Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 20
What’s going on with {{champion:43}} ? You’re nerfng her again. Is there a reason you are nerfing her again after buffing her? You’ve done nothing on her for six years and she’s in the same spot? Give her a GU.
: You are great at portraying there are no problems
Get rid of Runes Reforged all together and just keep the Keystone masteries. The game started not being fun when they added all these horrible runes that are one sided, useless or broken on certain champions. Also, fix the horrible matchmaking and punishment system.
: Join Us Oct. 15th to Celebrate 10 Years of League
I would love to support your game but you: 1) Keep adding new champions into the game with annoying kits who get prioritized reworks and content. They also take time and attention away from existing champions. You cannot keep up with the champion pool anymore and you remain ignorant towards your older champion pool on a art, gameplay identity and kit level. 2) You continue to cancel gamemodes and claim to have tried your best with them but you haven’t. You have nothing but excuses and a lazy work ethic. Yet here you are taking Developers away from everything else in the game to work on TFT which isn’t even fun anymore because of how annoying it is. 3) You are worse than EA at this point. You are getting incredibly greedy with the content you create and what is being introduced into the game. There comes a point where it is too much and it just makes you look bad and greedy. You also lie when you say you don’t buff champions who have a skin coming out. 4) Issues that plague the game from last year, are still in the game. You refuse to address the issues and it makes the game not fun. The matchmaking system is terrible and so is the punishment system. 5) Finally you just don’t care anymore. What do you expect from us anymore? People have lost faith in your ability to create fun content. It’s bias content that revolves around the same problems, champions and LCS you covet. I won’t be coming to your anniversary event thing because I can care less at this point in time. Your game sucks and so does your work ethic.
Rioter Comments
: im just saying it could happen since she is a complicated champ that looks simple but has a lot of different spells interactions
Are you kidding me? She has one of the most dull and lamest kits in the game. Even new Karma mains know it. Every single ability on Karma exists on another champion or item active. You don’t seem to play the champion if you think every single thing in her kit has a unique and amazing interaction. It doesn’t. Stop trying to paint them in a light that they look innocent. Riot Developers don’t care and I’ve had Conversations with them, over the past six years.
: Meanwhile everyother champ is getting gameplay update. And riot cancels karma one time and forgets her. Wtf they actually do?? No ultimate skin too...is it that hard to give one ultimate skin per year. Damn they suck.
They've reworked Aatrox more than 3 times the past year and Akali and Irelia are getting up there. Ryze gets a update/rework almost every single year. Riot should be doing more mini VGU and GU on champions. They don't care.
Rioter Comments
: its also possible that they have not found a decent rework kit for her
That is not the case at all. Meddler refuses al allocate even a ounce of extra time to Karma. The Developer in charge of the Karma GU last year has almost 70 plus posts about the direction and ideas to take Karma in. There were new and old Karma mains giving feedback to them and the general consensus was they wanted a new Mantra W, more damage moves and overall wanting the fans back. The Developers have it. The Developers refuse to do anything that interferes with another Aatrox, Akali. Irelia, or Ryze rework/update. They have a horrible and bias work ethic.
Rioter Comments
: Wasn't Karma one of the first VGUs? That's why she's got a classic skin.
> [{quoted}](name=A Swarm of Koala,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Om3qQpPm,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-11T00:12:58.229+0000) > > Wasn't Karma one of the first VGUs? That's why she's got a classic skin. She was and Karma was given to a guy who never played the champion once and had no working knowledge of reworking and doing VGU. Karma's visuals and model was VERY much rushed. The Developers got massive backlash for removing her fans and dress so they did a hackjob with the dress and then put the fans on the recall for Karma. It was a mess of a VGU and continues to be an eyesore because nothing is actually fully fleshed out and fully conceptualized, but the community today thinks she is fully completed and there is absolutely nothing wrong with her. Riot has said otherwise over the years and so have the Karma mains from 6 years ago (when the VGU began). Karma needs SMALL kit work with her Mantra, a actual gameplay direction that isn't one sided towards one subgroup of players, more unique gameplay elements to Karma, and a completed model. Riot owes us that much because the players that once fought hard to get changes, left the game and no longer play it. The old Karma players used to outweigh the new Karma players but they got tired of trying to deal with a group of Developers that care about adding new champions with broken kits and modern art and reworking a new or popular champions every patch cycle. I don't play league that much anymore for the shear fact that this Developement team is terrible.
