> [{quoted}](name=ACatIsFineToo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Uz9rXEP4,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-09T03:39:24.348+0000) > > I think kindred just needs her passive adjusted. 4 marks is a little high to start stacking. I think it should be improved at the first 4. Example > > Current : When you hit 4 stacks, gain 75 range. > > Change : When you hit 2 stacks, gain 50 range. When you hit 4 stacks, gain 50 range. > > > This gives her a little more range at early levels, without giving her high range as soon as the game starts. > > Alternately, just give her 50 range at 1 stack and keep going as is. 25 range at 4, 7 etc. I'd say 1st mark give 50 range then after 4 start giving more. That way Kindred doesn't get to their late game power spike (8 marks+) during laning phase. Because that's when Kindred goes out of control like a fed Nasus or Veigar.

> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Uz9rXEP4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-12-09T01:35:11.878+0000) > > Personally I want the old passive back it made the kit work better together and it felt better in my opinion. But I think kindred is in a good spot the main problem I have is that jg sucks. > > Actually the main problem I have is the people wanting a rework since they don't play the champion and are pretty clueless about the champion. Since they say stuff like they're always broken or bad without any proof since they just hate the champion and nothing else or the people saying wolf needs to be half the champion without realizing that would turn the champion into something else. Old rework made Kindred more boring but not so mark reliant. The problem with the passive is how 50/50 is it. You are not a champion before 4 marks, and a good team will keep you from getting your marks early game or even late game if you don't get 8 marks by the time Baron spawns. (if Kindred doesn't get 8 marks by 20 mins then they are behind). But if they free farm marks they can insane range and attack speed after Q. That's why some people say Kindred is op because with a lot of marks early game they are super good because of their range and how much power that can give them during lane phase cause it makes ganks super good. But again, without Marks you might as well be playing a support only good for ulting.

> [{quoted}](name=Delightful Mango,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Uz9rXEP4,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-09T04:21:23.438+0000) > > Agreed! A champion that literally nobody plays and is spammed by only good one trick players, (why her winrate is high because of her one tricks that are extremely good when playing her) does not need a rework! > > Hope u understand is satire and what i mean is that the champ actually sucks, is a troll pick and only really attached one tricks that are really good at her spamm her in games. Even they don't wanna play her, but they are stuck with it bcs i also used to main her and i know how it works. I hate have a new Kindred player on my team. If they don't have 100K+ points or m7 I know how that game will go. And I'm right most of the time. Kindred needs a rework to be more new player friendly but keep the high skill level of play you can get when maining the champion. Also no, Kindred is not broken.

This is why I play Illoai, strong, does a lot of damage, CAN BE SO TANKY.

> [{quoted}](name=KutterSlasher,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=v05Y2JtB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-08T03:14:10.287+0000) > > Current Kindred is pretty good. She doesn't need a rework. They don't need a rework because they're bad. They need a rework for many reasons. No one plays them, not new player friendly (which is what Riot wants). Most people hate how the passive works. Wolf isn't a very big part of the kit when compared to Lamb. These are all good reasons for Kindred to get a rework, not a big crazy rework but more like Diana just got, something to help with the champion.

> [{quoted}](name=93Lobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gBWnQgyE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-07T18:11:50.642+0000) > > You keep saying its too much like Kayn. Have you read past the Passive? Thats literally the only thing that remotely resembles his kit. Even then its like a 1/3 to 1/2 at most. > > I offered my thoughts on what a kindred rework should look like, included wolf in the kit, changed the W, kept the marks. I in no way expect it to be taken as is I'd just hope for similarities at most. I wrote this to give inspiration. You say its too much like Kayn but so what? The abilities are totally different the only thing remotely like Kayn is just the Passive and only half of it at most. > > All the reworks are all done with the Lore in mind and drawing new players in. Does Kindred stay true to its lore as is? > > I was only throwing my opinion out. It has nothing to do with what others want but what I'd like to see. Kayn and Kindred have a similar theme. 2 Champions as one. Kayn is a Darkin yes but he's technically 2 different personas as well. They are both Grim Reapers sort of. Its just Kayn is fighting for control were The Kindred work in tandem one taking the kill at a time. You want to add Wolf into the kit but I want Wolf to be equal to Lamb and make Kindred true to its name while staying true to the lore. > > > You are talking from the prospective of a Kindred player and I'm talking from the prospective as a player. The player who is the one that Riot will be building the rework for not the OTP. What an OTP wants is only thinking about what they (the OTP top 35% high elo ranked player) would like to see not whats good for the regular player base. > > > > We have different opinions and I don't see us agreeing so guess this conversation is at an impasse No Kindred doesn't stay very true to there Lore but what I mean by too much like Kayn is that THEIR PASSIVE is too much like Kayn's. I guess you never caught on to that. And yes, this is an impasse.

> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh6WrATY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-07T02:35:21.676+0000) > > My issue with that video is they act like Aatrox was the only champ to ever been remade > > {{champion:3}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:6}} were treated the same and kept as much as Aatrox did as well Ok but you can look at old Aatrox and new Aatrox and old Aatrox sounds like a different champion. Galio still has his taunt and Urgot still has his switching position (his E). Aatrox still had his revive but that's gone now, so he's pretty much a new champion. He is not Aatrox he is worse and shitty Riven.

