Sukishoo (NA)
: >Why do you think they're putting skins on this patch that are set to release on 8.3? They've been [confirmed](https://twitter.com/RiotLoveStrut/status/950873568920838144) to be released in 8.3 (V-day skins and Lunar skins) Swain will probably be 8.4/8.5 since we still have yet to see a teaser and reveal page.
If you read all of my comment you would know that I realized the fact that Lunar and Valentine skins are for 8.3. I just don't understand that why they put the contents meant for 8.3 on 8.2 PBE Cycle. What do they want to show in 8.3 PBE then? Reposting Lunar and Valentine skins and lots of balance changes?
: Why do you think they're putting skins on *this* patch that are set to release on 8.3? Swain is the most highly anticipated VGU we have had yet. You can be damn well sure that Riot is going to capitalize on that anticipation as much as possible. And so, when he does, you can bet that there will be *PLENTY* of things to go with him. They can only pack so much into one patch. So, 5 skins plus a MASSIVE VGU is probably a bit too much for them to handle. However, since Lunar Revel and Heartseeker skins are for specific, timed events, they need to get the skins ready sooner rather than later. See where I am going with this? EDIT: I will admit, it is speculation, but it looks very likely to me.
"Why do you think they're putting skins on this patch that are set to release on 8.3?" That's the question that has bothered my mind since 8.2 hit PBE. Why they put all of skin and many stuff of 8.3 in this 8.2 PBE cycle. When 8.2 PBE Cycle comes in two week, What contents they have to show then? Let alone that we haven't got major contents since Zoe release.
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/K9zRyuEe-quick-gameplay-thoughts-january-10?comment=000f0000 > [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=K9zRyuEe,comment-id=000f0000,timestamp=2018-01-10T16:34:34.823+0000) > > As usual, I'm going to leave exact release timings, reveals of teasers etc up to the folks who work on new champs/VGUs. They plan this stuff out and have worked on it for months each time, so really wouldn't want to undercut that. > > Can tell you he's not in 8.2 though now that 8.2 PBE is out. We're not going to add him to the PBE late in the cycle. See? Also, no. Riot recently had their winter break Gotta keep that into consideration.
OK, I haven't expected Meddler would wreck my speculation with their new policy.
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: 8.1 was a few reactionary changes, 8.2 continues the patching cycle as usual. These 'number changes' are what Meddler and his team work on. Meddler doesn't work on Skins, Meddler doesn't work on Swain. I want the Swain rework as much as the next guy but you're kinda looking for something where there's nothing here I think. I'm pretty sure the Lunar/Valentine skins will hit live on 8.2 but won't be released untill 8.3 (They'll be there but you can not purchase them yet.), which would Leave Swain for 8.3. But take that with a grain of salt
"Meddler doesn't work on Skins, Meddler doesn't work on Swain. " Man, He is Lead Gameplay Designer. He must know everything going on in all department that related to gameplay especially VGUs and New champs. He is the one who said Swain is "pretty soon". https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/VNWUk6EE-quick-gameplay-thoughts-january-5?comment=00070001 Except of the fact above, Don't you see it very strange that there will be no major contents, just only new skin for Gragras and number changes? Last time we got a new champ was 3 patchs ago.
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: Meddler's comment simply refered to the Runes, Champions and Item changes that he listed below.
As I stated. How those changes considered as major contents? It's mostly all about number changing and nothing different than 8.1.
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Tomeksz (EUNE)
: Yes, the next champion is a mage designed by CertainlyT. She will have high mobility and dmg.
**** my life. Never enjoyed champ from this guy except Darius.
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: You know Swain/Noxus lore update is a big deal when major media outlets are hyping up the story
It woul really be a severe crime. If Riot misses this opportunity to give him (and maybe some Noxians) a CGI trailer like WW received back in Jan.
