: The old Tribunal was fine. People that just spammed punish would end up with lower waited because they would get wrong. There were plenty of people getting pardoned there particularly the random cases Riot was supposed to look at or things like bans that Riot definitely looked at first before issuing it. I just don't get why after everyone's told them that this new system is a fiasco that they didn't just reinstate the old tribunal while they work on upgrading it. I mean it's not like they needed to take it down anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=WyPHFbWw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-13T15:48:45.793+0000) > > The old Tribunal was fine. People that just spammed punish would end up with lower waited because they would get wrong. There were plenty of people getting pardoned there particularly the random cases Riot was supposed to look at or things like bans that Riot definitely looked at first before issuing it. > > I just don't get why after everyone's told them that this new system is a fiasco that they didn't just reinstate the old tribunal while they work on upgrading it. I mean it's not like they needed to take it down anyway. no everyone spammed punish and used the "you have to be reported a lot to even be there in the first place" to justify it. cases were rarily looked at by riot except for permabans.
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Top PIz (NA)
: Here's What Happened
who the fuck is GLG?
: "AD is so useless, just pick full AP and destroy everything anyway"
> [{quoted}](name=TurquoiseYoshi,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=QQ58mXQJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-04-12T20:50:58.126+0000) > > "AD is so useless, just pick full AP and destroy everything anyway" having extra retarded free dps as well as higher burst on top of 10 times the mobility shouldn't be just given to cancer ad champs for free.
: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Hellp AP meta.
> [{quoted}](name=GotRektGG,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=QQ58mXQJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-12T20:27:26.676+0000) > > LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Hellp AP meta. rofl except they wont be able to deal with tanks even then this just helps trash mages combat cancer ad "casters" who not only outburst them with SPELLS, they also have shitton of no cost dps that mages dont have AS WELL AS retarded mobility that trash mages dont have.
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GIJose65 (NA)
: if the current meta was a living person...
if the current meta was a living person... it would've died of cancer long ago.
: LOL is the ultimate Safe Space
because riot lyte is here. he probably tried to pull this stupid shit into valve games but they fired his ugly bullied depressed ass out of there.
: Gotta love Hearthstone arena
cancerstrike should get banned from arena.
NotSid (NA)
: Can we talk about how Blitz's W is the worst feeling ability in the game?
can we talk about how cancer blitzcrank Q is the worst feeling ability in the game? completely fucking zone out the entire enemy team simply for existing.
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Vei (NA)
: What do people actually get out of building Sunfire Iceborne Gauntlet?
ofc they can rush this shit every game since mages are gutted useless trash that deal 0 damage. fix that so we can see them get PUNISHED and deleted by mages.
IAMS4T4N (NA)
: "we reworked fiora cus her old ult was aids"
no he doesn't, it doesn't deal 1/10'th the damage old fiora ult did and it doesn't lifesteal
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: Ive heard people saying LCS is scripted because of that game. I guess bigger fanbase = have them win? Because its TSM vs CLG in finals isn't it? It seems like a match the fans would want to watch because they're well known teams
> [{quoted}](name=Deathsandwhich,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=5AHyJTo9,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-04-11T11:20:39.458+0000) > > Ive heard people saying LCS is scripted because of that game. I guess bigger fanbase = have them win? Because its TSM vs CLG in finals isn't it? It seems like a match the fans would want to watch because they're well known teams watch as the match turns into an "epic" 5 game series.
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SouL1ess (NA)
: TBH it took League community 4 years to figure out that tank items are broken.
no it took riot to make MR items ridiculously strong AND overprice the FUCK out of mage itemization ON TOP of nerfing them across the board to make tank items ridiculous. you see, before this retarded season came to be, mages spiked 10 minutes earlier than they do now they also were stronger during that 10 minute earlier spike than the current 10 minute late spike, this in effect makes mages completely irrelevant in the game as they're unable to actually snowball any game and punish anyone for not building any MR pre 30 minutes. this change made it so tanks are the ones who snowball the game by just rushing armor/hp health and being unkillable while they abuse the fuck out of their base damage as well as {{item:3068}} aura damage without any possible retaliation.
Vınce (NA)
: Lol so Tryndamere support is getting spammed in Diamond+ now.
more of a problem of cancer AD champs being so retardedly ridiculously OP that they're spammed in all lanes.
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: 65 cs Eve mid.
you got carried by lucian, sit the fuck down.
: Because as if "dude stop feeding" will make that player stop feeding instead of aggravating them further. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Serene Grace,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=cH92AznE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-31T06:46:39.445+0000) > > Because as if "dude stop feeding" will make that player stop feeding instead of aggravating them further. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} i am not here to babysit you bitch. i am here to win, so stop feeding bitch.
: Riot obviously have no idea how to balance their game at all. They should just delete everyone and make League a case opening simulator.
> [{quoted}](name=cheeseburger1837,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Nth4xofA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-31T16:01:29.633+0000) > > Riot obviously have no idea how to balance their game at all. They should just delete everyone and make League a case opening simulator. what riot should do is fucking free themselves from communist chinese tencent, so that the game becomes good again.
