Rioter Comments
Macilento (EUW)
: You should NOT be allowed to use a champion for the first times in ranked
> [{quoted}](name=Macilento,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FmGnMoUG,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-03-02T00:23:47.718+0000) > > I know many like me have a little bit of common sense and actually try the champion at least few times in normals before going ranked. > > But how many times this has happened? People buy a champion and isntalock in ranked, thinking they are capable of using it, then feeding and basically condemning your team. > > Shouldn't be there a rules that say "Before using this champion in ranked matches, try it at least 5 times in normal games"? This man should be our president
: Losing motivation to continue with Ranked career
I far from being a great play and my highest achievement was gold 1 as a support main but here are some tips. 1. Help with warding and map awareness In lower rank players suffer from a bad case of tunnel vision and lack of warding. If you can help out with this it will greatly improve your odds of winning. I have seen many ap support players, play their champs as ap mid. therefore they had no gp5 or sighstone 2.Stick to play 3 lane very well and have at least 2 champs that you can play very well in those roles. the importance of this game is not to pick a yolo champ. stick to what you know how to play. you will never be ass good as the pros or the players on twitch. so cut that $hit out. Dont go for troll picks, just bc you saw someone do it and want to mimic him. Do that $hit in normals or AI 3.Learn how to build visit any website that you want that teaches you proper rune/mastery page. They learn how to adapt, in which i mean know when to buy what item. Depending upon who you are up against in lane or if the other team is dive heavy/tanky/cc heavy and such. 4.knowing when to roam there is nothing more painful then to watch your jungler or mid try to gank your lane when both you and your adc are low on mana. thats a guarantee death wish 5. dont over extend just bc you have won or are winning your lane dont do it. You will end up feeding
: To put it bluntly Dynamic Q is screwing over bronze players
Im Jax (NA)
: 9-1 placement record, placed BRONZE 5
Everyone knows from experience that once drops ONE complete rank from post season. It happens every year. SO if you ended with last season in bronze 2, its a non brainer that you would end in bronze 5. Previous season I was gold 1 went 9-1 in preliminaries and ended up in gold 5. That is how it works
Rioter Comments
: As far as normals go that's pretty balanced. I routinely see plats matched with and against bronze.
This is sad. I know I am not the best player the highest account I have is Gold 1 and I main support on all of them, but having a Bronze on anyone team is not fun for me. I play this game to improve and learn new champs or warm up before rank. But if I have bronze players on my team it kind of defeats the purpose. The reason i say this is due to the mind set of the majority of the bronze players. When i ping or type out something, they respond with: "dont tell me what to do". Then literally 30sec later he/she dies. Was this new system supposed to fix that. Supposed to allow me to play with players of my caliber. I dont want to play against Diamond 1 or master bc I know i will lose hard. SO why do I have to have bronze players in my games
: I think it has to due with premades. Riot tries to match the teams based on MMR. Your MMR could be low out of ranked, or that gold 2 could be matched with that bronze 5.
I currently have a 55% win ratio in rank as a gold 5. While AY2008 (he is not my duo) has a 52 % win ratio in rank. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ay2008 http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dubhai So it is definitely no based off of Rank MMR.
Rioter Comments
: There are actually quite a few pairs of items for which this could make sense, and where the line should be drawn is a bit confusing if you think about it. {{item:3074}} {{item:3748}} is the one we have now {{item:3033}} {{item:3036}} is a natural swap out too, but an even more reasonable pair would be {{item:3087}} {{item:3094}} which share build paths more closely than other pairs, and if hydras can be swaped with such dramatically different build paths then why not adjust some prices and stats to accomodate others like {{item:3025}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3100}} the sheen items? {{item:3060}} {{item:3190}} what about these two? {{item:3222}} {{item:3174}} ? i'm playing devil's advocate a bit here because i dont think that any of them should be swapable. I think building the correct item the first time is an expression of skill/game knowledge and is valuable. Being able to swap between them freely devalues that somewhat.
