: Good design LOL, Lets see what lee's kit has as a "diver" (pretty sure thats his classification, even tho IMO its wrong b/c diver description says they have a hard time getting out if they go in): Attack speed buff for weaving autos (Clear +1), Aoe melee damage and lifesteal (sustain +1) (clear +2), Long range skillshot gapcloser- That is also an execute (Mobility +1) (assassination +1) (clear +3), Medium range dash to allied units (mobility +2) oh and its also a shield for BOTH LEE AND ALLIES (Sustain +2) (Utility +1), And finally, his ult, Good damage hard CC STRONG pick potential (Assassination +2) (Utility +2). Yeaaaah, lee isn't overloaded at all, thats why you never see a good lee snowball games super hard by just running around the map at super speed, super healthy murdering people. Good design L M F A O.
Cool, now list the "pros" without a confusing fuckin format and list the cons as well. No, I'm serious. >diver description says they have a hard time getting out if they go in Lies. Their description just says they are mobile, not unable to get out after a dive. >Attack speed buff for weaving autos It's actually so he can do something in a 1v1, imagine lee without being able to attack as fast. He would have a hard time doing a 3+ key combo. Wait, you didn't read the passive description? >Aoe melee damage and lifesteal Oh so you won't say it's magic damage but you'll say it's melee damage so it sounds like it does the same damage as Q and not damage that is nearly insignificant? AND you'll say it's lifesteal even though that's his W and not his E? >Long range skillshot gapcloser "long range" what the fuck are you comparing it to? how Is it LONG? >Medium range dash to allied units (mobility +2) oh and its also a shield for BOTH LEE AND ALLIES Yeah and Lee dashes to wards most of the time which doesn't shield either. >Good damage hard CC STRONG pick potential "Good damage" which is why he is even a presence late game because its his entire power budget? "hard CC" stop saying it like its a 4 second stun or something, its a knockback which only benefits him in terms of distance if he uses flash. "(Assassination +2)" how is it an assassination for having good damage? Also, why are you adding points like it supports your argument? "thats why you never see a good lee snowball games super hard by just running around the map at super speed" probably because you fucking don't, because his winrate would be garbage compared to what you say
: A few days ago, I fought a {{champion:157}} (in ARAM) who was kinda behind, was 0/4 something like this, and came back with {{item:3087}} {{item:1018}}. He used Q+AA+Q and I died (I was Janna, 1 and half level ahead I believe, and yes, I know she's weak). Isn't it super ridiculous ?
bro, a statikk shiv and crit cloak will NOT 3 shot a single squishy in existence right now, especially when underleveled by a janna of all champions
: except that this is a video game and not a court of law. riot has rules and if you break them then that's that
: > [{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xR6eJvig,comment-id=000600050000,timestamp=2018-02-19T22:10:08.517+0000) > > i don't play league anymore (like 1 ranked game per 2 weeks) > also those stats are rankeds only > > but ok bro i don`t play league anymore (like 1 ranked game per 2 weeks) also those stats are rankeds only but ok bro
for someone to not know that the stats shown on op.gg are ranked only
: If you're in diamond then you should know how to juke shit.
Camille can just hold right-click while in windup time to ensure it will hit you 80% of the time. And by holding right-click I mean maneuvering the slash so it will hit. And that's not factoring in the comet.
: He even said himself that he just wants to beat shit up and "I take every trade", that sounds like he overextends at least a lot. What was the question? >So everyone in SoloQ is in a high enough elo to be ghosted, notorious enough to be camped, and is also trolled all the time? ? If thats it then yeah, he gets ganked more than others. That doesnt mean junglers dont have too much impact in general tho does it?
"I take every trade" doesn't translate to " I want to start a trade all the time", also does not sound like "I overextend" at all " If thats it then yeah, he gets ganked more than others. That doesnt mean junglers dont have too much impact in general tho does it?" Well first of all thanks for proving my point and not continuing this stupid argument making me go in circles for your own sake. "That doesnt mean junglers dont have too much impact in general tho does it?" Am I inclined to believe Jungle doesn't have a massive impact in whether you win the lane or not? In a meta where the game is more snowball than every other previous state in the game and where damage creep is a plague, why would Jungler NOT have too much of an impact in general. And here we go again, ignoring what the actual point. I said HASHINSHINS situation, not SOLOQ and EVERYONE ELSE. That's EXACTLY why I said you proved my point.
: Done, try making a new account and actually put your money where your mouth is denouncer. Prove it
Prove what? Put the picture in or play on a new account? Besides, I already have a younger relative player to use as proof if need be.
: Of course people camp the guy that perma tilts and overextends, if you want to call it a hate train, I guess..
