Antenora (EUW)
: No to Mastery in 3v3. Getting an S in 3v3 is a lot easier than 5v5 and is not a display of skill or mastery on the champion. I am a strong believer that Mastery 6 and 7 tokens should be obtained only from Summoner's Rift. https://i.gyazo.com/2d5d8caef53d6ed38d14f391fdbb9388.png A score like that on Summoner's Rift on that champion.... You'd be lucky to get a B. ** If you're good enough on your champion that you deserve Mastery 7 then go and earn it in the proper game mode (SR) not the gimmick game modes **
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pBzq7xe9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-16T11:24:44.322+0000) > > No to Mastery in 3v3. > > Getting an S in 3v3 is a lot easier than 5v5 and is not a display of skill or mastery on the champion. > > > I am a strong believer that Mastery 6 and 7 tokens should be obtained only from Summoner's Rift. > > > https://i.gyazo.com/2d5d8caef53d6ed38d14f391fdbb9388.png > > > A score like that on Summoner's Rift on that champion.... You'd be lucky to get a B. > > ** If you're good enough on your champion that you deserve Mastery 7 then go and earn it in the proper game mode (SR) not the gimmick game modes ** I hate SR. I play 3v3 because the community is more tight knit and individual performance is much more important. There's nothing I hate more than playing SR, playing terribly and still winning because I got carried. Not saying that that can't happen in 3v3, I just prefer it because what you do as an individual is going to matter more because there's less people on your team. I've always thought that solo/duo queuing 5v5 has not been at all conducive to that type of gamemode. Why should I, unless I am able to get four other friends, be forced to grind out solo games in a mode that isn't fun to queue solo just for mastery 6/7? There might not be a lot of us, but there's enough 3v3 players that we shouldn't just be outright ignored. Anyone that's been in the game long enough knows that mastery is not indicative of skill whatsoever - rather, it's a metric of how much you play a champion. As long as you just play okay enough, you're bound to get an occasional S just because of how matchmaking works. I've got a good deal of mastery 6-7s and I'm Bronze 4. Why should they be gated by what gamemode we play then?
: Quicksilver Sash/Mercurial should not exist.
I don't even play many AD champs and I see the necessity of QSS. No one deserves to be Zoe slept and have no way to counter it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8b6OMy8s,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:38:08.488+0000) > > Don't bother unless you're in a pro team. {{champion:223}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:429}} are all pointless to pick in solo queue because of pro play. Hey man don't be like that I have a Kench and Ryze main friend and they're pretty good, Well for silver at least Just because they're not amazing doesn't mean you shouldn't try
> [{quoted}](name=BobMcBobington,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8b6OMy8s,comment-id=0006000100000001,timestamp=2019-03-14T20:32:34.739+0000) > > Hey man don't be like that > I have a Kench and Ryze main friend and they're pretty good, Well for silver at least > Just because they're not amazing doesn't mean you shouldn't try Ideally we should be able to try out all 143 champs in training tool before we actually buy them. Unfortunately that's not the case, and when I recommend champs in isolation of anything that may help my decision making besides the roles they might want, I recommend what would be the easiest to get in to and have the most impact. Kench gets hit with nerf bats so much because of pro play that he's far from being a viable support, Ryze is probably the most mechanically difficult champion in the game to play (maybe Azir as well) and as such I can't recommend him to someone in isolation of any other factors, and Kalista is dependent on her support much more so than other ADCs are, and given the wildly random quality of teammates you get in solo queue, I can't really recommend her to play in that setting.
: Who should I main?
Of course, if you try them out in the training tool and you really really really like their kits and feel like you can play them well enough, then by all means go ahead and do so. In this instance though I can't really recommend champs whose functionality and viability hinge mostly on pro play.