: A long detailed guide on how you can tell someone is boosted.
well done. there are so many of them in gold. i fell from gold 1 to gold 5 bc of this shit as well as duo trolls trying to elo boost their friends
: A lot of surgeons wear Crocs because they're on their feet all day and Crocs are (supposed to be) comfortable (also water-proof/easy to wash, for blood/urine/other bodily fluids. Surgery can be messy). They might wear booties over top, but they're also not sticking their feet in your body, so it's not a big deal Source: Spent a year interning in the operating room at my local hospital EDIT: I (and many others) have addressed this in subsequent comments, but because it keeps coming up; the Crocs worn in the OR typically do not contain holes. I suspect Riot modeled the Croc with holes because it is the most iconic Croc design, and they wanted the shoes to be recognizable moreso than 100% accurate.
This is correct, but the crocks that we wear are closed tipped. they do not contain little holes. from a medical student doing clinical rotation at a transplant clinic
: How the hell is this even a matchup?
: Permabanned for fighting with a real life friend.
When will these idiots learn that you dont get ban for the actions of one of your games but of the ongoing rage you emit in multiple games
Raoul (EUW)
: People are not even afraid to troll in this game..
Chincoil (NA)
: Chincoil Perma ban
> [{quoted}](name=Chincoil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pv4tEIAK,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-12-22T22:39:50.480+0000) > > I have been permanently banned on the league of legends account Chincoil. Can you please unban it because I have been really working hard on that account and played for many hours. I have been toxic, yes I know, but I will stop the toxicity if you let me out. I shall never harass a person ever again. If you see me get another report, then you can permanently ban me, but please unban me! I wish that riot staff will see this and I have spended hundreds of dollars on this game. >.< Please unban me!! SO you waste X-amount of dollars, raged in game to the point that you got permaban and barely reached Silver 5. SMH.
: Dear permabanned/suspended players, Toxic Attitude =/= KDA
The main issue with this game imo are trolls/feeders/afkers. I can understand ragers and they can be easily dealt with by muting them. But trolls, feeders and afkers just ruin the game. Players who typically rage do so bc they want to win and are frustrated with the current results. Its understandable. Thats the key point here. They want to win. While the 3 other basket cases want to see chaos and want to press other peoples buttons. Unfortunately, ragers are very vocal and express their current feels, making it easy for riot to punish them. While the other 3 have tons of escape goats, making it hard to track and punish. Remember trolls, feeders and afker dont have to behave that way in every game and can decide when its ok to act that way in their opinion. They will always use the excuse: "I had a bad day". This logic makes no sense to me. If your current opponent has an advantage over you, in either skill, cs, pressure or whatever the issue might be. Just play passively. Wait for the jungler to help you and cs near/under turret and plz dont over extend w/o wards. But time and time again you see players go 0/3/0 within 7-8min of the game. SOrry to say it but you trolled or feed. There is no excuse for this. I have notice that many player who give up first blood will stop giving any fucks and play recklessly and blame it on others. They dont need to type it out, you can see it in their game play mechanics. Unfortunately trolls feeders and afkers are less like to get ban and will continue to lose more game. Whats worse is that sometimes have a duo partner who might be very skilled and can carry them, but once they are on their own they cause havoc. I believe rito should punish these players more often then ragers, bc they at least have to passion to want to win and can be easily ignored by muting them.
Nahui (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=XxobscenexX,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=3LAP8opW,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-11-30T14:54:21.034+0000) > > But dont you realize this is what promotes toxic behavior. You have players in gold and plat who dont belong there. They were carried. These players are volatile, in which they are more likely to display negative conduct during a rank match such as: trolling, feeding, afking, refusing to cooperate or listen. Furthermore the game even more disgusting when promos are involved. Imagine having kaceytron in your promos for plat. I would go ape shit. Seeing her 1/8/2 at 15min with 15cs. Of course I would begin to rage. Then I am punished, instead of the obvious trolls/feeder. > > I have oscillated from gold 1-5 in all 3 of my accounts. Its becomes so difficult to maintain a positive outlook when you have such players in your game. It becomes even more difficult since I main support and have to focus on warding more heavily on our weakest link so that he/she stops dying so frequent. Worse with this new meta where making a comeback is nearly impossible. > > I have nothing against kaceytron. I get what she is doing. SHe definitely has thick skin, but plz, plz just stick to trolling in bronze. This is one of the few games where being a tryhard is seen as negative. Yes i will give it my best when playing rank. It is out of respect to you and myself that i do. I dont want to waste 30min-40min of your time or my time. Its call having some decency. I would rather have a rager, who is trying his hardest to win the a troll/feeder/noob who doesnt speak throughout the game and cost us the game. But its the rager who gets punished not the other Of course, it definitely is toxic however it is not bannable. I do hate people that get carried, because then they can't perform well on their own, but it's nothing that can be taken action against. If she doesnt belong in her new elo, then she will fall until she is where she belongs.