1. He doesn't permatilt 2. He doesn't always overextend, he is high elo for a reason ATLEAST watch a stream of his 3. stop dodging the question
: It's really fun how shit early game is for new players, the amount of bots and dodges is disgusting
>**No one calls out their picks** As someone who played 2000 Normal Blind picks (not lying, can provide a picture) I can say this is very invalid, only legitimate trolls and the like will actually not say their call and still lock in. There are rarely 3+ man premades so that isn't really a viable point, there are little to no smurfs (why would there be smurfs in normals other than making **OMG!!! 500/0/999 KDA DIAMOND SKILL LEVEL PLAYER WITH MMR OF BRONZIE** videos) and it's much more casual and less toxic (and more approachable) than ranked. And get on your main.
: I dont think its a "hate train", its just that hashinshin overextends permanently so why not make use of that? And if you want to, you can camp any laner as jungler, why not?
It is very much a hate train or a trend with the same nature as "ez". Also it's not "just that" you think he overextended twice after he died to ezreal the first time? NO. I even told you that beforehand. Again, stop asking stupid questions. What is so hard to understand that in "hashinshins situation" he has it worse in top lane by far, due to him being high elo, notorious and the fact its a meme to camp him. Saying "who wouldn't camp a laner as jungler" doesn't answer my question at all.
: ? Why do laners need to be ghosted/trolled for junglers to have too much impact? They can just gank too much and too effectively.
I'm talking about how it affects hashinshin specifically. Maybe you don't know what ghosting is, but ghosting is putting a stream on in the background while on the team opposite of the streamer so you can see the map and know where they are. Why do you think streamers cover their own maps sometimes? It affects hashinshin even moreso considering there is a hate train (specifically high elo) against him. There is even a game where an ezreal ganks THREE times before hashinshin hit level 5 with red buff and killed him all 3 times, one of the ganks being before he reaches his own tower. I'm pretty sure soloQ doesn't have that shit happening.
: Early game junglers do have too much impact in soloq in general tho
So everyone in SoloQ is in a high enough elo to be ghosted, notorious enough to be camped, and is also trolled all the time? Dude.
: I don’t think he’s ultra op, I just want to know what cc can be applied that he won’t windwall.
Panth Stun, Maokai Snare, A.Sol ult, cmon dude its literally anything that isn't a projectile. Zoe sleep, Zyra knockup, Garen Q, Riven Q and W, Tryndamere slow, why should you need someone to list them?
: What is the other stuff then? Junglers having too much impact, supports and adcs being too strong, etc.? Because that stuff doesnt only affect bruisers or top lane then.
In hashinshins situation, junglers having too much impact means he can get camped and lose the lane every game since he is very recognizable, and in high elos there is more ghosting scenarios and people with a grudge or that want to be a troll and make hashinshin have a horrible game.
hoganftw (NA)
: What does it even take to keep a Yasuo down?
use CC (targeted) then focus him.
: What cc that won't get windwalled?
Oh jeez, if I haven't seen someone brainwash themselves to think Yasuo is ultra OP then I think I just did.
Uniia (EUNE)
: RIOT please tell us why you are nerfing Ornn, the lack of communication is killing us.
Because they are applying the Morello method. Ornn became the embodiment of a cancerous tank, then they nerfed him down to the ground. They didn't Olaf him, but they still mugged him.
RiseofMe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Leylania,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OEHEHl1e,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-02-16T14:03:44.755+0000) > > Being suicidal has most of the times nothing to do with being just sensitive. You're right, its not just about being sensitive, illness comes into play too
no it doesn't. Lack of serotonin isn't an illness, try again.
X00A (EUNE)
: Fuck yasuo
Isnt E a charge or something? and what do you mean "now"? should've been a thing since forever if that's even a "thing"
: Okay, you want to know what is wrong with the kog buff in next patch?
Right, so you repost the same thing but with more clarity, except you further express the dumb mentality of "if other champions cant get a deserved buff, than kog shouldnt either" and you also dont mention the actual buff at all other than "its a buff"
: > [{quoted}](name=MrPhamtom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z5mnGfFX,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-02-13T22:12:37.212+0000) > > god this thread is so cucky and pathethic > > its betas like you that are why feminism exists It's fucking sexist idiots like you that are why feminism needs to exist
he didn't say anything sexist. besides, MrPhantom is talking about 3rd wave feminism. Remember when there used to be laws where you could get in trouble for swearing in front of women? Cmon dude, feminism wore out already. Might as well call it Democratic Social Anomolies. Also, feminism doesn't need to exist. Not in the form it is right now, there needs to be a movement of Gender Equality and not feminism because both have advantages in place they shouldn't, like office work (man advantage) to nursing (women advantage) and blah blah blah.