: gut cancer ad champs
you know the difference between cancer AD champs and trash AP champs is so massive when a cancer AD assassin is capable deleting tanks while trash ap assassins barely even put a dint to their hp pool
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: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-31T00:41:15.673+0000) > > first of all nobody builds RoA as it is a scaling item and mages have no scaling currently. > 2nd of all without runes and masteries? they give like 30 AP combined. > > so at 550 with your numbers, it's 5 item build pretty much late game. assuming you're not building a defensive item you can get to 700 with dragon and pots > > that is still less than 1 shotting cancer "ad squshies" with the same stats. > > and if you want to go that route of dragon i can also count locket which makes it MUCH harder for a nidalee spear to 1 shot, as well as the FRONTLINE tanking it who wont get scratched by it ON TOP of the mobility a cancer ad champ have BESIDES the shields/heals/auras the support bring outside his items. The frontline could have 200 MR and still be taking 700-1000 damage pre Void Staff. It's hardly an insignificant amount of damage. > > which makes it almost impossible for a nidalee spear to 1 shot even shit mages > > and you're the one ignoring the fact that i already gave you examples of literal 1 shots from cancer AD champs. No, you didn't. You listed a stack of champions that at full build can do 2k DPS. You listed 1 champion that can do a literal 1 shot and that was Nasus. > > and what i said is literally every cancer ad champ can 2-3 shot every mage there is which is true you're the one ignoring that. I already talked about that. Literally any champion with full AD and crit can 2-3 shot any other champion if the other does not build defense. A mage building full AD and crit could 2-3 shot any non tank building AD champion just as easily as the AD could 2-3 shot the mage.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-31T00:46:43.498+0000) > > The frontline could have 200 MR and still be taking 700-1000 damage pre Void Staff. It's hardly an insignificant amount of damage. > > No, you didn't. You listed a stack of champions that at full build can do 2k DPS. You listed 1 champion that can do a literal 1 shot and that was Nasus. > > I already talked about that. Literally any champion with full AD and crit can 2-3 shot any other champion if the other does not build defense. A mage building full AD and crit could 2-3 shot any non tank building AD champion just as easily as the AD could 2-3 shot the mage. at TRIPLE the ap scaling current mages have, a full build nidalee with one of if NOT the highest base damage basic ability which deal more than some ults at MAX distance damage with 6 seconds CD as well as 90 MANA cost SKILLSHOT deals 700 to the front line oh what a balance tragedy. but cancer zed and the rest of cancer AD champs shredding through a full tank within 3 seconds is not a big deal. ok as i said, rengar and khazix can do literal 1 shots also mages can't 20 shot cancer AD champs, let alone 2-3 shots.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:47:48.758+0000) > > as i stated i already gave you cancer ad champs that can literally 1 shot. no AP champ can do that. No, you didn't. You listed several champions and said "lol they can do 2k dps full build". That's not a one shot or even in the same ballpark as one. > 2 items behind with 500 AP? LOL where have you been living at. Pretty normal one. Deathcap + Void Staff is 260 AP already, not counting runes, masteries, or dragon. The 2 items behind was because ana dc that actually owns 2 MR items is either full build or having a seizure. > > it's been a long time since AP champs' full build was more than 550. so nidalee is not behind at those numbers What the hell are you using as AP's then. RoA is 100 AP and built on everyone, Void Staff is 80 (again, built on everyone) and Deathcap is 120 (+30% AP) and built on almost every AP. That's 390 AP with 3 items built on almost every semi tanky mid (with most non tanky losing 20 AP by switching RoA with Morellonomicon). Any other big ticket AP item puts them close to 550...and that's with just 4 items, no runes, no masteries, and no dragon. > > also typical cancer AD champ with a maw and typical runes is at 105.92 MR Base MR is 30. I'm assuming a ranged champion, as complaining about the DPS of autoattack is ridiculious otherwise. That means no scaling. Maw is 50 MR, giving them 80 MR total. Scaling MR puts them at your estimate. > *0.65 = 68.25 - 15 magic pen from boots = 53.848 - Mpen 8.5 runes = 45.348 MR > > at 1- 100/145.348= 32% resistance > > 2190 *68% =1502 > > no champ have 1502 hp late gam, so it's less than 1 shotting any cancer AD champ at late game. So it's merely a 75% max hp 1500 range 6 second cooldown nuke for an AD champion that built to counter magic damage. Which is still a 2 shot, and with 700 AP is a one shot (excepting health items being bought, at which point it's still a 2 shot). Which still means your proposed change would make Nidalee force anything hit out of the fight entirely. Let me repeat something I've said multiple times and you've ignored. Prove exactly how EVERY AD champion can one shot. Don't pull up more of your bullshit "I'm not going to explain anything or provide any proof outside of posting a champion square", actually show it.