: new zac can't carry his own team, only the enemies
If you want to carry as Zac, you’d need the meme build of AP Zac: {{item:1401}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3157}}{{item:3001}} {{item:3116}} Or {{item:1402}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3916}} {{item:3157}} Both are aweful, but Zac is a tank, so it’s what you got. If your looking for an AP tank, probably Sejuani is a better bet
Horızen (NA)
: Get out of your diapers if you want to ranked
Doesn’t this belong on the rant board?
: Good job on Xin Zhao bio and color story
I do love to see the split sides of it, and it was refreshing to see some of the good when it’s kinda been buried under the long amount of darkness we have been getting.
Wyrin (NA)
: You can rest assured in the fact that it's probably gonna end up being an april fools joke anyway
> [{quoted}](name=Wyrin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B4FfFItv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-20T17:00:03.254+0000) > > You can rest assured in the fact that it's probably gonna end up being an april fools joke anyway ... in March? Plus, we already know what the April fools skins are, Furry Fizz and then the steroid cat bros renegar and Yorick
: This game sucks | Change my mind
I just enjoy that the comments have become a Rammus meme {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: Current Eyeball Collection on PBE
Eh, its probably healthier, even if it’s mechanically not as interesting or thematically unique.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 20
What is the current approach to wits end if you don’t mind me asking? And will it be hitting the PBE today?
Kreezhem (NA)
: For your build order you want to rush spellbinder and not Luden. Because it gives you more gank / kill power. You dont need the extra mana because of the manaflow band. Usually it's the other way around. People take Banshee to counter Annie's burst. As annie you dont really want banshee cuz your E is enough to counter a one shot usually.
Usually I’m not buying it to avoid a one shot. It’s the only thing I’ve found that can reduce poke enough not to get forced out of lane when I’m behind. It’s not exactly an awesome buy, but it’s what I’ve got Thanks for the advice. I’ll remember that change up of Ludens and Spell binder, Thank You
: https://dd.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/b32ibd/morde_vgu_ranked_split_emotes/eiwy1a8/?st=jtgft6i8&sh=6a248e7c Endlesspillows, he's the one working on Morde's VGU right now
Kreezhem (NA)
: Guide: Annie Speedster, high elo Guide by Kreezhem
Hmm, Rylais over double pen. I do like it a lot. It’s just double pen is so rediculous. I’ll have to experiment a bit. Just listing build order so I can visualize. {{item:3285}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3907}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3116}} Then situational... Could be fun to play against some people. I swear every time I play Annie I’m against an Artillary mage so I’m rushing {{item:3102}}, but when I’m against others or when I’m ahead I’ll have to try it. (Also, Riot, best potential buff to Banshee’s Veil: make it so I can upgrade Nullmantel into a Negatron Cloak before combining!)
Naalith (NA)
: Hold up, is this a first look at Mordekaiser or am I overlooking a skin?
Where is malicious metal or a rioter? I’m either being really gullible and believing this or its legit.
Sukishoo (NA)
: Dunk master Ivern...
It’s a weird choice, but I can kinda see it. Darius represents that hyper agro street baller, while Ivern that weird lanky dude that always gets net. Might have called him something other than dunkmaster, but I like the theme and think the skin looks nice.
: "We need a tank!"
Wait... is that Log Horizon? Wow it’s been a while. Have they made any new episodes?
: > [{quoted}](name=Saianna,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VimFLVTL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-14T00:32:24.354+0000) > > Looks like Repertoir wants to add in to the powercreep meta. > > Items that have it all are actually downgrading the whole item-system. Items that have it all cause everyone to stack insane amounts of every stat and thus be pretty much monsters. Back in the days you needed at very least 4~ items to be strong. Now? Only 2 are needed for the same damage. The worse problem is, Riot has this nasty habit of adding most broken 'have it all' items for AD champions. > > Also there's hardly anything 'old' in the Zephyr idea Repertoir made. Just reusing small icon of madreds. > > I wonder did he even thought how this item will break several champions? This item is just too much of everything. You say that like we never had a 3333g item that gave 30 AP, AD, 10% CDR, 30% crit, attack speed, 350 HP, 300mana, tons of damage and make you faster when you kill something.