Escheton (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1iI5xgfr,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T02:43:28.734+0000) > > That's going off of a subjective view from yourself. On technical terms he is asking directly "Is saying I had someone who intentionally fed enemies in my last game, naming and shaming?". You can't assume the player he was talking about is just THAT bad. There is nothing subjective about intent. You either intend to feed or you don't. What is subjective is my findings that those clamoring about feeders are usually the ones that are unwilling to look at the game complexly and admit their fault in the deaths of their team-members.
Again, stop making tangents and dodging the question. "Is saying I had someone who intentionally fed enemies in my last game, naming and shaming?"
Escheton (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1iI5xgfr,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T02:37:36.518+0000) > > He said INTer not BAD PLAYER. Don't dodge the question. And if I had a nickle for every time someone conflates the two I could buy a new gaming rig...
That's going off of a subjective view from yourself. On technical terms he is asking directly "Is saying I had someone who intentionally fed enemies in my last game, naming and shaming?". You can't assume the player he was talking about is just THAT bad.
Escheton (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1iI5xgfr,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-12T22:33:42.186+0000) > > Is saying I had an inter in my last game naming and shaming then? Did they go out of their way to die to the enemy, or did they just die a lot trying their best?
He said INTer not BAD PLAYER. Don't dodge the question.
: > [{quoted}](name=Phazanor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1iI5xgfr,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-02-12T21:11:16.917+0000) > > Yes because that single game was representative of the millions of others right? So if your toplaner won, it means toplane is in a perfect state. > RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT? I'm only arguing that it can go any which way. You're arguing that it's *always going to be bot lane's fault whether the team wins or loses.* You got 10k games supporting that ridiculous claim screen capped?
Obviously he won't considering he doesn't realize how easy it is to invalidate his entire comment by changing the implications, so I doubt he will have proof of the "bot lane decides the game" claim anyways. Infact, I don't think any of the comment is actually an argument against your post, it does go both ways.
Rioter Comments
hoganftw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfB3q2Tz,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-02-11T11:06:11.309+0000) > > Yeah, and Mid has 6 paths jungler can gank from, and 4 of which are effective, 2 of which help the jungler peel if you are diving, and 2 of which can completely cut you off the tower and force you to eat damage. It's a hella short lane though bruh. Top is huge af.
: How can Bloodmoon even be called an assasin game mode?
You're telling me Yasuo shouldn't be in it but Yi should, even though Yi isn't actually an assassin he is the same class as Yasuo?
: Yes, people do care. And it relates a lot to what he said. Really? I am not annoying and I know what I am talking about. What a way to make rude assumptions. And then going through my own posts?! That's fucking rude as hell. Zed is unhealthy for the game, that's a fact. There's nothing wrong about telling someone that I was reporting them for being rude, and that mod had no right to edit anything because I didn't say anything to be edited, and I never acted like I was. So stop assuming things that YOU don't know and being rude to the person that you "think" is rude when they really aren't. And mind your own damn business as well and stop poking through someone else's stuff.
>Yes, people do care And there is a reason why you are those same kinds of people. >And it relates a lot to what he said He is talking about gameplay, not the nature of what he said. It doesn't relate at all. >Really? I am not annoying and I know what I am talking about Right, that's why you are arguing whether or not a staff had edited a post of yours? Or am I wrong? Because staff send a notification of what they edit out as well, if I recall. Either way, you don't know what you sound like right now. >And then going through my own posts?! That's fucking rude as hell If we didn't go through a persons profile to investigate, then there would simply be no way to factually disprove someone saying "I had a KD of 100/0/100 on Akali, and I say Akali is broken" even though it's obviously wrong from logical terms. Besides, everyone does it. Why is it not an exception now? >Zed is unhealthy for the game, that's a fact. Right, that's why LL Stylish (best Zed in north America) started to think about quitting Zed because of how bad the champion is, and how it relies on one item which is the only thing keeping Zed from being unviable? He is not unhealthy for the game, that's a fact. And I have multiple sources, including Winrate+Playrate, his mains and Riot posts of Assassins, community feedback on the assassin rework, and even some mage mains who agree Zed is bad. >There's nothing wrong about telling someone that I was reporting them for being rude Saying "Reported." is obnoxious and annoying. Saying it twice means you are trying to use it to scare them, which also disproves the point of you not being annoying and radiating a bad vibe. You did not say "I am reporting you" You said "Reported". The people who flame others do the same thing, as well. "Report this Volibear" "Reported" are very common from toxic individuals. >and that mod had no right to edit anything because I didn't say anything to be edited, and I never acted like I was Pretty sure you argued with them over if you said anything that was bad or not, also I'm pretty sure every bank robber can say "They have no right to arrest me because I didn't rob a bank" just like you said "I didn't say anything to be edited". Again, we don't use subjective views for proof of anything, we use data and factual evidence. >So stop assuming things that YOU don't know Everything I said has been backed up by sources I am very much able to show you, including going through your own posts (which you admit yourself). >being rude to the person that you "think" is rude when they really aren't So far you demonstrated that you are a contradictive, selfish person on the internet and that isn't a good look for anyone. You listened to none of what I have said and I am officially done with your excuses, arguments and strawmans. Downvoting my comments like I won't know, making yourself look like the good guy, arguing with authorities higher than you. Simply revolting.
