gutter. People will just assume that Riot is wrong, make a new account & damage the new player experience while slowly working to reclaim what they had. It really isn't much of a loss at all. I personally think if they really wanted to "reform" players they would use what works. "Time out" and "Carrot and Stick" Time out is shown to be one of the most effective ways to deal with children. In league we have those somewhat but they go one step further; carrot (rewards), then stick (chat ban), stick (suspension), execution (perma ban). I personally think the perma ban is a ploy to rob people of the accounts they spent money on and hope they spend money on another account selling to them twice (RP for buying their favorite champs/skins). Even if you dont think it has any financial incentive in this draconian punishment system, it still would have much more leverage to season ban players after repeated bad behavior, then let them come back to their account with all the stuff. As it is, its like a parent taking away a video game console from a kid for week, then getting fed up and just smashing it with a hammer in front of them. Now armed with a fresh account (and nothing to lose) they have no reason to reform, and surprise Rito, the people getting banned are still the people coming back to play more, just with less attachment to the new account. More likely to throw that new account on the ground they are free to be as toxic as they want.... Now if people could come back to their account next season (and say have 6 months to mature/grow up) then that would be a way to reform players. Now sure with seasonal bans they can still fire up a new account the next day and be toxic, but eventually they will get their main account back and have a chance to learn their lesson, the chance to choose between another seasonal time out or their collection of champs and skins. As it is Rito is just cycling out a portion of the player base onto new accounts they have less attachment to... its no wonder the game has a toxicity problem. People with nothing to lose who are pissed they just lost a lot of time and money pouring back into the game with a chip on their shoulder.
: I feel like that's a strange take on chat. Players not communicating at all? Out of fear? I can't think of the last time I'd played a game where nothing was typed or pinged/emoted. That being said, your best tool to show folks that you shouldn't be afraid to chat is...well you. As long as you're chatting in a good way, others will too.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=REQE2x1W,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-26T02:16:56.071+0000) > > I feel like that's a strange take on chat. Players not communicating at all? Out of fear? I can't think of the last time I'd played a game where nothing was typed or pinged/emoted. > > That being said, your best tool to show folks that you shouldn't be afraid to chat is...well you. As long as you're chatting in a good way, others will too. You cant think of the last time where "Nothing" was typed I can believe. Does that mean "Everyone" typed something? I got a perma ban, my fault for getting baited by trolls. Im never chatting again. Its all either pointless or the point is to bait you. If those are the two options pointless/bait and the result is damage to your account why even chat at all? If I meet new player to League I tell them "Never chat, play your best, you cant get punished. Play your best and rage chat once at a troll and you just hurt your account. Dont chat." As for this games draconian punishment system, the best result show with children is time out. The game should have seasonal bans, no permenant bans. It would serve the same effect of taking the account away (just not forever), but truly giving them the opportunity to reform; not just avoid punishment. Scorched Earth perma bans just make people get new accounts and want to take revenge on the system, or like me just avoid chat (and never spend another dime on the game). My chat log is in another thread, no swearing, just bothering to defend myself. The worst thing I said was "stfu 1/5" in defense to them repeatedly asking for me to be reported for intent feeding. So while you see "someone" typing in every game, its not "everyone" and I have to assume that many of those people are like me and scared to have anything in the bait box known as League chat.
Rioter Comments
Sparkle (NA)
: If there's one thing I've learned as an Experience Designer and resident person-who-cares-too-much-about-tooltips, it's that you can't make people read things. You mention making players check a box like Terms of Service pop ups - but how many folks actually read Terms of Service pop ups? I agree that we could do more to raise the prominence of patch notes if we wanted so players could more easily find them in the client etc - but I'm sorry to say I don't actually think that would solve the problem you're describing.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EoIMF7E,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-01-26T16:54:46.575+0000) > > If there's one thing I've learned as an Experience Designer and resident person-who-cares-too-much-about-tooltips, it's that you can't make people read things. > > You mention making players check a box like Terms of Service pop ups - but how many folks actually read Terms of Service pop ups? > > I agree that we could do more to raise the prominence of patch notes if we wanted so players could more easily find them in the client etc - but I'm sorry to say I don't actually think that would solve the problem you're describing. You are correct... you cannot make people read things. You can make them say "I purposely ignored information I was made aware of that I could have looked into, and its my fault I dont know stuff." Forcing people to take responsibility for their willful ignorance is one of the first steps to get them to stop being willfully ignorant.