: Well morg has been one of the most balanced and fair supports in the game for a very long time whereas morg mid has been hard to balance since it is very unfun to lane against and shuts down a lot of champions in mid. So it makes no sense to have be balanced around mid since balancing her around support works much better and it doesn't matter if it is less fun to play there are lots of things more fun to play but should not be balanced around since it is bad for the game. Also mid has been morgana's main role for a long time so a lot of supports and players who never seen when morg mid was the main role would not be happy with her going back to mid.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MkRmiBAA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:24:54.838+0000) > > Well morg has been one of the most balanced and fair supports in the game for a very long time whereas morg mid has been hard to balance since it is very unfun to lane against and shuts down a lot of champions in mid. So it makes no sense to have be balanced around mid since balancing her around support works much better and it doesn't matter if it is less fun to play there are lots of things more fun to play but should not be balanced around since it is bad for the game. > > Also mid has been morgana's main role for a long time so a lot of supports and players who never seen when morg mid was the main role would not be happy with her going back to mid. I find Morg support very oppressive too. It's not fun to be locked down for an insane amount of time compared to most other CC in the game because of jank hitboxes (of which I've both been hit by and hit people with, so there's no bias one way or another). It's not fun to have most of my champs invalidated because Morg pressed E on her ADC, but she can do that. I don't buy it, sorry. I'd argue that your problems with her stems from her kit as a whole and not just her W, and I still maintain that her being banished to support is the result of pigeonholing that people have gone along with for years and years.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8b6OMy8s,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:07:25.280+0000) > > You might like {{champion:236}} as he is primarily an ADC but can also be played in the mid lane. Mobility is always important to have and Lucian's really big on it. I have found him difficult to learn myself, but he always seems to be one of the better marksman picks so it would be good to learn him regardless. {{champion:202}} can also do this, but has more of a long range and safe playstyle. He can be plenty speedy as well though. > > Mid/ADC overlap is usually in favor of the ADCs though, in that there are some ADCs that can midlane, but not really any midlaners that can ADC. {{champion:157}} has been tried but I think it's really niche and I don't see it being a thing in the long run. > > As far as pure midlaners go it depends if you prefer mages or assassins more, as both of them are primarliy played in the midlane: > > {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:99}} are mages that I find have simple and easy to understand kits without being dreadfully boring to play like {{champion:1}} is. > With {{champion:45}} you have to worry about primarily stacking up AP with your Q, which can be done by CSing and hitting enemy champs. Your W is flat damage that hits after a delay, your E is great for both stunning and trapping, and your R is point and click to do a ton of damage. Just stack up loads of AP with him and you'll have him down in no time. Out of all of these I'd recommend him the most as he's a bit easier than {{champion:161}} to learn without necessarily sacrificing damage capability like {{champion:99}} would. > {{champion:161}} might seem difficult because of his Q, but it doesn't take that long to get down. He works like {{champion:63}} in that you generally want to hit people with as many of your abilities as possible, although unlike Brand's passive it's not really necessary that you do so. Your W is great for poking, and is what you'll primarily use to CS with. His E keeps people in place and makes it easier for your Q to hit. His Q definitely has a learning curve, but if you can get it down right, it's a great source of both damage and CC. His ult is a simple death beam that works great for when people are stuck in a certain area. Definitely the hardest of my three recommendations to learn, but can really be worth it when you do get him down. > {{champion:99}} is for if you'd rather be more of a support oriented midlaner. She has her W which you can use to shield teammates, and CC with her Q and E, which is what you'll use to poke down people (she is a poke champion). Once you have people snared, ult people to do your damage, although you'll find that you probably won't be leading in kill counts all the time. I would recommend {{champion:25}} for this sort of thing instead of Lux, but Riot seems hellbent on making Morgana only support, so I wouldn't recommend her in the long run as a midlaner. > > I'm not as knowledgeable when it comes to assassins so I can't really give you great recommendations here, but from what I know, {{champion:91}} is on the easier side if you want to play an AD oriented assassin. {{champion:105}} isn't that hard to learn either, although I find that he can be really reliant on his ult. Don't know if {{champion:245}} is really considered an assassin or not, but I feel like he's the best of both worlds between a mage and assassin, so you might end up liking him. What about {{champion:223}}?
> [{quoted}](name=WyvernEgg,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8b6OMy8s,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:31:12.233+0000) > > What about {{champion:223}}? Don't bother unless you're in a pro team. {{champion:223}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:429}} are all pointless to pick in solo queue because of pro play.
IAmTheLego (EUNE)
: CertainlyT's view on frustration
Guy who makes terribly unfun, meta-warping horrible excuses for champion design comes up with excuses for his champion design. Not shocked at all.