: > [{quoted}](name=Yaśuo Main,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfB3q2Tz,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-11T10:44:51.494+0000) > > Ummm, yes in English. putting these ( ) after saying "if you're not an extremely mobile champion" for a bunch of champions usually means that you are talking about if you aren't playing as those champions. It's the most logical assumption. I don't understand this comment. Could you clear it up? My comment was simply disagreeing that the parenthesis could mean both ways. By saying 'not an extremely mobile champion' and then (given the context of playing a non mobile champion) it would make the most sense that the parenthesis would surround the non-mobile champions.
People read it the other way by assuming the OP means playing any of the champions in parenthesis is extremely mobile which causes confusion. ( and ) are for clarification so people read it as it was clarifying specific extremely mobile champions thus we have it working both ways. Whether or not it's one or the other is honestly up to debate and is much like an atheism vs religion argument, in the fact that it's impossible to prove either side correct because it's a subjective topic.
: Truely the shittiest aspect of toplane is
Yeah, and Mid has 6 paths jungler can gank from, and 4 of which are effective, 2 of which help the jungler peel if you are diving, and 2 of which can completely cut you off the tower and force you to eat damage.
: I was talking to Poske about him replying to ME, who I was not talking about anything about the main OP topic, I was replying to someone being rude. I have a right to call people out. And yes some people do care about being nice on the boards.
but no one cares about being nice on the boards when it comes to discussion of gameplay. saying "that's rude. Be nice" is telling someone who you have NO power over what to do, and it relates to NOTHING to what he said. I have a right to call people out as well, and I say you're being annoying for no good reason on a subject you don't have a clue about. think about it, you think zed is unhealthy for the game, you say "Reported." twice to the same person because they argue against you, you argue with a staff for editing your comment for the reason "there was nothing to be edited out" but then act as if there WAS, and that he edited out something which you don't even know
: > [{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RfB3q2Tz,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-10T21:14:13.978+0000) > > The parenthesis actually work both ways depending on how you read it. Not in English.
Ummm, yes in English. putting these ( ) after saying "if you're not an extremely mobile champion" for a bunch of champions usually means that you are talking about if you aren't playing as those champions. It's the most logical assumption.
: Uh, I think you replied to the wrong person.
I think you did, or more so you forgot this isn't tumblr. No one cares about being rude, besides OP is really getting upvoted for the shit he's pulling right now can warrant being called biased.
Anatera (NA)
: Not really, because it's like exactly where it needs to be. Not like yours, being where it doesn't need to be like a verruca or some shit like that.
I mean, you replied to the wrong dude. No one is talking about being angry.
Anatera (NA)
: Wow. Why don't you tell us what you're really angry about?
: Bullshit. Most AD mid laners have some method of ranged physical damage, which applies the GW from {{item:3123}}
Yeah, and for most AD mid laners that build GW they can't poke as much as a mage.
: The discrepancy between AD and AP champs makes me want to stop playing....
Any replay? Honestly. I can go 2/1/0 against a Diana with no kills, have 10 or more CS, and still almost die to her. I must be doing something wrong, especially if I had that exact same build and actually start LOSING against her mid to late game. edit: Checked game. Not only did he have MORE THAN TWICE your CS (every 15 cs or so is about a kills worth of gold, you had 123 he had 282), but you also built no defense against him while HE did against you, you weren't even full build like he was, he was level 18 while you were level 15, AND you had 3x his deaths (he had 4 you had 12). What the fuck?? Of course you couldn't burst him normally you were MASSIVELY behind. Not to mention his team could have had baron at the time AS WELL, since his team killed baron and not yours.
