: Burst builds are becoming the norm, and it sucks.
Yeah but now people in our ~~glorious~~ ~~overlords~~ Chinese Internet cafes can get multiple games in an hour! So it’s ok. :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Weiner the Pooh,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NEZyMqMP,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-11-14T08:38:56.958+0000) > > He shoulda played her then, his own fault. No reason for anyone to cry about that. He didn't play Fiora either iirc, but she has the skin
: iG top laner wanted Riven but had to settle with Fiora, feelsbadman
He shoulda played her then, his own fault. No reason for anyone to cry about that.
Manxxom (NA)
: Post: *Has anything involving Jhin or the number 4*
: Why is Fiora allowed to "Cripple" me, but Darius with his "Crippling Strike" not?
: Riot: "Sorry, mate. Attractive human champs for this skinline only. We gotta make that bank."
It makes sense for this one tho. There were definitely better candidates but them being human makes sense.
: Allow us to hear our Champion that we picked theme after we locked them in champion select
: >"Btw this is not sarcastic" https://i.imgur.com/QpnBp7G.jpg Too many people freaking out and not taking the time to step back and look at her weaknesses. Right now it honestly looks like Senna might be a bit underwhelming, and both Riot August and Swifte say shes terrible into hard CC. I'm excited to play her regardless.
> [{quoted}](name=TheUrbanKitsune,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LoA0P8c3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-31T15:56:17.148+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/QpnBp7G.jpg > > Too many people freaking out and not taking the time to step back and look at her weaknesses. > Right now it honestly looks like Senna might be a bit underwhelming, and both Riot August and Swifte say shes terrible into hard CC. > I'm excited to play her regardless. Xd who isn’t terrible into hard cc. It’s a universal counter.
Tharasian (EUNE)
: Time for Riot to join #TeamTrees!
Maokai and Ivern skins would make sense so... nature Akali and Yasuo it is!
Kelg (NA)
: The monster Volibear was just an image of him through Udyr's point of view, rather than his actual self, confirmed by riot. The one you play as will be the actual volibear, how he truly is. The best they could do is make an eldritch abomination legendary skin for Voli tbh, that way they don't upset voli mains.
Which is honestly just a cop out excuse and poor writing.
: There are champions where their kits offer somewhat interactive gameplay and potential to be outplayed (note, nothing here applies to fed champions, you can't outplay fed) {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:115}}
There is not a single thing enjoyable about playing against gnar, especially as a melee. It’s a horrible experience.
: Can we finally buff Braum now?
At least buff his survivability. He dies way too fast despite supposedly being a "tank".
yonggon (NA)
: Fiora in Runeterra is an unfair card with easy fix.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=kIK99bAt,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T18:29:04.645+0000) > > Annie was the poster child for LoL before Ryze was, so it being an annie skin is significant. Not to mention she was one of the first six champions even designed, so the 10th-anniversary skin going to her makes even more sense XD (and the pun name is pretty cute imo)
Plus the teemo doll means he’s always present in the skin.
: Bard Wants A Skin
Stop you’re whining. You’ve only had to wait 3 years, meanwhile Yasuo and Akali fans have been waiting months. MONTHS! They’re dying over here, unable to express their champion through the small pool of skins available to them, and you’re here crying over bard not getting one in a couple of teeny tiny years. Pathetic.
Moon Mom (NA)
: No idea. Just a clarification though, it was not censorship but misunderstanding from the casters. A rioter cleared it up on reddit and took ownership.
> [{quoted}](name=Moon Mom,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ff2xZfY2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-11T03:54:09.183+0000) > > No idea. > > Just a clarification though, > > it was not censorship but misunderstanding from the casters. A rioter cleared it up on reddit and took ownership. The boards don’t care they want to be mad so they’ll be mad. Just refer to the big thread on the home page talking about it and you’ll see.
: Check the official subreddit. They're not against saying it.
Nah the hive mind wants to be mad, there won’t be any convincing them. There’s a reason the statement was made on twitter and Reddit. Because no one cares about the boards.
: Go try Garen. He is 100% Melee with a 1.5s MS buff as his gap closer. He deserves melting people if he gets to them, and has to be tanky in order to get to them.
So other melees just deserve to die?
: There's literally so many champions they could've picked, and again we have Irelia & Karma who ** just had their spotlight in last year's Worlds video**.\ This is just favoritism all over again.
Gotta use the Asian characters for the Chinese overlords.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Fiora autowins every melee top lane matchup, and now is able to kill turrets fast.