: meanwhile {{champion:34}} is played support in diamond
> [{quoted}](name=DeathShadow2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MkRmiBAA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:11:05.181+0000) > > meanwhile {{champion:34}} is played support in diamond Thanks, I'll add it to the list.
: Who should I main?
You might like {{champion:236}} as he is primarily an ADC but can also be played in the mid lane. Mobility is always important to have and Lucian's really big on it. I have found him difficult to learn myself, but he always seems to be one of the better marksman picks so it would be good to learn him regardless. {{champion:202}} can also do this, but has more of a long range and safe playstyle. He can be plenty speedy as well though. Mid/ADC overlap is usually in favor of the ADCs though, in that there are some ADCs that can midlane, but not really any midlaners that can ADC. {{champion:157}} has been tried but I think it's really niche and I don't see it being a thing in the long run. As far as pure midlaners go it depends if you prefer mages or assassins more, as both of them are primarliy played in the midlane: {{champion:45}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:99}} are mages that I find have simple and easy to understand kits without being dreadfully boring to play like {{champion:1}} is. With {{champion:45}} you have to worry about primarily stacking up AP with your Q, which can be done by CSing and hitting enemy champs. Your W is flat damage that hits after a delay, your E is great for both stunning and trapping, and your R is point and click to do a ton of damage. Just stack up loads of AP with him and you'll have him down in no time. Out of all of these I'd recommend him the most as he's a bit easier than {{champion:161}} to learn without necessarily sacrificing damage capability like {{champion:99}} would. {{champion:161}} might seem difficult because of his Q, but it doesn't take that long to get down. He works like {{champion:63}} in that you generally want to hit people with as many of your abilities as possible, although unlike Brand's passive it's not really necessary that you do so. Your W is great for poking, and is what you'll primarily use to CS with. His E keeps people in place and makes it easier for your Q to hit. His Q definitely has a learning curve, but if you can get it down right, it's a great source of both damage and CC. His ult is a simple death beam that works great for when people are stuck in a certain area. Definitely the hardest of my three recommendations to learn, but can really be worth it when you do get him down. {{champion:99}} is for if you'd rather be more of a support oriented midlaner. She has her W which you can use to shield teammates, and CC with her Q and E, which is what you'll use to poke down people (she is a poke champion). Once you have people snared, ult people to do your damage, although you'll find that you probably won't be leading in kill counts all the time. I would recommend {{champion:25}} for this sort of thing instead of Lux, but Riot seems hellbent on making Morgana only support, so I wouldn't recommend her in the long run as a midlaner. I'm not as knowledgeable when it comes to assassins so I can't really give you great recommendations here, but from what I know, {{champion:91}} is on the easier side if you want to play an AD oriented assassin. {{champion:105}} isn't that hard to learn either, although I find that he can be really reliant on his ult. Don't know if {{champion:245}} is really considered an assassin or not, but I feel like he's the best of both worlds between a mage and assassin, so you might end up liking him.
: Morgana's W nerfs
Yeah that's why I'm saying to nerf her support oriented abilities a little bit.
: Pantheon X Raka
You spelled {{champion:50}} /{{champion:69}} wrong.
Rioter Comments
: Who should I main?
Which role do you prefer playing? Do you have one?
: > [{quoted}](name=ChrisBrownze,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R0Z9ERYP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-13T06:18:00.588+0000) > > Was everyone queued up together but you? Ive queued up for norms with friends as a squad of 4 and we've had games where the 5th random just feeds awfully making terrible decisions all game and as a joke we'll give him 4 honors for "great shotcalling". We dont tell him why since we only talk about it in comms but I find it hilarious and i imagine their reaction to receiving 4 honors for going 1/10 and getting carried must be priceless. > > {{sticker:sg-kiko}} it was ranked. i did well but i didnt deserve it as a support lol
> [{quoted}](name=Sugma Tip,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R0Z9ERYP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-13T06:54:59.979+0000) > > it was ranked. i did well but i didnt deserve it as a support lol In Overwatch everyone usually always gives the Mercy all the honors, so maybe it's that kinda thing but for League.
: Please take mid laners out of support
Why isn't {{champion:25}} on there too? So dumb that she's been pigeonholed in to being a support for the longest time.