> [{quoted}](name=MankeyMadness,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VimFLVTL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T01:52:57.979+0000) > > You say that like we never had a 3333g item that gave 30 AP, AD, 10% CDR, 30% crit, attack speed, 350 HP, 300mana, tons of damage and make you faster when you kill something. This is a smidge different since we are looking at a mix of offense and defense besides hp+AD. There is a reason old Triforce got reworked. The situation is a bit new, which is both exciting but understandably making some others nervous.
Rebonack (NA)
: I like the idea of Wit's (and Madred's) being component items. But having an all-purpose item like the suggested Zepher might not be a great idea. Keep the new Wit's and Madred's, but have them combine with Recurve Bow instead of each other. Maybe even toss Ionic Spark (Dagger plus Giant's Belt) into the pile. And remove Phantom Hit from Rageblade. Seriously. So long as Phantom Hit exists in the game balancing OnHit effects is going to continue being a nightmare.
It’s definitely made harder because of phantom hit. I don’t think it necessarily needs to be removed, as much as other items need the Athens and Mikael interaction. Athens cancels Mikaels passive, making it less effective to buy together. I do think hybrid defenses can be balanced, like Zzrot or Gargoyal Stone Plate. The AS makes things tricky, but not impossible. That’s just my opinion though. I’m a little bias since this would really help validate my Shyvana Top build hahaha. I will also say that it may need some heavy editing. I posted a much more toned down version in the comments if you want to check that out.
: Reworking Wit's End: The Zephyr Approach
Thought of another potential fix, this one completely avoiding the component problem Wits End Build: Negatron Cloak + Recurved Bow + Chain Vest + 480 Gold (3,000 Total) * 40% Attack Speed * 40 Armor * 40 Magic Resistance * UNIQUE PASSIVE: on-hit, deal 50 magic damage and gain a stack of Sanity, up to 10 stacks. For each stack, gain 3 armor and magic resistance. Melee basic attacks grant twice as many stacks. At maximum stacks gain Tranquility * Tranquility: gain 10% Movement Speed and 35% tenacity. Disables Guinsoo’s rage on your other items. Nice part of this is that you could increase or decrease the combine cost to balance it pretty easily.
Saianna (EUNE)
: Looks like Repertoir wants to add in to the powercreep meta. Items that have it all are actually downgrading the whole item-system. Items that have it all cause everyone to stack insane amounts of every stat and thus be pretty much monsters. Back in the days you needed at very least 4~ items to be strong. Now? Only 2 are needed for the same damage. The worse problem is, Riot has this nasty habit of adding most broken 'have it all' items for AD champions. Also there's hardly anything 'old' in the Zephyr idea Repertoir made. Just reusing small icon of madreds. I wonder did he even thought how this item will break several champions? This item is just too much of everything.
> [{quoted}](name=Saianna,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VimFLVTL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-14T00:32:24.354+0000) > > This item is just too much of everything. That is the entire point of the article, to address that. The base concept is good, it just needs a little tweaking in my opinion.
I thought it was going to be a Gangplank meme. Still made me laugh though
Aeolus2000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Ez7ORTiA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-11T19:51:06.537+0000) > > Exactly. Imagine her doing a tiny, squeaky roar, charging the tower, yet the charge only does a single cannon minion AA worth of damage. It would be adorable. And then... it dies
> [{quoted}](name=Aeolus2000,realm=EUNE,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Ez7ORTiA,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-11T21:14:28.839+0000) > > And then... it dies {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Hasn't tested particularly well. Was popular but pretty degenerate, given it let a strong lane counter become an all purpose late game item without sufficient trade offs. Trying a different direction for Wit's End as a result.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=xe4HBZAv,comment-id=00670000,timestamp=2019-03-13T20:35:55.845+0000) > > Hasn't tested particularly well. Was popular but pretty degenerate, given it let a strong lane counter become an all purpose late game item without sufficient trade offs. Trying a different direction for Wit's End as a result. Darn, sad to hear that, I was pretty excited about it. Well, I’m looking forward to seeing whatever it is you guys try next for Wits End, thank you for the update.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 13
I saw a twitter post about a potential new Zephyr item. How has that reviewed among players and/or internally?
