Ink Rose (NA)
: Made Fan Art of a Rioter's Little Legends Skin Idea
This is really awsome. I hope they see this
Rioter Comments
: Visual update for Soraka.
I would like this too, but there are champions that have higher priority than her. Her voice lines have no personality to them, her movements are extremely boring, her dance even resets and its just awful. I think they can do more with the current model by giving it more movements rather than making a new one. Also updating some of the colors wouldn't hurt (Celestine soraka has a very dull color, it could be brighter).
: A basic pool ability? I don't see much wrong with it. How about you accept burdon of proof (as the person making a claim) and explain why it is badly designed.
I want to say it's badly designed because it is unreliable and has no clear objective. Is it supposed to be waveclear? I don't think that's its intended purpose because Riot does not like how uninteractive it is to W a wave and walk away as many have stated. So is it to damage opponents? I think that's what it's supposed to be for, but the damage is unreliable because anyone can walk out of it, and to get it's full damage off you need to land a q, so it's somewhat dependent on Q in order to get it's full value. Also it doesn't really do much for support Morgana other than proc spellthiefs in a very safe, uninteractive way. Her ult implies her to be closer range champion and stay within a certain threshold in order to pull it off, but the rest of her abilities are very disengaged, so that's kinda a disparity in her thematic.
: I saw the changes that they did... It wasn't a lot. They stated LONG AGO that she was fine and wouldn't get many changes... Therefore, that part is consistent. You didn't directly say it .. no... but you HINTED AT IT severely with statements like " Riot didn't because it was fine as is. But then suddenly they want to nerf her. That completely contradicts the decision to not rework her"... wtf is this supposed to mean if not "oh you're nerfing her? Why didn't you rework her?". You've stated this idea multiple times already. Then again... needing nerfs and buffs do NOT mean she needs a rework. I mean... it's just BALANCE. Reworks are completely different than balance. Yes, there is a pillar of balance IN a rework, but not always. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares... sort of thing. Nerfing a champion does not mean they need a kit change. That's just a false argument. Do you think Ezreal getting buffs/nerfs then is a CONTRADICTION to not doing a full rework on him? They barely changed anything.
So her W isn't badly designed? Mb then. Ezreal got a completely new W, The rest of his kit seemed fine yes.
: Where do you see any of the assertions that you've made here? Also, why do you think trying to balance a kit (nerf/buff) means it has to be reworked?
They were testing multiple changes on her at the time, it's public information, they stated what sort of changes they've considered too. I didn't say it needed to be reworked, I'm saying its contradictory to say a kit is fine, not go through with any changes, and then proceed to nerf because suddenly the belief that it is fine doesn't exist anymore. The action of nerfing is a contradiction to the sentiment "We feel like her kit is fine as is, so we didn't make any changes".
: She wasn't meant for a rework. She was a minor VGU that turned into just visual with an ult buff. They said they tried changes for her before but didn't like them, and that her kit already is well done and they didn't want to push any changes that weren't fit for her. Please do your research before you say something like that. I do not agree with the nerfing though. She's been fine as is for years now and all of a sudden they want to nerf her W and E after getting one stupid R buff. Entirely ridiculous.
Okay and they didn't give her a minor VGU as you said, instead an ult and w buff that (possibly) lead to the nerfs. I say possibly because we don't know what Riot believes is suddenly so strong about her. What research do I need to do to express my sentiment above? They want to nerf her and it seems wrong to do so when she barely had any changes, and we know they were playing with her kit at the time. What more do I need?
Rioter Comments
: What inner dialogues do you have / actively try to defeat?
I dont think i have much more because for years ive been looking to diminish any toxic ideas i get about myself and others. I used to think things like: "I suck at everything" "im annoying i shouldnt bother these people" "i hate myself" All of thats pretty much gone now due to dramatic attitude shifts. I have people to thank for this and it took somewhat of an epiphany to realize it just makes no sense to think like that. Now the only thing that seems to linger or pop up every now and again whenever i meet new people for a bit is: "i dont belong" and "i can never truly relate".