: i just see people just being annoyed by a random popup and just ignoring it entirely
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EoIMF7E,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-01-25T22:38:14.628+0000) > > i just see people just being annoyed by a random popup and just ignoring it entirely They already ignore it... forcing them to willfully disregard the patch notes, and slap them out of their way to rush into a match and grief people with their ignorance will at least will be something they remember when someone in a match says "read patch notes dipsht!" As it is, they make no effort to inform themselves. This would just take a small effort to continue to ignore patch notes, and force them to admit they dont really care about winning, and just want to get carried.
: > [{quoted}](name=KoreanEzMode,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u6R6V7xE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-25T15:10:27.597+0000) > > ^Voted indeed, I've had this issue before too riot, by minute 10 I had {{item:1056}} {{item:2003}} {{item:3070}} {{item:1028}} {{item:3113}} {{item:1026}} Which, granted is rare but it happens, and i had to wait to complete my {{item:3027}} before I could buy the boots. What in the world were you even trying to build???
> [{quoted}](name=xShapoopy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u6R6V7xE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-01-25T16:14:35.936+0000) > > What in the world were you even trying to build??? Obviously they were trying to build a solid path to Bronze 3... duh.
Rioter Comments
SukebanA (NA)
: Random Qs from a Noob
You mean Newb... cause thats what you call people who are new at things. A noob is someone who talks about things like their an expert, when they dont really know what theyre talking about. An example; a newb says "Why would Ezreal build a tear, wont that make his early game bad?" A noob says "Why would you ever build a tear on Ezreal, hes an ADC, build AD, youre so bad!" Anyway, as for roaming. Yeah, once that first tower is down, its really a case by case, match by match basis on when/if/why/how much you try to influence the other lanes. If you have a gold lead, and have some spare time... by all means walk into the enemy jg on an invasion, go down to mid and see if you can make the enemy mid burn their flash. Its a team game, and if you can help put your teammates in a better position, or weaken their opposition, then youre on the right path. Of course the old saying "You can have too much of a good thing" is still true. Spending too much time roaming can let your enemy laner free farm and catch up to you, or even pass you in gold earned. So how much water to you need to wash your hands? Is it the same amount every time? What if you get paint on your hands? Gasoline? Baby poop? It probably takes different amounts of water for different things, and you have to feel it out. Im not trying to get by with a nonanswer, Im just saying you will have to get more experience to know how much is enough, and how much is too much. Good luck with your games, enjoy the adventure, and stop calling yourself a noob... its an insult a younger generation of gamers have been using wrong for a while now.
Rioter Comments
: Try reading between the lines. Obviously the OP cares, the post is trying to make a point.
> [{quoted}](name=Skeletoaster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JbxdllPN,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-01-22T15:26:29.560+0000) > > Try reading between the lines. Obviously the OP cares, the post is trying to make a point. You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it think.
: You said your problem was supports having fat shields that are impossible to burst through. Supports provide those shields so your beef is with them.
> [{quoted}](name=H1 H0w are Ya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbJLM9wc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-23T22:23:12.493+0000) > > You said your problem was supports having fat shields that are impossible to burst through. > > Supports provide those shields so your beef is with them. Id like to point out how you are just arguing, and "not getting it." I play a lot of support, and when I do have a fat shield to put out, it HAS TO GO ON the ADC. If I dont put it on the ADC, then Iv probably lost the teamfight for my team because the ADC is the biggest target cause they do so much damage. I... could shield the assassin, I... maybe could shield the mage, I... perhaps could even shield the tank. Really though, no I cant. The ADC has so much impact that the however many more seconds of life that buys the ADC that increases our chances of clearing the teamfight with an advantage. If supports got nerfed, and their shields wernt as big... well that would just make shielding less popular, and make tank supports that peel (instead of shield) more popular. This is why I say you dont get it. It all revolves around the ADC. Theyre too important. The game has devolved into which jungler can weaken bot then mid enough so that they can get bot tower FB then camp bot into non existence. Team that wins bot pretty much wins the match; and thats not because supports need nerfs. So when someone says "ADC gets fat shields" its not the shields that are the problem, its that there is no choice other than to protect the ADC at all cost cause they are the most influential role. All you see is the shield... I see the thing being shielded and why I make the choice to shield it.
: Swain Doesn’t Have a Cane? Why?
Small but needed derailment. The reworks and changes often shit so hard on things, and why they were the way they were/are. Galio rework. Nothing survived. Galio was deleted, and a new champ with virtualy none of the same mechanics named Galio was introduced. Urgot rework. Nothing survived. Urgot was deleted, and a new champ with virtualy none of the same mechanics named Urgot was introduced. Even smaller things like {{item:3091}} doing 40 magic damage on hit instead of 42 ({{champion:74}} Theres just something about that number). The THING about that number is its the answer to the ultimate question to all things. Its a reference to the book "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy." Both the item name "Wits End" (a place in the book) and its damage number (42) are references, and they just shit on that reference by changing the damage number to 40... So I hate that you will see Swains cane removed, my sympathies, really... but worse than that, it probably will just be some champ named Swain, and they will have not only deleted his lore, but his gameplay also.