: I love it when the community here get too excited for a rework and I admire when they attempt to theorize whats best for the rework. But the community never have suggestions for something outside the box, no opinions to truly evolve the character. What's the point in theorizing if you're only going to suggest what would essentially be a remake, when Riot has been developing ever more popular reboots. See that is why they're the creators and we but the consumers. I know that I don't know what I want until someone can give it to me, if you catch my drift? Now a criticism could be that adding more things to a character, never mind how "outside the box" it may be, could cause convolution. Well reboots don't always add on top of existing features to make them feel improved. They have the right to remove somethings that might be considered essential eg. Swains limp. Is it really that necessary to keep? would it be what holds the character up once he's re-introduced? Judging from the upvotes for people who say it is, my opinion might go down like a lead balloon. So here's another example, lots thought Urgot's abnormal; obese and decaying body was important to keep for his rework. Well disappointment for those that strongly believed that, but in hindsight it's removal hasn't taken anything away from Urgot. Although his lore has yet to be released, his character seems a million miles more improved and efficiently different from his previous incarnation.
I don't think my suggestion of giving Swain more politic and power play with The black rose story is something cliche but yes,I wholeheartedly agree with you that "They have the right to remove somethings that might be considered essential" because VGUs, Reimagine, Rework, or else are all about "interpretation". and people can interpret a champion in million different ways. Something that is essential for someone might not relevant to some others at all. This is the point that most of players doesn't think of. Do you know that there are a lot of Swain mains that out of nowhere and swarm /r/SwainMains subreddit since his VGU announcement. Only to complain that they are losing their freelo champ. While know how they feel. I still fkking annoyed all of them. One of my most joys when it comes to VGUs is that how the team interpret a champion and give us . If new Swain turns out to be look and feel the same. I don't know what's the point of VGUs.
Korios (EUNE)
: Swain's VGU concern
No, This is just a version that designed for Sion relaunch. The upcoming VGU will be completely new.
: > [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GEFYQP9Q,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-20T00:15:58.139+0000) > > He is one of the concept artists working on Swain as well as the lead artists overall on Swain. > > And yes he hasn't stopped talking about Swain since we started. Yes! I am very fortunate to have the honor to work with such a talented team as the art lead on the project.
You are the reason why I think that this VGU will turn out to be the best in terms of visual.
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: It actually looks like the back of the armor. And those steel plates are like armor on the cape.
If this is the back of the armor it would look like Yorick's back plate.
: If so, then the same designer worked on {{champion:91}} 's cape
I definitely think the same and if this is the back of the armor it would look like {{champion:83}}'s too
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Sherogarth (EUNE)
: Yasuo mains: "What exactly do you hate about Yasuo?"
Similar to What exactly do you hate about cancer?
: All I want Gameplay-wise is for Swain to stay as a DoT mage, be relatively tanky(No glass cannon), and for riot to give him more mechanical depth. I love his ultimate form, but if it absolutely needs to go for whatever direction they take him, which I believe they will if they want to move him away from his current simplicity, I'll be fine with it. I'll miss it, but I'll be fine. (So long as he keeps his DoT and Durability). Regarding his personality and visuals, I hope for the same thing you do.
I'm sure they will keep his transformation ability but with a complete overhualed mechanic to the point that it might not give you healing effect anymore. Frankly, except of transformation kit and Mage role. I couldn't careless of what ChampUp team wants to do with him gameplay-wise. Let's face the truth that his current kits are very simple and I just want more challenging but rewarding kits that require a time and learning curve to master him. Something like making a difference between his human and raven form. His human form might play like a generic warlock but when you transforms to his raven form it will trigger his human's spells
Jango Mage (EUNE)
: I hope that his rework is going to be like more of a modernization(like {{champion:6}} or {{champion:19}} ) and not a bigger overhaul.(like {{champion:3}} or {{champion:14}} ) Hes been one of my mains for almost as long as i started playing the game, so i dont want riot to ruin him.