Riot Jag (NA)
: Teemo changes temporarily on PBE for early feedback, part 2
I can’t imagine those footprints will be very good. How far away could a person see those? If it’s pretty close it wouldn’t be too bad
: Riot Repertoir lies about how broken Riven is.
I believe making Riot Accountable is important, but these posts aren’t helping. It’s be one thing to say “here’s a bunch of data. This does not align with what Riot says. They should nerf Riven”. That’s good and healthy for the community. Declaring a Rioter a liar is not helpful though. It insites negativity, pushes away the people who could actually do something about it, and could be false since we don’t know what they know. Please keep riot accountable, but refrain from being toxic in the process. Toxicity will only result in Rioters never appearing here since they already have a bad opinion of the boards.
Haziv (EUW)
: What new skin would you like for Taric?
: Shipping for Newbies
It’s fun going back to see my old posts, what’s still relevant, what has done well, what flopped. Reminds me of my journey through league haha
: Play Annie and get outranged and outbursted by the entire mid lane roster. It's especially wonderful when as Annie you have to prepare 4 spells and use no abilities to wave push or cs to hold that stun and only have weak ass autos while a Sylas just stuns you straight away and does 60%+ of your health from the same range of your own spells while having more mobility, survivability, and equal or better burst. Get shoved into turret by every mid laner, and for what? If they don't poke you to death they get to free roam and 2-3 shot crap just like you except they don't need flash or ult to do so. It's almost like this game doesn't even balance champions who have good waveclear to have less single target damage than champions who have no waveclear or crazy mana costs while a Karthus or Zoe spams spells all day long.
Sounds like your struggling as Annie if your getting out damaged by other midlanders, since she has some rediculous burst. Here’s some cool tips for learning Annie: 1. Go to twitch 2. Search for Annie Bot 3. Schedule: Start Time: 1 PM PST While I’m being a little sarcastic, I learned her by watching his youtube videos (when he still did that) and by looking at his profile for builds. Dude regularly gets challenger with her, he is the ultimate source of knowledge on how to play her. Minus maybe his addiction to dark seal, because unless your as good as him, it’s a bit dangerous.
Does she have a buff on the PBE? This seems like they just handed her a massive buff. What was it?
: Ok Riot (or anyone really), please explain this to my smol iron brain why this is ok.
Well, your team was up 2k+ Gold from what I can tell in that picture. Winning teams bounties scale harder. Doesn’t matter if all you did was farm, it warranted a bounty to potentially let the enemy have some faint glimmer of hope of returning. At least, pretty sure that’s why. Picture is super blurry on my computer. Could be seeing it wrong.
Soylas (NA)
: It's time to remove Auto-Fill for ranked
I get it’s frustrating. I’d rather not triple my que time though. So I’m voting to keep autofill
: Am I confused by something? I don't consider Aurelion that strong at all. First of all he's not dimensional the same way Zoe and Bard are, second of all he's easily trapped. I wouldn't consider him a greater god. Not to mention I don't think he considers himself a god and he speaks of things way more terrifying than himself. I think the targon aspects are stronger tbh.