Shırø (NA)
: Don't play Jhin in ranked unless you are really good with him please
Jhin... ?? Whats this dont play Jhin in ranked unless you are really good with him shit!?!? DONT FUCKING PLAY ANYTHING YOURE NOT GOOD WITH IN RANKED! The number of dumb as fuck people I see playing a champ for the second or third time in my placements is unreal. Zoe players... I had a match the other day where I did more damage with Bard (NOT BUILDING AP) while the Zoe built full AP (like you would expect) and she did less damage than me... by like 3k, she did around 19k vs my 22k. Yasuo... players... either a Diamond 1 smurf, or Bronze 4 trash-monster every ranked game. Hop on the OP bus Vayne players tumbling into skill shots clown shit blowout!!! The point is, if youre going to play ranked, dont be shit with the thing youre taking into ranked. Play it a little, get the feel, have more than one build youve played... just simply "be ready" for ranked. Jhin... isnt some special case. Shit players shitting the bed with Jhin in ranked is something they will happily do on other champs they dont know how to play well cause they dont give a fuck about being trash and hurting their team. (deep breath).... Dont play ANYTHING you ARE NOT good with in ranked people please...
: That was brittle being procced by Bard ult. His ult didn’t do the damage per se. While your message of too much damage is correct you chose the wrong scenario to convey it.
> [{quoted}](name=JustMonika13,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=odPEsorT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-09T02:06:44.829+0000) > > That was brittle being procced by Bard ult. His ult didn’t do the damage per se. > > While your message of too much damage is correct you chose the wrong scenario to convey it. That too much damage thing was a joke in this case... guess it wasnt hyperbolic _enough_ to be obvious, sorry.
: I think that it was actually the Ornn Brittle effect being proced
> [{quoted}](name=invisiblecat1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=odPEsorT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-09T02:01:34.048+0000) > > I think that it was actually the Ornn Brittle effect being proced Yes, youre probably right, its why I said it may be a bug. Unless Brittle damage is attributed to the person who immobilizes them. Whats even more is he died in stasis from Ornns Brittle, and then it gave me the kill as if it was my damage. Strange outcome, but thanks for looking at it... I know if I hadnt recorded it no one would believe me when I said I got a kill with Bard ult :p
Rioter Comments
: How to climb in silver (rant)
Its true that Riot is sticking A LOT of people who are in no way ready for ranked in mid Silver... and it seems that 51% or greater of them slide downwards after being placed in Silver. For the ones who manage to climb up by actual skill, they will ruin fewer games by being in a low elo cause they will rocket up. The lamers that are in mid silver just get barely carried, for their wins they dont deserve, then get to an MMR where their team cant carry them and fed, tilt, and then start trolling because everyone who has to have them in a match because (somewhat correctly) tells them they dont belong there.
Thilmer (EUW)
: "Ezreal is still broken with several key masteries because the problem is Ezreal"
My thoughts on Clepto was that if there was a 0.25 second delay before it was applied it would still be usable by a lot of champs for what its supposed to do, but wouldnt be busted on Ez.
YokoNomi (NA)
: The core intent of the rune does work oddly in sync with how he is as a champ. Though unfortunately I'm not sure how they'd be able to fix this. I feel like if they were to try to change how Ezreal works with Klepto, it'd potentially involve defacing how he is now in terms of his kit and how he builds in general. I'd rather Klepto not be nerfed into the ground. Klepto on Illaoi is the only joy I have left. D:
> [{quoted}](name=YokoNomi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lXw43FKZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-24T15:32:23.108+0000) > > The core intent of the rune does work oddly in sync with how he is as a champ. Though unfortunately I'm not sure how they'd be able to fix this. I feel like if they were to try to change how Ezreal works with Klepto, it'd potentially involve defacing how he is now in terms of his kit and how he builds in general. > > I'd rather Klepto not be nerfed into the ground. Klepto on Illaoi is the only joy I have left. D: Ez breaks everything because of his stupid on hit Q. They may as well either take it away from him, or stop putting things in the game that he can abuse...
: @Riot Can we finally discuss ranked matchmaking ?
One thing I see happening a lot is the match making will pair up teams where one has 3 people with 51% and up win rates against 3 people with 48% win rates... Any match making system that does that is either picking winners and losers, or is just blindly looking at the MMR statistic in a vacuum. This is in Solo and Flex of course. Whats so frustrating is you may deserve a higher division title, but to earn it you have to play against people of an even higher division than the one youre trying to get too. Then dont forget boosters that come in late in the season, a problem mostly existing because of the freebies handed out for Gold or higher rank...