First of all, her biggest weakness is her lack of team fight, and that’s still there. Her winrate is not massive it is 49% plat+ and diamond+ And 48 in masters+ stop making up stats because you know the hive mind won’t read it. Fiora does not auto win any melee match up. Aggressive champs can make it impossible for her, as can really passive champs that just clear. Or champs with poke. Yes Fiora has the potential to win a lot of match ups, but can also lose just as many depending on the player fighting her. A lot of players don’t change up their play style or tactics against her, they play against her like they play against any melee champ. Ofc that’s going to lose.
gileskd (NA)
: here is an example I can think of you are a top lane main, on the current patch there are 2 s+ tier champs, you are last pick on your team. if you ban 1 of the s+ tier champs, and your opponent picks the other one, you are at a disadvantage. and one other example, you ban mundo, cause he hard counters your champion you want to play. you opponent can now think, hmmm which champion can mundo counter? oh, its this champion, ill play this champion, its not that much of a counter, but I will have the advantage once I build my core item/hit level 6, etc.
> [{quoted}](name=gileskd,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=WEEbglGk,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-30T01:47:04.231+0000) > > here is an example I can think of > > you are a top lane main, on the current patch there are 2 s+ tier champs, you are last pick on your team. > if you ban 1 of the s+ tier champs, and your opponent picks the other one, you are at a disadvantage. > > and one other example, > > you ban mundo, cause he hard counters your champion you want to play. > you opponent can now think, hmmm which champion can mundo counter? > oh, its this champion, ill play this champion, its not that much of a counter, but I will have the advantage once I build my core item/hit level 6, etc. Except according to u.gg there are 6 S+ plat and diamond and 4 S+ masters+ so I’m not sure why you’re saying there’s just two, which kinda ruins your whole example. Unless you listen to hashinshin, in which case you mean Fiora and riven and everyone else needs nerfs.
Diävolo (EUW)
: Okay, Kai'Sa and Pyke are nothing compared to Fiora
>if she get cced she press W and cc you Not at all how it works, W doesn't do anything once shes CC'd, she has to block it. >E that got more damage than Veigar's R Its literally just a crit. Not even full damage crit until its maxed.
: I'd be totally fine with that. It's just when she Riposte's absolutely nothing and then proceeds to fuck you with the 50% AS slow that's irritating. It basically makes her good into both people who rely on autos and people who rely on CC. Essentially, 90% of the roster.
Which is fine that shes good into both types, her role is fight everyone, thats the entire design of her kit. It has weaknesses, there are ways to play around it. I think with the change I suggested Fiora would be in a completely healthy spot.
: Honestly fuck the cripple on it. It's 100% unnecessary. The skillshot is too fat and fast for immobile champions to dodge which basically means any fight with Fiora you'll have to fight with 50% attack speed.
The skill shot is the opposite of too fat. Its as wide as her model, not to mention its got a long windup on it. You act like it has zero counterplay, when the counterplay is to literally walk to the side. And it is necessary, try doing anything against a Tryndamere without it, she'd stand zero chance at fighting him.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: She gets rewarded way too much when she doesnt parry a harr cc with the attack speed slow. I agree that shouldn't be a thing
Not every champion has hard CC. It is impossible for it to be good if it only works in specific circumstances, with the cripple it allows her to duel those who don't have CC. What it should be, instead of removing it all together, which would massively impact her ability to duel would be make it from Landing W -> Cripple Parrying CC -> Stun to Landing W without blocking anything -> Move speed slow Blocking anything(auto attack, non CC spell, any attack) -> Cripple Blocking CC -> Stun With these changes Fiora has to use it right without it being completely gimped.
: RNG should not be apart of a champions Kit
>That being said if a vital is facing directly at her she's either gonna get free %hp true damage (why though?) and heal (but why?) But why does a champs kit do something? What is the point of the but why’s? “Ugh why does this champions kit do damage ugh what the fuck!” This complaint makes no sense. And Fioras vitals follow a pattern. The first viral always spawns facing blue base, then it’ll be back or down, then front or up. It never spawns unfairly, so once a fight starts it’s quite possible to keep her away from it. And if she Qs aggressively for it in lane she can be punished.
: Every champ released in the last 2 years needs to just be removed/reverted
Fiora was reworked r years ago, so... not sure why she’s on your list.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=9dFTR5co,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-11T02:31:14.419+0000) > > ..Removed by Moderation.. Was the insult neccessary? I think not.