You could be right, this is merely my interpretation. I do have a few things that make think this way, I’ll share them really quick. 1. Aurelion Sol is only controlled because they hold his stars hostage. He shows that there is a very real chance he could resist the restraint they put on him, but it would cost him all the stars, things he loves above all else. 2. Aurelion Sol created the stars. There is an Aspect that seemed to have been powerful enough to win a civil war that is represented by the sun, which is just a star. Not only that, but the energy given off by a star is enough to make Ascended, while Aspects create similar being as Chosen. Plus, they needed him to seal the void rifts since they couldn’t do it themselves. This kinda hints that Aurelion is stronger than them. 3. Aurelion Sol is likely able to go between dimensions. He talks about how silly the old Pantheon’s understanding of what a dimensional rift was. He at the very minimum knows how to move between dimensions, even if he doesn’t do it himself. 4. He was present at creation. There is nothing in the universe older than Aurelion Sol, since NOTHING else existed before him. that’s some biblical level lore. I’d explain Aurelion Sol’s relation to the the Targonians like someone who owns a pet elephant. That animal is a LOT more powerful than them, they just have a way to get it to do what they want. But that’s just my interpretation. I could be totally wrong, it’s just what I’ve come up with while reading the lore.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Nagakaborous _slightly_ stronger than Aurelion Sol? According to the only quote of a Rioter we have in that matter, Nagakaborous is **massively** stronger than Aurelion Sol, actually so much stronger that he can't even fully grasp the difference of power between them. Nagakaborous should probably have a tier all for herself/himself/itself? above all of these you mentioned. In general, people here in the boards tend to massively overestimate Aurelion Sol. For example, Zoe, which represents an aspect (which in your list would be a lower tier than Aurelion Sol) got stated to be on the same power level like him.
We are talking about greater gods. A “slight advantage” between them could still be as large as the gap between them and a regular human. Like, 10,000,000 vs 11,000,000 is only a small advantage to one side, but when you realize everyone else is playing around in the 10,000’s and a regular human is a .1, suddenly that 1,000,000 advantage seems a lot larger. See what I’m getting at? (That scale is completely arbitrary and may not reflect actual gaps in power. Also, give me some time to find the quote. I’ve yet to have anyone link either comment to me, but I know that I’ve heard people say both before. I also personally use official Universe lore, avoiding Rioters comments since it’s a bit more changeable than the already mutable lore pages. That’s not necessarily the best way, but it’s how I approach the lore. My only current argument for Nagakaburos being only a little stronger is this: the void want to see the end of all things. That would stop motion, putting them at odds with the Elder God. If he was that much more powerful than Aurelion Sol, the watchers and void threat would be inconsequential and stamped out. It would ruin the story because any threat to the universe would simply be swatted away by a giant tentacle of doom. That’s far from a strong case, but narratively it makes the most sense to me.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fULKH6Mn,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T19:53:33.186+0000) > > You used the argument that she saved Runeterra, so I do believe it is in my right to use the argument that she almost doomed it as well. > > Besides, she didn't seal the Watchers with her own powers, she did so with powers that they had given her. > > If anything, her ability to seal the Watchers shows nothing of "her" powers, as they weren't even hers at all, rather it shows how powerful the Watchers were. > > Also, as I said to Smurf Mage, I didn't imply that Lissandra didn't do anything impressive *at all,* rather that she didn't do any *that* impressive in comparison to the Aspects. You are completely and utterly out of sync with her lore and the freljord lore. Please reread everything before you talk. Its INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING when someone talks about somehting they obviously have 0 idea about. Oh ye and lets just forget about when Scath said Lissandra is EXCEPTIONALLY (he used all caps) gifted...................................................................................................................................
I just like how both Lissandra and Morgana show that despite being given power by another source, that doesn’t make you its slave. Both resist their origins, Lissandra the watchers and Morgana her Sister
: Gods of Runeterra
Just a quick reminder to everyone still reading the comments: please be respectful and kind. The lore is extremely ambiguous right now, and there are many interpretations of it, which was Riots entire design philosophy for it. People may have vastly different opinions on what they use as Cannon or how strong a given individual is.
: To those who never get chat restricted or suspended, how do you do it?
Well, the following: * don’t swear * Talk about bad plays, not bad people (“that play was trash” vs “your trash”) * The glorious mute button. Activate it the moment someone is remotely toxic. * focus on complimenting dumb stuff like “nice escape” or “good csing under pressure”. Once people identify you as a source of positive energy, they want to be nice back. {{sticker:sg-kiko}}
: Hardest Decision for Supports
https://i.redd.it/3wnacnvz6eqz.jpg Personally, this is how I approach support
: Aren't Aspects (the ones who grant power to the mortals, not the mortals themselves) Celestials? Why aren't they as powerful as {{champion:432}} and {{champion:16}} , who are also Celestials?