I don't think so, Reav3 said that he feels Swain needs massive overhaul like Galio and Sion but he's not sure if the changes would be as big as the two champs. "You mean which champions needs Sion/Galio level work? Keep in mind this is just my gut feelings and things could change when we actually work on these champions. Champions I feel need massive overhauls would be champions like Nunu, Skarner, Swain, Mordekaiser, Mundo, Cho'Gath, Tryndamere to name a few. Not saying they all would be as big as Galio's changes were but that they probably need a lot of work. " https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VLii4BnW-riot-is-a-hypocrite?comment=00030002000000020000000400000002000000000000
Reav3 (NA)
: It's more about trying to serve as many players as possible. This is the same reason we generally don't do 2 new champions in the same position back to back either. This year has been all about junglers. Warwick, Kayn, Evelynn, Zac, Sejuani. Many people play one role primarily and then one off role. We want to spread the VGU love around.
I still thinking this is just one of the main reasons. Don't forget that avoiding champs from the same faction, role is just a minor factor in ChampUp team's decision making. Read this if you want more info http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/community/q/ask-riot-chromas-and-champup The big 4 factors are still the definitive ones. For example, The factor 4 Other Events / Projects going on around Riot - This factor played a big role back in Burning Tide event.
Krabohod (NA)
: We have _The Big 4_: Swain, Morde, Nunu, Panth. But Swain sure will be next
I would like to add Irelia to this.
: [Poll] What VGU would you like to see next, right after Evelynn?
Definitely {{champion:50}} It's the time to take Swain to the modern day of League and thinking of The grand general himself spearheading Noxus relaunch gives me sublime orgasm.
: This is all true, ttue, true. His skins need some touching ip, too. With all the awsome effects Riot comes up with for champs nowadays, I'd be really exited for more animations and unique animations for each of his skins I just hope he stays as a melee carry with high damage, low mobility, heals, and the same ult
> [{quoted}](name=Morde Unlimited,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WpFcsKrV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-09T15:22:33.275+0000) > > This is all true, ttue, true. His skins need some touching ip, too. With all the awsome effects Riot comes up with for champs nowadays, I'd be really exited for more animations and unique animations for each of his skins > > I just hope he stays as a melee carry with high damage, low mobility, heals, and the same ult I'm so sure that {{champion:50}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:20}} are very strong candidates for the next. If Morde wouldn't get the slot after Urgot. I'm sure he is the next project of Eve's team.
: I was kinda shocked when they announced aatrox as the "most requested Rework". Meanwhile I'm standing here like. dafuq.
> [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WpFcsKrV,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-07-09T16:22:21.275+0000) > > I was kinda shocked when they announced aatrox as the "most requested Rework". > > Meanwhile I'm standing here like. dafuq. **Aatrox's rework is labelled as GUs not VGUs. ** That means the current process of VGUs will not be affected by him at all. **Champ teams who are working on Eve Urgot and Aatrox are seperated team** I just don't understand why most of people keep referring to Aatrox when talking about next VGUs.
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Krabohod (NA)
: I would not be surprised if Urgot will get cinematic. He is one of the most awaited + memeful vgu.
Not less awaited + memeful than Yorick and Yorick got only teaser pic.
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: Well I rellay hope so, but after today I don't think that we will get it this patch. Guess next one.
So, What will be the highlight for 7.14 then? Another themed skin? (Omega Squad?)
: Is the champ gonna be in 7.14?
If the new champ would be released after 7.14 that means our Urgot and a new ChampUp blog would be revealed this late July. Plz Don't.
: We could, but we don't honestly know if the champ is coming out in 7.14 (though I suspect it may). I hope we will get a teaser soon though as I am growing tired of nothing truly new to the game coming since 7.8.
It should be happened in 7.14. If not, I afraid we would wait about a month longer to see our new Urgot and new ChampUp blog late July.
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Reav3 (NA)
: Hmmmm....curious
Such a Curiously Curious statement.