: Faker plays aatrox couldn't even get 2 kills
I heard that Faker doesn't have a single kill on Apex Legends yet either
Haziv (EUW)
: What new skin would you like for Taric?
Personally I would have made Taric a Star Guardian before Ezreal, but since that ship has sailed already... I think something like Woad King Darius would look wonderful on Taric. Could call it Frozen Wastes Taric or something like that (I'd say Glacial but I'm guessing Glacial Olaf is called as he is because he's literally blue) Also maybe King of Hearts Taric (an Frozen Wastes Taric (think something like Woad King Darius but for Taric) King of Hearts Taric (an expansion on the card line from before) Arclight/Warden Taric (boring but reliable skin lines) Viscero Taric (use Viscero Xin Zhao as a reference since he's the only one in that skin line, also gives him a serious vibe as well as highlights his penchant to... eh, show off) Mythic Taric (something tells me he'd look both amazing yet imposing in ancient Greek clothing) Star Guardian Taric (just because it bears mentioning again and that it's a thing that should happen)
: Can we have a blatantly "ugly" male/female in the game?
{{champion:79}} His base model is so disgusting that it's hard to look at. One of the only champs that I actually had to get a skin to play as.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=GqlN0EGv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-03-10T05:18:28.468+0000) > > You're a couple years late on that buddy. Kaceytron already did a magnificent job exposing Riot. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hWb3CJEaE LCS is rigged because BJerg is a pretty boy. Yeah, that's totally logical. That's a couple of minutes of my life wasted that I'll never get back. How does the pretty boy theory explain Doublelift? He's as goofy looking as can be.
> [{quoted}](name=BigBellBrute,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=GqlN0EGv,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-03-11T02:27:29.768+0000) > > LCS is rigged because BJerg is a pretty boy. Yeah, that's totally logical. That's a couple of minutes of my life wasted that I'll never get back. How does the pretty boy theory explain Doublelift? He's as goofy looking as can be. Have you seen what Doublelift looks like without his glasses on? He wouldn't look out of place wearing a Givenchy sweater on a Milanese runway. Wake up sheeple! The League meta is being run by male models like Burgerson and you all don't even know it!
: LCS RIGGED?!?! *PROOF*
You're a couple years late on that buddy. Kaceytron already did a magnificent job exposing Riot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hWb3CJEaE
dalphy08 (NA)
: Why must female champions "support" males?
Let's get this man to -100! Actually good troll, my friend. You deserve it.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: >{{champion:267}} Q: Actually the **easiest skillshot in the game** to hit. No one that actually plays this character seriously ever misses bubbles. ----------------------------------------------------- >her core item {{item:3905}} WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ??????
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RXgAAHdX,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-03-09T21:31:02.324+0000) > > Q: Actually the **easiest skillshot in the game** to hit. No one that actually plays this character seriously ever misses bubbles. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ?????? If you're not taking advantage of her AP (seriously she could be a midlaner if people stopped being so narrowminded about the meta and thinking that female supports can't lane) then there's no point in playing her. Just play Lulu, the easiest champ in the entire game.
: If what you said were true janna, nami and raka wouldn't be such prevalent scripter champions in Korea and ionia servers
> [{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RXgAAHdX,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-09T03:18:55.778+0000) > > If what you said were true janna, nami and raka wouldn't be such prevalent scripter champions in Korea and ionia servers They script with Janna to prove a point that they can do it with anyone. There's an infamous gang of rogue Janna top mains that have managed to get in to Diamond just by W+Qing people. Goes to show you how high the skill gap is between KR and NA when a team of Janna tops can get Diamond in KR. They'd get challenger here in no time. But yeah, they're all still easy to play. No skill reward at all. Nami's bubble is extremely easy to hit, anyone who thinks otherwise obviously doesn't have 200k+ mastery points on her. > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RXgAAHdX,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-09T03:17:13.733+0000) > > Ohh pls OP, The Master of Hard Champions, enlight us with your wisdom and tell us why is/are your main champion/s so hard to play compared to whole fucking role. I'm so ready to listen to you so I can be The Master of Skill-Expressive Champions like you. > Fuck Faker, fuck xPeke, fuck Bjergsen, fuck Rick and Morty 300 IQ fans, Worst Kench NA is the: > > - Alpha > - Beta > - and MADAFAKING Omega of skill expresion -Ryze -Kalista -Lucian -Azir -Ivern -Bard -Kench Easily the highest skill ceiling champions in the game. Playing any of them at a competent level demonstrates that you have more than acceptable mechanical skill in League. Something that you'll never get playing enchanters.
