: Will You Remove Mordekaiser's Heavy Metal Ability Reference?
I think they brought the Lissandra monologue back after a lot of requests for it, actually. But I seriously hope they keep his heavy metal references, even if it requires the names to be changed to other heavy metal songs, which may actually be better.
: I mean, anything is possible, but she's not as dated as Ezreal or Morgana were in terms of looks or VO. There are many older champions, like Veigar, Teemo, Sona, etc, who would benefit from a VU much more than Ahri.
To be completely honest I just want Udyr to get a VU. I don't care about his gameplay, but his visuals are disgustingly bad.
: Monthly Reminder That Twisted Treeline is a Stain on League of Legends
This is the monthly reminder that Twisted Treeline even exists.
: soo you lose like 125hp after building it ok and you also make the build path worst since it will take longer to get the components of it.
You don't have to get the components of an item, and the item is meant to be for late game tanks with AP heavy teams. It's not meant to be rushed as a first item.
: Can we at LEAST have a rotating game mode consistently instead of once every two months
: > [{quoted}](name=aaaustindestroy1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ecpi6pz3,comment-id=000900000000000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T00:24:18.893+0000) > > Copyright doesn't matter when a company uses it for a quick buck. I know source code can have a copyright, but why even risk it? If Company A releases some of their source code and Company B uses it to really quickly cash in on it and make as much money as possible before being taken down, then that's still a loss to Company A. but company A can sue company B for all damages and profit made from that source code. That's how copyrighting works; If someone steals it, not only do they pay the damages but they also pay the earnings of the infringement.
And then - get this - they have to prove that the source code was used. Good luck doing that, unless you're Bethesda vs. the creators of Westworld.
: I can't be the only person thinking this obvious truth, right?
Just saying that Katarina has a lot of counterplay. Her biggest one is obviously hard CC but that's for every champion excluding Olaf. You can also simply walk away from her daggers while in lane, and if she can't get a kill in lane then you have nothing to worry about late game.
: A copyright can protect source code, you know. If someone decompiles it and reuses it with so many changes that it can't be claimed a copyright infringement, then there's no issue. People think both 'open source' and 'source code' mean 'lack of any copyright or right to make money off of it' and that's flat-out wrong. They would not lose anything by releasing - at the very least - the numbers and maybe a few lines of code to prove to people that it doesn't match them w/ an addiction-based model, but instead does so fairly.
Copyright doesn't matter when a company uses it for a quick buck. I know source code can have a copyright, but why even risk it? If Company A releases some of their source code and Company B uses it to really quickly cash in on it and make as much money as possible before being taken down, then that's still a loss to Company A.
: People already exploit the matchmaking to the N'th degree. Do you think that's a justified reason for not showing any of it's source code to people, even if it's just the numbers and where they go? People already abuse broken B.S only ever good against low-rank people. People already get to ranks they don't deserve via the meta. People already trade LP at a gain. They already abuse the system as far as the abuse will take them. Showing us how and why we're placed as we are, with who we are, will at worst allow people to predict who they fight next (in an extreme case.)
Source code is a very, very valuable piece of information for a video game company, because if they release that source code, another company can use that source code for free. That is, quite obviously, NOT something a company wants.
BigFBear (EUW)
: Dude are you fucking kidding me? I checked your account. This is no rank shaming but if you are this low + 43% winrate you should check your gameplay instead pointing towards others. You have an average CS around 0,7 per MINUTE(!!) in all roles. I mean WTF? This is actually trolling! How can you have 9 minion kills in 28 minutes as Ahri?! No one can be that bad! And this isn't only in one of your games... It's in almost all of your games! It's always funny if you see a post like this, then check the account and realize what a troll the OP is. How DARE you call others bad and garbage ADCs when you are the most garbage one. Unbelievable! Actually you should be banned or at least get a restriction for this.
Okay, so, I was at first skeptical about this post - then I check the op.gg and see he has more CS on Pyke than he does on Teemo. ?????????????????
: > [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TP1kZr2u,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-24T07:55:04.466+0000) > > And they removed your ability to buy wards (don't remember the item) and on top of that gave junglers to buy early oracle trinket and having duskblade also give them the ability to destroy wards. We have more anti-ward items than ward items. Same with damage, really "Sightstone". The item that you are thinking of, used to be called "Sightstone".