Bard is strange just because his lore is very ambiguous. As for sorraka, her newest rendition of lore is that she is an Aspect that took on a mortal form to help others, so she’s a medium god that weakened herself a bit.
: I think you overestimate the power of demigods like Ornn, Volibear, and Anivia. They are weaker than strong Ascended/Darkin. Here's a comment from WAAARGHbobo from the [Aatrox AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/): > But yeah-- he is a badass capable of killing "gods" like Orrn etc... And has in the past (even before being a darkin) There are weaker Ascended/Darkin out there, but Azir, Nasus, Renekton, and Aatrox are all close to "perfect", while Xerath is able to keep up with them because of his raw power. Since Aspects (the humans ones) are weaker or more powerful than Ascended/Darkin on a case by case basis, I think they are generally above the Freljordian demigods as well.
I could be over estimating their power that’s true. I do think their a bit stronger than a normal demi-god though, largely because of some recent lore. Ornn and Volibear fight was described as changing the terrain, while Anivia was capable of creating the icy environment of the Fejlord. While their folk tales, of their true, these are a LOT more powerful than most other Demi-gods. Volibears most recent lore showed that despite being defeated, he still existed to some extent, something an Ascended or Chosen can’t really do. That’s just my opinion though. Lore is open to interpretation in this regard. I personally don’t use anything besides what’s on universe, but that isn’t necessarily the best way since Rioters share a lot of awesome insights.
: Btw where did you get that Nasus vs Renekton gif?
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=fULKH6Mn,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-08T08:58:06.807+0000) > > Btw where did you get that Nasus vs Renekton gif? Google searched “Nasus Renekton deviantart” and it pulled it up
SSmotzer (NA)
: It depends on who you ask really. People who skimmed Shyvana's lore could have either seen the mage or a dragon raising Shyvana. There was so little describing her father in the old lore that it could have gone either way really. It all depends on how Riot wants to take the lore. Do they want Shyvana to meet her human mage father in the future, or do they want Shyvana to meet her elemental dragon father? Clearly Riot has chosen the more exciting path.
Fair enough. I still like some of the characterization of the dad as a dragon becasue it emplies an undraconic like sympathy for his daughter, showing that despite shyvanna being part dragon she didn't have to be like her mother. But you are right, its Riots choice and in the end, we have what we have right now. It's not like the new lore is bad, I just wish they had incorporated dragon dad somehow, even if all he did was pass shyvana off to her mage dad and they both died trying to save her from Yvva
SSmotzer (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ZaneShadow,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=s5LETVUV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T06:33:47.247+0000) > > Dragon dad was still a thing until litterally this last update. Let's see. >For years, Shyvana and her father flew from place to place to escape Yvva's vengeance. As Shyvana grew, she struggled to control her tempestuous emotions and volatile power. Her father helped temper her dragon side, which unleashed a ruthless fury she had inherited from her mother. While in her humanoid form, Shyvana suffered numerous self-inflicted burns as she learned that life could be fragile and not everything could be set aflame without consequence. Occasionally, her dragonfyre activated the runic echo within her, an echo that was intrinsically linked to her mother. There's nothing stopping a mage from flying, or flying on Shyvana. Or training Shyvana's dragon side. >As Shyvana's power grew in strength, Yvva was able to sense her daughter's presence from afar. She found the child alone and taunted Shyvana with tales of her origin, revealing that her true father was a feeble human who had twisted her noble draconic lineage into a disgusting perversion. Her mother would undo what should never have been brought to life, and attacked. I always figured she was just a racist. >Young Shyvana defended herself, but suffered many wounds before her father arrived to save her. He fought with savage fury to give Shyvana time to escape, showing no mercy or restraint to **his former mate**. Ultimately, he succumbed to the heat of Yvva's dragonfyre and was slain. ...Wait. "His former mate." Hmm.... I mean. He could still have been human. Just uh... Hmmm. Maybe Riot did need to update the lore to... clarify some things.