: I can't tell if this guy is memeing and I should upvote or not. What laughable bullshit.
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RXgAAHdX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-08T07:49:59.246+0000) > > I can't tell if this guy is memeing and I should upvote or not. > What laughable bullshit. I am not trolling.
: Nami or Morg
Nami is insanely hard to play bad as. I honestly don't get why people think she's hard compared to other enchanters. I find that a great deal of Morg's usability is tied to her Q, if you miss that then you better hope that there's something you can make use of your shield with. With Nami, if you miss her bubble (and missing isn't even a bad thing because using it for area denial can be just as effective) you've still got your W and E which can heal and speed you up (this is all provided that you're by yourself) Nami offers more as a support and is easier to play than Morgana in my opinion. I find Morg support to be an absolute snoozefest anyways, playing her mid to where she's actually supposed to be the one killing people is far more fun.
: ZED
I should have done my thread like this. Far less effort I have to put in.
: Is there a single tahm kench main who isn't a troll ?
Rioter Comments
: This would be a better troll if you didn't post so often. You need to say something ridiculously stupid like your op, let it fester, come back once the thread starts to die with something else moronic to start the whole conversation over again, and repeat. Also don't double or triple post in a row. It makes it too obvious. Some helpful advice for the future.
> [{quoted}](name=Hella Gay Nerd,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MsgA0pkO,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-03-08T02:21:32.106+0000) > > This would be a better troll if you didn't post so often. > > You need to say something ridiculously stupid like your op, let it fester, come back once the thread starts to die with something else moronic to start the whole conversation over again, and repeat. > > Also don't double or triple post in a row. It makes it too obvious. > > Some helpful advice for the future. I've actually done this a couple of times and it works better than you might think, OP. What I do is start a thread with something ridiculous, put a singular reply to the first or second poster to show that I'm engaging with the thread as the OP, and then dip until interest in the topic wanes and rinse and repeat. Bonus points if you start arguments between people replying to your thread. I'm going to make a post in Gameplay that will hopefully demonstrate this. If it's unsuccessful... then I guess I'm wrong. Oh, and even more bonus points if you get people agreeing with you and upvoting you.
: There should be a trade off to muting
If someone on my team flames me, that lets me know that they have nothing worth saying. If you feel the need to say "fk dumbass teammate stop int" instead of "hey (x) do you mind playing back a bit so that you don't die as much" then why should I not mute you? edit: My mistake for not reading through the replies. I honestly didn't think it was a troll thread. Got me!
Eldeeo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9cncPs12,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-07T01:01:32.899+0000) > > {{champion:142}} > > The actual worst designed champ ever, and is impossible to balance. First reply said it already but it bears repeating. That is somewhat normal for a CertinalyT champion however Also see release hate of; {{champion:122}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:238}} and reworks of; {{champion:19}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:84}}
> [{quoted}](name=Eldeeo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9cncPs12,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-03-07T01:18:00.708+0000) > > That is somewhat normal for a CertinalyT champion however > > Also see release hate of; > > {{champion:122}} > {{champion:412}} > {{champion:143}} > {{champion:157}} > {{champion:429}} > {{champion:238}} > > and reworks of; > > {{champion:19}} > {{champion:82}} > {{champion:104}} > {{champion:51}} > {{champion:84}} Oh for sure. I've said it in another thread before but I see CT champs as the design philosophy of "fun for me but not fun for everyone else" as in it's the guidelines that a lot of his champs follow. Obviously champs shouldn't be designed with the enjoyment of the enemy team in mind, but playing against a Yasuo, Thresh or Zoe detracts way too much from my experience to even derive any fun from the core game itself. I don't feel bad losing to someone like Lux, Miss Fortune or even Rengar like I would to most CT champs. I detest Zoe so much because she is the best example of CT design philosophy, so much so that even playing against her makes me not want to play the game. When that threshhold is crossed, then it's something that I see as unhealthy design. *should point out that while I do hate playing against Yasuos and Threshes, I don't get the "why am I even playing this game" feeling like I do when I play against Zoe.