: Agreed. Flex according to one of my friends is like putting on a blindfold and 360 lobbing random stuff at a wall. And there's your match making process.
> [{quoted}](name=GeminiRune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MNysd3v2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-22T18:34:35.770+0000) > > Agreed. Flex according to one of my friends is like putting on a blindfold and 360 lobbing random stuff at a wall. And there's your match making process. I made Gold this last season, and only Silver 3 in Flex... while passing some time in flex in the last few matches Iv had to support an unranked ADC, and a Bronze 4 ADC... with a 19% win rate. Flex is a dumpster fire of a ranked queue. Its still slightly better than normals, but thats because only SOME of the people in it treat it like normals.
: >Yes, he got hit by 2.... one before he even ulted so that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion of yas ult safety I said that because not only did he get hit with one turret shot, but two so you were incredibly wrong at how you said "puts yasuo outside of turret range". It's sad because you could've just said "how it tries to put yasuo outside of tower range". >The player skill has nothing to do with what were talking about also He knows what he is doing, is what I meant. If the enemy was a teemo closer to the tower, Yasuo is going to be under the tower and not near the edge of the range either. Since the video is showing weird interactions with a tower, he has to avoid putting them closer in order to show the weird interaction. >and he moved to the right. This is yas ult built in turret safety trying to spare him turret damage... it fails, but tries to save him from turret damage as much as possible. The Yasuo can choose where he goes as well. Notice how his cursor is very much below his estimated position the instant he presses R.
You typed... > you said "puts yasuo outside of turret range". It's sad because you could've just said "how it tries to put yasuo outside of tower range". Last sentence of my post you commented on... > You dont have to do anything, Yasuos ult puts him outside of turret range _**if at all possible**_. I really spent 60 seconds looking for a clip where it shows how yas ult moves yasuo for safty, this clip shows the movement but not enough to avoid the turret. You know the point, you just want to argue or some dumb shit I guess. Youre even still on the 2 turret shots when AGAIN one was BEFORE THE FUCKING ULT STARTED and has no bearing in the discussion but you bring it up again... Of course its at this point I realize only the most toxic hair splitting backassward forum troll names themselves yasuo main... I have to stop feeding the trolls.
: Tried testing it out in the sandbox and it seems a bit different from what I remember doing. because I distinctively remember playing him a many months ago where your cursor was where the ult would position you and then it would suspend the local knocked up targets (which is why I was under the impression that there was control). Like I remember making two different plays, one that actually put me on the far side of my enemy under their turret (and I took like two turret shots), and another where I ulted a vayne near a tribush (north of dragon), then E'd through her over a wall (leaving her at 1 hp and both of us very confused) and both of those peculiar plays I distinctively remember my character teleporting to exactly where my cursor was hovered.
I do think you can influence it with the mouse, but only on single targets maybe, and only if the ult cant auto place you outside of a turret. Otherwise it auto targets and avoids turrets when it can is how I think the ability is working. The only benefit that I can imagine for influencing his position is to be on the side of the enemies escape route so you can stick to them easier. But its functionality may change as things change about the champ or the game here and there. I remember last season there was a bug on yasuo that had him getting an extra auto attack immediately after his ult ended adding extra free damage. Maybe there were changes to quick cast that allowed his safety feature to be disabled fully by cursor placement. But to what youre saying I do believe you can affect his placement (to some degree or other) with cursor placement.
: Not only did he get hit by 2 tower shots in that clip but that was a Yasuo Main or atleast a very skilled Yasuo. He was in tower range.
Yes, he got hit by 2.... one before he even ulted so that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion of yas ult safety... why you though to mention it I cant understand other than... Im really not even going to try with this... fisrt tower hit has nothing to do with what were talking about. The player skill has nothing to do with what were talking about also. Two completely pointless things to bring up in the reference to the subject of my post about yasuo being placed outside of turret range if possible. Lastly, yes, he was in turret range, and his ult safety feature placed him at the farthest point from the turret it could. Watch the clip again, in slow motion if need be and notice how the line indicator of yas has him traveling in a straight line till the till the last moment, and he moved to the right. This is yas ult built in turret safety trying to spare him turret damage... it fails, but tries to save him from turret damage as much as possible.
: But.. you got hit with a tower shot
yes... he did, but if you ... read... the last sentence I said it puts him outside of the turret range if at all possible. There it wasnt possible. I should have also mentioned how if it cant, it puts yasuo as far away as possible from the turret. Notice in the video how he is moved to the right? Thats the safest spot for yas since its as far from the turret as he can be.