: RIOT RIGGED THE TRIST SKIN VOTING
Do people just not learn what an opinion is at school anymore??
: > [{quoted}](name=Timethief49,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2gTtqF49,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-21T19:01:34.465+0000) > > Can you post the games replay? Im especially intrested in you giving first blood at 59 seconds in the game. im not gonna lie, idk how to even do that but when i figure it out i will post it. There was only one death i rememember where i died walking into him cuz i was too busy typing at my team trying to prove he was scripting. what do you think after watching this game?
> [{quoted}](name=BerryBlitz33,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2gTtqF49,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-21T19:19:02.514+0000) > > im not gonna lie, idk how to even do that but when i figure it out i will post it. There was only one death i rememember where i died walking into him cuz i was too busy typing at my team trying to prove he was scripting. > > what do you think after watching this game? Why are you typing to your team before the first minute of the game while moving into the enemy at the same time??? What??? How do you decide hes scripting before the first minute of the game?? There is so much that makes no sense
Wyrin (NA)
: Who are your level 7 Mastery Champions?
{{champion:16}} {{champion:37}}
: Morgana's gameplay rework was good but thematically?
You mean lose 40, to make her aesthetic more realistic, but given her divine nature it may be impossible for her to GAIN or LOSE weight. I think the self harm scars from the wings being absent may also be a result of her divine nature (She just heals and never scars, so her form is locked). I think she is forced to be a preppy goth rather than visually destroying herself to make a point of how broken she is, ironically, she can't so I suppose she suffers more for it with being unable to make this visual / artistic expression of rejection of her body, it just wont let her. That said, maybe she could have blacker spells instead of conflating purple with darkness. It would make a lot of sense though for her to reject a healthy form and try to go for a broken figure though.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEgT5AR5,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T02:28:00.005+0000) > > If youre in the support role why are you maxing w first? You should be maxing q and e second because that is what makes morgana strong. Because its hard to land your Q when the enemy is constantly behind minions, your E is useless after one attack regardless of rank, and your W is a large AoE thats easy to land and does appreciable damage over the course of a game?
But it's used only to poke... You don't need to max it to poke, you should be maxing Q for when you do land it, it becomes a long snare, and you need to max E second to make it stronger and lessen it's cooldown for you to use more often... You're not picking morgana for damage, you're picking her for Q and E, again, there is no need to max W to proc spellthiefs, as not even the cooldown goes down upon putting points into it.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEgT5AR5,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T01:38:06.128+0000) > > If Morgana is being played mid, sure? But every mage mid clears wave much faster without needing it to stand in a specific spot. She gets pushed in easily as her wave manipulation is bad. > > If we're talking about support morg, then I guess its a much weaker version as a mid morg W because you'll be maxing it last. > > That doesn't tell me it shouldn't be reworked btw, you just stated its purpose (Which is bad at getting its purpose done too). I mean... I max W first unless my marksman is caitlyn or clears really well. Its better - and safer- poke than your Q. Plus, with the rework, its actually going to have much higher base damage.
If youre in the support role why are you maxing w first? You should be maxing q and e second because that is what makes morgana strong.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEgT5AR5,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-04T22:47:58.624+0000) > > Her W is just a poke tool, it never gets its full damage off unless you bind them, and even then it's just average damage that doesn't compare to zyra, brand or velkoz poke. > > Her passive is just... its just random. She barely recovers health in any meaningful way at any point of the game. > > I was hoping they'd change her W and Passive completely to make it supplementary to her Q, E and R in some way, but it feels like they have a completely different identity that have nothing to do with what you pick morg for. Her W is for clearing. The new W, by the way, is a much stronger clearing tool than the current one.
If Morgana is being played mid, sure? But every mage mid clears wave much faster without needing it to stand in a specific spot. She gets pushed in easily as her wave manipulation is bad. If we're talking about support morg, then I guess its a much weaker version as a mid morg W because you'll be maxing it last. That doesn't tell me it shouldn't be reworked btw, you just stated its purpose (Which is bad at getting its purpose done too).