: Most Hated Champion?
{{champion:142}} The actual worst designed champ ever, and is impossible to balance. First reply said it already but it bears repeating.
: Fnatic Skin to Tristana??
Anyone can be the best ADC in the world. No one even wants to be the worst Kench NA besides me. Where's my skin?
: Story behind your league names?
I am the worst Kench NA. Anyone that wishes to challenge that position can meet me in a 1v1, whoever dies first wins. No one has defeated me in this manner yet though, so I'm still the worst.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxy7zxRM,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T17:19:04.895+0000) > > If Janna or Lulu wouldn't cockblock you, then Malphite would. Or Nunu, or Alistar, or Galio, or Braum etc. > > What makes Braum point and clicking their ADC any different than Nami doing it? Nami's range on W is like 725. It hurts enemies and heals allies at the same time. It can't be dodged and the most you can do is get out of bouncing range so it doesn't do all it needs to do. Braum just gives someone resistances for a bit.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxy7zxRM,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T17:48:08.974+0000) > > Nami's range on W is like 725. It hurts enemies and heals allies at the same time. It can't be dodged and the most you can do is get out of bouncing range so it doesn't do all it needs to do. > > Braum just gives someone resistances for a bit. Giving someone resistances is still cockblocking though, isn't it? That's my point. I'd actually agree with you that Nami's W damage is pretty ridiculous and I've gotten plenty of kills with it before, but jumping to someone, giving them resistances and throwing up an E afterwards is still just as much a cockblock as many enchanter abilities are (Braum in particular is pretty much just a cockblock champ as all of his abilities make it harder to damage/get to his ADC.) Alistar's the same way, he's designed to keep you away from his ADC through either stunning you, knocking you away or knocking you up. Kench can eat his teammates and can stun+eat you to also keep you away from his team. Galio's got a couple options when it comes to squishy protection and cockblocking too. Shen's the same way but he and Galio aren't really main supports so I don't mention them as prominently It's what supports are supposed to do. If someone said that all supports are complete aberrations and shouldn't exist, I'd understand (but still disagree) with that viewpoint more than just "Enchanters are gross and I hate their core gameplay and class ideology but Braum, Alistar and Kench are fine."
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: playing vs zoe is much better than playing vs any enchanter (especially janna and lulu), i'd gladly be oneshot from two screens if it means i can kill her sometime else and not be cockblocked by a skillful r button from janna. Enchanter just make you unable to kill anyone while making their adc pets damage even more ridiculous
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxy7zxRM,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-03-05T15:45:04.635+0000) > > playing vs zoe is much better than playing vs any enchanter (especially janna and lulu), i'd gladly be oneshot from two screens if it means i can kill her sometime else and not be cockblocked by a skillful r button from janna. Enchanter just make you unable to kill anyone while making their adc pets damage even more ridiculous If Janna or Lulu wouldn't cockblock you, then Malphite would. Or Nunu, or Alistar, or Galio, or Braum etc. What makes Braum point and clicking their ADC any different than Nami doing it?
: It depends on how you define enchanter. The Taric rework pushed him into more of the archetype of an enchanter. Rakan offers 3 of the things you listed an enchanter having, heck so does Bard. We haven't had a traditional enchanter since Nami, because Riot realiseses how anti fun enchanters make the game. Players disliked the tank meta, but almost everyone unanimously agrees that the ardent meta was the most unenjoyable meta League's ever seen. Mostly because they lack any sort of real counterplay when they're strong, whilst simultaneously shutting down entire enemy team comps and making their adc double the value of a normal champion.
> [{quoted}](name=Toþykachu,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sxy7zxRM,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-05T15:22:19.227+0000) > > It depends on how you define enchanter. The Taric rework pushed him into more of the archetype of an enchanter. Rakan offers 3 of the things you listed an enchanter having, heck so does Bard. We haven't had a traditional enchanter since Nami, because Riot realiseses how anti fun enchanters make the game. Players disliked the tank meta, but almost everyone unanimously agrees that the ardent meta was the most unenjoyable meta League's ever seen. Mostly because they lack any sort of real counterplay when they're strong, whilst simultaneously shutting down entire enemy team comps and making their adc double the value of a normal champion. They've been releasing a whole slew of anti-fun champs for a while now though. {{champion:142}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:84}} I find dying in one hit from across the map far more toxic than an enemy laner getting some shields and HP.