: Maybe it's only me but from what I've experienced actually playing yasuo, it doesn't put in him turret safety, he actually can decide where he puts himself when he presses R (in a small circle around the target). It's not some anti-noob safety net, it's him using his ult and having a small degree of control in where he put's himself. And I know this since I've used his ult to put me under turret deliberately so it can only be reasoned that players deliberately put themselves outside of turret range.
https://youtu.be/3gHkO4Drpzs?t=38 Heres a video showing how it puts Yasuo outside of turret range, the second clip makes it really obvious... What did you say? > Maybe it's only me but from what I've experienced actually playing yasuo, it doesn't put in him turret safety... Its definitely you. You dont have to do anything, Yasuos ult puts him outside of turret range if at all possible.
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JNR7Z7Is,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-20T20:17:13.868+0000) > > We cannot have vote kick in this game... too many childish morons and trolls will abuse this. > > You dont think for one minute that a duo Q decides that "insert jungler here" isnt META enough they wont try to vote kick? Then when it doesnt go through they wont instantly tilt, or a vote kick retaliation will be started now cause people CAN try to vote kick, but it didnt work everyone is pissed at eachother in the lobby? > > NO! > > Not doing it, community is too toxic for that. > > So consider this. > > Duo Q decides "fuck that guy" for whatever reason. Didnt like his pick, didnt like his ban, demanding he play a tank... whatever. They start a vote kick, and now if either of the two other people in the lobby decide they just dont want to play in a match with someone who is pissed a vote kick was started against them, or with two people who are pissed their vote kick didnt go through they hit yes and someone now has a 5 minute penalty for wanting to play Teemo top... sound like something that can happen? I hope you only play META, highest possible win rate champs, and are willing to cave to duo Q people who demand things. > > I have in the past suggested many times a "dodge and report button." You will leave the lobby but also get to file a report on one or more players. It will copy the chat log for review, idealy with a screen capture. You will still have the dodge penalty, but you will get to report. I feel Riot would have to weight these reports a little bit higher because anyone who is making people dodge needs to be weeded out. This would get your lobby trolls, and wouldnt be abused for peoples amusement. maybe try not intentionally making a horrible pick?
it doesnt matter how good the pick is or how bad it is... it maters what other people think about your pick and if they want to exercise their power to punish you for not picking what they want you to play... It isnt hard if you think about it, try thinking about it. If you cant think, then what if this happened in a lobby... _(you show shen pick intent)_ _Hey, youre match history has you going 6/16 on shen... I dont want you playing shen. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/219840656_ _(you respond) It was a rough game, I had decent assist._ _Fuck that, kick this feeder (calls vote kick and the duo both vote yes)_ Now youre fate is up to two other people who may or may not kick you with a penalty, but hey, all you gotta do is not intentionally pick shen, or you know, intentionally pick anything youve had a bad game on recently, or intentionally not do as youre told to. When you get kicked for picking shen... thats why we cant have vote kick, and all we had to do to avoid all the nonsense was think about it first.
: Can we just get nemesis draft again?
I too liked nemesis draft. A few times Iv asked for NURF or Nemesis URF to be a thing. We are the only two people who ever liked it, so its prob gone forever.
: The end of champselect trolls.
We cannot have vote kick in this game... too many childish morons and trolls will abuse this. You dont think for one minute that a duo Q decides that "insert jungler here" isnt META enough they wont try to vote kick? Then when it doesnt go through they wont instantly tilt, or a vote kick retaliation will be started now cause people CAN try to vote kick, but it didnt work everyone is pissed at eachother in the lobby? NO! Not doing it, community is too toxic for that. > There should be a vote kick player button. If this is pressed the majority of people who vote yes will make it so that the troll picker is kicked and everyone is sent back to queue. > So consider this. Duo Q decides "fuck that guy" for whatever reason. Didnt like his pick, didnt like his ban, demanding he play a tank... whatever. They start a vote kick, and now if either of the two other people in the lobby decide they just dont want to play in a match with someone who is pissed a vote kick was started against them, or with two people who are pissed their vote kick didnt go through they hit yes and someone now has a 5 minute penalty for wanting to play Teemo top... sound like something that can happen? I hope you only play META, highest possible win rate champs, and are willing to cave to duo Q people who demand things. I have in the past suggested many times a "dodge and report button." You will leave the lobby but also get to file a report on one or more players. It will copy the chat log for review, idealy with a screen capture. You will still have the dodge penalty, but you will get to report. I feel Riot would have to weight these reports a little bit higher because anyone who is making people dodge needs to be weeded out. This would get your lobby trolls, and wouldnt be abused for peoples amusement.