> [{quoted}](name=93Lobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gBWnQgyE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-06T04:18:08.037+0000) > > I respect your opinion and appreciate you taking the time to comment but I'll have to respectfully disagree. > > TL;DR > If Riot were to rework champions based off the preferences of OTPs (One trick pony) there would never be a unified voice and Kindred would still only be a champion that is rarely picked by those wanting to get into the game. OTPs play a champ cause they are used to it, a rework is to change the champion entirely. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When it comes to a rework its not to cater to the play-style of the OTP its to bring the champion up to date and make accessible to the larger player base. Kindred is functional but how many play her? Does she fit with the original concept? How well has she aged? > > With all the recent reworks how many OTPs were upset when their favorite champion got a rework? Mid Mordekaiser stopped playing Morde all together because he could no longer take him mid and he hated all the changes. There were numerous people that hated the Pantheon rework as well. Same with Kayle. Same with any other rework coming soon. > > Lastly a lot of champions have similar things in their kit. It helps new players understand the mechanics. Aphelios is a new champion that has 5 weapons and like 4 of them have other champions abilities. Senna also has other champion abilities. Its how you get players familiar and help transition from one character to the next. I understand what a rework is supposed to do. A lot of Kindred players want a rework for many reasons. But the one thing we don't want from the rework is having a Kayn like passive. What Kindred players want from a rework is a better W. More Wolf in the kit. Change the passive but keep the marks. That's not just what I want from a Kindred rework but also what others want.

Best change would be the enemy team doesn't see the mark. It causes some of the dumbest lvl 3 team fights at scuttle.

Coming from a Kindred main, I would hate this. Most Kindred players would hate this because it's just a new Kayn. Hell, I'm pretty sure everyone would hate this because it's just a knock-off Kayn. Not meaning to rude but people have given this idea before and it never goes well with Kindred players. (mostly on Reddit)

> [{quoted}](name=Reaper Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yyWEFVKr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-05T03:01:40.242+0000) > > one tricks can be any champion. The concept isn't whether a champion is one-trickable? it's your superior knowledge and fluidity in using said champion compared to other players/opponents. There are champions who when one tricked are gods. The ones he listed like that are Akali and Kindred. I guess you could say Evelynn and Kai'sa are gods when one-tricked but eh not really.

I expect this to be retired just like the statue did after getting restocked once even tho it's apart of the main plush line.

Good job Riot.

> [{quoted}](name=Everyday Legends,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fGqQi4A7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-12-01T23:07:07.828+0000) > > Their issue with Kindred is a skin would require an above-average amount of work, given that it would require designs and effects for both Lamb _**and**_ Wolf. Add on that Kindred is a Champion that probably has limited popularity (and by extension, sales), and the end result is that it's just not high on their priority list. Uhhh do you know how much work goes into Akali skins!?

> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fGqQi4A7,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-12-01T23:01:05.251+0000) > > I'd prefer her getting a rework. Same, they just feel so bad to play most of the time.

Why are Voil and Kha'zix B TIER?!

> [{quoted}](name=iiGazeii,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EU7AgBER,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-22T02:54:01.490+0000) > > If you are ahead, try to flank the enemy and pick people off, saving it for when they collapse on you and you are about to die. Get them low, use your E to prime the execute, and finish them off in one auto right as the zone wears off. > > If you are behind, stay with your team and save the ult to protect your teammate that is the most fed. Try to place it more towards the back, not right in the middle, so the enemy can't stand in the zone. Don't flank as Kindred. You are no assassin.

Isn't Kindred just the new Lucian?

> [{quoted}](name=Dracocrash,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yszEK181,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-21T22:22:48.255+0000) > > Wolf is considered a spell, not an auto attack. > Conqueror grants 2 stacks on spell usage. > > If kindred is getting more than 2 stacks per usage of W thats a bug :) Knowing Kindred might be a bug.

Next patch. Was leaked back in the summer along with a lot of stuff and no one saw the leak. *this leak called SG and some of True Damage and this champion, all would be released by 2.24 it said*

I 2nd all of this. I'm a Kindred main with over 300K points and played them a lot this season, got to the point where just 2 weeks ago I stopped playing them because they feel so bad to play. I just want a rework at this point. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}

> [{quoted}](name=Néékö,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=PTV9di7M,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-18T12:54:46.708+0000) > > I'm sorry! I went to the dark side... played support since s2 manning enchanters Janna, Soraka, Sona. Now I'm mostly Neeko anylane usually support unless she banned.{{sticker:sg-soraka}} > Theirs no saving me Neeko is best{{sticker:sg-jinx}} Oh god you really are beyond saving if you think Neeko is the best.

Don't. Do not start maining this champion. Listen to another Kindred main. Riot cares so little about Kindred it's laughable. And playing the champion in game is a mess too.

