: irelia = master yi
Didn't they take her disarm away?
: I wanted to try the new Malphite in blind pick....
its because the scaling for armor is shit and dmg is too high....did you know you get more then half your potential reduction at just 100 armor?, after i learned this i understand why adc's are so fucking hard to kill in this meta
: For such an oppressive lane bully, its interesting that Renekton maintains a 50% WR in long games
Kazekiba (NA)
: {{item:3076}} {{item:3068}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:240}} Or any of the other 23 champions that counter Tryndamere because literally everyone does.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazekiba,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2rVdI17,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-19T05:03:56.803+0000) > > {{item:3076}} {{item:3068}} {{champion:223}} > > {{champion:240}} > > Or any of the other 23 champions that counter Tryndamere because literally everyone does. except they don't since once he hits 6 he just roflstomps the lane anyways since he will usually be ahead due to his ridiculous level 1 quad crit bullshit
: trynd isnt even the most cancer top laner rn
> [{quoted}](name=ZeroAgainst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G2rVdI17,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-19T04:34:26.288+0000) > > trynd isnt even the most cancer top laner rn true, but he's frustrating as hell to play against, crits early, at 6 he has undying. and mid to late he just splits and runs away endlessly, if you don't send enough, he just kills ppl, he's one of those champs you can basically sum down to a flow chart on what he's gonna do
Rioter Comments
Yenn (NA)
: Can Udyr get some changes so he doesn't win or lose at champion select?
or you know, we can stop giving champs so much mobility and start a mobility purge....just a thought
EATARI (NA)
: True, although it still hurts a little after being trained to never lose CS.
> [{quoted}](name=EATARI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1E0HhfEM,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T00:24:13.834+0000) > > True, although it still hurts a little after being trained to never lose CS. true
EATARI (NA)
: My only issue with Zoe support is that she can’t get W shards from minions without taking CS.
> [{quoted}](name=EATARI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1E0HhfEM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-19T00:14:46.943+0000) > > My only issue with Zoe support is that she can’t get W shards from minions without taking CS. taking 1 cs once in a while isn't a big issue
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=42zrAVEH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-18T23:53:43.515+0000) > > lucky, haven't gotten gemstone in over 2 years i think now I've gotten 2 ever since I started playing, and the first one I got I didn't know what it was so I got chest and key instead of saving.
> [{quoted}](name=PimpStickNasus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=42zrAVEH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-18T23:59:18.909+0000) > > I've gotten 2 ever since I started playing, and the first one I got I didn't know what it was so I got chest and key instead of saving. yeah, but i buy a set of 10 chests once a month, and have yet to get a gemstone from them
: Troll picks don't work. They're not fun, they simply ruin the game for your team. Stop doing it.
learn to play around said pick....while some supports may seem unconventional a lot of these "troll picks" can actually work fairly well, now im not saying do something stupid like nasus support... but to be honest, i think your just being unfair here, a lot of these people get forced into support and literally don't own support champs, and playing meta is the opposite of fun tbh, your basically just being a sheep and playing follow the leader
: I have 9 gemstones, bought 15 orbs
lucky, haven't gotten gemstone in over 2 years i think now
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nFdYzTB1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-18T04:35:48.797+0000) > > AA enhancements don't count towards procing electrocute, and this is really no exception...should rengars Q count twice towards procing electrocute? it is essentially the same concept Only difference is rengars just adds physical damage ontop of physical instead of magical ontop of physical
> [{quoted}](name=A Sutpid Idot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nFdYzTB1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T04:37:50.507+0000) > > Only difference is rengars just adds physical damage ontop of physical instead of magical ontop of physical true, but it's still the same concept, as it's enhancing a basic attack, the same way lux's passive enhances her next basic attack
: Lux + Electrocute
AA enhancements don't count towards procing electrocute, and this is really no exception...should rengars Q count twice towards procing electrocute? it is essentially the same concept
: Rengar Top
grasp is typically better, top lane rengar wants health and ad typically
: Revert the death recap ya failed. Its all good
but i love being killed by teemos death lotus....even though teemo wasn't in my game
: You know, even in Katarina's hayday I never found assassins who just nuke squishies to be all that toxic. modern assassins get stuck in the middle of teams and have to kite around praying for a kill. Meanwhile tanks (juggernauts) are releasing similar amounts of damage but they get the added bonus of not dying
> [{quoted}](name=Mandingo Love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Jq7EOvo,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-07-17T22:32:05.756+0000) > > You know, even in Katarina's hayday I never found assassins who just nuke squishies to be all that toxic. modern assassins get stuck in the middle of teams and have to kite around praying for a kill. Meanwhile tanks (juggernauts) are releasing similar amounts of damage but they get the added bonus of not dying most assassins even in their hayday had at least some counterplay, with diana, you walk near a bush and then your screen is grey, as for juggernauts, they can do lots of dmg, but need to ramp up in a fight, plus their immobile and as such more vulnerable to CC
DucksLord (EUNE)
: Xerath bugz out while using Q
azir had this issue in the past
: excuse me, what?