And don't forget Tracker's Knife. (Was it Tracker's Knife? I don't remember the name, but it was the Jungler's Sightstone)
: Garen Should be Removed or Fixed in Urf
I'm pretty sure they never fixed the bug where his E does double damage when you spam it on and off. It's completely toxic to every single game he's in, and there's nothing you can do about it either because he WILL run you down regardless of what champion you are.
: Katarina is in somewhat in a sad state right now
I remember seeing Scarra make that famous 1v5 play on old Katarina, where he waited right on the bush by bot lane for the enemy team to come around the corner and ulted them all and got a ton of damage and then just obliterated them - THAT's what got me into Katarina. However, now she doesn't do that. She relies entirely on {{item:3146}} and her daggers, but her daggers don't do anything anymore and Gunblade is an unhealthy item for the game.
: Nerf katarina please (or gunblade) just a bit damage down :)
Her damage is too high, agreed. It’s enough that people complain about her being mobile, and now with a lot of damage she might be pickban in low-mid ELO, up until the point people realize you can just buy Adaptive Helm.
: 7 item requirement considering you can only hold 6... hmmm
Change Armguard so that it takes up the Trinket slot, ez pz
Rioter Comments
nelogis (EUW)
: What do you mean "debating the bug"? There is nothing to debate, if it is bugged it's bugged. I just asked when the hell a Titanic Hydra user gets to 4.0 attack speed to even encounter this bug. It's like saying Zeds Q damage isn't calculated right when he has over 1200 AP. Yeah it's a bug and it sucks but when the fuck does that happen?
It happens at all attack speeds, not just 4.0 attack speed. If you have any extra attack speed from any source at all, which is most likely most bruisers that build Titanic since they also build Triforce, you'll notice the bug once you use the Titanic active.
: [GAMEPLAY] Xerath- chanelling his Q, sometimes, will not do anything
This happens to me too with Pyke and other channeled abilities. Just press the ability again when you want to cast it, worked for me.
: Losing lane because you got camped hard? *Surprised pikachu* Legit, tho. Camping and Nasus do not mix. Camping against a Nasus does jack shit because you give his jg free reign for not much payoff (since diving Nasus can be incredibly risky due to his sustain, R, and W). Camping for a Nasus doesn't do shit because if his team falls more than a little behind and feeds a champion he doesn't invalidate by virtue of existing (Basically meaning Yasuo and squishy divers), or if they have a decent comp and their ADC and support (specifically if they have a tank support) get fed, he won't be able to split because his team can't hold their own while he does so, and he won't be able to teamfight because he'll be kited to death. Nasus is beaten or wins lanes by a *few* ganks, just enough to start a snowball one way or the other. You *will* lose if you camp him (either as his jg or as the enemy jg), because camping him as an ally is a waste of time, and camping him as an enemy means you let his team run free with the map. Get his opponent snowballing against him by a kill or two, then get his *team* shat on. A Nasus without a team is borderline useless, since he'll have nobody to enable him in a teamfight, and his team will be too weak to let him split.
It's refreshing to see someone that actually, legitimately knows what they're talking about instead of ranting about anything and everything because they can.
iSennª (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R4ZFhZn6,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-03T02:32:57.886+0000) > > Do the math and you’ll see I applied the 40% missing hp before the base damages. > > And fine. I’ll do the math for garens q as well. > > We are gonna say 200 ad at eh level 12. So garen has triforce and steriks. (Not exact, but it’s rounded down) > He also has roughly 2150 hp > > Grasp of the undying = 4% max hp > 86 damage. > > Triforce proc = 200% base ad > Base ad 110.3x2 = 220.6. 220 > > Rank 5 q = 150(+40% ad) + auto attack damage. > 200+150+80+86+220 = 716 damage. You forget one thing... if he have triforce, he doesn,t have black cleaver and you didn,t take in consideration defense. Sorry but Garen doesn't do 700 damage per Q. I know it, I've mained Garen for multiple seasons.