I think it was. You don’t understand a character you don’t play so you want it changed because it doesn’t agree with your blanket idea of what a character should be.
: [Fiora rework concept]
How exactly did she lose her duelist thematic? Not only is she one of the best duelists in the game, out side of the stat check Yi, Fiora has the tools to beat pretty much everyone. Her entire kit is single target, because she is centered around 1v1ing. Pretty duelisty if you ask me.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T23:05:54.275+0000) > > Her allies being inspired by her does not make her any less of a lone wolf. Your argument makes no sense. Its not like shes Janna or Soraka, the heal is completely different in terms of how its applied. And its not "it just happens". You saying that makes it clear you didnt read, didnt understand, or refuse to try and understand what im saying. > > Heres how it would be from a more "in lore perspective". Take for example the part in the new cinematic where Sion comes rushing forward. Fiora takes an enemy like that on, and beats him. In front of everyone. Thats going to inspire people regardless of why she or they are fighting. Thats what the heal is supposed to be. It doesn't just "happen". It doesn't break her character. She doesn't care that she inspires her allies, shes doing it for herself, anything with her allies is an after effect. > > What did i clearly not read? I replied to what you said in your argument to me. The part where you say showmanship isn't her thing? Her ult isn't putting on a show. Never once did i say she inspires them because of how she beat them, just that she beat them. I've read Fiora's lore, i know her character, she doesn't care about showing off, but i didnt say she did so if thats how you took thats on you. Her ult is not bragging, boasting or anything of the sort. The heal for her, is her focusing and continuing to fight. For her allies they are inspired. Tell me how that breaks her character. How does that make her any less of a lone wolf? Shes not beating her enemy for the sake of inspiring her allies, but it doesn't change the fact that she did. > > I'm not sure what makes you the authority on the character to dismiss me, considering you never play them and are never active in threads concerning the champ. Especially considering you still think shes an arrogant character, and the only times you are is when it comes to the old Fiora thats been out of the game for 4 years. Again, your argument boils down to "it just happens". Why? Because you can replace Fiora with Jarvan and the result is the same. You can substitute Sion for any massive sized character and the effect would be the same. THAT is where I have a problem with your argument and why it is ultimately flawed when used to justify Fiora's heal. Remember the Elementalist Lux cinematic? She took down Malphite with her ultimate. Anyone watching that would have been similarly inspired. So why isn't Lux's ultimate healing everyone in an area? Because despite being a generally inspiring champion, her ability to use light does not allow her to heal. The only champion where this inspiration logic is justified is Draven because he is described as a showman first and foremost. He wants the eyes on him and his job is to excite everyone around him by being the center of attention. Being applied via "inspiration" doesn't work within Fiora's trappings (who she is as a character and her abilities as one). If the explanation above involving substitution doesn't make it clear for you, then we're simply done and we will have to agree to disagree. P.S. - Fiora is so prideful that she kills for even minor insults. All you have to do for proof of that is click "learn more" on her champion page in the client and read everything from there. If that doesn't solidify why "inspiration" doesn't fit her, then you are refusing to think critically about her character.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T23:37:40.030+0000) > > Again, your argument boils down to "it just happens". Why? Because you can replace Fiora with Jarvan and the result is the same. You can substitute Sion for any massive sized character and the effect would be the same. THAT is where I have a problem with your argument and why it is ultimately flawed when used to justify Fiora's heal. Like i said, the heal is primarily for herself. Why it can't be substituted with Jarvan is because Jarvan isn't going to go in and take down the biggest guy in a one on one. And yeah the point of using Sion was an example, it doesn't matter who you substitute it with. My point was, in that situation it took 4-5 people, Fiora would have done it alone, thats where the inspiration comes from. She would have done what took multiple people, thats why she'd inspire them. But like ive stressed, the heal is primarily for herself, to keep her fighting. She doesn't care if the people are impressed by watching her. >Remember the Elementalist Lux cinematic? She took down Malphite with her ultimate. Anyone watching that would have been similarly inspired. So