Xidphel (NA)
: Wrong person. I stopped trying to reason with someone who refuses to believe they might be wrong and started posting shit memes because i no de wey. Besides, I remember a thread similar to this from a year or 2 ago. Ended the same way. He didnt no de way and the thread didn't go anywhere.
nah i can admit im wrong but i know im not in this case
: Kid, we're here since 2015. We've seen thousands of threads like this one. He ask for it because he wants permission from you since it's your own personal logs. He only just revealed it to us because you desperately kept on nitpicking chat logs which YOU think is toxic instead of posting the whole thing. I'm very sure your full logs can literally be found by logging into your account or your email that's linked to your account. You could've just post the whole thing if you wanted more people to trust you. The next time someone talks shit at you, mute them, not reply back like an idiot. Talking back more crap does absolutely nothing.
first off do not call me kid you idiot and second off you can not mute someones actions in game
Xidphel (NA)
: he dosent kno de wey
i think you already have....... no way... im not wrong.
: > well thats all i can find the rest of it Liar liar pants on fire.
uh nah i dont lie about things i posted the worst of the worst of what i did and just under this is the entirety of what happened on my end ..... you dont get what is happening on the other end ..... or before the match and that is actually when the issue happened was during champ select this person who got assigned support did not play support.. and im not talking not a support champion .... picking an off meta champion as support can work and its fine with me .... nothing wrong there but when we are supposed to be working together and you get assigned support that means you dont just take any farm you can get and bully your teammate out of lane. that is what was wrong about the situation.
: > i would have posted that if i could have found it You think we're stupid? This isn't the 1st time people like you edit out logs like that when you can already visibly view the whole thing from your account & email.
no there is a chat log of the entirety of what i said above by a rioter not by me you really should be more observant. he asked for it when he had it the whole time .... i even posted what i was banned for and there is no context in it and the word has several meanings. please in the future do a bit of research before you spout off your mouth about how i modified my chat logs and im the worst kind of person in league because its not true im actually a really good person who fights for what is right for not just me but for anybody.
Jo0o (NA)
: Worst thread in a while. Have the basic decency to at least accept that you fucked yourself over in this situation, don't insult us all by trying to excuse this behavior.
nah its a relevant thread on what is actually happening in league of legends and again opinions are opinions and just that but what is right is right and anyone who says that im wrong and should be punished for this is wrong. im also not claiming what i did was right but the fact of the matter is there is a larger problem in the game than verbal slurs but thats mainly what riot punishes.
: Keep it up Pally and you're not going to have an account to complain about {{item:3073}} You're stacking in record time!
its not against the summoners code to be wronged and voice your opinion on the forums about an incredibly negative experience and expect the right thing to be done about it. especially if im not "hurting" people with my words because again words dont hurt people physically but actions can do that and that is my point the gangplank took wrongful action because he didnt get what he wanted and it hurt my gaming experience
Xidphel (NA)
: >it does not matter to me what you think unless its supporting my cause Here you go again with your "I'm right you're wrong because I say so" mentality. That's not something to bring to a board that doesn't share your view. Not even something to bring to a DISCUSSION board. It goes nowhere in both cases. Your problem is that you believe your opinions are superior to the opinion of a community and people should believe you and adapt to your views. Respectively, they aren't they don't and they won't. The community's views outweigh your own views and you agreed to adapt to them.
no im right not because i say so but because of events that happened and logic that i bring up that is well to say the least not backwards
: Correct any of these id they are wrong: 1. Gangplank went to the lane he was assigned, bot. Yes. 2. Gangplank played in the lane he was assigned, bot. Yes. 3. Gangplank still played to win. Yes. By Riots standards, he was playing off meta. Which is perfectly fine. He is under no obligation to play the way you want him to play. Now that won't excuse any flaming he may have done, but if you reported him; then you have done the right thing. As far as helping without being asked; have you ever seen the Incredibles? There is this scene where a man is trying to commit suicide and gets saved, resulting in pain. He sued the heroes because he didn't want help.
the last one is not true he was playing the game not as the role he was chosen for and to mess me up he was wrong in doing so and should be punished and i did nothing but stand up for myself
: > [{quoted}](name=badpally,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=j4J490OP,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2018-01-08T20:42:07.826+0000) > > and you are posting this because? its kinda irrelevant to the situation Because, just maybe, you are actiling like the Teemo in the video? You didn't like what someone else was doing, would not shut up about it, and then tried to act like the victim. Learn some self control, and take responsibility for your own action.
not true i dont expect everyone to play a support champion if they get support but i do expect someone in the support role to not ruin the game and act as a support .... not taking farm and harassing enemy champs to help the role i was chosen for to be able to do their job mid and late game.