: Am I the only one slightly disappointed that they didn't try to really rework Morgana?
Her W is just a poke tool, it never gets its full damage off unless you bind them, and even then it's just average damage that doesn't compare to zyra, brand or velkoz poke. Her passive is just... its just random. She barely recovers health in any meaningful way at any point of the game. I was hoping they'd change her W and Passive completely to make it supplementary to her Q, E and R in some way, but it feels like they have a completely different identity that have nothing to do with what you pick morg for.
Rioter Comments
: Why would Ezreal be better late game in iron if Ashe is supposed to out scale him? Competitive play is a TOTALLY different thing and should not EVER be put on the same level as normal play. The reason Ashe would be more useful than Ezreal in competitive play is because of her utility not her damage that's why they pick her in pro play she has amazing utility for the entire team.
Because the playstyle in IRON is supplementary to ezreal, not ashe. Ezreals kit allows him forgiveness for his positioning as ashe does not. On average an adcs positioning in iron is well, iron level, and so the champion is less effective. IF they had positioning comparable to above iron level well... they wouldn't be iron would they? Thus Ashe is less effective than ezreal in iron because a dead ashe is a useless ashe. Some kits enable safety and in the case of iron, if you are practicing positioning you can notice mistakes made in them without actually paying for it with champions like trist or ezreal.
Raoul (EUW)
: Poor Kayle...
"She used to be a woman who could rival Samu from metroid for being badass, powerfull and an overall cool and strong character..." No she couldn't, Samus is a way more popular character than Kayle ever could hope to be.
: can you bring us back the blonde hair kyle ? she looks like riven DB
Would you really like this because endgame she would just be a yellow sillhouette then... I would like for the outfit to maintain its colors then but i dont know about being fully yellow
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0IEctYqf,comment-id=000100000001000000000001000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-21T08:23:00.995+0000) > > Our moral system is our own. We have morals, virtues and principles for *us* to follow in order to lead a healthy lifestyle and to live as a healthy species. It is objective because of its proof of merit (we have peace, live longer, etc all are desireable outcomes). That is morality, a guide for us. > > Evelynn is outside of human morals. Eve is very different from a *human* hunter who takes pleasure in such acts. One would be ostracized, berated and estranged from the rest of the social species. Essentially it is self destructive for a human to partake in such acts. Not the case for Eve, its arbitrary to label her with good or evil as she isnt part of our moral system. A sociopathic human serial killer who is completely conscious and aware and chooses to tortures and kills their victims for fun, is no different to a demon who does the exact same thing. They are both consciously evil, and their """race""" isn't going to be any different given they go through the exact same sets of rationale and actions. You are also using "you're using human morals" as a crutch. Well, no shit, because I'm a human, who Evelynn kills and tortures for sport, so ofc she's evil like a no-brainer. But not to mention, ofc I'm using human standards, what else? What, do you expect me to use her moral standard, the creature who is completely immoral in the first place? What's next, should I use some crazy people's standard to check if genocide is an act of evil? What's more, this is NOT just a case of "human moral". Because you can evaluate if an action is objectively and pragmatically good or evil. Evelynn's actions of serial killing and torturing are far above merely just hunting for food but far more about indulging in the pleasures derived from the horrible actions. Her evil is in fact more, because unlike the usual where acts of atrocity are usually products of apathy enabling cruelty, Evelynn is emotionally INTIMATE with her victims, but still chooses out of her fully aware and intelligent mind to harm and torture them because she gets her kicks out of such an action and PRECISELY BECAUSE SHE COULD VERY CLEARLY FEEL THE VICTIMS' SUFFERING. She is simply unquestionably, a neutral evil character; a character who fully knows and consciously aspire to be evil, and enjoys being themselves everyday, the purest of evil.
