Ramaero (NA)
: Talon should NOT be reverted,slight update or rework perhaps,but not reverted,he is not Rengar or LB
The only people who think Talon needs a revert are the ones who aren't good enough to play new Talon. Old talon was braindead and required very little skill to stomp when ahead (getting ahead is another story, of course). New talon actually requires an understanding of macro and how to end a game to play properly. The silvers/golds asking for a revert just want their low-skill, poorly designed stomp-in-lowelo champ back.
: Hi. I'm running around between meetings and various other commitments atm so I can't gives this a ton of engagement right now, but it sounds like we're going to increase his Q range, which I guess got bugged several patches ago to be shorter than intended somehow.
> [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nrE6Pj0X,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2018-04-17T00:20:09.726+0000) > > Hi. I'm running around between meetings and various other commitments atm so I can't gives this a ton of engagement right now, but it sounds like we're going to increase his Q range, which I guess got bugged several patches ago to be shorter than intended somehow. Repertoir, as a challenger talon otp, I just want to mention: Talon's already in a very good spot right now. Across euw, na, and kr, there are 3 challenger talon top players and 1 talon mid player. While I strongly agree that the q range bugs (both ranged and melee) along with the backflip bug should be fixed, please be very careful not to over-buff him. Due to the nature of his kit, Talon is one of the hardest macro champs to play in the game - to the point where even dedicated one tricks will often play him very sub-optimally. If he is buffed to the point where sub optimal becomes strong, then he will be completely broken in the hands of more competent players. Further, please keep in mind that Talon's high e mobility should be balanced out with a slightly lower q range, making the low q range not as weak as people may believe. An example: If a good Talon player wants to engage on an enemy laner, he will simply walk out of lane and e back in to close the gap. A bad Talon player will attempt to walk up to q, getting kited and poked out. Low q range rewards good Talon players and punishes the bad players.
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