why isn't Lux's ultimate healing everyone in an area? Because despite being a generally inspiring champion, her ability to use light does not allow her to heal. Its different to see someone blow something up from far away with magic, and someone to go in and take a giant thing down with only a sword and skill. >Being applied via "inspiration" doesn't work within Fiora's trappings (who she is as a character and her abilities as one). If the explanation above involving substitution doesn't make it clear for you, then we're simply done and we will have to agree to disagree. The substitution example doesn't work, heres why. Characters have strengths, weaknesses, traits whatever. Jarvan is a leader, Fiora is an exceptionally skilled fighter, one of the best combatants in lore. Its likely shes a better fighter than Jarvan. Fiora can beat enemies Jarvan can't. But Jarvan is still going to lead his troops better. Thats why i used the Sion example. Its quite probable Fiora could have beat him alone, that would inspire people. Thats her strength, fighting people, finding their weaknesses. Jarvan's strength is leading. > P.S. - Fiora is so prideful that she kills for even minor insults. All you have to do for proof of that is click "learn more" on her champion page in the client and read everything from there. If that doesn't solidify why "inspiration" doesn't fit her, then you are refusing to think critically about her character. She kills because they insulted her and her house. In her head if anyone is allowed to talk shit about her, then everyone will think its ok, therefore every time it happens it needs to be dealt with. The inspiration comes from them being impressed with her skill, not her reasonings. Its not just that "shes so prideful she can't stand people saying bad stuff about her". Its that her house's name and reputation is in the dirt and if people are allowed to slander the work shes done to restore it, whats to stop everyone from saying the same thing, especially when what is being said is lies.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T20:48:31.901+0000) > > . > > Its her only contribution, she has no AOE, no on command CC, she cant front line, shes a a squishy melee with literally no way to meaningfully help the team without it. Everything else in her kit is tailored for a duelist, except the after effect on her ult. > > As much as i really like the old ult and wish they had found a way to reincorporate it back into her kit, the ability lacked any and all counter play except Zhonya's. and stealth. And if those were used on it Fiora couldn't do anything. Fiora's old kit is like Yi, it's a stat check that is just frustrating to deal with. > > It is her ideal and most prominent way of contributing. But her having an AOE heal for team fights doesn't take away that her main priority is split pushing. No one is saying that by having the heal she can't split. No one is saying that by having the heal she can't duel. The majority of the time, that heal is used only for Fiora when shes 1v1,2,3 in the side lane. > > (that is completely different from every heal, as in nots some magic like Soraka or Janna, its more of an inspiration thing) > > Fiora's team fighting is still her weakest aspect. Just because she has one contribution doesn't mean it makes her all about team fighting. Its vrey evident team fighting is her biggest weakness, in team fights, she still gets focused down by the enemy ranged champs, and a single CC means she dead. The heal doesn't suddenly make her a god tier team fighter, its just... something. A lot of the time it goes unnoticed. Other split pushers have a way to contribute to team fights, this is Fiora's. Jax is tanky and has an AOE stun, Camille has cc and her cage, Trynd has an AOE slow and the fact that the enemy has to continue to waste time on him once hes already dead. Yi has AOE and insane burst. You get it? They all have something. > > I say it breaks neither. Look at it like this, her R for her focusing, or getting her second wind, its to keep her going, to keep her fighting. The AOE aspect is like an inspiration to her allies, they just watch her kill their "champion" and are motivated to continue the fight. Its not like she says some chant and heals her team as a support, its not like she is some divine aspect blessing her team, no shes a girl with a sword who cut down the enemies biggest guy and now the team is rallied. How does that break anything? > > Have you even read her new lore? Fiora is not arrogant anymore. It was changed in her update. It even states in her lore, "His anger at what he assumed was her arrogance overcame his fear and he stamped forward" People misunderstand her, she wasn't boasting about her skill, she wasn't shit talking, all she said is "All here know my skill with a blade, so choose to live and wear your wound as a badge of honor. Or choose death, and be food for crows by midmorning." She is not an arrogant charcter anymore. > > It doesn't matter if she cares if she likes them, they can still be inspired by what she did. The two aren't