Poske (EUNE)
: universal item = ad item AD item =! universal item Specificily because it is universal it counts And Ga is essentially a statis for ad carries The only Marskman stopwatch I can think of is lucian R + stopwatch and lucian is relativly new Carries didnt have stopwatch ability overlaps thats why they got GA instead No wait.. GA wasnt ADC item back in past... it became recently tho
*stopwatch isn't specifically an item for attack damage based chapions which is why stopwatch isn't a viable point also stasis, the GOLDEN form, to GA, that activates when ur dead and not on command, gives hp, and lasts much longer, are similar?
Poske (EUNE)
: {{item:3814}} is literaly an ad item with a spell shield Not like carries can get stopwatch or anything
He said AD item, stopwatch isn't an AD item it's universal.
: There is, though. Stasis: {{item:3026}} Spellshield: {{item:3814}} Additionally, everyone can get {{item:2419}}
GA, a stasis. Except it instead activates whenever you die and not on when you want it to, it gives you a portion of your hp back, and the reviving process lasts longer, and it's nothing like stasis.
: Very unpopular opinion incoming.
It's funny that OP knowingly posts this opinion and labels it unpopular while they know it actually isn't, in order to grab attention.
: When the new Swain Ults my FPS drops EVERY SINGLE TIME
Same here, legit. Not only was my ally swain making me lag but I had one on the enemy team as well, causing me to tilt and almost throw the game because I can't do anything other than spam abilities into where I think they are
Abibyama (EUW)
: Painfully accurate
And unbelievably wrong. With that same logic you could make fun of a garbage champion getting a buff on its damage. "wah, reduce damage across the board stupid riot" _buffs garbage champion with little to zero damage pressure_ "wtf they're buffing a champions damage"
: If there's gonna be a discussion, then make it fair, cause otherwise it's really frustrating. It's funny how you mention the 7.3 patch buff yet **JUST IGNORE** how she was **The 14th Worst ADC In the game during Patch 7.13**, way after that 7.3 buff. Mentioning only what's convenient to your argument is just a very poor choice. I never see anyone **ever** asking stuff like: _**Why wasn't she so overbearing before? What changed around her? How come that having worse numbers than the kit she had at 7.13 she's suddenly performing better? Why is she getting her resets so easily? Did Runes have anything to do with it? How is she reaching her power spike around 20 mins instead of the intended 30 - 35? Does the game state have any kind of influence on her kit?**_ You guys think I find it fair that she's bursting people with 2 - 4 autos at 20 mins and on just two items? **I don't**. This is why taking my comment out of context and out of my original post where I critique a bunch of things about Tristana makes this post feel to me like hater-pandering and not an attempt at a fair conversation. I feel like I'm gonna start quoting a bunch of things from my original post, but why not continue the conversation **in my original post**? Is any mod reading this? Isn't this topic a bit redundant? I've been having conversations on my original post just fine. I don't understand the point of this post. It's only forcing me to repeat myself from my original post.
Well, OP is an idiot (or more fitting, a dirtbag). He used a hyperbole to get upvotes all the while with really bad arguments on his side that seemed "slightly" viable because there was no counter-argument. The only reason this post is even 40+ is because of mob mentality. Can't really stop it.
: > [{quoted}](name=sixdogman,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eE6JVyow,comment-id=00050005000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-04T08:00:10.176+0000) > > hmmmm... can't tell if trolling or illiterate. I quoted you word for word, fam, you can go be stupid somewhere else now.
"many situations" What the fuck do you not see? many =/= all, don't accuse him of being stupid.
: >and now we are back in the dark age of LoL, with the chogath, malzahar, syndra, rengar revert, leblanc revert, camille release with broken point and click spells and other one shot garbage, and all those point blank crowd control skill shot spells that last an eternity (with the new zoe E as the cherry on top). Yes, cry about Syndra when Veigar exists who can literally build 6 tank items and still actually OHK your carry with just R.
>6 tank items and still actually OHK your carry with just R. Y-You're joking, right? Right?
GigglesO (NA)
: Did you even see all of his ap?
Yeah, and his build was really bad. So mentioning him dying under a second is a point if he was actually building tank.
: Why did you remove this
Same. It was very nice, made the game feel popular at the same time as well (even though everyone knows that)
: My stuff isn't dumb. Not cool.
"revert this preseason" is that dumb in nature because of how you think preseason is just one buff/nerf that you can just revert? it is. there are even some people in the comment section saying the same thing on purpose because of how weird it sounds. "revert every season until Season 5 pre-GP rework" "I'm tired of being shit stomped on five minutes into the game with no armor or magic resist" Is this dumb in nature because you choose to not get MR or armor five minutes into the game, or that you're getting shitstomped FIVE MINUTES INTO THE GAME, 3 minutes 30 seconds after minions spawn at the least?
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