> [{quoted}](name=thefatlazycat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ocPzVZbp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-17T20:10:48.202+0000) > > excuse me, what? it's exactly as it sounds, according to recap, teemo joined our game, killed me with death lotus even though he wasn't any of the 10 champs picked for that game
Rioter Comments
: Looks like League itself needs a rework right now.
and yet ppl just call me r%%%%%ed whenever i say riot doesn't know what their doing anymore
: Rito deciding to nerf Diana harder than before her Buff
diana is an extremely toxic champion, she embodies what they originally tried to remove with the assassin rework, she was basically a better version of rengar that lacked rengars early game, until she offically gets reworked, she will never be allowed to be meta simply because her whole kit lacks counterplay and with even the smallest of leads, she can snowball into monstrous proportions, literally removing the 12/0 tristana from the game entirely, which while i don't mind an adc being put in there place, a large majority of the community will complain
Rioter Comments
: at least a single dash doesnt render rumbles entire kid useless unlike aniv
> [{quoted}](name=ÈvilMorty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BG4GLrj9,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T06:36:19.153+0000) > > at least a single dash doesnt render rumbles entire kid useless unlike aniv actually it kinda does...
: then it would be nerffed dmg wise
> [{quoted}](name=ÈvilMorty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BG4GLrj9,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T05:57:37.337+0000) > > then it would be nerffed dmg wise is basically useless rn...everyone has a way to get out of it
: agreed imagine if aniv ult grounded
> [{quoted}](name=ÈvilMorty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BG4GLrj9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-17T05:12:53.525+0000) > > agreed imagine if aniv ult grounded that might be a little much....but imagine if rumble ult grouded?
: Anti mobility
what we need is more champs that can apply the grounded status
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JH4eYWrf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-17T03:54:53.650+0000) > > riot doesn't like alternative game modes, why do you think dominion was removed? this isn't an alternative gamemode, it's just adding more features to aram
> [{quoted}](name=ALumpyLion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JH4eYWrf,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T03:55:57.019+0000) > > this isn't an alternative gamemode, I'm just adding more features to aram still means they need to balance around something that isn't summoner's rift, so don't get your hopes up
: Alternative win conditions for ARAM!
riot doesn't like alternative game modes, why do you think dominion was removed?
: That's because skins have different tiers to indicate their value. Giving every skin a new VO would make them more expensive to compensate for the time/money/resources used to make them.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=z5QmzylR,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T03:29:31.556+0000) > > That's because skins have different tiers to indicate their value. Giving every skin a new VO would make them more expensive to compensate for the time/money/resources used to make them. wouldn't have to be every new skins, but ones that change their identity, plus voice work is actually the easiest part of the process, the only reason problems will ensue is the amount of languages the game is in
: Not really. They have to get the base VO back, and if they can't, they have to find someone else to do it. Then they record the lines, which can take several hours and sometimes ends up blowing out the VA's voice. Then they have to edit the lines, add effects, ect. It takes up more time/resources than you think it does.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=z5QmzylR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-17T02:02:39.256+0000) > > Not really. They have to get the base VO back, and if they can't, they have to find someone else to do it. Then they record the lines, which can take several hours and sometimes ends up blowing out the VA's voice. Then they have to edit the lines, add effects, ect. > > It takes up more time/resources than you think it does. yeah, but their expecting you to give money for said service that isn't even yours, they can just take it away whenever that want, the amount of honest effort their putting into skins is kinda shit, esp when 1 skin costs $12 where i live
: The Sadness of a single Legendary Skin.
yeah, they could easily give skins new v/o as voicing lines is rather cheap and easily done, but they don't because it would be too much of an inconvenience for them
CD8 (NA)
: Can we have chromas for Project Irelia instead?