: I have a question reave3 .. so do you intend to show the next 3 VGU's after evelynn?? considering the removal of class updates or you'll stick to reveal 2 VGU's only?? if so please let it be {{champion:20}} then {{champion:80}} then {{champion:50}} then {{champion:82}} (he needs to be a juggernaut tbh instead of a marksman) then {{champion:10}} /{{champion:25}} and lastly {{champion:54}} Another question?? what are your plans on malp?? he doesn't have a bit of a connection to runatera in the new lore so what then?? I love him lols so please her out my theories... my theories are: a. he will be a shadow isles character considering the black mist can make things a living being(maokai and fiddle if you make him a shadow isle character) make him turn into an evil mind slave of the isles . b. like my theory above but in bilgewater because its close to the shadow isles and the black mist and lastly c. combine them all lols jk but something like nautilus or ivern. PS: please dont delay haunted maokai splash :D
Sadly, He said that he would likely reveal only 1 next VGUs after Urgot release since they had decided to give us Champ Blog more often.
: I cited a source lol just find it there lol Responding to your above post since for some reason there isn't a reply on it. Galio was actually one of our best received VGUs we have ever done and also one of our most successful. This doesn't mean every champion needs to change as much as Galio though. For every VGU they main goal is to bring a champion up to modern standards. WE basically ask ourselves "What if we made this champion today?" Different Champions will have different answers to that question. Warwick already ahd a lot of cool stuff and was at one point in the past a very popular champion. Galio needed a lot of work to be brought up to modern standards. Evelynn already has a lot to like so it will be more similar to WW. **At some point we will get to Nunu who is in a similar boat to old Galio in that he will need A LOT of work. This is not something we are going to shy away from in the future.** ~Reav3 http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/06/champion-roadmap-june-2017/
Oh I saw this post too. Anyway, Nothing special to me because it was kind of statement Reav3 always keep saying when he refers to strong candidates. The statements that give me strong hints of Swain are from WWAAAARGHbobo as follows "Swain is being looked at by champup and worldbuilding. Rakan's line is a reference to OG swain. We will pull it depending on where Swain lands." https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/66jbqk/were_the_team_that_made_xayah_and_rakan_ask_us/dgj9m5p/?context=3 and this one from Reav3. not strong hint though but it teased me. "Alenxko will be receiving skins for Cassiopeia, Viktor, Yorick, Illaoi (and more) They forgot to mention Swain :L [–]Reav3 Hmmm..Curious" https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/69223f/dev_state_of_skins/dh3ezxc/?context=3
: i bet the next 2 champ VGU's will be nunu and panth.. it just my instinct considering a lot of rioters talk about them in who will be the next VGU post in here or in reddit.
Interesting, Could you give me those links or posts.
: ~~The Order vs Chaos event is something pretty big, though.~~
Yeah but Didn't VS event release in 7.12?
: I do, but mostly cause the sooner we get the new champ, the sooner we get Urgot. Though I am curious to see what this new transformation champ is (not happy that its gonna be a jungle champ though).
Exactly what I have been thinking of. I expected the next new champ to be Ap mid laner. Anyway, While Urgot is one of the highlight I 'm looking for. The next ChampUp blog is something I will die for.
: Swain update when?
keep your eyes on the next ChampUp blog.
: yeah, I think that the teaser of the new champion will be in June and the Urgot teaser in July but both will ship in the next month, becasue I don't expect that Riot will release the new champ in 7.14 then in 7.15 the Urgot skin. I think we will get in 7.14 the new champ , 7.15 some bigger balance stuff and Poolparty skins that are quite big with an event and after that in 7.16 or 7.17 will be Urgot.
Actually, I was pretty disappointed that they dedicated 7.13 to highlight SKT skins. Yeah, the skins are beautiful and could easily be the best of E-Sport skin line but ,Frankly, I feel 7.13 has nothing relevant to my interesting and I have to wait longer for Urgot and new ChampUp blog.
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: Good, IMO. I love Noxus, but Urgot never really fit in with the rest of Noxus, he makes way more sense if they just make him full Zaunite.
And it will be really better to let Swain spearhead Noxus lore relaunch.
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