: Its hard to remember that there are more than 100 champions in this game
: In your opinion, what are the unhealthiest champs, mechanics, strategies in the game?
{{champion:142}} Absolutely disgusting champ that will only ever be either complete garbage (with heavy nerfs) or meta-warping busted OP (when viable) It's hilariously sad that a champ that steals ults from other champions and therefore can theoretically effect them due to how he synergizes with them {{champion:517}} is still not designed as terribly as {{champion:142}} is. Like, what was the thought process behind developing her? "Oh, everyone loves {{champion:7}} right? They love her. Let's make a version of her that is 10x more annoying and can do things that champions have no business even doing because it sounds cool in theory." It should go without saying but I have issues with how CertainlyT designs champs and how they, for the most part, take the concept of 'fun for me but not for them' to the extreme. edit: I've noticed with a lot of new champions that they've got a 'cool new thing' that they can do. {{champion:84}} is probably the best example of this. She's got true stealth, oh boy! Riot ends up supporting these mechanics to the end of the earth, nerfing everything else about them because surely it's her damage, right? That's the bad part. It's not that she can just exist under enemy turrets and not die, surely not. Then when they buckle to pressure and finally delete the mechanic that makes them disgusting to play against, they're left in an absolute wreck of a state and probably won't be fixed for a long while. Don't think this really fits under mechanics or strategies, but it's something that I notice and is rather poor design.
: Because no human would have enough Stamina to romance a Krogan and leave alive
> [{quoted}](name=Hovering Hentai,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BVrcRzvl,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-04T17:12:09.146+0000) > > Because no human would have enough Stamina to romance a Krogan and leave alive If there's one thing I learned from watching Futurama, it's that a broken pelvis can be worth it sometimes.
Jikker (NA)
: Not to spoil too much, but Wrex.....has reasons why he is not looking for romance and wouldn't romance you. I don't romance in ME1 anyways. ME2 gives many more options and much better options imo. Plus you don't have to break up with someone that way unless you intend to take one of those three all the way through the games. Just definitely 100% max charm/intimidate first and make plenty of saves. Trust me -- that is the rule of thumb for Mass Effect unless you really don't care what happens and don't care about your team (which is really hard to do tbh)
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BVrcRzvl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-04T16:06:56.117+0000) > > Not to spoil too much, but Wrex.....has reasons why he is not looking for romance and wouldn't romance you. I don't romance in ME1 anyways. ME2 gives many more options and much better options imo. Plus you don't have to break up with someone that way unless you intend to take one of those three all the way through the games. > > Just definitely 100% max charm/intimidate first and make plenty of saves. Trust me -- that is the rule of thumb for Mass Effect unless you really don't care what happens and don't care about your team (which is really hard to do tbh) Ahh, okay, I think I get what you mean. I haven't gotten that far yet. Just trying to get used to the combat has me making plenty of saves already so I won't have a problem with that :P
Jaspers (EUW)
: Play DA:I, you can have some lovely times with The Iron Bull instead.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BVrcRzvl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T15:54:08.448+0000) > > Play DA:I, you can have some lovely times with The Iron Bull instead. I don't know what he looks like but the name sounds like he's overcompensating. Then again... Wrex is named Wrex. I'll see if he's worth it. > [{quoted}](name=Hypochondria9,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=BVrcRzvl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-04T15:57:04.729+0000) > > If you like Wrex make sure you talk to him enough to get the family armour quest or level up charm or intimidate. I'll probably end up doing that anyways, but I read on the wiki that the only people you can romance are Kaidan, Ashley and Liara which... ehh... Maybe I'll just wait for 2 where I can get with Tali because good lord those thighs. Still a shame that I can't do anything romantic with Wrex though.
Rioter Comments
Nataiop (NA)
: why am i so bad should i just quit leauge
Take a break for a day or so and come back. Trust me, that whole Riot wanting to keep everyone at a 50% WR thing is real. Eventually you'll come across a team so mind-numbingly bad that it'll erase all the negative sentiment you had before. ...unless you're like me and value consistency, in which case you'll get tilted at the fact that the enemy team is so bad.