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-31T00:11:50.531+0000) > > No, you didn't. You listed several champions and said "lol they can do 2k dps full build". That's not a one shot or even in the same ballpark as one. > > Pretty normal one. Deathcap + Void Staff is 260 AP already, not counting runes, masteries, or dragon. The 2 items behind was because ana dc that actually owns 2 MR items is either full build or having a seizure. > > What the hell are you using as AP's then. RoA is 100 AP and built on everyone, Void Staff is 80 (again, built on everyone) and Deathcap is 120 (+30% AP) and built on almost every AP. That's 390 AP with 3 items built on almost every semi tanky mid (with most non tanky losing 20 AP by switching RoA with Morellonomicon). Any other big ticket AP item puts them close to 550...and that's with just 4 items, no runes, no masteries, and no dragon. > > Base MR is 30. I'm assuming a ranged champion, as complaining about the DPS of autoattack is ridiculious otherwise. That means no scaling. Maw is 50 MR, giving them 80 MR total. Scaling MR puts them at your estimate. > > So it's merely a 75% max hp 1500 range 6 second cooldown nuke for an AD champion that built to counter magic damage. Which is still a 2 shot, and with 700 AP is a one shot (excepting health items being bought, at which point it's still a 2 shot). Which still means your proposed change would make Nidalee force anything hit out of the fight entirely. > > > > Let me repeat something I've said multiple times and you've ignored. Prove exactly how EVERY AD champion can one shot. Don't pull up more of your bullshit "I'm not going to explain anything or provide any proof outside of posting a champion square", actually show it. first of all nobody builds RoA as it is a scaling item and mages have no scaling currently. 2nd of all without runes and masteries? they give like 30 AP combined. so at 550 with your numbers, it's 5 item build pretty much late game. assuming you're not building a defensive item you can get to 700 with dragon and pots that is still less than 1 shotting cancer "ad squshies" with the same stats. and if you want to go that route of dragon i can also count locket which makes it MUCH harder for a nidalee spear to 1 shot, as well as the FRONTLINE tanking it who wont get scratched by it ON TOP of the mobility a cancer ad champ have BESIDES the shields/heals/auras the support bring outside his items. which makes it almost impossible for a nidalee spear to 1 shot even shit mages and you're the one ignoring the fact that i already gave you examples of literal 1 shots from cancer AD champs. and what i said is literally every cancer ad champ can 2-3 shot every mage there is which is true you're the one ignoring that. also you're ignoring the fact that ALL MAGES damage come through SKILLSHOTS whereas CANCER AD champs have 0 cost targeted 1:1 AD ratio autoattacks that scales retarded hard with AS and crit which mages have no access to. you're also ignoring the fact that on top of this, cancer ad "casters, assassins" get to have HIGHER spell damage rotations, higher mobility at frequently little to no cost requiring them to itemize for it (mana) without any drawbacks as well as the access to STRAIGHT UP BETTER itemization as well as the access to BETTER anti mage items than there are anti cancer AD ITEMS for mages without sacrificing a single damage point or gold efficiency for it?
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=yEzTja61,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:55:40.887+0000) > > idc what explanation they gave to the dumbfuck public. as i stated earlier, it's combination of stats made perfect sense as an anti mage item, and anyone who wanted to build anti mage item built it to invalidate them because of how strong of a counter it is to mages. > > much like current MR items. "I don't like the explanation so I'm going to pretend that it's fake and make up my own explanation XD XD XD"
> [{quoted}](name=Sweetheart Annie,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=yEzTja61,comment-id=00030001000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:59:18.583+0000) > > "I don't like the explanation so I'm going to pretend that it's fake and make up my own explanation XD XD XD" very mature. i don't care to read the explanation, but if your summary is true then it's a dumbshit explanation served to fill dumbasses like you with bullshit to accept the fact that they're removing it as i said earlier, its combination of stats made perfect sense and was very logical as an anti mage item which is what it was. it made mages powerless against it. it hard countered mages, so they removed it. shitton of MR to reduce damage taken. MS to dodge skillshots. (cancer AD champs' damage is targeted and most MAGES have skillshot spells) health regen to sustain back damage taken from burst to make it harder to die through another rotation of spells as well as to highly reduce the effect of their poke.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=yEzTja61,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:31:50.159+0000) > > except the fact that it made total sense in its combination of stats as an anti mage item > > MR to reduce damage. > MS to dodge the skillshots > health regen to sustain back your hp after getting hit by their burst. > > it was removed because it was OP and invalidated AP champs. much like current MR items vs mages http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/11/removal-of-fon-altars-nerfed-in-ttl-and.html >Xypherous broke the news earlier today that Force of Nature is being removed in the S3 item rework and it's various stats/passives are being distrusted on to other items. He said: > "Hm. This probably isn't a good time to mention that I removed FoN and scattered its various passives and pieces to the wind onto other items. > On the plus side though, Tanks now get to build Warmog's and not feel silly. >Although you'll still be able to build every piece of FoN used to offer. It just won't be rolled up into the particular stat combination. This counts against my spoiler count for the day. :P" >He elaborated on the removal by mentioning what the problem is with the present day Force of Nature > "Force of Nature served three purposes, one of which we couldn't make good. >1. High end MR item on one item. >We're not sure that a single rushed item should counter mages so heavily. So buying FoN for raw magic resistance was always going to be somewhat of a trap because we could never make it *good* to have this much MR on a single item without it simply being cost-inefficient so it could be slot-efficient. > There are ways to make an item cost-inefficient for selfish MR while still making it cost-efficient as a whole for MR though... yneration/Siege > This we liked, but the fact that it was tied to a movement speed item and a magic resist item was a little weird. It didn't quite seem to click, so tanks that had to itemize regeneration kind of picked up a bunch of stats randomly. >Also, the tri-fecta