Unfortunately she has her duo partner. As everyone can see he is a very skilled player, who decides to remain in bronze for shits and giggle. Mainly bc he can literally just stomp the shit out of bronze and silver players. It wouldnt surprise me if he was aa diamond or challenger smurf. Hes able to carry her even when shes goes 1/8/2. Thats some crazy league skills. So She will remain gold. She might even become plat, if he decides to cont to carry her
Kazaashi (NA)
: Some one sounds like they will be attending Jelly School next year.
> [{quoted}](name=Kazaashi,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=3LAP8opW,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-11-30T23:32:18.930+0000) > > Some one sounds like they will be attending Jelly School next year. Your reply has zero logic. Like I said i own 3 accounts that are in gold already. Second, I understand her satire. Third is that her satire promotes negative behavior. 1. She promotes trolling 2. She promotes verbal aggression towards the community 3. She promotes getting carried She will continue doing so as long as people pay her. You are literally feeding the troll. It create a bad image for all gamers regardless of sex. Honestly I wish her the best, but i dont like/agree what she promotes. In my opiniom, her performance is fantastic. She collect money from players insult her. She entices rage. Best part are the white knight that stick up for her. She doesnt need people sticking up for her. Its an act. Its almost like improv or a cheap theater performance. None of the less its working. I applaud her for that. But I hate the trolling aspect. I hate all trolls, bc it ruins the game for everyone. Unfortunately many player like to mimic the lol players that they watch. Either it be by trying to perform complicated mechanics or flat out troll picks/builds. Just bc they saw someone on twitch do it. She has a broad audience. Unfortunately for the wrong reasons. You dont learn anything from her videos, except from improving ones trolls skills and new insult. SO by calling me jelly , you sir make no sense.
Nahui (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=XxobscenexX,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=3LAP8opW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-11-30T06:24:24.308+0000) > > What is more shocking is that riot is allowing this. It is clear that someone is elo boosting/carrying her. Its obvious that she is trolling. But i guess she has yet to be ban. So the message im getting from this is that. Showing tits on twitch allows you to get someone to carry u and you get paid to troll the LoL community. Well done rito keep promoting troll behavior You're perfectly allowed to duo with someone who is good and have them carry you. You are not allowed to give your account to someone and have them boost you like that.
> [{quoted}](name=Captain Rand0,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=3LAP8opW,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-11-30T06:49:31.312+0000) > > You're perfectly allowed to duo with someone who is good and have them carry you. You are not allowed to give your account to someone and have them boost you like that. But dont you realize this is what promotes toxic behavior. You have players in gold and plat who dont belong there. They were carried. These players are volatile, in which they are more likely to display negative conduct during a rank match such as: trolling, feeding, afking, refusing to cooperate or listen. Furthermore the game even more disgusting when promos are involved. Imagine having kaceytron in your promos for plat. I would go ape shit. Seeing her 1/8/2 at 15min with 15cs. Of course I would begin to rage. Then I am punished, instead of the obvious trolls/feeder. I have oscillated from gold 1-5 in all 3 of my accounts. Its becomes so difficult to maintain a positive outlook when you have such players in your game. It becomes even more difficult since I main support and have to focus on warding more heavily on our weakest link so that he/she stops dying so frequent. Worse with this new meta where making a comeback is nearly impossible. I have nothing against kaceytron. I get what she is doing. SHe definitely has thick skin, but plz, plz just stick to trolling in bronze. This is one of the few games where being a tryhard is seen as negative. Yes i will give it my best when playing rank. It is out of respect to you and myself that i do. I dont want to waste 30min-40min of your time or my time. Its call having some decency. I would rather have a rager, who is trying his hardest to win the a troll/feeder/noob who doesnt speak throughout the game and cost us the game. But its the rager who gets punished not the other
: kaceytron reached gold
What is more shocking is that riot is allowing this. It is clear that someone is elo boosting/carrying her. Its obvious that she is trolling. But i guess she has yet to be ban. So the message im getting from this is that. Showing tits on twitch allows you to get someone to carry u and you get paid to troll the LoL community. Well done rito keep promoting troll behavior
Rioter Comments
: So this is why I was perma band..