Rodsquad (EUW)
: What Ezreal Tier reworks do you want?
{{champion:32}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:36}} Needs a full scale VGU. {{champion:43}} {{champion:98}} Needs their incomplete VGU actually completed or made better. Karma has a terrible running animation, conflicting gameplay identities with definite problems with her kit (since they are constantly buffing and nerfing her right after), and a rushed VGU that is bad even said by Riot. Shen needs that stupid sword removed and a little better work. Karma has Shen's dance. Shen has incomplete and rushed animations. Karma and Shen both have completed splasart (minus Karma's base splashart) and only need ingame models and MINOR kit work. Riot doesn't want to do that. {{champion:32}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:115}} We need a Yordle model update like they did with Tristana. I want to see all the Yordles look somewhat the same, have interactions with one another, and really go in with the Yordle. {{champion:26}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:79}} Knowing what we know now, the above need SMALL scale VGU. I don't understand why Riot is not even doing that. These are some of the best champions theme/story wise and some are even depicted in comics with amazing visuals and stories. Why is is that they are unwilling to do more smallscale VGU and give us more new champions with over-inflated kits, terrible gameplay identities, and continue to focus on new and popular champions every year.
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Rioter Comments
: Are there any plans to revisit Karma's gameplay update at some point?
He’s been dodging the questions every week. I ask all the time and towards other Developers too. The Developers don’t care. They hate the champion and the mains.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 30
I love it! Typical Meddler dodging questions about Karma and revisiting her GU, but going out of his way to talk about the Fab Four: Aartox, Akali, Irelia or Ryze. Every post is about the same group of champions or a mention of them, but there is almost nothing about the 150+ other champions. You are making Karma and Wukong players wait way too long, Meddler. You did the same thing with Lissandra. Why do you hate your champions and purposely go out of your way to annoy passionate players that want work done? It’s been almost 6 years for Karma and nearly 3 years for Wukong.
Rioter Comments
: The New Corrupted SG Skins Look Like a Big Purple Mess
There is also no event this year or pass.
gg easy (NA)
: RE-DO the "edgy" star guardian theme
I mean if they wanted to do a anti SG theme, {{champion:25}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:67}} Would have been better choices. IDK why they think just because a champion is new or popular, means they just need to be thrown into every popular skin line.
: All New Champions For Star Guardian. Wow. Shocker!
{{champion:84}} - Several reworks and 2 skins. {{champion:39}} - Several reworks and 2 skins. {{champion:266}} - Several reworks and 1 skin. {{champion:13}} - Several reworks over the span of 7 years. {{champion:145}} - Several skins.
Terozu (NA)
: Welp, fuck Star Guardian lore.
I mean, I would have liked the choice to play them both as Star Guardian or the corrupted. Is there not a toggle for it? Probably not. For that price point there should be. I have more of a problem with the fact that it's all new champions and not a single older one. It really shows Riot doesn't care.
Cielveon (NA)
: no star guardian taric gg
> [{quoted}](name=Cielveon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h1PuWZOb,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-26T19:00:55.133+0000) > > no star guardian taric gg Yeah. I was hoping he would get it.
: Does this mean we get to keep Twisted Treeline?
: Then explain why Nunu, Nocturne, Udyr, Ivern, and other older/unpopular champions have gotten skins this year after waiting over 3 years for them. Also, you realize that Xayah and Rakan are in the same boat as Kalista when it comes to skins, right? Only their release skins are available year-round. All their other skins are legacy, and most of them are esports skins(which don't count because Riot doesn't pick them).
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h1PuWZOb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-26T18:54:41.260+0000) > > Then explain why Nunu, Nocturne, Udyr, Ivern, and other older/unpopular champions have gotten skins this year after waiting over 3 years for them. > > Also, you realize that Xayah and Rakan are in the same boat as Kalista when it comes to skins, right? Only their release skins are available year-round. All their other skins are legacy, and most of them are esports skins(which don't count because Riot doesn't pick them). I'm talking about the fact that new champions, popular champions and recent VGU champions are being prioritized for new content, art, and reworks. When Riot prioritizes new champions for a popular skin line like SG but doesn't include one older champions, that's a problem. When Riot does almost 2-3 reworks on the same champions every patch cycle, it's a problem. When Riot only discusses changes for the same champions every week, that's a problem.
: I believe this belongs in thr rant section
> [{quoted}](name=sliceruser,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h1PuWZOb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-26T18:40:08.975+0000) > > I believe this belongs in thr rant section Probably.