No

> [{quoted}](name=Trusting,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ELuoeIbM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-14T17:59:56.692+0000) > > Me... a kindred onetrick... gets S on kindred... almost everyday Same. But I don't onetrick

> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OAWYwErw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-12T19:16:55.816+0000) > > They did it on purpose to give the movie traction No they didn't

There is a timer. But it's bugged rn sooo. Time to add it to their list

Happens to me all the time. It's annoying

> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=T85fQ54h,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-06T05:18:52.800+0000) > > Tried to play a lot of kindred when they got released. The insane amount of present bugs early on and the extended state of Riot not caring about the champ kinda made me distant tbh Yeah... Riot tried to fix one of the their more older bugs last patch but it just brought another bug with it...

> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=T85fQ54h,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-11-05T23:28:53.434+0000) > > Some champions like Aatrox get a lot less attention in content addition when compaired to several other champions. Let people who enjoy the champion enjoy the scarce things they receive, not everything needs to be aimed at YOUR favorite champions, especially if those are more popular/content heavy than others... *cries in Kindred* Tbh us Kindred players get happy at anything from Riot. Like the new set 2 trailer lol.

"Kindred (Maybe belongs in Monstrous, but please let me keep some measure of dignity)" Sorry I just found that funny because you already knew what people where going to say about Lamb.

Sounds good. But will take some getting used to

I was REALLY hoping to hear something about this from Riot or in Morde's new story but, didn't happen. So we really don't know. I think Morde doesn't believe in Kindred so.

> [{quoted}](name=Daszkal,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=MpTQZxH7,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-10-31T15:54:54.960+0000) > > What about Kindred being in the Dog vs Cats splasharts, What about Pentakill Mordekaiser's tattoo, what about when Kindred almost got buff, what about Kindred being one of the first champs added to TFT in it's release day and going to be in the Rise of the Elements update as Shadowfire Kindred, What about Kindred's tattoo and fanart in the 10 year anniversary event, and what about Ashe {{champion:22}} praying to Kindred in her new VO? > > All that was done in this exact year, I'm not trying to defend Riot or anything, since we still want a skin, a very good one, and maybe some buffs or a minor kit tweak, I'm just stating the facts that Riot does think about Kindred just alittle bit more than just 0% or atleast some of the Rioters(Obviously the financial team doesn't care). > > TL:DR, Kindred did get alittle attention from Riot this year. > Question: Does Riot think about Kindred? > Answer: Kinda. > > I think Kindred is one of those champs whose lore works better when other champs meet them in their stories like Gangplank {{champion:41}}, Yorick {{champion:83}} can see the Wolf, and Jhin {{champion:202}} will sometimes hum Kindred's song, maybe he had a near deaf experience and heard Lamb's song, I think the reason why Kindred haven't met Senna or any other undead champs, because Kindred hasn't gone to the Shadow Isles yet, that's my speculation. We can thank Riot August for most things Kindred. He is the only person at Riot that actually thinks about the character.

Almost a month later and this still hasn't been taken care of.

Answer: Does Riot think about Kindred? No. So Kindred doesn't think about Senna and Senna doesn't think about Kindred.

This change is fine. People hate the new cloud because of how many more wards you'll need for vision and Rengar will be broken af

Uhhhhh God king skins? You forgot some skins man. Btw I got God King Garen meaning I have all the God King skins now.

> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kRUTxT0A,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-26T22:33:29.496+0000) > > In the last 2 months I played non-stop Rammus and climbed from 0 ranked games played this season to Platinum in both Solo Queue and Flex. How "powerful" champions are don't really matter in Silver, or even Gold. Heck, probably not even in Platinum. It's all about how good you are with the champion you're playing and how well you understand objectives. If you look look for external reasons for why you aren't doing as well as you think you should be, you're always going to find them. I'm not trying to say op champions are keeping me from winning (well part of that is true) I'm just saying Riot keeps buffing already good champions to the breaking point, making some of them auto win lanes. I myself can fight a Garen rn and can tune a gank. I'm not bad at the game. But what's most annoying is in a team game because of all the powerful champions someone on either team will auto lose a lane.

How has Kindred had an impact this season? We've been meh most of the season.

Because it's one of the most powerful ults in the game.

Yasuo and Akali ruin the line. They aren't needed. And Akali just got her last skin 80 days ago. With Yasuo behind by 100+ days. This is sickening on how much money Riot wants.

That's why Ekko hasn't been nerfed...

> [{quoted}](name=JustDonnyy,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=QqyATFkT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-14T18:32:43.118+0000) > > Kindred basically has two characters, Lamb and Wolf, so skin ideas shouldn't be too difficult, especially ones that are capable of being legendaries. Can't wait for champions like Kindred and Xerath to finally get skins only for the community to probably hate them and say they're "not up to standard". Lol. Actually. Them being 2 characters would make a legendary skin even cooler! Think about something like Dark star and Cosmic crossover skin. That would be amazing!

Master Yi is weaker AD Vald

No, please no. They are either balanced like Sion or become annoying as shit to get to your power spike like Kindred or make laning a pain.