u were ban bc u were toxic as fcuk. Not just in one game but in multiple game.
: Asking for ban lift.
You have a shitty internet provider/speed as well as a shit computer. Dont blame others bc your broke ass cant afford the finer things in life.
: I deserve challenger
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=4JFmIksu,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-04T11:45:38.505+0000) > > Honestly, I deserve to be in challenger, not Bronze. Listed below are the reasons why I am still stuck in elo hell: > > And before anyone says anything, listed below are **NOT** reasons why I deserve Bronze > > So as you can see, I have made a detailed case on why I deserve challenger. Since I am not challenger, I can only conclude Rito is a terrible company, and everyone in the league community is an asshole. Thank you. > http://i.imgur.com/8TRbWHM.gif You might be Bronze 3 in LoL ingame but you are Challenger in Lol Forum
Lugg (NA)
: Why NA sucks in international play
: Every "This isn't ranked" comment in a nutshell
Istanur (NA)
: Returning Vet, rate/critique my S6 Lineup
yeah u need to update your champ pool. A little old fashion. checkout lolking to see what is being played in what rank the most
: anyone else dissapointed about Esports this year?
> [{quoted}](name=PhantasmalKing,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=VoHT6jj3,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-11-02T02:37:12.041+0000) > > i mean honestly the most boring part about it was hardly anyone was able to ban anything because they are too busy perma banning {{champion:82}} {{champion:41}} and on top of that after they realized double {{summoner:12}} was fuckin broken they just exploited that in almost every match.causing them all to play so boringly safe that early game was so goddamn slow.and not only all that but SKT won...again...seriously now we are just going to get a second set of SKT skins and honestly the last ones were pretty much boring and bad IMO.Also i found it very unfair that riot ships a giant patch before worlds starts. Not with Esports just with LCS. NA did horrible
: League of Reports...Banned and Not Begging
: Fck you, casters of worlds
so much anger so much hate
: I just tried to play AP supps w/o mana pots
> [{quoted}](name=Halo of the Sun,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aMqd8mIh,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-31T16:00:24.649+0000) > > Pretty much Riot telling you to go fuck yourself get cookies, problem solved
Rioter Comments
: Visible MMR in profile.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=dubhai
Budupops (NA)
: Bronze 5 Achieved!
> [{quoted}](name=Budupops,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=tRx1RAie,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-11T01:28:51.904+0000) > > http://i.imgur.com/5qmk8aq.png > > this is what happens when u smurf Where you the one smurfing or were u up against smurfs? Either way its an indication of well you play. My main is a gold 2 support. I decided to create a 3rd account and won 3 out of my 7 placement matches and go placed in silver 4, now im back in gold with that new account. So i am confused as to why you are blaming your rank on smurfs
: They should give Reginald a TSM Wukong skin
> [{quoted}](name=LZ Emperor,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=wF0a23Ta,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-11T03:29:45.846+0000) > > They should give Reginald a TSM Wukong skin Yes plz
: > [{quoted}](name=XxobscenexX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8J4LxXmM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-10-08T15:20:52.449+0000) > You really cant kite a garen and he is so tanky. if you cant kite him, you cant kite anyone.
Deadmans plate + swiftness boots + his q. Pray to god that they dont have a lulu or a janna that gives him more MS or someone to pop talisman. If you can out kite that you belong in Diamond
: why isn't that on the site? And why is the schedule not loading? WHAT IS HAPPENING!?!