of Warmogs / Spirit Visage / FoN was actually incredibly hard to get a good sense of balance. Mostly because it turns "on" super-late but mostly because they build on each other a little too much. While we like the build of 'I am unstoppable brick wall of regeneration' - we think that right now it's both really hard to get *and* overpowered when finished and we'd really like to see it be a more viable build that's more in line when it does happen so people feel like they aren't taking long-gambits but more of a choice on how to itemize. >3. Movement Speed >The whole paradigm of X class gets a MS item Y is actually starting to show where the faults are. In order to specialize for movement speed, you have to build into a very specific item - which naturally creates this weird power gap where a class that is perfectly catered by item Y gets MS while every other class pays a gold tax of unwanted stats to get the same mobility. This naturally leads to people wanting more MS/X items for a specific class - which seems to suggest that maybe what people actually want is more ubiquitous movement options that don't consume slots rather than a continuous stream of one-off items with MS% randomly on it. >For example, Lich Bane is the AP item with movement speed on it. That kind of screws every AP caster who doesn't want Lich Bane or can't use it well. This leads to this weird case where randomly, some class of characters get faster just because they can use Lich Bane well. While it's nice to have a few items like this - it's probably a sign as a whole that people want to be able to somehow spend more gold to get mobility rather than they want catered items that have MS on the item." basically, it gave a weird combination of stats that only benefited a certain pool of champs within its target champ pool aka "it gave a weird combination of stats"
> [{quoted}](name=Sweetheart Annie,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=yEzTja61,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:37:12.952+0000) > > http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/11/removal-of-fon-altars-nerfed-in-ttl-and.html > yneration/Siege > > basically, it gave a weird combination of stats that only benefited a certain pool of champs within its target champ pool > aka "it gave a weird combination of stats" idc what explanation they gave to the dumbfuck public. as i stated earlier, it's combination of stats made perfect sense as an anti mage item, and anyone who wanted to build anti mage item built it to invalidate them because of how strong of a counter it is to mages. much like current MR items.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:18:07.863+0000) > > plenty of champs can easily hit 2k+ dps with a single attack speed item and/or 4 AD items.{{champion:18}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:126}} I didn't say DPS. I said one shot as your quote was "all AD champions can one shot". How hard is this that you cannot even understand your own words you typed? > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:19:54.262+0000) > > some can do that through abusing their kits like{{champion:75}} through Qs and {{champion:92}} through abusing attack resets > > also typical cancer ad "squishies" have 40% + reduction AFTER magic pen is applied with a single mr > > so 2190 RAW magic damage is NOT enough to 1 shot any of them. Nasus was one of the ones I listed as theoretically being able to one shot, bravo. Now actually mathematically list some more. Riven does not count as she still cannot one shot. For a squishy to have 40%+ resistances after reduction means they had at least 67 resistances after penetration. Unless the squishy bought 1+ high MR items they cannot reach that, and the ones that did reach that needed 90 resistances to have that count from a Void Staff alone. That means they need 1 big ticket MR item (maw, mercurial) and a 2nd MR item or lots of MR runes. But hey, if you want to use numbers for a squishy that already fully built a defensive item and a half I can use numbers for a Nidalee that isn't 2+ items behind. 700 AP is around full build and provides 2910 damage, 35% magic pen, and 15 flat pen. At 100 MR (very high end for a squishy) penetration reduces them to 50 MR, or 33% damage reduction vs magic. At normal squishy health (2k) their effective health is 2667, or as I like to call it **still a one shot**.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:31:51.012+0000) > > I didn't say DPS. I said one shot as your quote was "all AD champions can one shot". How hard is this that you cannot even understand your own words you typed? > > Nasus was one of the ones I listed as theoretically being able to one shot, bravo. Now actually mathematically list some more. Riven does not count as she still cannot one shot. > > For a squishy to have 40%+ resistances after reduction means they had at least 67 resistances after penetration. Unless the squishy bought 1+ high MR items they cannot reach that, and the ones that did reach that needed 90 resistances to have that count from a Void Staff alone. That means they need 1 big ticket MR item (maw, mercurial) and a 2nd MR item or lots of MR runes. > > But hey, if you want to use numbers for a squishy that already fully built a defensive item and a half I can use numbers for a Nidalee that isn't 2+ items behind. 700 AP is around full build and provides 2910 damage, 35% magic pen, and 15 flat pen. At 100 MR (very high end for a squishy) penetration reduces them to 50 MR, or 33% damage reduction vs magic. At normal squishy health (2k) their effective health is 2667, or as I like to call it **still a one shot**. as i stated i already gave you cancer ad champs that can literally 1 shot. no AP champ can do that. 2 items behind with 500 AP? LOL where have you been living at. it's been a long time since AP champs' full build was more than 550. so nidalee is not behind at those numbers also typical cancer AD champ with a maw and typical runes is at 105.92 MR *0.65 = 68.25 - 15 magic pen from boots = 53.848 - Mpen 8.5 runes = 45.348 MR at 1- 100/145.348= 32% resistance 2190 *68% =1502 no champ have 1502 hp late gam, so it's less than 1 shotting any cancer AD champ at late game.