: Blitzcrank's damage is far too high right now
While damage is more or less higher all the way around... this isnt really a "NEW" problem. Blitz ripping the majority of a squishy targets health off then casually walking off for a carry to finish them off is something Iv seen happen many times since I started the game in season 5.
nerthy (NA)
: alright, i mean...that's a good idea. its just the pro's always seem to use much different champions that us bronzies.
I disagree with them a bit about pros. Pro players will often use good decision making. I personally dont recommend pro play as an educational source cause theyre playing a much different game than you and I are. Theyre playing a game where they know their other 4 teammates, have many hours of playing together, and play vs other pro players who have the same thing on their team. This affects the "decision making" they use thats perfectly valid for them and not so much for a solo Q player. Id still suggest watching someone with more experience than you play, and there are many streamers to choose from playing at Platinum or higher. While they can rely upon their team more than you can, they still have to make decisions that dont involve full team dynamics. Whats more, several of those streamers offer advice, and explanations of their actions. Some practical advice I can offer you is to improve on as many skills as you can. Some are easier to master than others, some can improve your game performance with little effort. For junglers you can try to improve: **Clear speed, and remaining health** - better "clears" (aka taking down your jungle camps or farming) mean you can gank, or be less vulnerable to counter jungling. **Vision control** - better vision for you and your team may not be as impactful in lower ranks, but not doing it has NO impact so better to gamble on it being useful than not using it at all. **Ganks** - Qaulity ganks take mechanical skill, and intuition, practice is the only way to improve; dont gank losing lanes, try to snowball your best lane. **Objective control** - Getting the dragons, hearlds, barons, and scuttles is largely up to you. Learn to time smite, and create pressure for your team so the objectives are safer and easier for your team to take **Individual champ mechanics and skill** - This applies to every position, and how good you are with your champ is something that can be improved also. ------------------------------------------ Work on all of those, improve the ones you can one at a time if you have to, but be the best you can at each of them. There are of course a few other skills here and there, but that covers all the general per match basics. ------------------------------------------ For support there are skills that will be different depending on the type of gameplay the chosen champ is good at: **Sustain, poke, engage, peel (disengage)** - Example of sustain is Soraka. Engage Blitz. Poke is good on Karma. Janna is the peel queen. All of these are different things that can be improved upon to impact the outcome of your matches. **Vision** - Getting wards down to reveal gank attempts, objectives, and jungle invasions as well as clearing wards is an important job of the support. **Zoning and positioning** - This is a skill for every laner, and you can improve your lane dominance. If you can just zone the enemy ADC off of 2 cannon minions you can deny them about 100 gold, zone them off of 3 melee minions and its another 60 gold; 160 gold is half the value of a kill. Positioning is about getting yourself into the most threatening spot for your enemy while being in the safest spot for you... thats really dumbing it down but there are sources to help you with this skill. **Wave management** - The ADC should be doing most of it when youre support, but its still something you should understand. Freezing, shoving, and resetting the lane are things you need to know so you can either help your ADC do it, or do it when theyre backed, dead, or roaming. **Individual champ mechanics and skill** - This applies to every position. Being good with a champ can help you pull off more precise plays and save close situations from disaster. Here are some videos about warding. Theyre pretty short overall. https://youtu.be/fsjPxpdu5eM https://youtu.be/75wFEntSkQ8 https://youtu.be/gGVzQJjYw7Q https://youtu.be/fBRyTLoXpTQ
: When a laner says "Report jungler. Never ganks and feeds lanes" #HOW DOES HE FEED IF HE NEVER GANKS
Havent you ever noticed the jg monsters get stronger as the game goes on? Now you know how he feeds... now you know.
: Have you tried q+e the raptors for some sustain in a pinch?
> [{quoted}](name=Built to Tylt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MaLgVdWT,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-12-16T16:58:17.868+0000) > > Have you tried q+e the raptors for some sustain in a pinch? I had to think about what you were talking about for a moment there... Then I realized you were refering to Morg mid, and NO Iv never done that... mostly because her E is black shield and you cant hit the raptors with that... As for Q, W on them, no to that also. If I need to use that for healing I can just back off and wait on a cannon minion probably. If Im being beaten badly enough that I need to resort to the raptor camp for healing I feel like Im doing something wrong.
: You know, if you're going to adjust Morgana's passive to make her more interactive...
