: It sure is fun playing a champion Ive never played before on ARURF
It is. I actually find myself enjoying a lot of champs that I wouldn't have picked myself
: There is just no talking to a bigoted AD biased player. Have a good day, because from the sound of your "argumentation" You more than need one.
Its more just the fact that your argument is complete and utter trash. All you are doing is attempting to make **any** stat you can that agrees with your point no matter however obscure and irrelevant that it might be while ignoring the actual relevant facts. I actually cringed through the 'man/women job' analogy btw
: You do realize that by including the 5 legit champions I didn't list (Vlad is a weird mix between top and mid, Akali right now is played top more often than not, Karthus, Kassadin and Thalia who I legit forgot to mention AND Lissandra who you just plain out failed to see in the list) the numbers are even MORE in favor of AP because they got even less presence percentage wise in the top 25, right? -------------------------------- The blatant truth lies in a simple example: Riot wants to hire 10 new programmers (code monkeys). 20 men and 5 women apply for the job. Which pool is statistically more likely to get several of it's own into the job? If you said men, then you are correct. Men is AP in our example. If you said women, then you are wrong (unless Riot somehow prefers to employ women over the best in their field, which, again, CAN be women but, once again, numbers). Women are AD here. If you shouted 'patriarchy' because more men applied for the job then you don't know how the real world looks like (because you probably never had to do with the programming sector) and are encouraged to swap men and women to your liking, because no matter what, the end result is the same.
> the numbers are even MORE in favor of AP because they got even less presence percentage wise in the top 25, right? Holy shit dude #92% of the top 25 is AP Nobody gives a shit about this '% represented by class by role by lane by bullshit by "percent presence"' statistic that you just made up. You are making up a completely garbage stat so it agrees with your point when in reality ***NINETY-TWO PERCENT*** of the top 25 are AP. There are a total of ***THREE*** AD mids that have a positive winrate. Keep grasping at straws my friend. #"92% ISNT ENOUGH! WAHHHHHHHHH!!!! QQ"
: Can't handle the truth?
The truth? How about 23 AP mids vs 5 ADs? Speaking of which, pretty convenient that you neglected {{champion:38}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:127}} Lets look at this on an even playing field. Out of the top 25 midlaners by winrate, ***only TWO*** of them are AD (8%) while the remaining 92% are AP. But no, you're right. This "% viability of damage type by role per lane" stat is correct and definitely not a complete trash made up stat because the actual numbers dont agree with your point xD #"the truth"
: > [{quoted}](name=fééd l0rd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JRtvuRck,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-17T16:44:30.631+0000) > > ap champions still are top 25 win rates for mid lane, only exceptions are Jayce and talon who have ridiculous early games. > > So why is ap considered weak? Does syndra need 1200 ap to oneshot squishies? > > Mages aren't supposed to be tank busters (besides ryze and azir who are both garbage tier). > > Mages might struggle to burst squishies when the enemy team has too many shields etc but it's the same for assassins and bruisers who even have to get close, considering there is so much fucking cc in this game too. {{champion:126}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:42}} vs {{champion:103}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:115}}{{champion:90}} {{champion:26}} I WONDER FUCKING WHY! Jesus christ you people seem to never even try to understand this. **Here's the % (unless I royally fucked up the math):** **% of AP mids in the overall top 25:** - _26.09% of the AP mid roster_ **% of AD mids in the overall top 25:** - _16.66% of the AD mid roster_ If one more AP mid enters the top 25 it becomes 30.43% If one more AD mid enters the top 25 it becomes 33.32%
Wow, nice completely useless stat you just made up there.
: What is the point of a jungler? (Noob question)
There is a lot of gold and XP in the jungle. If a team just let's that sit there then they're losing out on all those resources while the enemy team is not, hence putting the team without a jungler at a disadvantage. You have to remember that apart from the gold, XP is very important because you gain roughly 500g worth of stats everytime you level up
: He was broken, yet he never climed over 47% winrate.
Because he has the single highest skill cap out of any champion in the game? The difference between his skill floor and skill ceiling was so massive that it was impossible to balance him. Corki has no such skill ceiling, so your comparison is pointless.
: {{champion:268}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:268}}
What's the point you're trying to make?
Meeks011 (NA)
: Are we forgetting that, at its core, this is a game of strategy, not skill?
Penns (EUW)
: {{item:3022}} hehe
No fuck that. I'll take FM all day over getting hit with a single DoT and being slowed for 6 seconds straight
: Karthus Ult is so useless
Karthus has one of the most powerful ults in the game. Dafuq you talking about?