: Seriously,? You want star guardian {{champion:266}} ?
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h1PuWZOb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-26T18:39:27.054+0000) > > Seriously,? You want star guardian {{champion:266}} ? Do you have eyes? Do you read? I talk about new champions, popular champions, and recent VGU champion favoritism. You clearly didn't read it at all. I said nothing in terms of Aatrox getting it. I said they've done nothing but ignore older champions for content and reworks. Read the post before you make replies.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 23
What’s going on with Karma then? You cancelled the GU and a few weeks ago you said she needs nerfs. You just buffed he and slowly you are nerfing her? Where is the GU? It’s been six years. Where is the Wukong update?
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Bazerka (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Winterkill,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ywFy01Ku,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-21T19:45:23.475+0000) > > Why is it that Riot Game Developers go out of their way to ignore specific champions every time? Karma is a champion that has been largely ignored for 6 years now. I’ve heard excuse after excuse and the players that once cared, leave the game and the vocal majority becomes the vocal monitory. Then we get another Ryze update or another update or rework for a popular or new champions. > > You guys claim to care about all your champions and the players that main them, but there is always a reason to constantly introduce a new champion into the game that is horrible to play against or a new or popular one gets another rework. > > This is a legit question because you guys say you care but your work ethics says otherwise, because players are unhappy and tired of waiting for things to happen. You guys want to live in a unrealistic world where you want to only acknowledge a certain group of champions but ignore the vast majority that need work done and even work you did that didn’t make them better. > > Where is the Wukong update that is still being neglected? I totally understand that it can feel like this, and I really empathize :(. One of the by-products of the way champs are designed (they are made with heavy resonance with players in mind *I think*. So for instance something like I'm a GP main isn't out of the ordinary) is that changes or lack thereof feel more like a personal attack than anything else. I can 100% promise you the teams doing balance are never like "who should we screw over today". Instead they are trying to address the overall health of the meta to make sure all players have fun and the game experiences a health amount of change. Sometimes this does involve not actually doing anything to a specific champion, **or** not touching a champion because all the ideas we have for them are just plain bad. Still, that doesn't address or reduce the amount of feel bad that comes from something like this, and I'm sorry :X
> [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ywFy01Ku,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-08-21T19:54:57.747+0000) > > I totally understand that it can feel like this, and I really empathize :(. One of the by-products of the way champs are designed (they are made with heavy resonance with players in mind *I think*. So for instance something like I'm a GP main isn't out of the ordinary) is that changes or lack thereof feel more like a personal attack than anything else. > > I can 100% promise you the teams doing balance are never like "who should we screw over today". Instead they are trying to address the overall health of the meta to make sure all players have fun and the game experiences a health amount of change. Sometimes this does involve not actually doing anything to a specific champion, **or** not touching a champion because all the ideas we have for them are just plain bad. > > Still, that doesn't address or reduce the amount of feel bad that comes from something like this, and I'm sorry :X When champions like Ryze get almost 5 plus reworks/adjustments and a large scale VGU over a period of 6 years, but another champion cannot get even a conversation about their problems and what is going on . . . . it leaves very little faith in our eyes to ever take your decisions and work ethic seriously. I mean look at Shen's VGU a few years ago and there are still problems with that are not being addressed. You guys like to tell us you are working on this and that, but I see Meddler making more ridiculous comments that Karma is being watched and needs nerfs, Wukong is not being worked on now because he needs artists, and Irelia is most likely getting another rework. When the reality of the situation is Meddler cancelled the Karma GU and the Developers ignored her problems for 6 years now for back and fourth buffs and nerfs that does nothing to solve her problems, Riot Games taking artists from their SR team and moving them to the TFT team but that makes champions like Wukong wait a VERY long time after already waiting a VERY long time, and finally Riot Game Developers showing a major interest in only working on new champions/popular champions/and recent VGU champions. For me, and mostly everyone else, we are not upset with you guys personally. It's your work ethic that is terrible and needs a massive readjustment. I just cannot believe a group of people are willing to ignore specific champions for more than a year (more than that in some cases) for more new champions that are terrible to play against and the same champions being worked on. Your art, balance and update, champ up teams, and all of your Departments need to step it up.