mutually exclusive. > > Its not about her wanting to, and the heal isn't like divine winds or some shit washing over them and healing them that Fiora called down specifically for them, its an inspiration type thing. It doesn't matter if she wanted to inspire them or not, she still did. Okay, here's where I gotta outright dismiss you. > Its not about her wanting to, and the heal isn't like divine winds or some shit washing over them and healing them that Fiora called down specifically for them, its an inspiration type thing. It doesn't matter if she wanted to inspire them or not, she still did. Again, happening at all breaks her theme and her personality. That heal being on Draven is about as thematic as it gets. But NOOOOO! It has to be on the lone wolf and "it just happens"! I'm not even going to address how you've clearly not read the rest of the thread for the answers to the rest of your post.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T21:49:17.280+0000) > > Okay, here's where I gotta outright dismiss you. > > Again, happening at all breaks her theme and her personality. That heal being on Draven is about as thematic as it gets. But NOOOOO! It has to be on the lone wolf and "it just happens"! > > I'm not even going to address how you've clearly not read the rest of the thread for the answers to the rest of your post. Her allies being inspired by her does not make her any less of a lone wolf. Your argument makes no sense. Its not like shes Janna or Soraka, the heal is completely different in terms of how its applied. And its not "it just happens". You saying that makes it clear you didnt read, didnt understand, or refuse to try and understand what im saying. Heres how it would be from a more "in lore perspective". Take for example the part in the new cinematic where Sion comes rushing forward. Fiora takes an enemy like that on, and beats him. In front of everyone. Thats going to inspire people regardless of why she or they are fighting. Thats what the heal is supposed to be. It doesn't just "happen". It doesn't break her character. She doesn't care that she inspires her allies, shes doing it for herself, anything with her allies is an after effect. What did i clearly not read? I replied to what you said in your argument to me. The part where you say showmanship isn't her thing? Her ult isn't putting on a show. Never once did i say she inspires them because of how she beat them, just that she beat them. I've read Fiora's lore, i know her character, she doesn't care about showing off, but i didnt say she did so if thats how you took thats on you. Her ult is not bragging, boasting or anything of the sort. The heal for her, is her focusing and continuing to fight. For her allies they are inspired. Tell me how that breaks her character. How does that make her any less of a lone wolf? Shes not beating her enemy for the sake of inspiring her allies, but it doesn't change the fact that she did. I'm not sure what makes you the authority on the character to dismiss me, considering you never play them and are never active in threads concerning the champ. Especially considering you still think shes an arrogant character, and the only times you are is when it comes to the old Fiora thats been out of the game for 4 years.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=00040000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T15:21:52.404+0000) > > The heal is to keep her in the fight as long as possible. It’s to keep her going. How does that not fit a duelist? And it’s AOE is so she has some contribution to her team. Otherwise she’d literally bring nothing useful to her team than killing one guy. Because "directly contributing to the team" isn't inherently part of a duelist and in this particular case, it's breaking the cohesion by being a heal. At least her old ultimate dealt "aoe" damage even though it was still better for dueling scenarios. Tiamat helped cover the team fight weakness of the ability but still didn't make it better as a team skill versus duelist skill. Also, there's the concept of split pushing. You don't help the team directly by joining team fights. You create pressure elsewhere to give your team more openings for winning the game. In fact, within a game that's SUPPOSED to be based on objectives, split pushing should be the ideal means for a duelist to contribute to the team. I'm going to add that, by making it a heal so she can contribute directly to the team, it breaks good design by giving her an added tool to cover a major weakness so said problem isn't as prominent. Champions should have clear weaknesses and defined strengths. Fiora shouldn't be allowed to contribute a heal to her team. It doesn't just break her character, it breaks her theme. Fiora is a prideful, arrogant, and with the skills to back it up. She doesn't give two shits about someone else liking her or being grateful if she happens to help. All of her interests are selfish and she will go to extreme lengths over a minor insult towards her or her house. At what point would such a person want to heal anyone else?