If a human is suddenly no different than a demon then there you go, they have forsaken their humanity and in a form leads to self destructive actions. He will be scorned, imprisoned or killed if he does the same and he denies himself all human rights and opportunities. Morality is a tool, a guideline on how to behave so that your life will be as prosporous and fair as possible. Evelynn never had humanity to forsake in the first place and denies herself no opportunities. Therefore it is arbitrary to attach moral labels to her in a vacuum. "Ofc im using human standards, what else?" Demonic standards, were talking about a demon not a human, and what evelynn does may as very well be the law in the world she lives in, and the law is an inheritor of moral values. Humans call things evil or good even if they are not humans because we still attempt to identify recognizeable qualities in other things, although that has to be recognized as incorrect we still tend to project. Eve is evil because her way of life is completely antihuman, whether or not you adopt her values you either become a victim of it or an enemy of humanity. Its just destructive to human nature, that is "evil".
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0IEctYqf,comment-id=0001000000010000000000010002,timestamp=2019-02-21T07:40:58.632+0000) > > Why should she empathize or feel sorry for her prey? She isnt human, shes not part of our society, so labeling her with our morals is nothing but semantic nonsense. > > It would be correct to call her a dangerous enemy to humankind that should be eradicated for our sake and leave it at that. Anything else is just projection. Conscious act of and enjoying torturing and serial killing for sport is objectively evil. This is amplified by the fact Evelynn is fully aware of her actions and its implications, but simply chose to do it because she enjoys it; she does far more than just feeding out of necessity and living like some sort of low intelligence wild animal worrying only about their next meal. Being human or not has little to no effect regarding **BOTH** CONSCIOUS and AWARE acts of sheer evil like serial murder for sport and pleasuring oneself in someone's pain, torture, and death. Eve is no different to a hunter who goes on a killing spree of preys for sport, and each time they caught a live prey they skin the animals alive while they scream, because they enjoy the rush of both activities. It doesn't make the said hunter any less evil just because they also hunt for necessities like food and belts every now and then and not always for the kicks they get out of serial killing and torturing the animals. The hunter is in the evil spectrum, so is Evelynn.
Our moral system is our own. We have morals, virtues and principles for *us* to follow in order to lead a healthy lifestyle and to live as a healthy species. It is objective because of its proof of merit (we have peace, live longer, etc all are desireable outcomes). That is morality, a guide for us. Evelynn is outside of human morals. Eve is very different from a *human* hunter who takes pleasure in such acts. One would be ostracized, berated and estranged from the rest of the social species. Essentially it is self destructive for a human to partake in such acts. Not the case for Eve, its arbitrary to label her with good or evil as she isnt part of our moral system.
Ralanr (NA)
: I would like to talk about the new perceived morality of Kayle and Morgana (Morg too good).
I dont think itd be difficult to write faults for Morgana, i do wish they did though. 1. Idleness. She could try to rehabilitate a psychopath whos too far gone and they could end up killing their entire family or something. Unstopped because shes too soft. 2. Her understanding of things may be immature. Sometimes you have to expunge the dysfunctional in order to keep the majority of people happy (we dont want murderers or terrorists destroying our ways of life). What would happen if she learned of war? Is she gonna cry at both nations to stop hitting each other and be friends? She may encounter loyalty issues if then, she may turn to fickleness(I would kill someone if it meant I get to save my own children, but morgana may have trouble understanding necessary violence). 3. Okay, she killed a guy ("""in self defense""") even though she herself is*immortal* and *way more powerful than he is*. Why didnt she just...wrestle him into submission, tie him up and say "excuse me sis, your follower just tried stabbing me in the face, can you talk with him?". She being kinda airheaded is one confirmed flaw.
: Yes but she's also a very picky eater. Any pain will sustain her but Evelynn. The difference is a strawman too as even we as humans have standards of what kind of meat we do and dont eat as we put a moral value to even the meat we eat. What makes Evelynn evil however is her sense of morale, she will not feel remorse towards her victims or empethy, all she can think off is the taste of her food. this is comparable to humans as even we have cruel methods of making animals taste even better that we do not allow because of our morality. No matter how you spin it, Evelynn picking her targets to feast and setting them up only to make them fall even harder is in and of itself an evil act.