The lifesteal issue with ADCs early in lane isnt that big of a problem in my opinion (it does become an issue mid/late game I believe). This is because both ADCs are doing it. On top of them both life stealing, sometimes they even have a support that offers sustain, but the other one can have it too. For Morgs case, not both mid laners have some kind of excessive sustain mechanic. When I take Morgana mid, I relye upon sustain to help keep my opponet disinterested in attacking me. The changes just make that sustain something my oponent can see coming and try to work around. In Nasus case, he is able to be shut down hard by a handful of champions, and his sustain puts him in a position to be strong against other champions. So there is an excuse for letting him lifesteal off of minions. Hes immobile, has one CC ability, and has to farm (limited by the cooldown of an ability) to have a mid game threat. If he couldnt keep his HP topped off he wouldnt have much of a laning phase.
: Have you ever played pvp games where you legitimately thought you were in a bots game?
Did you just get tired of sucking your own dick and decided to make an inflammatory "everyone lower rank than me is shit at the game" post? Fucking grow up.
: By that logic, the crit mechanic is also bad. Facing a Tryndamere who passively gets critical strike chance from level 1 can be catastrophic if he can luck out and crit you twice. Imagine going for a short trade and he crits twice, essentially getting 4 autos out instead of 2. In the hands of a good player, that lane is already becoming way easier and generally generate a big advantage.
Many people have made the case for crit being bad for the game in the past. Many post suggesting removing it from the game for the same reason they removed dodge % chance from the game. The only slight difference is you know Tryn can do damage, or a LOT of damage, but if youre prepared for the LOT damage then you can go in, and if you arent then you back off. Its just damage, may be more than you expected, may be normal, but its just damage. Zoe howerver... will she be able to double flash? Flash + Heal? Ignite you, just cause she can? Will she get a gunblade burst plus slow and chain it into an E, Q rotation? Every one of those bubbles represents a different problem to be dealt with, and a champions arsenal of abilities changing from one minute to the next is a whole other level than they may get extra damage from their auto attacks.
: TRIGGER THE ENEMY BOT LANE || (MADE FOR SUPPORTS BUT ALL LEGENDS WELCOME TO CHECK THIS OUT!)
I tried it... Its good. A build similar to this is something I was considering after I had tried some other Bard builds, but I was looking at Gathering Storm instead of Celerity, but I have problems with the payoff time and 10 minute "chunks" G. Storm comes in. Celerity is a better payoff throughout the match and is useful early, and late. Gathering Storm has an impact thats pretty decent after 30 minutes, but often times things that happen at 7 minutes color what is happening at 30 minutes, so I reevaluated Celerity as a good replacement. The other thing I was going to try was Electrocute instead of Dark Harvest, but Dark Harvest has the advantage of not having a huge cooldown time or having a lot of its power tied up in AD/AP scalings as Electrocute does. I tried those runes, and it felt just about right. Like I said I was working toward a set of runes like this one, but I may test these out for a while and drop some of my other configuration test since these are pretty good... Last thought, the opening to your video was probably one of the most pretentious things Iv ever seen; maybe some people are into the kind of nonsense time wasting intro you did... but ughhhh I had to force myself to sit through the opening bit. You may not care, but Im just sharing my opinion. Im really not trying to flame you, it was overall a good video (the popping sound effects were too loud also, but thats nitpicky), and you deserve a pat on the back for making a good video. Thank you for the guide, and a good Bard build. A for effort, thanks again.
Cowseed (NA)
: I just thought it meant to 'screw over'. Well in any case I sincerly appologise if my misuse of the word offended you and I hope you can find it within yourself to forgive my foolish blunder.
Most peoples reaction to a person who said "you did/said that wrong" on the internet is to start slinging poo and swearing. You didnt do that. Thank you very much for that, and I acknowledge your diplomacy and grace is of great magnitude. An aside to my personality, and my compulsion to not annoy people so much as tell them there is an error in their execution... Once I saw a man in a grocery store and had noticed he had his suspenders clipped to his underwear. I thought "Someone has surely noticed this and no one has told him." I simply walked over and said "Hey, your back right suspender clip is clipped to your underwear." He thanked me and promptly corrected the issue, and then mentioned how he must have had it like that all day without anyone saying anything. Anyway, I hope my needless calling out of a word error wasnt too annoying, its mostly motivated by a desire help people unclip their suspenders from their underwear, and like maybe 20% "ugh why do people use words wrong." So... take an upvote for a classy response and have a nice day :)
Xilixer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Weasel Kensei,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cpZ2XQZ7,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2017-12-13T01:04:28.826+0000) > > Wow... please stop playing this game at all if that is the sort of childish logic youre working with. the logic is far from chidlish. if a person punches someone in the face some form of retaliation is warranted. regardless if it is overdone or not. You have to expect some form of it. you shouldn't be surprised if you do something at the expense of others to get backlash. that's my logic. if you do something against someone always expect them to retaliate.