> [{quoted}](name=Legostrike,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=GkaauUkP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-10-08T16:06:10.500+0000) > > why isn't that on the site? And why is the schedule not loading? WHAT IS HAPPENING!?! idk ive been watching it all day
: No Worlds Schedule, no VODS, no Livestream on ESports site
http://watch.na.lolesports.com/en_US#/livestream
: Haha you're super cool. I have very low patience for stupid people. Hence muting everyone. Enjoy being salty.
> [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gnuf3Ae2,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-10-08T15:19:42.661+0000) > > Haha you're super cool. > I have very low patience for stupid people. Hence muting everyone. > Enjoy being salty. Lol enjoy low elo, since in real life and in virtual you need to learn how to deal with criticism. Even the LCS players are criticized by the managers and coaches. You only learn from your mistakes when someone points them out to you. If you keep doing the same dumb shit, like you probably are, then you can stay in Silver.
: Tired of being demoted because of bad players and trolls. Rank system needs a complete overhaul
> [{quoted}](name=Silver Strings,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=4VLnrsBJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-08T14:16:51.220+0000) > > LP needs to stop being solely based on whether you win or lose. That's the main point of what I'm about to say. At one point I was s2. I have been demoted all the way down to the bottom of s5 because of the teammates that I have been getting. Yes, I have my off games and I will claim full responsibility for that, but when nearly 90% of my lost games have been because of other players, and I'm the one getting punished for it, there's a big problem. I would propose that the rank system is based on your in game performance. So that bad players can't coast into higher ranks for free and better players aren't punished so severely when a loss isn't their fault. Before the argument comes up that, "what if people go afk or leave so they start dying less?" leaving or going afk, feeding, or just stopping helping the team would result in the maximum penalty and possibly a short ban from ranked. I think this would encourage some players to be less reckless and others to be more determined. > The base idea would look a bit like this: > 100 cs = 1 LP 5 kills = 1 LP > 10 = assists 1 LP 5 deaths = -1 LP > firstblood = + or - 1 LP depending on which side of it you're on dragon = 1 LP > baron = 2 LP loss = -10 LP > win = +5 LP tower kill/assist = 1 LP > Win streaks grant +5 LP for each win starting at 3 wins Loss streaks cost -5 LP for each loss starting at 4 losses. > LP would cap at + or - 30 Being in the lowest rank and having a loss streak in excess of -20 LP each game would result in a temporary ranked ban. > > I did the math with a few of my games to test how this would turn out. > > 10/11/10 with 134 cs 1 baron 2 dragons and I assisted with 6/9 towers. > +1 for cs +2 for kills +1 for assists -2 for deaths +2 for dragons + 2 for baron +5 for winning +6 for towers = 16 LP for a fairly average and balanced game which is about what the average is per game anyway. > > 6/5/8 with 170 cs and 3/4 towers > +1 for cs +1 for kills +0 for assists -1 for deaths +0 for dragons + 2 for baron -10 for losing +2 for towers = -5 LP for a fairly average game. It balances out decently well compared to the flat 15+ loss on average with the current system. > > 25/5/2 with 205 cs and 6/9 towers > +2 for cs +5 for kills +0 for assists -1 for deaths +1 for first blood +2 for dragons + 4 for baron +5 for winning +5 for win streak +6 for towers = 29 LP for an exceptional game. > > Edit: I would like to point out that I only got this score because this particular team worked well together. It wasn't just me getting fed. While I got the most kills, the rest of the team was not starved either > > Unfortunately I could only find one loss of my own that balanced out with less than -10 at an even -15 due to a bad loss streak and my ADC leaving the game which in my opinion serves as proof of this systems effectiveness. People who work with their teams and fight for objectives and play the game as it's meant to be played aren't punished as severely as those who purposefully ruin games. > > To reiterate what was said earlier, leaving a game, going afk, or being reported for legitimate reasons will result in an automatic -30 LP for that game as well as a temporary ranked ban for repeat offenders. > > Obviously this would need some improvements and changes from riot to make it more reliable but as a base idea this has a lot of potential. > > > > EDIT: I do not think that this system is at all necessary in team ranked matches. Amen
: WHY do people still ban Garen???????