: actually, fon was removed because it gave a weird combination of stats
> [{quoted}](name=Sweetheart Annie,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=yEzTja61,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:50:56.747+0000) > > actually, fon was removed because it gave a weird combination of stats except the fact that it made total sense in its combination of stats as an anti mage item MR to reduce damage. MS to dodge the skillshots health regen to sustain back your hp after getting hit by their burst. it was removed because it was OP and invalidated AP champs. much like current MR items vs mages
: > [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:59:09.175+0000) > > Really? What numbers were random or out of thin air? 2k autoattack is based on what you said and I pointed out it's basically impossible for most champions. The only other numbers are at Nidalee's Q, which are just extremely basic effective health (effective health = health x damage resistance (which is 1 - (100/100+Armor)). > > Better than you did. I refuted most of your points; you went 'lol i dont believe you' and did nothing else and showed no proof. > > DPS is damage per second, yes. In 1 second a mage has the second highest DPS in the game (following only assassins). This is because mages are almost all burst, and burst is better for a 1 second window compared to sustained. A mage will do 4k or 5k damage in their initial combo while an adc does 1.5k, but the adc will be doing 1.5k every second while the mage can only toss in autoattacks and a Q or such every few seconds afterwards. > > My edit, as you might somehow be referring to it, was not talking about DPS. You said, and I quote > > You did not refer to DPS at all. I did not refer to DPS at all. I talked about how Nidalee Q becomes a literal one shot: you said AD champions can easily do that to. So prove it. Show me, mathematically, how any AD champion can easily kill any squishy with shot. > > 2+ hits requires them to be an adc with at least 2 attack speed items. For them to also hit 2000+ damage they cannot have AS items as 4 AD items will never provide enough for them to hit 2k. Try again. plenty of champs can easily hit 2k+ dps with a single attack speed item and/or 4 AD items.{{champion:18}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:126}}
> [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T23:18:07.863+0000) > > plenty of champs can easily hit 2k+ dps with a single attack speed item and/or 4 AD items.{{champion:18}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:126}} some can do that through abusing their kits like{{champion:75}} through Qs and {{champion:92}} through abusing attack resets also typical cancer ad "squishies" have 40% + reduction AFTER magic pen is applied with a single mr item so 2190 RAW magic damage is NOT enough to 1 shot any of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:45:59.856+0000) > > again with random ass numbers out of thin air Really? What numbers were random or out of thin air? 2k autoattack is based on what you said and I pointed out it's basically impossible for most champions. The only other numbers are at Nidalee's Q, which are just extremely basic effective health (effective health = health x damage resistance (which is 1 - (100/100+Armor)). > > you sure proved your points Better than you did. I refuted most of your points; you went 'lol i dont believe you' and did nothing else and showed no proof. > > also DPS =/= 1 hit, since you're a dumbfuck ill spell it out for you. DPS = Damage Per Second DPS is damage per second, yes. In 1 second a mage has the second highest DPS in the game (following only assassins). This is because mages are almost all burst, and burst is better for a 1 second window compared to sustained. A mage will do 4k or 5k damage in their initial combo while an adc does 1.5k, but the adc will be doing 1.5k every second while the mage can only toss in autoattacks and a Q or such every few seconds afterwards. My edit, as you might somehow be referring to it, was not talking about DPS. You said, and I quote > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:15:24.634+0000) > > why are you tripling base damages? also nothing wrong with nidalee one shotting squishies at 500 AP. that's late game and **all cancer ad champs can easily one shot too.** oh and btw there's no squishy ad champs. they're all tanky. You did not refer to DPS at all. I did not refer to DPS at all. I talked about how Nidalee Q becomes a literal one shot: you said AD champions can easily do that to. So prove it. Show me, mathematically, how any AD champion can easily kill any squishy with shot. > > at 2 + hits a second, cancer AD champs can easily deal 2k+ 2+ hits requires them to be an adc with at least 2 attack speed items. For them to also hit 2000+ damage they cannot have AS items as 4 AD items will never provide enough for them to hit 2k. Try again.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:59:09.175+0000) > > Really? What numbers were random or out of thin air? 2k autoattack is based on what you said and I pointed out it's basically impossible for most champions. The only other numbers are at Nidalee's Q, which are just extremely basic effective health (effective health = health x damage resistance (which is 1 - (100/100+Armor)). > > Better than you did. I refuted most of your points; you went 'lol i dont believe you' and did nothing else and showed no proof. > > DPS is damage per second, yes. In 1 second a mage has the second highest DPS in the game (following only assassins). This is because mages are almost all burst, and burst is better for a 1 second window compared to sustained. A mage will do 4k or 5k damage in their initial combo while an adc does 1.5k, but the adc will be doing 1.5k every second while the mage can only toss in autoattacks and a Q or such every few seconds afterwards. > > My edit, as you might somehow be referring to it, was not talking about DPS. You said, and I quote > > You did not refer to DPS at all. I did not refer to DPS at all. I talked about how Nidalee Q becomes a literal one shot: you said AD champions can easily do that to. So prove it. Show me, mathematically, how any AD champion can easily kill any squishy with shot. > > 2+ hits requires them to be an adc with at least 2 attack speed items. For them to also hit 2000+ damage they cannot have AS items as 4 AD items will never provide enough for them to hit 2k. Try again. plenty of champs can easily hit 2k+ dps with a single attack speed item and/or 4 AD items.{{champion:18}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:126}}