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=000400000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T15:39:56.529+0000) > > Because "directly contributing to the team" isn't inherently part of a duelist and in this particular case, it's breaking the cohesion by being a heal. > > At least her old ultimate dealt "aoe" damage even though it was still better for dueling scenarios. Tiamat helped cover the team fight weakness of the ability but still didn't make it better as a team skill versus duelist skill. > > Also, there's the concept of split pushing. You don't help the team directly by joining team fights. You create pressure elsewhere to give your team more openings for winning the game. In fact, within a game that's SUPPOSED to be based on objectives, split pushing should be the ideal means for a duelist to contribute to the team. > > I'm going to add that, by making it a heal so she can contribute directly to the team, it breaks good design by giving her an added tool to cover a major weakness so said problem isn't as prominent. Champions should have clear weaknesses and defined strengths. Fiora shouldn't be allowed to contribute a heal to her team. It doesn't just break her character, it breaks her theme. > > Fiora is a prideful, arrogant, and with the skills to back it up. She doesn't give two shits about someone else liking her or being grateful if she happens to help. All of her interests are selfish and she will go to extreme lengths over a minor insult towards her or her house. At what point would such a person want to heal anyone else? . > Because "directly contributing to the team" isn't inherently part of a duelist and in this particular case, it's breaking the cohesion by being a heal. Its her only contribution, she has no AOE, no on command CC, she cant front line, shes a a squishy melee with literally no way to meaningfully help the team without it. Everything else in her kit is tailored for a duelist, except the after effect on her ult. > At least her old ultimate dealt "aoe" damage even though it was still better for dueling scenarios. Tiamat helped cover the team fight weakness of the ability but still didn't make it better as a team skill versus duelist skill. As much as i really like the old ult and wish they had found a way to reincorporate it back into her kit, the ability lacked any and all counter play except Zhonya's. and stealth. And if those were used on it Fiora couldn't do anything. Fiora's old kit is like Yi, it's a stat check that is just frustrating to deal with. >Also, there's the concept of split pushing. You don't help the team directly by joining team fights. You create pressure elsewhere to give your team more openings for winning the game. In fact, within a game that's SUPPOSED to be based on objectives, split pushing should be the ideal means for a duelist to contribute to the team. It is her ideal and most prominent way of contributing. But her having an AOE heal for team fights doesn't take away that her main priority is split pushing. No one is saying that by having the heal she can't split. No one is saying that by having the heal she can't duel. The majority of the time, that heal is used only for Fiora when shes 1v1,2,3 in the side lane. (that is completely different from every heal, as in nots some magic like Soraka or Janna, its more of an inspiration thing) >I'm going to add that, by making it a heal so she can contribute directly to the team, it breaks good design by giving her an added tool to cover a major weakness so said problem isn't as prominent. Champions should have clear weaknesses and defined strengths. Fiora shouldn't be allowed to contribute a heal to her team. It doesn't just break her character, it breaks her theme. Fiora's team fighting is still her weakest aspect. Just because she has one contribution doesn't mean it makes her all about team fighting. Its vrey evident team fighting is her biggest weakness, in team fights, she still gets focused down by the enemy ranged champs, and a single CC means she dead. The heal doesn't suddenly make her a god tier team fighter, its just... something. A lot of the time it goes unnoticed. Other split pushers have a way to contribute to team fights, this is Fiora's. Jax is tanky and has an AOE stun, Camille has cc and her cage, Trynd has an AOE slow and the fact that the enemy has to continue to waste time on him once hes already dead. Yi has AOE and insane burst. You get it? They all have something. > It doesn't just break her character, it breaks her theme. I say it breaks neither. Look at it like this, her R for her focusing, or getting her second wind, its to keep her going, to keep her fighting. The AOE aspect is like an inspiration to her allies, they just watch her kill their "champion" and are motivated to continue the fight. Its not like she says some chant and heals her team as a support, its not like she is some divine aspect blessing her team, no shes a girl with a sword who cut down the enemies biggest guy and now the team is rallied. How does that break anything? >Fiora is a prideful, arrogant Have you even read her new lore? Fiora is not arrogant anymore. It was changed in her update. It even states in her lore, "His anger at what he assumed was her arrogance overcame his fear and he stamped forward" People misunderstand her, she wasn't boasting about her skill, she wasn't shit talking, all she said is "All here know my skill with a blade, so choose to live and wear your wound as a badge of honor. Or choose death, and be food for crows by midmorning." She is not an arrogant charcter anymore. >She doesn't give two shits about someone else liking her or being grateful if she happens to help. It doesn't matter if she cares if she likes them, they can still be inspired by what she did. The two aren't mutually exclusive. >All of her interests are selfish and she will go to extreme lengths over a minor insult towards her or her house. At what point would such a person want to heal anyone else? Its not about her wanting to, and the heal isn't like divine winds or some shit washing over them and healing them that Fiora called down specifically for them, its an inspiration type thing. It doesn't matter if she wanted to inspire them or not, she still did.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=000400000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T04:35:55.561+0000) > > Have you read Fioras new lore? She’s serious and direct in fights, it makes perfect sense for her to have a second wind or focus more. The fact it’s AOE Thematically can be looked at as people being impressed or whatever, but without the AOE in game, she’s literally have no contribution to the team. What part of "the execution isn't second wind/focus" was missed? Making it an on-ground AOE heal denies the second wind deal and is DEFINITELY not a matter of focus either. This is what I mean by "the heal isn't thematic/functional". It doesn't go with a duelist's kit or theme.