: everyone stop claiming you are d1
It's more exciting when iron players trash gold players than when gold players trash high diamonds.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bmXq2FKM,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-03-02T20:08:13.771+0000) > > big booty nasus > > Since he's always the bottom. Seriously though... I'm not wrong. Sounds like Nasus is looking to become Susan. Wink wink.
> [{quoted}](name=DrPukeBrain,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bmXq2FKM,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-03-03T23:00:23.809+0000) > > Sounds like Nasus is looking to become Susan. Wink wink. Star Guardian Nasus. Just imagine him in thigh highs just low enough to show how T H I C C he can really be. I unironically want this skin now.
: @Reav3 Next Champ to receive a Splash Art Update
{{champion:26}} With Sinful Succulence getting an update because Morgana VU, Groovy Zilean will be arguably one of the worst splashes in the game now. Pls gib happy hippy Zil :(
: Random Reminder that Scathlocke made Ascended Dongs a thing.
big booty nasus Since he's always the bottom. Seriously though... I'm not wrong.
Unagi2 (EUW)
: How to get S rank with Ziggs?
Play him support. Seriously, support Ziggs is slept on so hard. He obviously isn't built for support scaling but if you can aim and consistently do damage then it's no problem. I got him to rank 7 solely by playing him support.
: > [{quoted}](name=Worst Kench NA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ruV8ghyE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-02T05:23:42.584+0000) > > Am I intentionally inting if I run it down mid, but unintentionally inting if I die stupidly? > > It's just confusing terminology that people have latched on to because it always makes them right by using it. Feeding's a much better description of it. This is Inting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1Hhk6zuU&t=193s Literally every single death is intentionally feeding or at best intentionally not caring and feeding. Running to the middle of the standard invade route and afking to play with your cat. Followed by again doing the same thing running to lane. Followed by an entire game of just no longer caring and thus deliberately making choices he knows are idiotic and will 100% lead to death given how badly his not caring had already fucked the game state. There isn't a single death in that entire game by Hash that isn't literal intentionally feeding. If you don't care enough to even attempt to play the game then you don't need to queue up. If you'd rather play with your cat then don't queue up. If you want to tp on top of hella fed enemies then don't queue up. Etc, etc, etc. It is simply not acceptable to do that to your teammates. Not caring about playing the game ruins games for everyone else. If you're Iron 4 and it's your second day playing league then you might not know that you're intentionally making choices to feed the enemy team, but outside of being literally brand new to the game those actions are unacceptable.
> [{quoted}](name=oOBestEveNAOo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ruV8ghyE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-02T06:51:58.138+0000) > > This is Inting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1Hhk6zuU&t=193s > > Literally every single death is intentionally feeding or at best intentionally not caring and feeding. Running to the middle of the standard invade route and afking to play with your cat. Followed by again doing the same thing running to lane. Followed by an entire game of just no longer caring and thus deliberately making choices he knows are idiotic and will 100% lead to death given how badly his not caring had already fucked the game state. > > There isn't a single death in that entire game by Hash that isn't literal intentionally feeding. If you don't care enough to even attempt to play the game then you don't need to queue up. If you'd rather play with your cat then don't queue up. If you want tp on top of hella fed enemies then don't queue up. Etc, etc, etc. It is simply not acceptable to do that to your teammates. Not caring about playing the game ruins games for everyone else. > > If you're Iron 4 and it's your second day playing league then you might not know that you're intentionally making choices to feed the enemy team, but outside of being literally brand new to the game those actions are unacceptable. Well yeah, if you allow the enemy to kill you in such a way that you're not even attempting to stop them from doing so, that would be intentionally feeding. Someone not understanding how lane mechanics work and is dying over and over again (which I've seen on numerous occasions called inting) isn't inting though. They're bad at the game and are feeding kills, but if they're pushing lane without knowing that they'll get ganked doing so, it's not inting, as someone that's bad at the game won't understand that keeping lanes shoved will cause them to be ganked. People are so trigger happy to call absolutely everything inting these days it seems, which is why I take the word less seriously. Unless someone is actually running down mid, teleporting right in to fed enemies, etc. then I don't see it as inting.
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