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:12:11.650+0000) > > because your post with these retarded high numbers are obviously not a single skill. because there's no 675 instant stun single ability. Good thing I didn't say single ability then. That's Annie's RW. > > you shouldn't post random numbers with biased as fuck descriptions. tell the champion ability and ap ratios rather than doing some stupid combining shit you're pulling here. {{champion:30}} - R {{champion:7}} - EQRW {{champion:9}} - W, 2nd part is R Already went over Annie {{champion:50}} - EQ {{champion:76}} - Human Q I already said the AP ratios with it: those are the tripled ratios which you **might** notice are completely batshit insane. For example, the Fiddlesticks ratios are enough for him to wipe out literally every champion on the enemy team including full tanks. The LeBlanc ratios are high enough that just QR one shots every squishy, and WR one shots everything except full tanks. None of this is close to balanced in the slightest. > > also cancer ad champs have STRONGER burst in their abilities than MAGES when they have 2k 0 cost targeted DPS to go along with it when mages have NOTHING but BURST. No, they really don't. Firstly, only a full build adc, full build Gangplank, or Nasus/AD Thresh can hit those numbers. And the adcs have to be Jhin or Draven, as it turns out hitting a 2k crit on champions is basically impossible for everyone else. Yes, AD champions do have higher sustained damage compared to mages: their burst is also weaker (compare Zed to LeBlanc, Azir to an ADC, the sheer amount of AP compared to AD along with ratios) in return for having better sustained. Mages burst as much (and usually more) than any ad champion while doing it faster. > > cancer rengar can 1 shot squishies with ease so can cancer khazix. Rengar's one shot requires him to be almost full build, the adc to not buy Sterak's, and the adc to get hit by his entire combo without reacting. Kha'Zix straight up cannot one shot no matter his build unless his team contains a full AP Janna, a Taric, and an enemy team with the brain power of you. > > all cancer ad champs are capable of 2-3 shotting every mage there is. note that "mage" because cancer ad champs are much tankier and with much higher mobility than trash mages. all while having HIGHER damage in their SPELL rotations and a shitton of cancer DPS no cost targeted bs. If they build full ad crit, the mages let them get close, and the mages never bought any items sure. But then, every single mage could one shot every ad champion by that criteria also. AD champions tend to be tankier with more mobility because they also have less CC, more risk, and less range. They have lower damage outside of a few assassins compared to utility mages, and while their DPS is higher it also requires them to usually be in melee range or have built full damage because they are an adc. > > if mages are to be balanced with cancer AD champs, their SPELLS must be on a DIFFERENT fucking league than cancer AD champs' as well as their DPS in 1 second. Their spells already are. AP champions have higher ratios with more of their scaling stat, more CC, and more range. Changing their DPS in 1 second doesn't mean much as most of their burst combo for both takes 1 second. > > oh and btw nidalee aint one shotting any squishy with a single Q with triple scaling. which shows how trash AP champs really are. Yes, she is. At level 18 a squishy has an effective health vs magic of 2600. Nidalee's Q would do 2190 damage. With Sorcerer's Shoes and magic pen runes Nidalee does enough to oneshot (as it moves their effective health to 2100). At 700 AP Nidalee is one shotting squishies with some bonus MR while Nidalee has 0 magic pen. And this is on a 6 second cooldown skill that can be fired from fog of war and still go an extra 400 units. You complain about AD champions, but an AP champion dealing 1k+ damage to full tanks from 1500 range away is infinitely worse. > > 1 MAX damage Q at MAX distance would deal 2190 RAW MAGIC damage. Yes. > > not enough to 1 shot anything even mages. Unless Nidalee built like a complete moron it's enough to one shot mages and adcs. *EDIT* Also as an aside...you didn't answer my question. > [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:58:57.751+0000) > > But hey, obviously AD champions can one shot. **So prove it. Find me the straight math that shows an AD champion can, with one single skill/ability/auto, easily one shot an enemy champion that is level 18.**
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T22:40:05.674+0000) > > Good thing I didn't say single ability then. That's Annie's RW. > > {{champion:30}} - R > {{champion:7}} - EQRW > {{champion:9}} - W, 2nd part is R > Already went over Annie > {{champion:50}} - EQ > {{champion:76}} - Human Q > > I already said the AP ratios with it: those are the tripled ratios which you **might** notice are completely batshit insane. For example, the Fiddlesticks ratios are enough for him to wipe out literally every champion on the enemy team including full tanks. The LeBlanc ratios are high enough that just QR one shots every squishy, and WR one shots everything except full tanks. None of this is close to balanced in the slightest. > > No, they really don't. Firstly, only a full build adc, full build Gangplank, or Nasus/AD Thresh can hit those numbers. And the adcs have to be Jhin or Draven, as it turns out hitting a 2k crit on champions is basically impossible for everyone else. Yes, AD champions do have higher sustained damage compared to mages: their burst is also weaker (compare Zed to LeBlanc, Azir to an ADC, the sheer amount of AP compared to AD along with ratios) in return for having better sustained. Mages burst as much (and usually more) than any ad champion while doing it faster. > > Rengar's one shot