Xidphel (NA)
: To be fair, he wasn't THE problem; Gp annoyed him and caused him to react. He was A problem; He reacted.
im not saying i was not a problem it is true but after several games of it happening over the course of one day pretty much gandi would have reacted to that
de ke c (NA)
: you are delusional on levels that shouldn't even exist
not really my logic is pretty tight if you ask me but ya know you have the right to your misinformed opinion just as much as the rest of the people.
: It's a couple years old, but I'm just going to post this: [I'm the Victim: League of Legends How to Annoy #13](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXiAayQ8KRA&index=13&list=PLRILbAMFFjpylaGy_c9EAVyL2oPMtS4ol)
and you are posting this because? its kinda irrelevant to the situation
Xidphel (NA)
: >what i did was nothing absolutely nothing in comparison And that's when the rest of your phrase stops being relevant. It's not about who's worse, it's about who's bad. Besides, even if it did matter, playing off meta is not wrong.
im not arguing that it is wrong im saying its wrong to go into a lane when you are assigned to a support role and not fill that role. example support gangplank would have been fine buy a relic shield and harass the enemies with your q but that is not what happened and that is what is so wrong with this whole situation people are taking a stand against me because they can only see the chat logs that i posted .... not his and not listening to what i say because im being pegged as a liar. but again honestly it does not matter to me what you think unless its supporting my cause. you can have your opinion but that does not mean that your opinion is not well informed and it certainly does not mean that your opinion is right.
badpally (NA)
: i believe it was the enemy vayne telling me she was going to report me for not being in my lane. when again i went to lane and he was not playing the role as support by taking 4 out of 6 farm off the first wave and not just because i was going to miss them or because im bad at farming. its because he was toxic and they did not see him saying he was not going to support if he did not get the top lane that he wanted
i still tried that game by farming where he was not going to harass me by intentionally going after any farm i was going after so i went into the jungle and the kayne was at the very least alright with it because as far as i know he knows what i was going through
Xidphel (NA)
: Calling for report is harassment. Also, according to this line >he deserved to be reported by every person in that game He deserved to be reported once because as I mentioned, 11=1 in this case. People say 9 but I keep hexakill in mind. Now as you said, you don't see chat from other people in your logs. Now, I'll grant you that gp deserved the report. People who ruin games for others deserve punishment and judging from your logs and the more than 120 posts here, it's clear he ruined yours so I don't care about what he has to say. My interest are in the enemy team. >[7:51] [All] badpally (Jinx): im doing nothing >[12:55] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea because im the one who tried to get someone to trade roles with me >[14:22] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea because im breaking the summoners code all over the place Experience tells me that someone called you out at those parts. I'm interested in those parts.
i believe it was the enemy vayne telling me she was going to report me for not being in my lane. when again i went to lane and he was not playing the role as support by taking 4 out of 6 farm off the first wave and not just because i was going to miss them or because im bad at farming. its because he was toxic and they did not see him saying he was not going to support if he did not get the top lane that he wanted
: Nope. You are. Tantrum just proved it. Regardless if you think you are or not, the fact remains you're the problem. You cannot talk your way out of it, you never could and you never will. Thanks Tantrum for exposing you to who you truly are.
but really im not regardless of what you think being mistreated in game is not acceptable in any way and im the victim and i have the right to be angry over transgressions.