prestige is one of the worst sales gimmicks riot has put out to date...a way to get people to buy the fucking skin twice basically
TimeToTroll (EUNE)
: I had a bit difficulty understanding your points, because it seemed as if you contradicted your own opinion several times, Jamaree seems to feel that too. This probably doesn't sound genuine coming from a Riven main, but I just thought I would allow a Riven main's opinion to be explored as well. My peak rank was diamond 2, so you don't have to worry about, (can we trust that he can speak op for riven mains?) In my experience, when I attempt to trade with somebody level 1, I'm likely to take slightly less if not equal damage to them, so trading isn't as unfair as you make it sound, she will deal just about 50% of your health and be close if not 50% from the same trade. Tell you what mate, if Riven was at 100 on a scale and some other champion was 99 then 98 and so on, take 50 away from riven and whoever was 99 will be at the top of the scale now, there will always be THE strongest trading champion, and I would argue that isn't Riven right now. You mentioned being tower dived at level 4, a Riven won't be able to take more than 4 shots from turret in maximum, getting away with tower diving level 4 requires not only for the dived one to not do anything, but also have severely low health, and in those circumstances any champion can be tower dived. 1 of your problems was that Riven zoned you early, what's wrong with that? When I play Riven I have to endure the same with Jayce, Vlad, Kennen, Gnar and some melee level 1, you do know Darius is stronger level 1, right? Camille too. I sacrifice a bit of my health to get the 3 melee minions and then I don't receive any gold until the third wave is down. There was 1 thing you said that bothered me though, and that's level advantage, nobody can zone you so hard you aren't in minion range, otherwise just fight them, a situation described as such will mean that that person will be taking tremendous minion damage and you won't. Riven already received a huge nerf on her E by 4 seconds, more nerfs and I'll be forced to switch main. I get what you are saying, and if there is a justified way to nerf Riven, so be it, but I just can't sympathize with your arguments, they sound more like a personal grudge and highly stretched from the truth.
> [{quoted}](name=TimeToTroll,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-16T05:51:32.947+0000) > > I had a bit difficulty understanding your points, because it seemed as if you contradicted your own opinion several times, Jamaree seems to feel that too. > > This probably doesn't sound genuine coming from a Riven main, but I just thought I would allow a Riven main's opinion to be explored as well. My peak rank was diamond 2, so you don't have to worry about, (can we trust that he can speak op for riven mains?) > > In my experience, when I attempt to trade with somebody level 1, I'm likely to take slightly less if not equal damage to them, so trading isn't as unfair as you make it sound, she will deal just about 50% of your health and be close if not 50% from the same trade. Tell you what mate, if Riven was at 100 on a scale and some other champion was 99 then 98 and so on, take 50 away from riven and whoever was 99 will be at the top of the scale now, there will always be THE strongest trading champion, and I would argue that isn't Riven right now. > > You mentioned being tower dived at level 4, a Riven won't be able to take more than 4 shots from turret in maximum, getting away with tower diving level 4 requires not only for the dived one to not do anything, but also have severely low health, and in those circumstances any champion can be tower dived. > > 1 of your problems was that Riven zoned you early, what's wrong with that? When I play Riven I have to endure the same with Jayce, Vlad, Kennen, Gnar and some melee level 1, you do know Darius is stronger level 1, right? I sacrifice a bit of my health to get the 3 melee minions and then I don't receive any gold until the third wave is down. There was 1 thing you said that bothered me though, and that's level advantage, nobody can zone you so hard you aren't in minion range, otherwise just fight them, a situation described as such will mean that that person will be taking tremendous minion damage and you won't. > > Riven already received a huge nerf on her E by 4 seconds, more nerfs and I'll be forced to switch main. I get what you are saying, and if there is a justified way to nerf Riven, so be it, but I just can't sympathize with your arguments, they sound more like a personal grudge and highly stretched from the truth. but yet they buffed at the same time, because they cant seem to understand the champ was too strong...and she very much can 100-0 level 1, if i still had the match i would play it for you, but i went to farm a single minion, Q AA Q Electrocute AA Q AA forces me to flash, flashes on top of me AA ignite, then spam mastery emote, i did live, with like 5 hp...had i take any dmg from anywhere then it would have been a kill... i have in no way a grudge against riven, my grudge is against fiora, but buffing her dmg was not what they should have done, they should have nerfed her E, then buffed if it felt like it was too much, like the only thing that truly pisses me off outside of her absurd early game dmg, is the fact she can animation cancel to get things off faster, i would rather that be removed and then she be buffed appropriately to compensate, as then you won't have riven pulling off her full dmg in such a short window
: I thought riven was insanely busted myself, till i played the champ and understood the amount of skill people like boxbox and adrian possess and the ridiculous amount of hours they put into the champ. Its not the hardest champ in the game for no reason and she is pretty punishing to players who are bad at her.