Why should she empathize or feel sorry for her prey? She isnt human, shes not part of our society, so labeling her with our morals is nothing but semantic nonsense. It would be correct to call her a dangerous enemy to humankind that should be eradicated for our sake and leave it at that. Anything else is just projection.
Stexe (NA)
: Last time I checked Seraphs don't have wings coming out from above their ass.
When was the last time you checked? I am very interested to hear about your experience with a real life seraph. ;p
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=00060001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T17:07:13.308+0000) > > I had to edit my comment midway as my phone decided to post while I was trying to hit space. No worries, I'll just take the extra part that didn't go through and reply to it here. > Kayle slowly undressing or being bare to the world is a design archetype and is used for many things. It can imply shamelessness, purity or fearlessness. All of these things you can describe kayle as. Definitely not shamelessness. Kayle's old lore was all about her being ending lives that she would rather have saved, had the circumstances permitted it. > Kayle is not inheritely a defensive character to begin with. She is an attacker. Considering she is (was) wearing plate armor and had two defensive oriented spells (Divine Blessing and Intervention), I'm inclined to say that she is (was) both. > Skin tight, bareness to the world implies puritanism, something she is, in the most extreme sense of her conservative nature, nakedness would suit her well. By that logic, most Demacians should be running around butt-naked too. > Ambiguity is implied in her current design. A helmet (anyone can wear one). A lot of people thought she was male at first, and the armor makes her look like she is part of an army rather than an individual. It doesnt look customized. ***That was the entire point of her old lore.*** To eschew individuality in order to become part of the greater whole, with Morgana being opposed to that, instead prizing individuality. Kayle's armor being generic only makes sense when she didn't see herself as her own being, but part of something greater. It also makes sense in relation to her ambigiuity, as it's not relevant whether or not you're a male or a female, as you, the individual, is not important in the long run. That was the entire essence of her lore. > Being all gold doesnt help (it looks actually brass not gold as the coloration is duller). It doesnt have that bright gold polish. So if it was "shiny gold" instead of "brass gold", you'd be satisfied? From what I can gather, you're not really defending the less armor thing, and more so the colors.
I am fine with shamelessness being omitted from what she is although to another person whos ideology may be vastly different she can appear as subjectively and definitionally shamless (no shame in doing whats right). She is an attacker as in her nature is offensive, hostile, hard to talk with. Not in the form of her kit (although her kits primary implication is attack, and supplements to an attack). We can somewhat bridge this archetype with her kit if youd like: E.g her ult in a nut shell is I can hit you but you cant hit me. A similar experience where someone is so self righteous and holier than thou it becomes a one sided line of communication. Demacians *should be running around butt naked*. Thats interesting because I wouldnt find it problematic if demacian citizens took on a near naked greek like aesthetic. It would seem to also make sense. If we are going to talk about demacian individuals we can make sense of their attire: Garens whole character lends itself to having armor. Lux the sister of Garen, given her position also would sport some armor. Xin zhao, same thing. Armor is also emblemic, and as human representatives of their nation, they will sport certain colors and forms to emit a demacian flavor / aesthetic. Again they are representatives of a collective and this is the most important reason for having a uniform. For representatives such as these that need to go out into war and are sent on missions outside the walls, they do need protection (they are mortals after all). Now, kayle is not a collective, kayle is an individual, so you can see where I dont think demacia or demacian representatives would apply for the puritan style in their aesthetic (although the color white is already there as a tool to convey this). Kayle is more than an individual human though, she in herself is an archetype, and an ideology. I wouldnt even find it strange if she was a completely naked angel, in fact I would say even that makes sense. I said that full gold wouldnt work. Gold on gold on gold on gold would be ambiguous as gold by itself may represent many things (greed, luxury, ceremony, holiness, status) only some of these are applicable. However with the addition of more colors and design aspects, this allows us to orient ourselves better because we have contrasts and barriers to help us define the aesthetic (mostly white so pure but we do see gold, therefore pride. We can see reddish magenta so royalty and prestige maybe? Rather than all gold). Whether she is recognizably female or not at first glance still doesnt matter. She as a character may not care what she wears but we certainly seem to project that importance. I dont see sex or gender in her character. She just happens to be in the shape of a woman, if she sees herself as a champion for her ideology, this can give her a character flaw (which is good ambiguity, as she isnt self reflective in her image) or it doesnt do anything because she doesnt care for her image. I wouldnt mind if she was still armored, however I do think that nakednesd may suit her better as angels are synonymous with ideologies and principles. And in this case she represents herself (under the guise of something "greater" a subtle mental hint that she is above you)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=000600010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-19T16:56:21.888+0000) > > Her ambiguous generic armor and dull colors reflect non of her prestige or fervor. And skin tight suits certainly don't either. > The new designs white color can make her be seen as a puritan, with bright magenta coloration and gold edges scream "im better than you". Her new iterations bright colors can be seen as a statement. And gold doesn't convey the same? > Her current design is again, ambiguous, something kayle as a character is definitely not. Ambigious? In what context exactly?