: League needs more magic damage threats outside of midlane
> Silly thing, {{champion:238}} is already complete bullshit to fight after lethality buffs, taking most of a squishy HP with combo as bad as R->E->AA, but he is still getting buffed, Translation: "I dont know how to punish a melee champ's 22 second cooldown as a ranged mage"
: Janna and zilean lost their global passives but new champion have one
{{champion:4}} lost his too {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Corki needs to be nerfed
What do you mean he's hard to itemize against? He does like 85% magic damage. You should at least read how his kit works before making bogus claims
: Does grave also count?
I dont really feel so because Graves needs to be in practically melee range to maximize his burst
: I wish if teemo is reworked he will become the leagues first "assassin marksman".
> first "assassin marksman" {{champion:133}} {{champion:29}}
: I love how one slow completely and totally nullifies ghost
No better nerf it because the mage overloards are taking it Mid ex dee
: Riot give option to players decide if they want a full refund for the rune pages
: Why would anyone not pick Thresh?
Akrid415 (NA)
: Who on Earth beats Diana?
Melees are bad against her. Anything ranged is pretty easy
Eedat (NA)
: Nobody even WANTS to buy Hex
Speaking against our Mage overloards on the boards lolololololololol RIP
: > [{quoted}](name=Off The Heezy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NOTHblFZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-08-02T22:13:19.824+0000) > > What's that? my opponent bought zhonyas? looks like i cant kill them anymore zhonyas deals 0 damage though
Care to explain how Zhonyas deals 0 damage but Hex does?
Nazera (NA)
: Riot still thinking of Lux mainly as a support it seems.
Uh, nope. Lux support is still hot garbage
: "Lulu is permabanned because she's OP, not because this is an assassin meta xD"
> V7.10 Stats Base health reduced to 525 from 552.76. Help, Pix! Shield strength reduced to 70 / 105 / 140 / 175 / 210 from 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240. Nah must be because of the BS you pulled out of thin air
: > [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=olnAIFnP,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-08-02T01:23:44.083+0000) > > No that made ADCs that abused it overpowered. Even when Lethality was at it's prime, Assassins were still not doing that great. If you wanted to see overpowered back then you would've gone for Jhin, Lucian, and MF. There are a couple of Assassins that become good/overpowered sometimes, but they are quickly nerfed and not seen again. Um, I seem to remember Jayce, Quinn, and fucking every AD champion who could use Lethality abusing it... > If you look to pro play, the only champs being played are tanks, bruisers, mages, adcs, and supports. Very rarely you will see an Assassin being played. If an Assassin is being picked, then they are either overpowered or they are abusing an item build (Khazix and Rengar with Bruiser items for example) neither of which happened when Lethality was strong. If anything, lethality being strong just brings out more tanks because Lethality is so bad against them. That's because having a melee carry just doesn't work in Pro... Master Yi and Yasuo have never been picked in pro either, with Fiora just being a pressure bot (who also built bruisery Fiora) and Riven rarely being picked (she was also built bruiser). Pro =/= meta. Otherwise there would never have been a meta where Yasuo was overpowered. Never. > I don't know if you were around for Season 3, but if you want to see a real Assassin meta, then go back there when Akali was really strong and when Zed could delete you without his mark having to pop. I was, although I don't remember it :/
> Um, I seem to remember Jayce, Quinn, and fucking every AD champion who could use Lethality abusing it You actually just agreed that it wasn't an Assassin meta. Good job
: when do we address anivia?
Her "bugfix" was actually a big nerf. Still could use a bit more. Still though, Anvia's balance has absolutely nothing to do with anything. More than one champion is capable of being overtuned at once. Anivia being overtuned doesnt mean Malz can't be
Rioter Comments
: Why is Gameplay and Balance full of constant complaining?
Eedat (NA)
: "Mages are bad/unviable midlane"
The meme should be "A viable AD mid? AP GUTTED THX RITO" Anyone who thinks AP as a whole is bad is insane
: Honestly, I think Azir was one of the most well made champs by riot.
> Honestly, I think Azir was one of the most ~~well made~~ horrifically overloaded champs by riot. ftfy
: Why are mages so unpopular in general?
17/20 of the most popular mid laners are mages Orianna and Ahri have higher pick rates than either Zed or Yasuo What are you talking about exactly?
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1x9M7rY,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-06T07:52:14.744+0000) > > Shows you know jack shit. W gets maxed last I'm a team player. (Hence, support main.) If I can get away with putting a point in W, I will.
Wow some bronze support main says maxing W second is viable. Alright everybody, please ignore all the Zed mains and completely disregard LLSylish because some random guy who doesnt even play Zed thinks its viable.