Bazerka (NA)
: Lunch break w/ Baz
Why is it that Riot Game Developers go out of their way to ignore specific champions every time? Karma is a champion that has been largely ignored for 6 years now. I’ve heard excuse after excuse and the players that once cared, leave the game and the vocal majority becomes the vocal monitory. Then we get another Ryze update or a popular or new champion gets a rework or update. You guys claim to care about all your champions and the players that main them, but there is always a reason to constantly introduce a new champion into the game that is horrible to play against or a new or popular one gets another rework. This is a legit question because you guys say you care but your work ethics says otherwise, because players are unhappy and tired of waiting for things to happen. You guys want to live in a unrealistic world where you want to only acknowledge a certain group of champions but ignore the vast majority that need work done and even horrible work you did on them rectified. Where is the Wukong update that is still being neglected?
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: tft is actually kinda groovy bro i dig it {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
: You are talking like there are a lot of enchanters or mage supports while there are basically none in reality. And at least no one that does the same job as karma. There are no other champions in this game that has an aoe shield + movespeed buff. No other champion with a root that heals at the beginning and end, or just a root that you have to stay close for a certain while for it to pop. If we look at other enchanter supports like lulu?, zyra? soraka? lux? There doesn't exist another champion that gives movespeed and a shield in the same spell. And her mantra q mechanic is also unique.
What job does Karma do exactly? She's outclassed as a Enchanter and Mage early and late game. You keep talking about Karma offering something unique to the game, but I've been playing her since season 2 and notice that unless she is buffed into oblivion, she's not a champion. Morgana does more damage and CC, Nami does more damage and healing, Soraka heals and does more damage, Lulu provides more utility and better sustain, Janna provides better disengage and engage. You keep talking about Karma as if she offers something amazing to teamcomps and the game, but in reality she is outclassed by every "Mage" and "Support" you keep going on about.
Rioter Comments
: Will they nerf Karma since she is support role only but is being played top? Very strong
They will nerf her. Every single time Karma is buffed they nerf her right after. There is a larger problem with the champion's kit and Riot refuses to act on it. When Karma is finally nerfed in a few patches, Riot will admit they were heavy handed with it and buff her again . . . . but nerf her right after. Riot loves working around a problem instead of actually working on the problem.
: Qutting League After most Recent Reworks in season 9
I don't blame ya. Riot values new champions over old ones. New champions just have better mechanics on old champion identities and abilities.
: ***
The majority of us have moved on from the idea of ever having old Karma back. There are ways to make the current kit work and Riot received that. They aren't doing anything with the current kit either.
Meddler (NA)
: While it's from last year is still pretty accurate data wise. https://imgur.com/a/7ClMRFs TT play rate's highest in NA, moderately lower in EU, lower again in most regions and effectively zero in some like Korea and China. Entirely understand that its removal really sucks if you like and play the mode. Our conclusion was that the time we currently spend on it would be better spent doing things like getting Nexus Blitz to a state where it can be a mode we bring back moderately often. I know from the outside it looks like TT doesn't have any work done on it, given lack of balance patches especially, but things like testing and bug fixing of items/champs adds a pretty measurable cost for what's a very small proportion of the player base.
Isn't this a reflection of your team management skills and the fact that Riot refused to allocate any time or resources on Twisted Treeline though? If you know there are players that like the mode and have been asking for something to be worked on, why is it being ignored for something new? Do Riot Game Developers care about nostalgia and updating old things anymore? It seems like you value new content over actually working on the problems. Let's be real though, if you actually spent time and manpower on TT it would probably be popular and players would play it more. You could also make it to where only 3v3 Ranked is on that mode. Instead Riot spent a total of 2 weeks on TT and called it a day on it because they couldn't find a way to monopolize it. Don't say it's because of low playrate. You used that excuse with Dominion and it was ludicrous then too. If you don't put time and effort into something how can it ever be popular? Quite frankly it looks bad and lazy on your part to get rid of something players would be willing to play if Developers put effort into it.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 9
{{champion:43}} Can you please comment about Karma? Mark Yetter said you are "looking" at Karma for even more nerfs. This is right after you just buffed parts of her kit a few patches ago. Are any Developers concerned that PARTS of the VGU 6 years ago did more harm than good? Karma was the very first VGU Riot ever did, but it was rushed, very lazily done, and further work done on her has been counterproductive and very ignorant on Riot's behalf. You've made claims that she needs a lot of work, but every time there is work to be done it's cancelled, ignored, or it's a back and fourth buff and nerf that solves absolutely nothing. Developers make nothing but excuses as to why their work ethic cannot solve problems and issues YOU created. Every bit of fun and unique gameplay element was taken away from Karma, every iconic ability or art direction was taken from Karma, and the skill and unique gameplay identity Karma offered to the game was taken away from Karma. What are Developers doing to correct mistakes that make: - Karma a unique champion on her own that makes players think, "Hey! Only Karma can do that and it's totally cool!" She literally has Mantra abilities that exist on item actives and parts of other champion's kits. - Karma's art was misdirected and it was a perfect opportunity for Developers to really go all out with her art and really give us something majestic, inspiring and peaceful. Instead, Karma doesn't even have splash-arts that match ingame models, no shield casting animation, the model itself is clunky, and her new haste animation is hardly anything to write about. - What does Karma offer to the game that any other Enchanter or support does better than her? What unique gameplay identity does Karma offer to the game with conflicting identities inside of her kit? How fun is Karma to play as and against when her kit is anti-fun when overbuffed and unfun to play with if she isn't buffed into oblivion? The ball is in your court Meddler. What's going on with Karma since the cancellation of her GU that you had a hand in? You took the Developer who wanted to do more work on it and asked for it and moved her to the TFT team. You're cancelling champion GU, removing TT and ignoring balance problems for TFT. Is TFT your top priority now?