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=0004000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T11:52:46.364+0000) > > What part of "the execution isn't second wind/focus" was missed? Making it an on-ground AOE heal denies the second wind deal and is DEFINITELY not a matter of focus either. > > This is what I mean by "the heal isn't thematic/functional". It doesn't go with a duelist's kit or theme. The heal is to keep her in the fight as long as possible. It’s to keep her going. How does that not fit a duelist? And it’s AOE is so she has some contribution to her team. Otherwise she’d literally bring nothing useful to her team than killing one guy.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-10T03:48:09.982+0000) > > Her ult doesn’t have anything to do with dominance. A roofer even said when she was reworked it’s a second wind/focus type thing. It’s not her boasting or anything. The execution doesn't come off as "second wind" as a massive AOE heal and Rioters even said "it's so she had something for team fights". For someone who wants to be the best duelist, why is she given this gigantic aoe with a huge heal? That's not second wind or focus related at all. No matter how you slice it, it doesn't work thematically and is only half functional within her kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=00040000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-10T03:53:56.984+0000) > > The execution doesn't come off as "second wind" as a massive AOE heal and Rioters even said "it's so she had something for team fights". > > For someone who wants to be the best duelist, why is she given this gigantic aoe with a huge heal? That's not second wind or focus related at all. > > No matter how you slice it, it doesn't work thematically and is only half functional within her kit. Have you read Fioras new lore? She’s serious and direct in fights, it makes perfect sense for her to have a second wind or focus more. The fact it’s AOE Thematically can be looked at as people being impressed or whatever, but without the AOE in game, she’s literally have no contribution to the team.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-05-10T00:26:53.231+0000) > > Her ult is legit unwanted and garbage, let's face it. I tried to play her recently and never the ult was useful, it never helped me doing anything and was more a waste of spell. "She's showing her dominance and putting on a show!" Dominance isn't really her deal. It's simply being the best. And showmanship is Draven's deal, not hers. She's got pride, but not the type that wants to make a spectacle.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Rc6YRLc6,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-05-10T00:51:03.710+0000) > > "She's showing her dominance and putting on a show!" > > Dominance isn't really her deal. It's simply being the best. And showmanship is Draven's deal, not hers. She's got pride, but not the type that wants to make a spectacle. Her ult doesn’t have anything to do with dominance. A roofer even said when she was reworked it’s a second wind/focus type thing. It’s not her boasting or anything.
Galiö (NA)
: So focusing is invegarating and life giving. But life given-magic eater doesnt heal.
What happens in game isn't 100% exactly what the champion does. Its like this. Fiora is fighting her opponent, Fiora is getting hurt, she calms down and focuses, aka, she heals. Its not, She calms down and suddenly the cut on her arm seals up.
Galiö (NA)
: Things that dont make much sense about Galio
>Why doesnt he Heal off magic Fiora heals off whacking people? Rioters that worked on her rework already said the heal is her focusig, and the ult is her “second wind”.
: Fiora vital bug.
It’s not just iG, it’s a Fiora bug in general.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sKw7altT,comment-id=0000000000010001,timestamp=2019-05-04T00:06:09.145+0000) > > Heres the difference, Veigar is ranged with AOE, Fiora is melee with all single target and a difficult to pull of passive, especially in team fights. Veigar presses R, Fiora has to play an entire mini game. Veigar is ranged, Fiora is not. Different characters work differently, weird. Fiora’s mechnics aren’t what I would call difficult. Especially when she has a resetting/ stupid low cd dash that procs the marks.
There’s a reason Fioras win rate is low until people have a lot of games played. Just because you don’t think she’s difficult doesn’t make it so.
: At least Veigar's you can itemize against. Fiora lacks any counterplay in terms of itemization.
Heres the difference, Veigar is ranged with AOE, Fiora is melee with all single target and a difficult to pull of passive, especially in team fights. Veigar presses R, Fiora has to play an entire mini game. Veigar is ranged, Fiora is not. Different characters work differently, weird.
: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=GgNYATV4,discussion-id=L5EZZajE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-03T20:58:23.832+0000) > > Calm down Hashinshin. If you’re gonna have a rant, why not put your own ideas instead of literally saying word for word what hashshin squealed out in his stream yesterday. hey have you ever thought that many people could have the same problem with the bullshit champion. Fiora was given the rework in 2015. that is four fucking years that riposte hasn't been working as intended. laning phase is so in her favor to win, legit the only way you beat her in lane is to pick a champion that is more bullshit than her. on riots home page they say they value player experience, though its funny that whenever a bullshit champion has bugs that favor her, people ignore it however whenever its not in there favor it goes completely ignored
How is laning phase so far in her favor? Champs with any poke can beat her or champs that can just brute force, which is a lot. Just because it requires a different play style than on other champs doesn't mean it can't be done. In all ins you kite to the direction the vital is, she'll have a hard time getting to it even with Q. And what bugs favor her? People mistiming their cc isnt a Fiora bug. How about the bug where you can hit a vital and it won't proc, wait no that, thats against her. Or the one where Q will go for targets that are lower on the prioritization queue? Again, thats against her. Which bugs make her game breaking?