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=badpally,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=j4J490OP,comment-id=000c0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-08T20:04:28.154+0000) > > but i get punished and the other guy gets off with no punishment for ruining games for others i mean like ive said time and time again i uphold the summoners code and i do not sign up for roles that im not even good at let alone do not want to play. its simple he qued up for a role he was not going to play no matter what for a reduced que time and ruined the game for everyone and did not get punishment for it. in fact if i did mean it in the term that is being taken it would be an insult to my friends of that nature and i would not use it in that context How do you know that the other guy got off scott free? Answer: you don't. If you got punished first then it means that you have a more active history of poor behavior than they do. Consistency X Severity. Also, all you did was complain about Gangplank all game long and contributed pretty much nothing helpful or constructive to the chat. Your team gets it: gangplank is behaving poorly but so are you. In fact arguably you spent more time complaining about and calling for reports against GP than you did playing the game judging from the time stamps. This is not sportsmanlike conduct. If it was just once or twice then that's one thing, but all game long is too much and just annoying to have to look at. _________ At this point it's pretty clear that you're not gonna change your stance regardless of what anyone says, so there's really no point in continuing on with this thread. Just take this advice to heart and avoid this kind of behavior in the future. I'll just leave this here as a closing thought from [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base: ](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=10#post45248977) >**"I didn't do anything wrong. I should not have been punished."** >Then we can't help you. This forum is for volunteers to explain why you were punished and give advice as to how you can avoid further bans.
when the game is already pointless there is no reason to even try but i still did try i may have typed too but again i still tried and again what i did was nothing absolutely nothing in comparison to not playing the role you were chosen for in game. as ive stated before you can go ahead and play gangplank support that does not bother me but what does is when we go to lane and he is treating the lane as if he is in top lane and not supporting me in the least bit.
: Knew it. Knew it. Knew it. You are the problem. So glad we have Tantrum around to help us out. Thanks Tantrum.
i am not the problem at all. it really is not too much to ask to not have people like that in my games or anyones games for that matter. it makes the game pointless and not fun for anybody and you cant say that i made the game less fun because the fun factor was already all gone because of him.
Xidphel (NA)
: 3 calls for report. Is this how the code works? >if (reports > 0) { review(); } I'm not good at coding but I believe that 1 and 11 are essentially the same according to the first line as well as anything in between. In other words, anything above 1 report is useless.
i did report and honestly i do not care if it works like that or not he deserved to be reported by every person in that game
Canonic (NA)
: It's not hard to keep your mouth shut if you don't want to be penalized for it. Mute the guy and move on
see again muting would do nothing because muting someone does not change what they are doing in the game. and again derogatory term for some but it has other meanings witch i was using.
lil xD (NA)
: wait you’re trolling lol the fact that you won’t post your chat logs to prove how innocent you are just proves how guilty you are.
im not and i posted what i had.... the other guy had them all along and posted them ..... but agian without the chat log in champ select you arent getting the whole story as ive explained already
: > what is that going to do lolz the only thing you are going to see is what i said not what the other guy said Considering 90% of the chat was you, and the other players said nothing remotely harassing. The only 'remotely' negative thing anyone else said was to report your for trolling .. which you were. You're actually lucky your case wasn't punished more severely. I'm frankly surprised you want to draw more visibility to it. Looking at this case I see clear cause to escalate to a 14-day ban.
no it was far less than that the enemy team even joined in and i see nothing wrong with what i did because the game and my lane was already ruined before we even selected champions. i still tried to get experience in another way by taking some of the jungle mobs but got seriously behind because of the situation. you can even see the gangplank said things along the lines of im still going top and im not playing the role of support if my memory serves correct