Rioter Comments
Lakrosin (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E1x9M7rY,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-02T18:14:20.119+0000) > > His shadow literally has a ***22 second cooldown*** **At max rank**, it is **14 second cool down**. You really think they will keep it at level 1 during laning phase? With all that harass, poking, and zoning potential from a single W in combination of Q? If I was playing Zed, I'd prioritize Q and W. Anyway, his Q in combination of his W and R is kinda what he was talking about. If you are a new player, you don't expect a lot of it. If you are not a new player, you expect to have to be able to dodge every 6 seconds or less. And it isn't just 1 thing they have to dodge every time. He also has a slow built into a 3 second cool down skill. And you wonder why people don't like dealing with him? Forget his laning phase. If it was just his laning phase that was the problem, less people would whine because not everyone plays mid.
> You really think they will keep it at level 1 during laning phase? Shows you know jack shit. W gets maxed last
: what were ADCs like early on in league?
Everything in S1 did a shit ton of damage. **Everything**
: Don't you just love how Tyrnd can kill you at level 3 with three RNG crits in a row?
Level 3? Trynds try for the level 2 all in in most matchups lol
Aleccat (NA)
: This is such a dumb troll post. Understand that out of these listed, Zed has the least conditional mobility in order to ACTUALLY burst. That's why he's overtuned, like many of the other ones listed (shocked you didn't list Yasuo), and has invulnerability in ult and easy jukes. Also keep in mind, all of these listed (bar Fizz [and Zed]) are hard-stopped by hard CC.
Hold on everyone. The Annie main want to teach us about counterplay. > and has invulnerability in ult and easy jukes. Also keep in mind, all of these listed (bar Fizz [and Zed]) are hard-stopped by hard CC. You do realize you know exactly where he is going to be after he ults and it gives you almost a full second to prepare for it right? How do you even lose to Zed as Annie? Annie hard counters him lol. Wait for him to ult, instantly drop tibbers when he appears, and kill him
: so is this what the boards do... look at any champ that happens to be strong for a moment and cry that they are OP and needs nerfs ? just for months on end when people were crying over ivern i noted and commented that NUNU had a higher win rate.... every one ignored it.... their lil circle jerk of hateful tears were on ivern... now that he is out of the way... lets focus on the YETI NOW well due to the buff and reduced cost of cinderhulk all tank junglers are gonna be stronger ... so better buff yi,lee,kha, rengar right ?
When one of the boards more notorious shitposters complains about what the boards do. Made for a good laugh my friend
: Can we gut K6 already? he's been busted for weeks and your nerf didn't do anything
> why was graves nerfed multiple time for having 16% pick rate and 49% win rate meanwhile kha has 16% pick rate and 51% win rate? Yeah if you completely ignore {{champion:104}} had a 60-70% ban rate as well ?
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KjwKQ49,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-06-29T03:33:24.176+0000) > > Was it now? [Let me check this patch by patch history of Ravenous Hydra.](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ravenous_Hydra) Nope. > > Let me compare its stats when it was first released to its stats now: > > and now? When it was hilariously broken the passive stacked. Having 5 tiamats meant you had an AoE 100%AD - 600%AD ratio on your basic attacks.
Lol what you are referring to is {{item:3077}} stacking in early Season 1. {{item:3074}} didnt even exist until Preseason 3. Care to explain how an issue with {{item:3077}} that was fixed like 3-4 years before {{item:3074}} even existed made it "hilariously broken"?
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=AwesomeGuyDj,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KjwKQ49,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-29T03:56:20.524+0000) > > Twitch ult ... I cant tell if youve missed the point or not. Tiamat - and by that hydra - used to be hilariously broken due to its passive stacking. Its passive stacking (and fiora 1v5ing with her ult with only 5 tiamats) was what got the whole "unique passive" thing started.
You couldn't stack Hydras...... You could only stack Tiamats..... {{item:3074}} didnt even exist until preaseason 3. {{item:3077}} stacking was an issue in Season 1 What are you talking about? Stacking Hydras was NEVER a thing
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KjwKQ49,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-06-29T03:33:24.176+0000) > > Was it now? [Let me check this patch by patch history of Ravenous Hydra.](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ravenous_Hydra) Nope. > > Let me compare its stats when it was first released to its stats now: > > and now? When it was hilariously broken the passive stacked. Having 5 tiamats meant you had an AoE 100%AD - 600%AD ratio on your basic attacks.