It is childish... I cant understand how you think "getting back at people in a video game to teach them a lesson" even when it hurts your chances of winning isnt. It also probably hurts 2-3 other players that dont have any stake in your petty bullshit, but operating on child logic it would be hard to factor that in. What the actual fuck do you consider childish if "oh yeah, well Ill take my ball and throw the match" isnt? Punching people in the face? Really... comparing apples to oranges is bullshit in an debate, comparing apples to rocks is what youre doing. Fine. Your face punching scenario, here we go... theres you and 4 other people in a car and one person in the back seat with you punches you in the face, so you reach up and fight the driver for the wheel and try to kill everyone in the car to retaliate. Sound stupid? Well its why anyone who understands the way you think doesnt want to be around you; cause given the opportunity you will take yourself and other innocent people down just to spite someone else youre angry with. Also you either dont play ranked, or hover in the low silvers at best with that kind of acceptance to trolling/griefing cause people trying to climb dont take matches off to grief to teach other people a lesson. I hope you dont ever plan on climbing.
Cowseed (NA)
: She's pretty vulnerable to all ins actually. Assassins kinda cuck her.
There was a time when I would bother to tell you how "cuck her" was one of the most terrible uses of a word I had read in X period of time... Rather than bother, if you think you used cuck "well" in that sentence then please look up the various definitions of cuck and explain to me how you didnt pick a word you think you know... then use it in a bizarre fashion. If you really want to use a term to give a connotation of domination, try "donkey punch." Donkey punching is when you punch someone in the back of the head while having sex with them from behind during climax to intermingle the sensation of disorientation associated with a blow to the head with the aforementioned climax. Lets try it. _She's pretty vulnerable to all ins actually. Assassins kinda **donkey punch** her._ See, that gets the point across without being jarringly wrong use of a word. Not flaming you by the way, every nine year old on the internet has been slinging cuck around and I even had one clown tell me (who I informed they were using it wrong) it meant "fuck" but is spelled with a "c" to bypass chat filters... At any rate, take the advice or dont, feel free to donkey punch the meaning of language if you like also I cant stop you.
: Vlad and absolute focus
I find it amusing that you got Vlad into a quantum flux state of both being above and below 70% heath at the same time... that is all, carry on.
: Is it ok to leave your Marksman if they are being super toxic towards you?
I get those ADCs sometimes. Mute them, if theyre just flaming... ignore it and you will probably have a decent game. If they start acting out like griefing, typing a novel and missing CS, or abandoning the lane leaving you there alone... just roam as best you can. Cause if youre lucky they will calm down and farm and contribute. The other thing that could happen is they could shit the bed even harder than when you were there and you can make some great roaming plays and everyone will know who the problem was and report them maybe. More often that when an ADC starts in on me I say "sure, blame the support." If the persist ask "should I mute you now?" If they go for strike three, dont say anything just mute them... they will run out of steam typing at you after a while with no response... Honestly, you dont have to mute them, just ignore them. They may say something useful... maybe. Just dont respond to them, and if its anything other than flaming or rage/salt take note, otherwise ignore. If you feel like gambling, at the first sign of flaming ADC syndrome try saying "Oh I love rage novels in the chat, go for it man, type away." This will either make them NOT type cause they dont want to give you what you asked for, maybe even make them see the trap and not walk into it, or have them give you what you asked for and they start raging out of their minds. Good luck, playing support can be very rewarding but part of the price to pay is having to endure some of the worst players in the game blaming you for everything they do. Try to stick it out if you can, but if you have to roam, it will be up to you to judge when to call it quits on bot lane and when to stay.
: Riot should disable pings when you're dead. Would save me a shitload of tilt.
Well durring that time a... "normal" (emotionally stable, not shit for brains asshat) person could use that time to do little else but watch the map and look for even a brief glimpses of the enemy jg his team may miss... In reality its too often used by petulant salty brats that are 100% certain that you crafted a 3 month long plan to get them killed in a video game, and you just executed if flawlessly and they now must ping their unrelenting rage at you... Just mute their pings... its all you can do. Maybe report them for harassment, ping spam to annoy you is harassment so you may aw well. Also try to use your pings to help your team when you can when your dead; show them how its done and all that. ALSO... clever name you got there.
hoyohai (NA)
: O I'm dumb
Nah, stuff slips through the cracks, its not like you needed to read my post with the percision of a tiral lawyer or something... I could have wirtten it better. For the most part the autodetect has significantly reduced or nearly eliminated even the use of racial slurs, homophobic slurs, and inflammatory religious statements. Im fairly pleased about that. The problem is Riot seems to have said "Great toxicity is down in chat... problem solved" and I see as much or even more griefing. Like I told the OP tho... all I can do is suck it up and deal with it...
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