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: You care so much about TT and so many of your friends play it... Yet I have to look really hard to find any TT games in your match history. Using Ctrl+F on your match history I count 769 games this year. Only 8 of those was TT. That's very nearly a 1% play rate by you despite having many friends that play it. That's the problem. Very few people played it even when they released updates for the mode so it became a bad idea to spend development hours on it. You have plenty of games in ARAM, as do many people. It was worthwhile developer hours to continue expanding and patching that mode.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YlXbTdaU,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-01T15:11:34.123+0000) > > You care so much about TT and so many of your friends play it... > > Yet I have to look really hard to find any TT games in your match history. Using Ctrl+F on your match history I count 769 games this year. Only 8 of those was TT. That's very nearly a 1% play rate by you despite having many friends that play it. > > That's the problem. Very few people played it even when they released updates for the mode so it became a bad idea to spend development hours on it. > > You have plenty of games in ARAM, as do many people. It was worthwhile developer hours to continue expanding and patching that mode. AGAIN, I HAVE OTHER ACCOUNTS I PLAY ON IT.
: you don't even play it lmaooo byeee
> [{quoted}](name=church arson,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YlXbTdaU,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-08-01T20:35:37.519+0000) > > you don't even play it lmaooo byeee Yeah I do. BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. I have more than one account I play on. I actually even hardly play on this account now that I hit Gold. BYEEEEEEEEEE.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: Yet.. you have zero games on TT this season and the last one. Im not surprised.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YlXbTdaU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-01T09:49:21.492+0000) > > Yet.. you have zero games on TT this season and the last one. > > Im not surprised. I have almost 16 accounts since season 2. I have themed accounts with different types of skins on them. I've been playing it a lot lately on my assassin only account.
Rioter Comments
: I have feeling Wukong will never get his rework, it was just a big lie
"Waiting on artists to become available and work on it." - Meaning, everyone was moved to specific tasks and TFT over anything else. It took MONTHS for someone to finally work on Lissandra for her passive. Don't expect it any time soon. These Developers don't care. They already have a rework planned for Irelai . . . . oh did you see the rework for another new champion? Sol is getting a mini rework along with Kayle. We know where these Developers stand: champions with better art and new kits over older ones their lazy teams refuse to work on.
: @Riot - Riot VS Karma
Like old Karma, her Mantra offered more alternative uses than just a upgrading version of a basic ability. Mantra Q healed, Mantra W had an ally mechanic, and Mantra E had a damage side to it. Mantra was also on a charge system which allowed her to combo into other Mantra. Karma actually had a passive as well (broken one that needed a change but not a useless one like she has now). This my friends is what we call SKILL EXPRESSION. Karma has almost zero skill expression on Mantra that are tied to one specific use and are more useful than others.
Larriet (NA)
: > Art assets like taunts, jokes and champion interactions are non-existent and very lazily done This isn't fair; she's completely up to par for champions released at that time. Maybe complain about Nami's lack of interactions while you're at it?
No she is not. They didn't actually complete any of the animations as well as the taunts. You cannot say anything on a artistic level was completed on this champion. To appease the fans last minute who were upset about her fans, they put it in her dance recall on some as well as the back animation. Let's also talk about that dance animation that is SHEN'S dance animation. At least Nami has her own animations.
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