Nope. {{item:3074}} was always a unique passive. What you're refering to was stacking {{item:3077}} which was not unique
: I've complained all day about how bad assassins have it atm (talon's winrate is laughable) and riot just doesn't seem to care. They'll say "oh yeah! we'll be doing something for assassins here soon!" Which means slow their burst down then nerf their items into oblivion because adc's keep abusing them. They'll comeback and ask "is anyone still playing assassins? No? good! update complete" I don't even know what the point of assassins are anymore seeing as how mages do everything they do but better. -better teamfights -cc -extremely fast burst with no delay -ap so you get real pen items
{{champion:91}} is pretty much the only assassin that made out ok. Oh and {{champion:121}}
TálØnly (EUW)
: They also killed ghostblade because of adcs
RIP bonus attack speed (fuck you {{champion:29}})
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=THQXr0kf,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-29T07:16:38.691+0000) > > You said "this IS the old build path. ***its the build path cleaver has had since season 3***" > > It built out of Brutalizer + {{item:1028}} from preseason 3 to mid season 5. It built out of {{item:3044}} + {{item:3067}} for only a couple months in season 5 before it was changed to {{item:3044}} + {{item:3133}} for the rest of season 5, the entirety of season 6, and early season 7. > > So...... what are you talking about? dude, i literally just said it. previously cleaver built out of {{item:3044}} + {{item:1028}} but its combine cost was also a lot higher than its is now with 1188 gold vs. 950 gold. (they did increase ambient gold generation since then too so those 950 gold are generated faster than they used to be back when the item was more expensive to combine). so the difference is marginal. you can now upgrade the {{item:1028}} to {{item:3067}} before completing the entire item for a lower combine cost, but the build path was ALWAYS health focused.
> previously cleaver built out of {{item:3044}} + {{item:1028}} No, it built of of [***The Brutalizer***](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/The_Brutalizer) + {{item:1028}}. It did not build out of {{item:3044}}. Do you not know what [The Brutalizer](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/The_Brutalizer) is? Lol if you think triple longsword is snowbally, you'll get a kick out of that one. It's a {{item:3133}} and {{item:3134}} smashed together. The Brutalizer was torn apart into those two items and removed from the game lol
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=THQXr0kf,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2017-06-29T07:03:50.440+0000) > > Lol what? Originally it built out of {{item:1038}} + {{item:1042}} this was a completely different item. thats why i said since season 3. > In season 3 it was changed to The Brutalizer + {{item:1028}} > > What are you even talking about? that it always had the health build path. at least the version of cleaver that wasnt an attack speed item. the 3 longsword build path was way too snowbally and made the item too good of a rush item on too many champions. they deliberately changed the path to health stacking over ad stacking and its base stats to more into health, so the item and the build path would favour bruisers over ad stacking champions. it was meant to feel better to build on champions like {{champion:122}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:86}} and less so on squishy marksmen, skirmishers and assassins.
You said "this IS the old build path. ***its the build path cleaver has had since season 3***" It built out of Brutalizer + {{item:1028}} from preseason 3 to mid season 5. It built out of {{item:3044}} + {{item:3067}} for only a couple months in season 5 before it was changed to {{item:3044}} + {{item:3133}} for the rest of season 5, the entirety of season 6, and early season 7. So...... what are you talking about?
: > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=THQXr0kf,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-06-29T01:43:59.625+0000) > > {{item:3071}} feel so shit to build. I want the old build path back. The new {{item:3044}} + {{item:3067}} feels sooooooo bad to build. a) this IS the old build path. its the build path cleaver has had since season 3. the 3 longsword build path was only done during the marksman rework in season 6 and reverted. b) the build path is meant to benefit bruisers. they value the health more than straight ad stacking. no.
> this IS the old build path. its the build path cleaver has had since season 3. the 3 longsword build path was only done during the marksman rework in season 6 and reverted. Lol what? Originally it built out of {{item:1038}} + {{item:1042}} In season 3 it was changed to The Brutalizer + {{item:1028}} What are you even talking about? In mid-season 5 it was changed to {{item:3044}} +{{item:3067}} but changed to {{item:3044}} + {{item:3133}} before the season was even over lmao
rewt127 (NA)
: Rav was broken as fuck a very long time ago. then they nerfed it.
Was it now? [Let me check this patch by patch history of Ravenous Hydra.](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ravenous_Hydra) Nope. Let me compare its stats when it was first released to its stats now: > Release (Preseason 3): > +75 attack damage >+15 health regen per 5 seconds > +10% life steal > UNIQUE PASSIVE – CLEAVE: Your attacks deal up to 60% of your attack damage to units around your target - decaying down to 20% near the edge. > UNIQUE ACTIVE – CRESCENT: Deals up to 100% of your attack damage to units around you - decaying down to 60% near the edge - 10 second cooldown. and now? > Current: > +80 attack damage > +100% base health regeneration > +12% life steal > UNIQUE – CLEAVE: Basic attacks deal (20% to 60% AD) physical damage to units around your target – (20% AD near the edge) (350 units radius). > UNIQUE – CRESCENT: Deals (60% to 100% AD) physical damage to units around you – (60% AD near the edge) (400 units radius) (10 second cooldown).
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Eedat (NA)
: GW needs to be removed. Lifesteal and other self-healers need nerfs to compensate.
> Thank god {{item:3074}}/{{item:3748}} are melee only or else they would be gutted too due to some bullshit {{item:3085}} combo. I GUARANTEE it. Side note: Could you imagine how stupid that would be? It would be like giving every single ADC Jinx Rockets
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