I had to edit my comment midway as my phone decided to post while I was trying to hit space. Skin tight, bareness to the world implies puritanism, something she is, in the most extreme sense of her conservative nature, nakedness would suit her well. Ambiguity is implied in her current design. A helmet (anyone can wear one). A lot of people thought she was male at first, and the armor makes her look like she is part of an army rather than an individual. It doesnt look customized. Being all gold doesnt help (it looks actually brass not gold as the coloration is duller). It doesnt have that bright gold polish.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=0006000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T16:37:10.072+0000) > > A character is mostly composed of its archetype and writing. Not its looks. I dont see where you get this from. The look they have is supposed to visually reflect who they are as a person. Aatrox is very angry and spiteful, so he's a big red demon dude. Evelynn is seductive and lustful, so she has a curvy body and wears very little clothing. etc. etc. Kayle wearing skin tight clothing and slowly undresses more and more of her army as she grows powerful doesn't really support the archetype she's trying to be portrayed as.
Her ambiguous generic armor and dull colors reflect non of her prestige or fervor. The new designs white color can make her be seen as a puritan, with bright magenta coloration and gold edges scream "im better than you". Her new iterations bright colors can be seen as a statement. Her current design is again, ambiguous, something kayle as a character is definitely not. Kayle slowly undressing or being bare to the world is a design archetype and is used for many things. It can imply shamelessness, purity or fearlessness. All of these things you can describe kayle as. Kayle is not inheritely a defensive character to begin with. She is an attacker.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cX9cyVNp,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-02-19T15:50:19.048+0000) > > Neither is her armor from her classic skin. Your point? The base skin is what the character itself is derived from.
A character is mostly composed of its archetype and writing. Not its looks. I dont see where you get this from.
Wolfeur (EUW)
: "Armor is an integral part of Kayle's identity"
Her current armor says nothing about her personality or identity at all... I dont understand people tbh. An androgynous, footsoldier esque generic plate armor is wildly different from her prestigious, conviction filled personality. One can go on anyone, the other is very standout ish. She isn't a humble frontliner, so there is a disconnect between people who say her personality is her personality. And her armor is her personality.
: Skins aren't reflective of the character's identity.
Neither is her armor from her classic skin. Your point?
ExpStealer (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AghKzAi9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-19T09:14:50.857+0000) > > I'm the only one who seems to actually enjoy the new design. Im not comparing her to her old self because this is a different iteration, its comparing 2 different characters for me. Im just happy she looks beautiful (save for giraffe neck thats kinda funny). I have never seen people complain about aether wing but i know that every kayle ive ever seen uses it over classic anyway, and she was still in character regardless. > > It seems really shady to me that people are complaining about this design. Aether Wing isn't revealing even if it isn't exactly armor either. I'm sure it just looks better in-game than the current classic one, which is heavily outdated. And, no, it's not comparing two different characters. She may have different lore and abilities brought up to today's standards, but she's still the same Kayle - a Righteous Angel of Justice, who hides her feminine features behind her armor - which is a necessary contrast with Morgana, aside from being a part of her identity.