"Yvva recoiled at the hybrid abomination and sought to kill her child - she would not allow such an unnatural thing to pollute her bloodline. But her mate could not allow Shyvana's murder, and after a ferocious battle, Shyvana's father fled with the newborn in tow" We are talking about the dad being close enough that the moment Shyvanna hatched he could intervene to save her. So unless the dragon that was about to murder her own daughter because she was half human decided to mate with a full human and let that human live in her nest, her dad was a dragon. There are also refrences like flying and fighting with Savage fury. Ya, thats note explicit, but anyone reading that would come up with her dad being a dragon, especially since those exact characteristics are used to express Shyvanna's dragon side later on in the story.
Terozu (NA)
: Nagakabouros is actually explicitly more powerful than ASol and currently the most powerful known lore being, Bard is at least as powerful if not more so than Asol. Zoe also potentially rivals ASol. Also, ASol is also NOT A GOD. He is immensly powerful and able to create stars, but he's just a Star Dragon. Volibear Anivia and Or not are all Demigods. Zoe is also probably as if not more powerful than Xerath Azir. Ascension is essentially a shortcut to having been merged with an Aspect for a long period of time, making Zoe a 'natural' ascended whereas Xerath and Azir are 'artificial'.
I won't say your wrong, since the lore really is open to interpretation in this regards. I'll just explain some of my thinking. Nakabouros has been stated only by Rioters, not in universe, to be stronger than Aurelion sol. Someone else beat you to the punch there, explaining one declared the gap to be massive while another only slightly gave the edge to our Squid God. It's these kind of discrepancies that led me to simply making him the question mark of the God world rather than explicitly declaring him a Greater God. Aurellion Sol is basically a god. Apollo litterally just had a chariot as the sun and he was a god to the greeks, I think the Giant Space Dragon that makes consetlations for fun probably qualifies as a God. Especially when we consider Nagaka a God and a rioter only put him slightly stronger than our boy A Sol. I would declare Zoe and all the chosen stronger except for one thing: https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/twilight-of-the-gods/ The chosen of twilight all but confirms direct confrontation with the Ascended is a bad idea, needing to come up with an alternative method for defeating the remaining Darkin. Zoe is deffinitly older than the Ascended, but age doesn't always = power, otherwise Nasus would be more powerful than Azir since Azir was dead for most of the time after his empire fell. These are just my opinions though. I've read the lore, compared what we know, and come to these conclusions. Riot could release an article tommorow that blows a hole through my entire theory, but for now I think it holds up pretty well. Everything is still very flexible and means its hard to be wrong right now, so long as reliable sources are used. Thank you for sharing though. I love hearing other ways of thinking and it was fun to hear what you had to say.
: Tbh most of our Aspect host champs aren't demigod tier in powerlevel and are just empowered humans (they arent old enough to be powerfull enough. The only one who is old enough is Zoe).