: What about all this: [0:23] badpally (Jinx): dont come to my lane gp [0:34] badpally (Jinx): i dont want you [0:45] badpally (Jinx): sit at base i dont care but dont come to my lane [1:16] badpally (Jinx): you are a horrible person [2:01] badpally (Jinx): seriously get pout [2:16] badpally (Jinx): im done [2:21] badpally (Jinx): have fun [2:55] [All] badpally (Jinx): report this gp [3:40] [All] badpally (Jinx): as he starts farming immediatly [4:30] [All] badpally (Jinx): no you started before i left [4:42] [All] badpally (Jinx): on the first wave of creeps i got 2 maybe [5:21] badpally (Jinx): %%%ot [5:26] badpally (Jinx): no im not [5:36] badpally (Jinx): im just not going to play with gangplank [5:49] badpally (Jinx): no [6:23] badpally (Jinx): if you choose to support on your off role you best fucking support if it comes up [6:33] badpally (Jinx): this game is lost [7:31] badpally (Jinx): lolz its not me [7:36] badpally (Jinx): its the gp [7:41] badpally (Jinx): he is in my lane [7:45] [All] badpally (Jinx): no [7:51] [All] badpally (Jinx): im doing nothing [8:03] [All] badpally (Jinx): because this gangplank [8:26] [All] badpally (Jinx): i was in lane [8:43] [All] badpally (Jinx): until he started taking all my farm [9:18] [All] badpally (Jinx): so we will just lose this game we are all ad anyway so we already lost [10:53] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea because im not going to a lane that the support is farming [11:34] [All] badpally (Jinx): farm is how an adc kinda gets good [11:51] [All] badpally (Jinx): but its fine [12:00] [All] badpally (Jinx): i dont really care about idiots [12:14] [All] badpally (Jinx): gp is getting reported and i suggest you all do the same [12:55] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea because im the one who tried to get someone to trade roles with me [13:09] [All] badpally (Jinx): and when it didnt work just decided to play bottom like top [13:34] [All] badpally (Jinx): i didnt do anything wrong [14:22] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea because im breaking the summoners code all over the place [15:06] [All] badpally (Jinx): how about the gp who qued up for top or support so he could get less of a wait time and then goes a top champ anyway and has no intention of supporting in the least [15:24] [All] badpally (Jinx): that is breaking the summoners code [16:20] [All] badpally (Jinx): actually no [16:28] [All] badpally (Jinx): admited to doing nothing [16:48] [All] badpally (Jinx): not my fault that i wont work with someone who wont work with me [17:16] [All] badpally (Jinx): and as the intentional feeding ive died to 2 champs [17:26] [All] badpally (Jinx): i am playing [17:31] badpally (Jinx): no 2 [17:34] [All] badpally (Jinx): no 2 [17:44] [All] badpally (Jinx): im not afk [18:06] [All] badpally (Jinx): and i got exicuted [22:01] [All] badpally (Jinx): yea [22:19] [All] badpally (Jinx): not afk just not helping my jackoff of a teammate [22:57] [All] badpally (Jinx): just end it [36:05] [All] badpally (Jinx): oooh wow im feeding [36:12] [All] badpally (Jinx): 3 deaths [36:17] [All] badpally (Jinx): to champs [38:25] badpally (Jinx): cept not being dead [41:26] [All] badpally (Jinx): bg report gp
you had it the whole time i would have posted that if i could have found it but in no way is any of that breaking the summoners code.... the other persons text is not even there either so its kind of being taken out of context as it is. all this does is helps my case that i did nothing wrong and i was being attacked wrongfully the whole game
badpally (NA)
: What you were punished for was retaliation, unneeded misuse of chat to argue and call other players idiots. As well as: [5:21] badpally (Jinx): %%%ot well thats all i can find the rest of it was pretty much the other guy telling me he was going to not support and treat bottom as a second top lane and he was in no shape way or form going to support me when he received the role of support. and me telling him in quite non offensive ways that he was wrong and that i was going to farm jungle and then he accused me of feeding ect just generally being toxic until well yea i said that not meaning it in a homophobic way but the other meanings. because i in fact have many gay friends and am in no way homophobic.
but i get punished and the other guy gets off with no punishment for ruining games for others i mean like ive said time and time again i uphold the summoners code and i do not sign up for roles that im not even good at let alone do not want to play. its simple he qued up for a role he was not going to play no matter what for a reduced que time and ruined the game for everyone and did not get punishment for it. in fact if i did mean it in the term that is being taken it would be an insult to my friends of that nature and i would not use it in that context
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=badpally,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=j4J490OP,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2018-01-08T19:40:24.205+0000) > > what is that going to do lolz the only thing you are going to see is what i said not what the other guy said That's because you're the only one being judged in your case, just like they'd be the only one judged in their case. Even if it showed what they said it wouldn't matter because the "they started it" excuse doesn't work. Posting your logs will also help prove that what you said in your OP is true, and not posting them only gives people the impression that you're hiding something.
What you were punished for was retaliation, unneeded misuse of chat to argue and call other players idiots. As well as: [5:21] badpally (Jinx): %%%ot well thats all i can find the rest of it was pretty much the other guy telling me he was going to not support and treat bottom as a second top lane and he was in no shape way or form going to support me when he received the role of support. and me telling him in quite non offensive ways that he was wrong and that i was going to farm jungle and then he accused me of feeding ect just generally being toxic until well yea i said that not meaning it in a homophobic way but the other meanings. because i in fact have many gay friends and am in no way homophobic.