> [{quoted}](name=DevilsRath,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T05:22:28.070+0000) > > I thought riven was insanely busted myself, till i played the champ and understood the amount of skill people like boxbox and adrian possess and the ridiculous amount of hours they put into the champ. Its not the hardest champ in the game for no reason and she is pretty punishing to players who are bad at her. problem is, skill shouldn't = stronger numbers, that is just bad design, more utility and outplay potential fine...but not numbers
: conqueror is so disgustingly unhealthy still it really needs an actual rework or something
remove the true dmg component, buff the adaptive dmg or healing and boom it's healthy then
Rioter Comments
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T03:40:53.495+0000) > > They really aren't while...look at qiyana...her win rate is total garbage right now at all elos, but wehn a run into a good one...thats it games over, no one can stay alive So if we can’t use win rates, how is a system based off conjecture a good basis on what is strong or not? What if I say I think Ryze is too strong, or Gnar? What makes my post any more or less valid. > I have played them, and she can still easily win vs them right now due to her absurd dmg, she just doesn't rofl stomp them as hard as she does against say mordekaiser or aatrox due to the cheese in their kits > > I'm not fucking trying to, but her level 1 is just too strong, she is fucking just outright zoning me from farm completely causing me to still be level 1 when she's hitting level 4 since she does so much dmg due to her 3 empowered AA's and triple use ability at level one, then once the wave is finally at my tower so i can farm...i finally hit level 2...but oh wait riven just dived me and got a kill due to her massive level advantage so now im just trolling at this point as my team sees it since she is level 6 while im level 2, meanwhile the jungler will gank and feed her 2 or 3 times, and flames me for not engaging on a level 9 riven when im level 4, this is the problem with her right now, a good riven puts anyone to shame...on top of this she just dived me again, got another kill, and hits level 11 before i can even hit 6, on top of getting another 1000+ gold from said tower...meaning this riven is roughly 5000+ gold up and i can't do anything because of how strong her level 1 zoning was, then by 20 minutes she 1v5's the team, team flames me and tells them to 9x report, riven says that she will make sure to report me for trolling and then proceeds to be a dick to me for losing so hard meanwhile when the game ends, im level 7 or 8, the rest of my team is around 11 - 13, and riven is level 18, so i look like a troll, this is how it goes with a good riven, just because a champ falls off, doesn't mean they deserve to be this unfairly balanced early game Riven is good in the right hands, but if you don’t let her free harass you early, a Riven isn’t going to 100 to zero you under tower at level 3, that doesn’t happen.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T04:14:59.405+0000) > > So if we can’t use win rates, how is a system based off conjecture a good basis on what is strong or not? > > What if I say I think Ryze is too strong, or Gnar? What makes my post any more or less valid. > > Riven is good in the right hands, but if you don’t let her free harass you early, a Riven isn’t going to 100 to zero you under tower at level 3, that doesn’t happen. ryze/gnar can't 1 shot you at level 1 YES SHE CAN, I LITERALLY HAD IT HAPPEN TO ME, i even flashed, which she simply followed up with a flash, and the worst part about it? she got out alive still, and it's not so much as free harass as it is she goes straight ham to force you out of the lane, since level 1 with ignite she has so much kill potential its stupid
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T01:20:15.352+0000) > > point is win rates are not a very good justification of a champs power I think they are a better basis for a champion’s power then conjecture as they aren’t anywhere near as bias as people are on here, but ok. > she has a high skill ceiling yes, but with how high her numbers are her skill floor is severely reduced > > Nerfed enough so that she can't just rofl stomp melee champs that aren't garen/renekton/jax at level 1, So make her worst at the time when she is supposed to be strongest while still also losing to the champions you mentioned, side note, why wouldn’t you learn and play those champions then who all have far lower skill floors? >i understand she is supposed to be a lane bully, but even darius needs a bit of time before he truly becomes a threat in lane, riven just starts out with uber dmg at level 1, the only champs that tend to beat her are ones with cheesy ways of avoiding her early dmg (garen Q stops her Q combo, Renekton W stops her Q combo, jax E avoids her aa's) i would honestly suggest a minor rework to riven due to her honestly flawed kit design as she currently just has too much dmg early but falls off like a rock without gold...but it's not entirely her fault either, it's partially caused by core problems with league right now Then don’t fight her level one? Why is that not an option, if you know her early game is just better then yours, why is not fighting her level one a choice and why shouldn’t we rework all lane bullies who have that problem then?