: riot wtf blance fiora
Calm down Hashinshin. If you’re gonna have a rant, why not put your own ideas instead of literally saying word for word what hashshin squealed out in his stream yesterday.
: Ekko has Academy so I don't think so. Would have liked Taliyah instead of Lux tbh
And Ezreal and Lux both have Star Guardian, you cant use that excuse.
Kazekiba (NA)
: >abomination they originally tried to ship. I'll have to check this, I don't remember it being even WORSE. Yikes
https://news-a.akamaihd.net/public/images/articles/2015/july_2015/FUA/img/F_TN.jpg This shit. the new one is so much better than this.
Kazekiba (NA)
: I dig your analysis but the problem with Fiora is, she was once extremely popular so Riot copypasted her but better with Camille. Reading your post, I forgot which champ we were talking about. And that sucks, I like Fiora as a character much more than Cyborg Grandma. When she gets a new lore change I hope it doesn't make her magical in any way, has nothimh to do with mages or Galio at all, and gives her a girlfriend. Without killing her off. Im also hoping Riot doesnt just copypaste her VO for the story's dialogue the way they did Jinx. (Like. Word for word. Look it up, the wedding crasher thing. Laziest story ive ever read.) and in fact, would totally be excited for a VO update! (And a return to her old visuals but neither here nor there. Meh still hate her new face/hair)
Riot copy pasted her old lore, which is fine, I think they did a good job designing her new story. I like the emotion put in with her father. As far as the arrogance, I don’t miss it, it fit, but her new personality is just more likeable imo. I don’t think riot would copy paste her VO, she already has a really small dialogue pool, they could give her more lines to expand her personality. At least with Lux she has like 30 minutes of dialogue. And as far as the face/hair, I’m just happy they aged her down and didn’t use that abomination they originally tried to ship.
: CLEARLY she's racist, she attacked a poor innocent Shuriman Sand Troll {{champion:24}} who just wanted to fish on the bridge.
And eat his eggs, don’t forget that.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Small PP Player,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gP803768,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:46:55.011+0000) > > This is much easier said than done. When the enemy team pushes in starts sieging it gets to a point where a fight is near inevitable. > > This is my entire argument, tanks outscale because of their team fight ability. Fiora doesn’t take objectives quickly until 3 items, meanwhile tanks can press their advantage way before that. not sure in what elo you play the only problems i have when i am splitting is if my team decides to bring everyone to me that is the moment my team plays into the strengths of the enemy team fiora can pressure objectives from tiamat and trinity thats about the time she gets out of lane if the tank has bramble then yes 3 items but as long as she can sidelane for 5 minutes she will get them and be fine jax also scales at 3 items but we don't see jax being a bad champion now do we
> [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gP803768,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-28T19:14:14.756+0000) > > not sure in what elo you play > the only problems i have when i am splitting is if my team decides to bring everyone to me > that is the moment my team plays into the strengths of the enemy team > > fiora can pressure objectives from tiamat and trinity > thats about the time she gets out of lane > > if the tank has bramble then yes 3 items but as long as she can sidelane for 5 minutes she will get them and be fine > > jax also scales at 3 items but we don't see jax being a bad champion now do we You are completely missing my point. What I’m saying is, before Fiora can press her win condition tanks can press theirs. As they are able to able to set up team fights before Fiora becomes a huge split push threat. I’m not arguing if Fiora needs buffs or is too strong or too weak. I’m arguing that Fiora does not hard counter tanks as everyone thinks. The only reason I bring up three items is because that’s when she becomes an unignorable threat and can access her win condition. But tanks have time before that to force team fights where Fiora can’t really push objectives that fast.
Taimi (EUW)
: But, correct me if i am wrong, but immobile means that she cant move or has to stop any movement. Therefore she should stop, since every other champion is restricted to this interaction.
The command from Q still goes, this is an intended mechanic.
Taimi (EUW)
: Fiora and Veigar E Interaction
It’s not a bug. Fiora W’s while In Q, thus sliding. She can’t take any action once W is pressed but the command from Q is still active. It’s an intended effect.
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