Xidphel (NA)
: I think he was bullied through actions? Maybe? It's getting increasingly harder to read his posts.
: Post your chat logs.
what is that going to do lolz the only thing you are going to see is what i said not what the other guy said
Xidphel (NA)
: Honestly, this post is just going nowhere at 9001 mph.
not until something is done because my views are my views and they are right. everyone who does not agree .... has the right to have those other wrong views but that does not mean they are not still in fact wrong. even if multiple people have the same view it does not make it right at all we used to think the world was flat.... wrong ..... we used to think slavery was ok..... thats also wrong.......... thinking that 1 freeking word against someone harassed another for over 30 mins....... guess what thats wrong
Xidphel (NA)
: >try to change the **views that are fundamentally flawed** This entire topic has been nothing but that but you still keep those views.
yea the views that are right and not wrong not punishing people for using words deemed as bad and might offend someone not hurting someone witch words can not do unless you let them i may add. but i should not have to deal with players who ruin an experience for someone else.
: if you used a homophobic slur you're lucky you just got a chat ban. hate speech is possible grounds for an automatic 14-day ban. think about it this way when you are/were in school if someone was bullying you or started a fight and you did the same behavior back, who got sent to the office? both of you. if you he punched you first and you punched back you both would likely get a punishment. the behavior of both is not acceptable so both have a chance of getting punished. you should've heard that when someone is being a bully go find someone in charge (in this case report them) and do not engage them anymore. this is because usually whatever you say unless it is in agreement(they say you're bad and you agree that you are trash at the game) with them (they say you're bad and you agree that you are trash at the game) is going to add fuel to the fire.
well at least im doing something about being bullied in game instead of letting it go to someones hands that even if it is right in the summoners code that you dont ruin others gaming experience get away with it but god forbid someone offends someone with words
: You are provided a means of recourse, you can report him for intentionally ruining your game. Him breaking the rules, does not make it ok for you to break the rules. That is not how the world works, that is not how life works. Do you have a parent I could speak to? Perhaps they could explain this to you better.
time and time again it is overlooked and nothing is done about it ..... what to do then huh? humans have a breaking limit and again getting ignored over and over again gets frustrating and it is an unjust system that lets these offenders off scott free with the people who fight for their right to have a decent gaming experience getting the short end of the stick
: People in NA never use that word in that context. Don't play dumb, we all know better, and you're not fooling anyone.
well never is a strong word because i do and did i have friends that live in the UK and down under that use that term all the time not to mention you dont have to live in NA to be on the NA servers.
Xidphel (NA)
: >no i do not think flaming and standing up to are the same thing Then stop flaming. > this community has very strange views It's still the community's views. You adapt to it or you leave. Simple as that. And their views are fair: people who flame and troll should be punished accordingly and retaliating, or in your words, standing up to, IS flaming. There are no excuse for slurs. And the internet's view is this: DO NOT REPLY TO TROLLS! THAT'S RULE #1! Now in this physical reality, yes. Fighting back would be necessary. On the INTERNET however, that doesn't stop anything. Trolling won't stop. Harassment won't stop. NOTHING CHANGES aside for you getting punished. So in conclusion: Stop making a fool of yourself by using an anti-trolling tactic that doesn't work in the slightest and then whining about how your anti-trolling tactic doesn't work.
naw my attempt of this is to raise awareness that maybe something should change and riot should be less focused on things that in the long term mean nothing and focus on cracking down on players that go into games with intentions to ruin experiences for other players and its my god given right to post how i feel about this situation so i do not have to adapt to it and i most certainly do not have to leave .... there are other options like stay and try to change the views that are fundamentally flawed that is one option.
badpally (NA)
: words have never hurt anyone but actions on the other hand do hurt others and its flawless logic say someone gets busted for buying drugs. they tell the police about whom sold them the drugs ...... well usually charges are dropped and the person distributing the drugs is charged. and again words do not hurt people because in the end of the day thats the opinion of the user of the words honestly words at the end of the day mean NOTHING AT ALL!!!! its just a way for us as human beings to convey our feelings and opinions to other humans.
i do admit i am wrong when in fact i am wrong.... but this is not one of those cases
: > its neither i was comparing him to a cigarette and a pile of wood Yeah, ok.