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T02:53:01.787+0000) > > I think they are a better basis for a champion’s power then conjecture as they aren’t anywhere near as bias as people are on here, but ok. > > So make her worst at the time when she is supposed to be strongest while still also losing to the champions you mentioned, side note, why wouldn’t you learn and play those champions then who all have far lower skill floors? > > Then don’t fight her level one? Why is that not an option, if you know her early game is just better then yours, why is not fighting her level one a choice and why shouldn’t we rework all lane bullies who have that problem then? They really aren't while...look at qiyana...her win rate is total garbage right now at all elos, but wehn a run into a good one...thats it games over, no one can stay alive I have played them, and she can still easily win vs them right now due to her absurd dmg, she just doesn't rofl stomp them as hard as she does against say mordekaiser or aatrox due to the cheese in their kits I'm not fucking trying to, but her level 1 is just too strong, she is fucking just outright zoning me from farm completely causing me to still be level 1 when she's hitting level 4 since she does so much dmg due to her 3 empowered AA's and triple use ability at level one, then once the wave is finally at my tower so i can farm...i finally hit level 2...but oh wait riven just dived me and got a kill due to her massive level advantage so now im just trolling at this point as my team sees it since she is level 6 while im level 2, meanwhile the jungler will gank and feed her 2 or 3 times, and flames me for not engaging on a level 9 riven when im level 4, this is the problem with her right now, a good riven puts anyone to shame...on top of this she just dived me again, got another kill, and hits level 11 before i can even hit 6, on top of getting another 1000+ gold from said tower...meaning this riven is roughly 5000+ gold up and i can't do anything because of how strong her level 1 zoning was, then by 20 minutes she 1v5's the team, team flames me and tells them to 9x report, riven says that she will make sure to report me for trolling and then proceeds to be a dick to me for losing so hard meanwhile when the game ends, im level 7 or 8, the rest of my team is around 11 - 13, and riven is level 18, so i look like a troll, this is how it goes with a good riven, just because a champ falls off, doesn't mean they deserve to be this unfairly balanced early game
Rioter Comments
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:56:12.504+0000) > > win rate doesn't mean anything on a champs performance, look at sylas, he is legitmately op rn, being a melee mage capable of outdueling darius and other powerful combatants and his winrate is what...45%? Someone has to be the best at it, if not him, would be another also lower then that, try 40 to 44% actually. >riven is super easy to snowball/win lane with, but as the game progresses you start to actually need the skill to use her properly, plus she needs to know how to use this advantage to close out the game before she loses her lead due to her falling off since everyone and their mother has hard CC now a days, So she is a high skill champion then? >this is where she falls flat in lower elo, players in low elo suck at closing out games, this is her problem, pantheon is similar in this case, as in iron bronze and silver, his winrate is rather low, but once you hit gold, it's 50% (most bursty melee champs fall of late game due to the sheer amount of CC in this game now a days) Ok so what then, I’m more so confused on what is being said here, by your own admission unless I’m mistaken, you admitted that she was a high skill champion who is able to only really shine with players who understand how to use her kit to the fullest and are good at the game. So she should get nerfed to what point?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T01:03:59.904+0000) > > Someone has to be the best at it, if not him, would be another also lower then that, try 40 to 44% actually. > > So she is a high skill champion then? > > Ok so what then, I’m more so confused on what is being said here, by your own admission unless I’m mistaken, you admitted that she was a high skill champion who is able to only really shine with players who understand how to use her kit to the fullest and are good at the game. So she should get nerfed to what point? point is win rates are not a very good justification of a champs power she has a high skill ceiling yes, but with how high her numbers are her skill floor is severely reduced Nerfed enough so that she can't just rofl stomp melee champs that aren't garen/renekton/jax at level 1, i understand she is supposed to be a lane bully, but even darius needs a bit of time before he truly becomes a threat in lane, riven just starts out with uber dmg at level 1, the only champs that tend to beat her are ones with cheesy ways of avoiding her early dmg (garen Q stops her Q combo, Renekton W stops her Q combo, jax E avoids her aa's) i would honestly suggest a minor rework to riven due to her honestly flawed kit design as she currently just has too much dmg early but falls off like a rock without gold...but it's not entirely her fault either, it's partially caused by core problems with league right now