Your name is Quinn is Bae. OP.gg reports that you haven't played Garen at all this season, and have played nothing but Quinn for quite a while. Don't make a claim if you don't have the evidence to support it ...
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R4ZFhZn6,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-02T21:00:51.339+0000) > > Garen’s Ult does not require you to be low health. And if you are marked as a villain it does true damage, > So hexdrinker does not work. Not to mention how shit an item hex drinker is into garen. > > 525 + 40% missing hp damage. > > Let’s say you are gangplank, with about 2000 hp. You get hit with garens q with triforce. 700 damage > 1300 left > He presses r. > 40% missing is roughly 300 > 1000 left > 525 ult damage > 425 > > You were hit by 2 undodgeabke > Abilities. LMAO that's assuming that garen can even touch gp, vayne most certainly would kill go faster unless go got lucky and barreled her. You seem to be implying lvl 16 or higher at that point. But at that point ho has more than 2k HP and garens q doesn't deal true damage, so it's possible with ninja tabi or guardian angel, etc that garen q wouldn't even deal that kind of damage. Also, garen can choose who is the villain and there can only be one villain. Vayne gets insane percent hp WITHOUT LIMITS OTHER THAN ATTACK SPEED, DYING, OR RUNNING. aka, she, as a super mobile, ranged champ, with self peel, can proceed that on every champ during a fight, on a basic ability.........and raheblade passive only makes it stronger. Stop ying and pretending g that garen is even comparable for the sake of your argument. To make it worse, if gp is fed enough in the late game to be villain, he's probably a decent gp with triforce and some crit, in which case he will totally kite, barrel, troll, and delete garen because garen had no outplay mechanics without flash...unlike vayne
Garen cannot choose the Villain. The Villain is the player on the enemy team with the most recent kill. (Unless they changed it recently and I missed that).
iSennª (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Avious,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R4ZFhZn6,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-02-03T08:59:10.765+0000) > > I think removing the interaction with stacking passives would fix the item. That way we get to keep the extra damage for Varus, Kaisa etc without breaking their passives *COUGHVAYNECOUGH* > After all, it's a very core item for the likes of Kalista and Kog, both of which are finally at an ok state and would be hell trying to rebalance them without it. > > Just my two cents. It's easier to balance champion kit if they really need it than it is to balance an item for a wide diversity of champion..
Just because something's easier doesn't mean it's better. With balancing you need to target the source of the issue rather than the issue itself. For example, if you want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers, you wouldn't ban sober drivers from driving, you'd ban drunk drivers and put laws in place to prevent that. It's a similar line of reasoning here.
nelogis (EUW)
: ER gives 50% Jax passive lvl 18 fully stacked gives 88% That puts him on 2.83 attack speed which is actually 2.5 because you cant go over the cap with those 2 alone. You also need Rageblade and Lethal tempo AND THEN you also want to buy a fucking Titanic Hydra?! In what world does that happen lad? With that build you are going to get popped like a baloon by anything that doesn't need to auto attack you. Not to mention you don't have Conq to shred to anything so anything with a little MR/Armor will tank you enough so his team can mop the floor with you. If you want to play "suicide mission jax" just play Rengar or Shaco.
Why are you debating the logistics of a 4.0 attack speed bruiser instead of debating the bug behind the item, which happens at all attack speeds?
Emo Twink (OCE)
: i would die for you
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the significance of Spideraxe?
Häxel (EUW)
: Does no one here sees that Spear of shojin is just current Essense Reaver?
That's the point, it's removed from Essence Reaver and put onto Spear. Spear's stats are more desirable for someone like Xin or Jax, instead of being amazing for champs like Yi and Lucian.
: Why it's not Summoner anymore?
Because before the big lore shift, the League of Legends was a real, canonical location. They'd take champions from across Runeterra and try to contain them (because if you think about it, a massive mountain roaming around isn't a good idea. {{champion:54}} ) and you'd play as a Summoner. However Riot removed that because it wouldn't make sense for a giant star dragon {{champion:136}} to be able to be contained in a jail cell.
: Who's on your list for an Ezreal tier revamp?