so you really think i was in my mind because of what he did i thought his sexuality was same sex..... that is foolish
Prandine (NA)
: Here's the official Riot stance from the [Instant Feedback System FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286): >**WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT!** Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the [Reporting a Player FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player)
too bad retaliating and defending yourself are too different things ... flawed logic
: Another lie. If your problem is with trolls post about trolls, we are talking about you breaking the rules because someone else broke the rules first. That is never ok. It does not matter how much or how little you do it, you still do it. You need to take responsibility for yourself.
rules should never be broken in the first place and call me a liar if you want but im not lying and i know this in my heart because even after i gained my ability to chat back and even my ability to get rewards back guess what i still did not feel right about the situation because to begin with my punishment was wrong. i can take punishment when it is deserved i can take being called stupid names but i wont just lie down when someone goes out of their way to ruin games that i like to play.
badpally (NA)
: words have never hurt anyone but actions on the other hand do hurt others and its flawless logic say someone gets busted for buying drugs. they tell the police about whom sold them the drugs ...... well usually charges are dropped and the person distributing the drugs is charged. and again words do not hurt people because in the end of the day thats the opinion of the user of the words honestly words at the end of the day mean NOTHING AT ALL!!!! its just a way for us as human beings to convey our feelings and opinions to other humans.
maybe to voice my opinion of their actions against me. it was not to make him feel bad about himself in a way that was not deserved at first i really did want him just to change his actions in game to prevent me and others from not having a good fun game. also if you think words hurt people physically that is totally insane because never had never will. i think there is a childhood saying about that but it escapes me ..... something about a pile of wood.
Xidphel (NA)
: >i didn't flame or harass him i defended myself You didn't defend yourself. Otherwise, the attacks would stop. >it was 1 slur too many. There is never a reason to use those.
not when its just and riot should instead of setting up a bot to find "flag words" they should hire a team to stop this stuff from happening and by that i mean actions that are unfit on the rift and i did defend myself no matter what you say or think that is truly what happened and no matter how you feel ... see things ... or think what actually happened ..... that is what happened i was attacked and i defended myself.
: I'm not blind to that fact, I bitch about it daily. I have reported thousands of players and got a response from like 2. The difference Is I recognize it is not my responsibility to punish other people, furthermore I recognize that using hatespeech is not punishing them. And I recognize that someone else breaking the rules does not justify me breaking the rules. I am not responsible for them I am responsible for myself, so I don't get banned. Your either lying or trolling about calling him a pile of wood. If your problem is with Riot's ban system take it up with Riot, it does not give you permission to use language you know is against the rules.
its neither i was comparing him to a cigarette and a pile of wood and ya know sometimes bringing attention to a topic that is rampant across league because picking out of a role and not even attempting to do what that role is designed to do is a huge problem but little to nothing is being done about it but language is being cracked down harder than trump and illegal aliens and that is totally wrong what i did saying 1 word with multiple meanings is not even close to what people get away with every single day multiple times a day just because riot is too lazy to actually hire a team to look through reports they have to make a bot that can recognize "flag" words and punish the people just trying their best to stop wrong things from happening...... i can see being banned if i sat there all game slurring him up and down the street in every way but that is not the case at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=badpally,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=j4J490OP,comment-id=00040001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-08T18:48:03.866+0000) > > your logic is wrong at best and the example is deflecting the issue. im saying players should not be punished for things they say to other players breaking far greater rules with in reason and the ends justified the means i did not rip on him for 30 minutes with foul language while he for 34 minutes wasted my and others time because he did not fill the role he was assigned. im not deflecting the issue you are the one who is not seeing the real issue here and that is people who ruin games do not get punished for their wrong doings when people with pure intent get punished for 1 word. words do not hurt people but actions do he wasted my time and i get punished for it. Let me highlight it for you. >players should not be punished for things they say to other players breaking far greater rules This^ is flawed logic. Your saying that it is ok for you to break the rules because other people break the rules. That is wrong. Just accept it now. It does **NOT** matter what they did to you, it does **NOT** matter what they do period. You are responsible for yourself, not them. You are **NOT** responsible for "punishing" them. > words do not hurt people **WRONG** THAT IS YOUR ENTIRE PROBLEM Words do hurt people, that is why you were banned.
words have never hurt anyone but actions on the other hand do hurt others and its flawless logic say someone gets busted for buying drugs. they tell the police about whom sold them the drugs ...... well usually charges are dropped and the person distributing the drugs is charged. and again words do not hurt people because in the end of the day thats the opinion of the user of the words honestly words at the end of the day mean NOTHING AT ALL!!!! its just a way for us as human beings to convey our feelings and opinions to other humans.