Eh, I think the fact their getting juiced by medium gods helps boost them into that tier. Taric's flavor story is he stands between two armies and fights both at the same time to protect an endangered species of plant. That sounds pretty similar to what we hear the Ascended doing. I don't think all the Chosen are that powerful, but I think they range from the middle to lower levels of power among demi-gods. Their deffinitly not up there with the likes of Azir or Xerath, who reign at the top of the Demi-God spectrum, but they help fill out some of the more "normal" levels of power for a Demi-god
: Some champions and points I'd like to bring up are: - {{champion:432}} - probably the most cut and dry of the list. Was confirmed by several members of the lore team that he's just as powerful as Aurelion, if not slightly more so. I think the most clear example of Bard and Sol being equal is how the Aurelion seems to at the very least respect the Wandering Caretaker something he doesn't even show to the beings that have literally got him enslaved at the moment. - Nagakaburos - I've seen two Rioters' statements about the strength of the bearded lady. One said that Naga is massively more powerful than Sol stating that comparing the two was like comparing a dung beetle to the theory of relativity, whilst another said the difference in power likely wasn't as big as that, but still gave the edge to Naga. - {{champion:203}} - is a somewhat interesting case and their power is ambiguous at most. It's basically been confirmed at this point that they are the physical manifestation of death, however the extent of their reach is not know. Are there other embodiments of death on other worlds? If a celestial being died, would they meet Kindred or an even stronger form of death? Then it basically comes down to how you as an individual would rate the power of death. To some it is a creeping inevitability that eventually consumes all living beings no matter how great or small. To others it is merely the ending is simply the ending and has no direct influence on someone's life until this point and an even smaller influence on reality as a whole. Not to mention how in the LoL universe resurrection is entirely possible, whether through blood magic like Sion, rebirth like Anivia or becoming undead like Karthus. - {{champion:223}} - honestly one of the more underrated "powerhouse" characters in the game. Whilst definitely not a top tier God by any means, the upper echelon of his power is quite impressive. Some of his notable feats include time travel, reviving the dead and even offered to help get Lissandra out of her deal with the watchers. Just some of my thoughts, what do you think?
I agree with a lot of what you shared, thak you for finding all of this With Bard, i very much agree with you. Even reading his bio, he is a defender of the fabric of the universe, which puts him at odds with the watchers. The fact there is still a runeterra means only one thing about that contest of might: Bard is winning. I'd probably lean more towards Nagakburos being just a little stronger than Aurelion Sol, rather than "dung beatle to relativity". That makes sense for two reasons. 1. Nagakaburos is hte God of motion, something hte universe is constantly in, but that doesn't make him the god of the universe. 2. If Nagaka was that much more powerful, the void would litterally be irrelevant, since they seek the end of all things, drawing Nagaka's full wrath. He'd be able to snuff them out if he was that much stronger than Aurelion Sol. Only reason I don't make it official that He's a greater god is that we don't have any official lore on Universe about it, meaning its so changeable its unreliable. I love how you word that "their power is ambiguous at most". I usually rank Kindred as a middle god, since death is a universal aspect of being alive. I do put her at the upper levels of that tier though, since we are talking about something even the aspects can't resist: death. Someone else brought up the demons and it deffinitly made me pause. their powers are very undefined, but I hesitate to make them demi-gods for one reason: scale. Demi-gods are usually able to exhert their influence or presence over many people, inspiring unnatural fear or awe from their presence. Demons only ever target one person at a time, even if their feeding from multiple people. The one exception I've seen to this is Nocturne, who took out an entire town with his powers. I'm not saying that Tahm and Eve aren't demi-gods, just that if they are, they are in the lower tiers of that group. That's just my opinion though. Something I've learned is that the lore can be interpreted pretty differently depending on who you ask. Someone did one of these kinds of posts on the void recently and they thought of things I had never put together before. It's my favorite part of being able to watch the lore evolve while its still young and flexible: there are so many ways that the world could move.
: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
While I think the post is a bit dramatic, I do find it funny they had a different bio saved in their files than what the rest of us had. I think that its more a minor hickup and as long as they plan on revisiting it and fixing it up so we have the best of both worlds, I don't really care. I am sad to see dragon dad disappear, considering it was pretty cool that he cared for shyvanna despite her human form. Maybe we can get him back before too long.
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: Why all the hubbub now? Her outcast dragon father was retconned two years ago.
> [{quoted}](name=SSmotzer,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=s5LETVUV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-08T06:27:48.922+0000) > > Why all the hubbub now? > > Her outcast dragon father was retconned two years ago. Dragon dad was still a thing until litterally this last update.
: My take on the Updated Shyvana Lore and why it is a major downgrade to her character
I will agree a lot of what you said * the time Jarvan and Shyvanna had together was too short * Shyvanna and Yvanna's relationship is woefully unexplored * The mage dad was killed pretty anticlimatically I do kinda miss dragon dad, considering it was one of those amazing moments where a minor character showed some serious virtue and saved Shyvana from her mother. I don't mind Mage Dad, but there is a much weaker feeling since we hardly learn anything about him, while Dragon dad we feel instantly connected to the moment Shyvanna is born.