I'm fine with a lot of the champions, but Morde needs an update, though he's on the list. What I NEED to see is Udyr. So far I haven't seen anything on him getting a VGU or hell even just a VU. I'm fine with his gameplay, even if it is annoying at times, but by god does he look absolutely atrocious. When you look at someone like Pyke, Neeko, or the new Lucian skin, and then look at Udyr.... It's just ridiculous.
: This comment was awhile ago, however I remember looking at your post history and you commented on another post after I wrote my comment. So, I have no problem asking for a response when you’re blatantly wrong.
That comment was made at about the same time I left the Boards for a while, about 2 months ago. I don't remember the exact day, but just because I replied to a comment after yours does not mean that I'm going to see yours. I'm not "wrong" for replying to a comment and not seeing yours.
GigglesO (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=aaaustindestroy1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXhmdE8k,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-24T21:11:10.174+0000) > > "Cherry pick data" > > He's literally providing evidence that you can see for yourself in-game, every game, He literally just said that it's your fault if you choose to not build defensive options. I don’t know what your games are like but building defense literally gives .1 seconds more survivability.
I never said that defenses were good. I'm saying that he's not cherry picking data like you claimed.
: Not gonna respond or what?
I wasn't on the boards for about 2 months. Trying to reaffirm your masculinity with "you not gonna respond or what" is a low move. Think of better ways to do things, friend.
: https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RecklessPolishedAsianlion-size_restricted.gif
> [{quoted}](name=Attysu The Poro,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=bkgg09dF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-26T23:12:38.100+0000) > > https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RecklessPolishedAsianlion-size_restricted.gif Logged in just to upvote this
: Lead gameplay designer was Meddler. He oversaw the game balance while Scruffy was the lead champion designer who oversaw all reworks/new champions. What GhostCrawler did was put down the direction the game should be headed in. So, if he wanted comebacks to be more achievable, someone on the design team might implement bounties to make that happen. AGAIN. GHOSTCRAWLER DIDNT BALANCE THE GAME
Even if he wasn't the one that balanced the game, he obviously had an affect on how the game turned out. And he legitimately did not play the game in his spare time, like almost ever, he said it himself, and how is that going to help anybody?
: > [{quoted}](name=Sèx Crazed Eve,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fksl9UfE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-24T03:42:13.254+0000) > > I think this falls under the live design team's domain. Not the balance team. Balance team is mostly only responsible for numbers of champions, items, and such. Well, numbers are off... You can't release Jhin as immobile long range "sniper" that has conditional MS boost, so he is not useless when reloads, to become the most mobile champion in the game, running at 700-1000 MS with the broken Stormrazor and the healing mastery. Having healing masteries also ruins all the dynamics in botlane, making healing and poke supports useless...
I think part of Jhin's movespeed is just because every item gives everything nowadays. It used to be where Trinity Force was one of the like 3 versatile item picks and now everything gives what you need. ADC? You need crit, attack speed, and a bit of movespeed. PD, Runaan's, RFC, any zeal item Top? Black Cleaver, Triforce. Jungle? All jungle items give what you need. Support? Redemption, Ardent Censer, etc. Mid? Gunblade, Morellonomicon, Luden's, etc.
GigglesO (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EXhmdE8k,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-24T17:16:35.440+0000) > > Well, if you decide to type into full damage, don't be mad when you take more damage. > > You're given the choice to build defenses or not. You chose not to. You're given the choice to go defensive runes or not. You...also chose not to. Between runes like Boneplating, Overgrowth, and Second Wind, and stat runes for armor and mr, as well as just starting with Doran's Shield, you can be significantly beefier on start if you choose to be. Not saying everyone wants to or needs to start with that much defense, but whether you need it or not is up to you. If you just auto-pilot 20 adaptive dmg...I mean sure, go ahead, but that's not very smart, is it? Try building 3/4 tank items on any non tank/support champ. Come back and post results please. Pics of it didn’t happen. Play 5-10 games that way too so you can’t cherry pick data.
"Cherry pick data" He's literally providing evidence that you can see for yourself in-game, every game, He literally just said that it's your fault if you choose to not build defensive options.
: Balance suggestions! For free!