> [{quoted}](name=magic pole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8J4LxXmM,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-08T14:44:50.713+0000) > > even in high gold/low plat people are still banning this trash and allow crap like {{champion:429}} {{champion:114}} to jump around instead My main bans are {{champion:114}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:86}} secondary bans {{champion:67}} {{champion:92}} The reasons are simple. Many players dont know how to deal with them properly. One good gank and they become unstoppable. You really cant kite a garen and he is so tanky. All he needs is a black cleaver and you are in a world of hurt
: Muting everyone ingame
> [{quoted}](name=Environmentalist,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gnuf3Ae2,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-10-08T14:57:31.943+0000) > > I've decided lately to turn off all chat and mute my team at the beginning of every game, and thus far the games I've played like this I've enjoyed more thoroughly and haven't felt frustrated at all. > Does anybody else do this? I'm curious if you guys tell your team you're muting them? > Usually when I notify my team I'm muting them they swear and call me pathetic right off the bat, which whatever, I mute them and report them at the end. But not everyone did that, some just said OK and what not. > Only issue I can see if I don't tell them I'm muting them is if they try to talk to me and assume I'm not communicating with the team, which is reportable I guess. > > What do you guys think? Its childish to be muting your team. Communication is key. As a support gold 2 main, I need to constantly relay info to my team. Grow some balls and l2p
: LF Gold/PLAT support player
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=XxobscenexX fell from gold 2 support main, just bad luck with team comp. But u can see my win ratios
: need someone from riot.....
> [{quoted}](name=tricksterluke,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=qH9co19d,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-09-26T19:54:06.375+0000) > > just need a rioter to spectate a game to see the players i deal with every game and maybe they can see who fked up the people i get matched with every game, it got to the point that even though i have the ability to carry my bad team i wont i will just tilt and lose , i get matched with the same type of people every game, demoted from g3 to g4 and going back to g5 soon It happend to me this week. went from Gold 2 to Gold 5 with 0 lp. This game has become a joke. Trolls, afker and duos run rampage. I fell that hard within 1 week of play. This included winning my lane every time. I once had a 56% win ratio now its at 52%
: Can we please, for the love of god, fix normals matchmaking?
I feel you. I having to get bronze or low silver on my team when I play normals. Once you get used to play with high golds and low plays you expect certain things. But then you get these bronzies and low silver and you watch them and you think OMG why the fuck did he/she just do that.
Basenji (NA)
: switched my client to korean, login warning?
u need a kssn means korean social security number.. in case u are korean and u got one go http://leagueoflegends .co.kr/ ... if u havent got a kssn i would recommend doing the same stuff i did using the korean soundpacks because they are way better than any other http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1909574
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=XxobscenexX,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=cEVU2pTM,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-18T18:07:35.527+0000) > > The issue win gragas as support is that minions can block his body check. I know this can occur with thresh and naut. But unlike thresh, naut, leona and braum who go all in, he is not as tanky as they are. If you build him tanky his poke is useless since it really does no dmg just a minor slow. His ult can be usefull but most of the time it will be hard ot land. Since the adc is in the back and u will need to get close to get to him. This can lead to u or your adc getting caught by their tank support. I disagree completely. There's a reason why people took him in the jungle as a tank. He has high base damage and poor AP ratios. He offers CC and being able to sustain very well. I find that Gragas works very well against {{champion:67}} because of her poor range which allows her to be caught with ease.
I disagree and your rank and win ratio dont really help support your evidence
: > [{quoted}](name=Summoner Grey,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=cEVU2pTM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-18T16:45:36.538+0000) > > what can gragas really offer that other supports can't do as well. He can peel like Janna He can poke like Lux He can stun like Leona He's a different champion that's fun to play.
> [{quoted}](name=RIP Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=cEVU2pTM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-18T17:50:37.624+0000) > > He can peel like Janna > He can poke like Lux > He can stun like Leona > > He's a different champion that's fun to play. The issue win gragas as support is that minions can block his body check. I know this can occur with thresh and naut. But unlike thresh, naut, leona and braum who go all in, he is not as tanky as they are. If you build him tanky his poke is useless since it really does no dmg just a minor slow. His ult can be usefull but most of the time it will be hard ot land. Since the adc is in the back and u will need to get close to get to him. This can lead to u or your adc getting caught by their tank support.
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