How is it not revealing? The argument i've seen (and even you used it here) is that if you can tell its feminine therefore its revealing (of her femininity). Aether wing does exactly this, that skin is fine and also not androgynous. "Righteous" she is still this. "Angel" yes we have this. "Of justice" we kept this. "Hides her feminine features behind her armor". No, she doesn't. She has skins that disagree with you and no one bats an eye. If you want to claim she herself as a character is intentionally trying to look androgynous then that is projection. She may find her outfit choice to be an after thought for all we know and it wouldnt affect her personality. Your argument has many holes. The strongest thing I get from people who make this argument is that they equate outfit with personality. That seems really shallow to me and poorly thought out.
: Okay can yall calm the f#@! down
I'm the only one who seems to actually enjoy the new design. Im not comparing her to her old self because this is a different iteration, its comparing 2 different characters for me. Im just happy she looks beautiful (save for giraffe neck thats kinda funny). I have never seen people complain about aether wing but i know that every kayle ive ever seen uses it over classic anyway, and she was still in character regardless. It seems really shady to me that people are complaining about this design.
: *shrug* When it's a tiny, tiny buff that makes you *feel* better about buying something more than it is an actual buff, I think QoL is the category I'm inclined to assign it. Not really an important distinction to me.
The definition of words or phrases are not up to personal interpertation. We use language so that we can properly communicate with other members of a society. Making personal distinctions that stray from common definitions lead to communicative breakdown.QoL = kits unchanged but less mental or physical effort to achieve same outcome making the kit "easier" to work with, buff means direct changes (no matter how small).
: ***
How can people be so slanderous for fun?
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
Lùmen (EUNE)
: uh... how is it called ffs how do you call someone who can't use his nose? lmao
Anosmic? Anosmia is when you can't smell.
: Soraka a lane bully? wot? perhaps you are thinking of {{champion:117}} or {{champion:143}}
Yes, Soraka was able to get in extended trades level 1, she was very interactive early levels.
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: Error 003? My client says it can't patch..
bpro (NA)
: Read Me
Helloo, I'll play norms or whatever else with you if you'd like.
: 71% win rate on 101 ADC Mordekaiser games, ask me anything about ADC Mordekaiser
When I see a Mordekaiser bot with me, do I have to warp my champion pool just for him? I'm a Soraka main, who also plays Sona and Janna as my backup (And I don't duo either), but I don't really care what kind of ADC I get. So is it a problem for a Morde main to be placed with me? I honestly dislike any player (Kalista mains, this mostly goes for you) who have strong preferences and definitely let you know they dislike you for your pick the instant you take it. Especially when they que up for a duo lane by themselves instead of getting a duo partner.
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LBmyBB (NA)
: Ummm, so he has like super high ban rate and we r going to buff him? Where is ur logic?
My logic? for what? I'm asking you why you think it'd be a nerf when it's unjustified, I never gave an opinion to anything else.
LBmyBB (NA)
: Well obviously something is wrong, yas main. Riot said themselves he would need changes different from number tweaking
Yeah...so why do you think these changes are "nerfs" Edit: wait, did you just call me a yas main?
LBmyBB (NA)
: Cuz he is going to get nerfed soon duuh.
He's not even OP or anything, he's just "frustrating" to play against or something stupid. A nerf would be unjustified.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Wofye,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=ymtjFjAs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-06-15T02:33:49.330+0000) > > "Should the bear feel offended or lucky". The bear is dead. Do you know what dead means? From a person's perspective tho, can it be seen as out of thousands of bears out there, that one bear is now lucky to be part of a champion's home? Can it be seen from a level of prestige? Can that specific bear be considered "lucky?"
> [{quoted}](name=JhonTeemon,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=ymtjFjAs,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-15T03:05:11.347+0000) > > From a person's perspective tho, can it be seen as out of thousands of bears out there, that one bear is now lucky to be part of a champion's home? Can it be seen from a level of prestige? Can that specific bear be considered "lucky?" This whole question shouldn't even be asked. You don't get offended or feel lucky on behalf of another being. That's projection, and people shouldn't project.
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