I have one great suggestion. Please rework LeBlanc, there is no reason anybody should be dying to 2 abilities because of her ult. The whole problem (IMO) with LeBlanc is her ult. I'm fine with her basic abilities, some tuning is needed but I'm not hating on those. What I AM hating on is her ultimate allowing her to have up to 4 blinks, 2 chains, or 4 instances of damage with her Qs. And if Riot doesn't rework LeBlanc, at least reduce her E length. Seriously, that E can span the entire lane and still not break.
: The Yorick nerfs were unfair
If you’re talking about where his ghouls now draw aggro to Yorick, that was a big fix, not a nerf. Other than that, I’m not sure if there’s anything you could be talking about, so if it’s not that, enlighten me.
Ranmiaku (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Aory,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tr6z2TLl,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-19T13:06:17.024+0000) > > https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Zed > > https://u.gg/lol/champions/zed/pro-build/?region=na1 > > I haven't found any evidence to this. Please show me the data that proves that "literally all of the best zed players" build Stormrazor. > ____________________________________ > https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/summoners/zed/na > > The whole Top 10 doesn't buy Stormrazor. I don't understand where you got this statement from. (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2857906346) Rank 5 Zed NA (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2844957286) Rank 2 Zed NA (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2848412144) Rank 4 Zed NA (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2854587401) Rank 6 Zed NA (https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/match/na/2864902289) Rank 8 Zed NA do i Really need to go on? and this is all from the site you linked to say i was wrong
Legitimately the only reason a Zed would EVER build Stormrazor if he's insanely far ahead and really doesn't need anymore damage but just wants a little bit of extra burst to make sure the enemy carries aren't able to do their job. If a zed isn't insanely far ahead, he doesn't build it. It's just not optimal, and not a good item on Zed. Also: Please make sure you link your evidence correctly next time.
: How to crush graves jungle without crushing him in lane (where he's pretty weak and played only by those dedicated to it). Remove. Knockback. Vs monsters. Graves, is the only ranged champion in the game that gets this special treatment to make him jungle. Every other champ in the game with bonus' against jungle monsters, have those to prevent their spells from being broken vs champs (as without vs monsters the spells would need buffs). This stupid passive allows graves to effortlessly, easily and safely clear the jungle fast and healthy. Meanwhile tank/mage clears suck, and leave them at 50% health most of the time.
I think the knockback is too strong vs large monsters but too weak vs small monsters. I think if they reduced it based on monster size it would be good. For example, a Red/Blue buff are knocked back a very short distance, barely even enough to reset their auto attack. A Gromp would be knocked back a medium distance, likely about the same, maybe a bit less. A small Raptor, however, would be knocked back a decent distance. I think this would make him better vs the Raptor and Krug camps, while reducing his effectiveness against large camps. He's able to do his first buff without a leash, even if it isn't optimized that's still a massive achievement that very few other champions can reliably do.
Rαy (EUW)
: As a Pyke player: please do not buff him
I hate that they're treating Pyke as one of the "flashy" champions. I absolutely h*cking LOVE Pyke, but I don't want him to get the treatment that every other "flashy" champion is getting. Also, Katarina is like one of the flashiest champions in the game and yet Riot does nothing to her. Feelsbadman. /s
Eedat (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UuEp7cc8,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-05T17:58:42.262+0000) > > > I honestly wouldnt be surprised if you were D Klein himself with the rate you throw insults at people > Dank Kat ... Daniel Klein... DK.. DK... You've unlocked the chamber of secrets.
: Master Yi has no range, no utility, no durability (except when standing still to Meditate), no roaming mobility, and no base damage. That's why his damage can scale so high without making him overpowered. He's not an on-hit item "abuser", he's just doing what he was designed to do.
He was designed to be an on-hit abuser, even if it happened indirectly. He was designed with "Wuju master that attacks super fast and hurts really hard" in mind. His Q cooldown reduces on an AA, his passive doubles every few auto attacks, and his E adds true damage on hit when activated. Then, his ultimate gives him movespeed AND attack speed. There's nothing about this that DOESN'T say "On-hit champ". His most effective builds are based around abusing on-hit procs and attacking at max attack speed. I never said that he deals massive amounts of damage along with being OP in other ways, but that being so strong in one area to the point where it's oppressive in low-mid ELO shouldn't be a design that's allowed unless he's actually so bad in areas that aren't damage that he's useless. Master Yi's roaming ability does exist, however it is pretty average, but if he gets a kill or two in top/bot lane while his ultimate is activated, then he has enough time to roam mid and get a kill, then roam to the lane he hasn't ganked yet while his ultimate is still up.