requires him to be almost full build, the adc to not buy Sterak's, and the adc to get hit by his entire combo without reacting. Kha'Zix straight up cannot one shot no matter his build unless his team contains a full AP Janna, a Taric, and an enemy team with the brain power of you. > > If they build full ad crit, the mages let them get close, and the mages never bought any items sure. But then, every single mage could one shot every ad champion by that criteria also. AD champions tend to be tankier with more mobility because they also have less CC, more risk, and less range. They have lower damage outside of a few assassins compared to utility mages, and while their DPS is higher it also requires them to usually be in melee range or have built full damage because they are an adc. > > Their spells already are. AP champions have higher ratios with more of their scaling stat, more CC, and more range. Changing their DPS in 1 second doesn't mean much as most of their burst combo for both takes 1 second. > > Yes, she is. At level 18 a squishy has an effective health vs magic of 2600. Nidalee's Q would do 2190 damage. With Sorcerer's Shoes and magic pen runes Nidalee does enough to oneshot (as it moves their effective health to 2100). At 700 AP Nidalee is one shotting squishies with some bonus MR while Nidalee has 0 magic pen. > > And this is on a 6 second cooldown skill that can be fired from fog of war and still go an extra 400 units. You complain about AD champions, but an AP champion dealing 1k+ damage to full tanks from 1500 range away is infinitely worse. > > Yes. > > Unless Nidalee built like a complete moron it's enough to one shot mages and adcs. again with random ass numbers out of thin air you sure proved your points also DPS =/= 1 hit, since you're a dumbfuck ill spell it out for you. DPS = Damage Per Second at 2 + hits a second, cancer AD champs can easily deal 2k+ cancer ad "squishies" have way more than 2100 effective hp vs magic damage even with all the penetrations. also at counting fiddle W full duration LOLOLOLOLOLO oh and also what's the point of mentioning an assassin as a mage? she's obviously not a mage, she's an assassin. AP, but she's still an assassin. obviously AP assassins need less than the triple bonus scaling because they're not immobile. the way to buff them is by increasing their base damages by like 50% so that they are relevant again mid game but don't scale as well as MAGES into the late game.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:15:24.634+0000) > > why are you tripling base damages? also nothing wrong with nidalee one shotting squishies at 500 AP. that's late game and all cancer ad champs can easily one shot too. oh and btw there's no squishy ad champs. they're all tanky. Those are normal base damages. I'm unsure why you would think a rank 3 Karthus ult's base damage would be 183, especially considering it's 250 at rank 1. Also, I don't think you understand. That's a single Nidalee spear. That's not Nidalee cougar jumping in and comboing: it is 1 single spear. She has enough damage to completely murder any squishy in the game with a single Q. For tanky champions she would need 2, and for the super tanks (Mundo, Sion) she might even need 3. As in Nidalee would be throwing spears that either kill or entirely remove the enemy champion hit from the fight, and these spears would do that same kill/remove for every single enemy champion. But hey, obviously AD champions can one shot. So prove it. Find me the straight math that shows an AD champion can, with one single skill/ability/auto, easily one shot an enemy champion that is level 18.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:58:57.751+0000) > > Those are normal base damages. I'm unsure why you would think a rank 3 Karthus ult's base damage would be 183, especially considering it's 250 at rank 1. > > Also, I don't think you understand. That's a single Nidalee spear. That's not Nidalee cougar jumping in and comboing: it is 1 single spear. She has enough damage to completely murder any squishy in the game with a single Q. For tanky champions she would need 2, and for the super tanks (Mundo, Sion) she might even need 3. As in Nidalee would be throwing spears that either kill or entirely remove the enemy champion hit from the fight, and these spears would do that same kill/remove for every single enemy champion. > > But hey, obviously AD champions can one shot. So prove it. Find me the straight math that shows an AD champion can, with one single skill/ability/auto, easily one shot an enemy champion that is level 18. because your post with these retarded high numbers are obviously not a single skill. because there's no 675 instant stun single ability. you shouldn't post random numbers with biased as fuck descriptions. tell the champion ability and ap ratios rather than doing some stupid combining shit you're pulling here. also cancer ad champs have STRONGER burst in their abilities than MAGES when they have 2k 0 cost targeted DPS to go along with it when mages have NOTHING but BURST. cancer rengar can 1 shot squishies with ease so can cancer khazix. all cancer ad champs are capable of 2-3 shotting every mage there is. note that "mage" because cancer ad champs are much tankier and with much higher mobility than trash mages. all while having HIGHER damage in their SPELL rotations and a shitton of cancer DPS no cost targeted bs. if mages are to be balanced with cancer AD champs, their SPELLS must be on a DIFFERENT fucking league than cancer AD champs' as well as their DPS in 1 second. oh and btw nidalee aint one shotting any squishy with a single Q with triple scaling. which shows how trash AP champs really are. 1 MAX damage Q at MAX distance would deal 2190 RAW MAGIC damage. not enough to 1 shot anything even mages.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=hOJtNmLk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:45:54.808+0000) > > oh and also all ap items should cost 1000 less. "I want to be blacklisted asap"
> [{quoted}](name=Wanfear,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=hOJtNmLk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:46:53.236+0000) > > "I want to be blacklisted asap" again, gfy cancer ad champs abuser.