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:24:25.490+0000) > > okay, but riven is also a snowball champ, meaning she needs to know how to use the snowball or she's useless, which ppl don't understand in lower elo Ok, so the problem is that she is too easy to snowball with then is what you are saying, how is that any different then any other snowball champion especially ones with easier kits at that? Edit: what kind of win rate and stat line should these champions have then?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:35:20.919+0000) > > Ok, so the problem is that she is too easy to snowball with then is what you are saying, how is that any different then any other snowball champion especially ones with easier kits at that? > > Edit: what kind of win rate and stat line should these champions have then? win rate doesn't mean anything on a champs performance, look at sylas, he is legitmately op rn, being a melee mage capable of outdueling darius and other powerful combatants and his winrate is what...45%? riven is super easy to snowball/win lane with, but as the game progresses you start to actually need the skill to use her properly, plus she needs to know how to use this advantage to close out the game before she loses her lead due to her falling off since everyone and their mother has hard CC now a days, this is where she falls flat in lower elo, players in low elo suck at closing out games, this is her problem, pantheon is similar in this case, as in iron bronze and silver, his winrate is rather low, but once you hit gold, it's 50% (most bursty melee champs fall of late game due to the sheer amount of CC in this game now a days)
LeoiJw (NA)
: Is League really so dead that I can't even get matched with different people?
just bad luck....the game struggles to find good match ups for 4 mans and they most likely were a 4 man
Yenn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:10:00.239+0000) > > Akali has always been a disgusting champion > > She did this pre rework, and she does it after the rework > > The entire champ needs to be thrown out, she'll never be balanced This isn't an Akali problem, the same applies to virtually any mid champion getting that many kills early. The root of the issue is that one player should not be able to completely sabotage a lane like this, that early into the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:11:22.852+0000) > > This isn't an Akali problem, the same applies to virtually any mid champion getting that many kills early. The root of the issue is that one player should not be able to completely sabotage a lane like this, that early into the game. actually this very much is an akali problem, this is the very reason why her shroud is getting changed, unless your playing someone with very strong AoE you can't kill her in shroud rn
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Xavanic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-15T23:21:09.816+0000) > > she just rofl stomps ppl while being played by people with just a basic understanding of her kit, since she just outright does too much dmg early game That is again clearly not true as the numbers show that.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:01:11.450+0000) > > That is again clearly not true as the numbers show that. okay, but riven is also a snowball champ, meaning she needs to know how to use the snowball or she's useless, which ppl don't understand in lower elo
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Jamaree (NA)
: Not sure about the others but Riven’s numbers perfectly showcase the high skill floor thing. Her win rate is well below average at low elos as people don’t understand her because she is a mechanically skilled champion and the higher you go up, the higher her win rate goes up at well, isn’t that how its supposed to be.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F4ztpt1j,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-15T23:19:44.680+0000) > > Not sure about the others but Riven’s numbers perfectly showcase the high skill floor thing. Her win rate is well below average at low elos as people don’t understand her because she is a mechanically skilled champion and the higher you go up, the higher her win rate goes up at well, isn’t that how its supposed to be. she just rofl stomps ppl while being played by people with just a basic understanding of her kit, since she just outright does too much dmg early game
: It feels like an huge number high skill floor champions right now are way overtuned...
the problem is riot severely overtunes the numbers of high skill champs for some reason...which is honestly just bad design...i can understand giving riven a bit of a dmg edge over say...diana....but right now its ludicrous....riven is doing 500 dmg level 1 with a single combo..which she can pull off within 2 seconds because of her animation cancelling, she does have counters, but as of right now...riot needs to be a little less generous in terms of numbers on high skill champs
Infernape (EUW)
: He has a ton of HP, making him especially vulnerable to %HP damage. He has HP but doesn't build resistances to back it up.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1WblOHru,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-15T20:47:19.594+0000) > > He has a ton of HP, making him especially vulnerable to %HP damage. He has HP but doesn't build resistances to back it up. Zhonyas + Banshee's, its not a ton of resistance, but its still enough to block out a lot of dmg
Juxin (NA)
: His weakness is short range.
> [{quoted}](name=Juxin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1WblOHru,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-15T19:37:44.245+0000) > > His weakness is short range. yeah, but when he's got bruiser level survivability anyways, why does he care that he has to be closer?
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