Quinzley (EUNE)
: WTF I like Brofresco now.
I hate his clickbait videos but damn there’s a certain level of respect you just can’t get anywhere else, and he hit that mark
: Daniel Z says im not aloud in his space? Fine.
Wait I just realized that DZK is also insulting himself whenever he talks trash about men existing ... :thinking:
: Darkin Concept Zaaxtro The Serrated Blade
Aatrox .... but with a Z. Cool idea though, I’d love to see a champ that can switch between stances that have effects on their existing abilities instead of making new ones.
: ... hm. If it's a recent addition... New champion teaser, perhaps? We saw Zoe's sleepy trouble bubble and Kai'sa's W in places. And it's a very colorful lil' symbol...
Nah, it’s always been like that. I noticed it a year or two ago but never bothered to look into it
: Husk - The Hive Commander (cancelled League of Legends champion)
There's one thing that matters the most to me here - the Heat mechanic. For a long, long, time, Rumble has been the only champion with the Heat mechanic. I would love to see it added to some new champions or maybe even some reworks. It might have even worked on Urgot, although his rework did well without it.
: [CRASH] Game crashes after Champion Select
I'm running into the same problem. It's so frustrating because my PC is fine, there's nothing wrong with it at the moment, and yet League is still crashing every game. It's gotten to the point where it might reduce my Honor levels, so I've had to stop playing until there's a fix announced. A repatch didn't help, a full reinstall didn't help either.
: Isn't it illegal to refuse an acces to a person because of its gender, sexuality, religion, (...)?
Yes and no, businesses don't owe you anything and are allowed to deny service based on whatever they want, as long as it's on the individual level and not "Oh, I don't like [gay people, black people, etc.], they're not allowed to come here." It's a really tricky situation and slippery slope so most businesses tend to shy away from things like that unless the individual is just an ass.
: Thinking about what can be done with Master Yi
I think this is very well thought out, actually. His ult could definitely use some changes, but the E is the biggest problem with his kit. He's an on-hit item abuser, and since his passive stacks itself and Guinsoo's can double that .. Well, we all know where that's going. Because of his E, he deals too much damage with just his auto attacks. True damage on-hit is fine on paper, since it helps him deal with tanks, but it's not fine when he starts abusing it to deal 2k true damage in the span of two or three seconds. At that point, the only thing you can do is stack health and hope you can deal enough damage to kill him before he kills you.
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Out of your ENTIRE list, only Azir, Teemo, and Kayle are oriented around DPS. Every single other champion is pure burst damage, unless Corki builds AD. Because all of those mages are burst-oriented, of COURSE they're going to have trouble fighting a tank with pure MR. And even then, even if THEY can't kill someone, that doesn't mean that the rest of their team isn't going to be able to. Also, very few of those champions have high DPS, unless they're centered around DPS or are Heimerdinger. In your AD list, Pyke does not deal damage on his own unless he is insanely fed, and even then he's not going to do anything to a tank. Hell, he has trouble against squishies a lot of the time. Pyke DOES NOT deal damage. Jhin is DPS-Burst, and he's a special case. And he does not deal high enough damage, unless he has lethality and armor penetration, to kill a tank quickly. Kayn only deals burst damage when he's in Shadow form, otherwise he is a bruiser and is built off sustain. Even when he's in Shadow form, he can't do much to a tank unless he's fed. Kha'Zix, Lee'Sin, Miss Fortune, Nocturne, Pantheon, Rengar, Shaco, Talon, Wukong, and Zed all have to be fed to a ridiculous level to be able to kill a tank on their own in the time that you're suggesting. Every single one of those AD champions also build Lethality instead of just straight up AD. They're built to deal high damage to squishies and have trouble against tanks, and they DO. They have a lot of trouble killing tanks, unless, again, they're fed.
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