: zhonya's active should be in seeker's armguard
oh and also all ap items should cost 1000 less.
: no
> [{quoted}](name=Chaoticbanana,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=hOJtNmLk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-30T21:42:42.655+0000) > > no gfy cancer ad champs abuser
Rioter Comments
: 550 (+180% AP) to all enemy champions. 1435 (+1080% AP) combo in 2 seconds. 900 (+675% AP) over 5 seconds. Also of note is this can go with his AoE 1625 (+675% AP) skill. 675 (+495% AP) with an instant stun and an AoE 40 (+60% AP) per second field that follows enemies. 588 (612% AP) with a scaling slow and 20% increased damage to the target. This is all point and click. 390 (+360% AP) from over an entire screen away on a 6 second cooldown. For reference this means at ~500 AP Nidalee could literally one shot every single squishy with her Q.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-30T13:26:51.551+0000) > > 550 (+180% AP) to all enemy champions. > > 1435 (+1080% AP) combo in 2 seconds. > > 900 (+675% AP) over 5 seconds. Also of note is this can go with his AoE 1625 (+675% AP) skill. > > 675 (+495% AP) with an instant stun and an AoE 40 (+60% AP) per second field that follows enemies. > > 588 (612% AP) with a scaling slow and 20% increased damage to the target. This is all point and click. > > 390 (+360% AP) from over an entire screen away on a 6 second cooldown. > > For reference this means at ~500 AP Nidalee could literally one shot every single squishy with her Q. why are you tripling base damages? also nothing wrong with nidalee one shotting squishies at 500 AP. that's late game and all cancer ad champs can easily one shot too. oh and btw there's no squishy ad champs. they're all tanky.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Qh8jnmaw,comment-id=001b00000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T12:08:58.148+0000) > > what if it was no-scope 360 headshot? No-scopes only ever deal 50 damage and cannot do headshots.
> [{quoted}](name=BLU Medic,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Qh8jnmaw,comment-id=001b000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-30T12:13:07.086+0000) > > No-scopes only ever deal 50 damage and cannot do headshots. but shouldn't no-scopes have higher reward for requiring higher skill to pull off? i guess that means the game is bad.
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Qh8jnmaw,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2016-03-30T11:44:42.026+0000) > > can someone tell me wtf is going on? I have no idea. I'm just posting random TF2 crap. Fun fact, a Sniper's fully charged, scoped in headshot does 450 damage. The most health you can have in TF2 is 450 health, as an overhealed Heavy.
> [{quoted}](name=BLU Medic,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Qh8jnmaw,comment-id=001b0000,timestamp=2016-03-30T12:04:35.231+0000) > > I have no idea. > > I'm just posting random TF2 crap. > > Fun fact, a Sniper's fully charged, scoped in headshot does 450 damage. The most health you can have in TF2 is 450 health, as an overhealed Heavy. what if it was no-scope 360 headshot?
Kiyoish (NA)
: some mages are so strong they can be played as supports with almost no ap items okay.
> [{quoted}](name=Kiyoish,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=wJYkrNA0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-30T11:53:00.396+0000) > > some mages are so strong they can be played as supports with almost no ap items > > > okay. don't you mean so weak that they have no place going for a carry position when they don't deal any damage?
Rioter Comments
: Heel Team 6 plays half of you for fools and you just sit there and let her.
: You can still get an S+ and lose
16.2k gold and still on tier 1 boots. you dont deserve the win or the S+
: Remember when everyone thought Leblanc was really bad in Season 2-3?
> [{quoted}](name=Desiderium,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=TAAWqhNk,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-03-29T05:23:29.333+0000) > > Good times... > > Faster chains, had a silence, and people always thought she was weak as hell. let's forget the garbage ult and 0 damage not capable of waveclearing W
: > [{quoted}](name=WinteraEvanz,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=nfMNLZky,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-03-29T19:36:18.877+0000) > > BUFF MAGES YOU FUCKING MORONS I've been doing fine with annie tbh... Q minion proceed to farm until 6 and then all in the other ap carry and then Q-W the adc and win game
> [{quoted}](name=Jigglypuff,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=nfMNLZky,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-03-29T21:21:45.738+0000) > > I've been doing fine with annie tbh... Q minion proceed to farm until 6 and then all in the other ap carry and then Q-W the adc and win game rofl yeah maybe against other ap carry you can do that. but not against any other ad cancer champ because hexdrinker invalidates you so badly and they can easily 100-0 you without even their ults.
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