: Zed Emote: Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru
I havent seen this before, i thought it was funny
EdgeLady (NA)
: You forgot a big one: {{champion:432}}. He's definitely close to {{champion:136}} in terms of greatness, though perhaps not raw power (he seems to be more about knowledge than being a creation god). Nagakebouros is probably a greater god; he seems like an omnipresent one, like Kindred but even more present in the universe.
That is true. Bard is deffinitly a Greater God, but I'd pause before saying he's not a heavy hitter. His powers might be a bit more abstract and mystical than Aurelion Sol's brute force, but the dude is the guardian of the fabric of reality. He deals with the likes of the watchers and the fact there is still a runeterra: he's winning. I want to say Nagakabouros is a greater god, its just there is litterally 0 information about what exactly they are the god of. If their litterally the god of motion, then easily a Greater God, since the stars, planets and universe are constantly in motion. But if its more like individual progression and not holding back, then that would drop him squarely into Medium god territory. So, I just leave a big question mark next to him and let other people decided where they want him to fit. Kinda true for a few others too. Thank you for reading! I love talking about the lore and am glad when peope share stuff that i hadn't thought too much about.
: Very insightful and helpful as a quick analysis! Good job with this post. Although a couple of questions: Do Kayle and Morgana technically fall under the category of demi-gods? What about Lissandra and the Iceborn, since it might have been implied that they were blessed with the power of the Watchers? Or would they just be humans with magic? What about Kindred? Perhaps they fall under the category of Lesser Gods, or even Medium Gods if they exist across multiple worlds. And do demons like Evelynn and Tahm Kench, or beings of the spirit realm like Vasthayshai’rei belong in this category, or are they completely separate from Gods? Okay... Maybe that wasn't just a couple of questions... But still, what do you think?
I would still put Morgana and Kayle under demi-gods. While the chain is a little longer, their powers were still gifted to them. I'd guess their in the upper eshelons of the tier, but don't quite make it. The gap between lesser gods and demi-gods power gets a little blurred in these cases and its more of a personal judgement call. I'd put Kindred as a Medium god. They do clearly have a presence on other worlds (assuming things die on other worlds) and also have the characteristic where their never "physcially there". They appear in spirit or form, but you wouldn't see them walking around or even a singular location. Thats pretty characteristic of the only other medium gods we know of. This ones a bit strange because we never see them flex their powers, but other things kinda hint at where they fit in. I'd say the biggest hint at them being medium gods is their embodiment of a universal principle: death. As for deamons and spirit creatures, I'm not sure. From how their described, I'd guess that some make it into the lower ranks of the Demi-Gods, but most fall short. For example, I have a hard time picturing Evelynn being much of a challenge to someone like Diana or Renekton. Their increadibly powerful, but they aren't really able to compete up against the gods. Tahm Kench and Nocturne seem to be deamons that have fed enough off of human suffering to start reaching the lower levels of the tier. Some others such as Zyra (a plant spirit that gained a body) have the power to morph entire landscapes over long periods of time, puting her up there with Azir near the top of the Demi-God tier. A really confusing one is Iven. Ivern wasn't just gifted part of a God's power, but all of it, litterally becoming the God of Nature. However, it's clear that the God exists in some form in the back of his subconcious, still guiding him. I personally put him at the low end of the Lesser gods as a result, but as he and the Nature god become more intertwined, he'll probably continue to grow. Basically, the lower down you go, the blurier things get. I'd say the best way to tell if something reaches the ability to be "god tier" is if you could picture them competing against the likes of a weaker ascended, like the ones that we read about being tricked by Zoe's predecessor. If it seems like they could fight them and not be outmatched, they probably are at least a Demi-god That's just my opinion though, not necessarily the doctrine of what entry into Demi-god tier means.
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