: Wow your still blind to the fact that what you did was in fact wrong. Regardless of what other people do, you are *still* **responsible** for practicing **self control**. It doesn't matter what other people do, just get that out of your head now and life will be a lot easier for you. Using a slur is *not* practicing self control, it does not matter how long you went without saying anything, it does not matter what they were saying to you. You can defend yourself and others without using hate speech.
and you are blind to the fact that sometimes things should be overlooked when a greater infraction has been committed because no maybe losing it and saying 1 word that has other meanings and i did mean it as such i was not thinking this guy's sexual preference is same sex when i sent the message i was thinking he is cancerous and stupid as a pile of wood. so to call it a slur is well laughable at best. and it does matter what other people do when they get into a game i play and ruin the experience intentionally honestly i do not care if i win or lose games as long as i have fun even if its frustrating i can usually take something out of a game but games like this i get nothing but riot promotes bullies and people who do not follow the rules unless wrong words that people should not have to deal with and have really no meaning at all and is not hurting anybody at all in any way.
: No. Just no. A good excuse or not, it is *still* an excuse. An excuse for bad behavior. The problem is not you defending yourself or others, the problem is the way you went about doing it. Namely using innappropriate language because you don't see the issue with the language itself. Please stop trying to deflect the issue, why or how you used the language has absolutely no bearing on the matter. None. It does not matter at all. All that matters is that you used the language in the first place. You broke the law, and no amount of justification will change that fact. If a bank robber gets caught, and says "well my friend got robbed so I was just going to give the money to him", does he still go to jail? Yes, because he broke the law. It does not matter what the intentions were all that matters is the actions. Your actions were against the rules, it does not matter why they were against the rules, all that matters is you knowingly broke the rules.
your logic is wrong at best and the example is deflecting the issue. im saying players should not be punished for things they say to other players breaking far greater rules with in reason and the ends justified the means i did not rip on him for 30 minutes with foul language while he for 34 minutes wasted my and others time because he did not fill the role he was assigned. im not deflecting the issue you are the one who is not seeing the real issue here and that is people who ruin games do not get punished for their wrong doings when people with pure intent get punished for 1 word. words do not hurt people but actions do he wasted my time and i get punished for it.
: Did your team ask you to defend them? If not you simply anted conflict with this other person. Defending is protecting yourself from hits/blows. Striking back is retaliation. Muting isn't ignoring the problem and reports get heard. I have had those people before. I mute, report, and later receive either the. "Your report has lead to a punishment." Or the other. "Your report has helped lead to a punishment" (or whatever the phrasing difference is.)
no but again someone should not have to ask to be defended and no defending yourself is not always from hits or blows he was disrespecting myself my other teammates and riot by not playing the role he was designated .... i would have been just fine if he would have played gangplank in a support-like manor but that was clearly not the case and like i said before riots report system is a joke it punishes people who want to have fun and get fed up with people doing wrong in the game while those people do not get punished for their actions of ruining the game experience for all others in the game. because i did not get one of those prompts all the rioters said were parties who deserved it got a suitable punishment (witch means none in my book other than my own punishment for again fighting for what is right for an experience that is fun in nature)
Modi (NA)
: As others have said, one is one too many. You were not likely punished on just the one slur. Since you haven't posted your chat logs, I would be hesitant to believe that was all you said. That said, you didn't help the situation, not one but, by flaming back at the player and harassing them. You made it worse for the rest of your team. The nice thing about muting: it takes away their power. They can no longer flame you, or harass you. It is effectively like taking the arms off someone punching you. The fact that you choose to [retaliate](https://www.google.com/search?q=retaliate) with slurs and more harassment is why you were punished. I can clearly see your point of view, but your point of view does not alter the fact that you retaliated.
you are completely wrong i didn't flame or harass him i defended myself and again it was 1 slur i do not care if you believe me or not and one is one too many but multiple of my games each day are ruined by these types of people that grief using wrongful actions (and not just words that ultimately hurt nobody and it was 1 word with no context with many meanings i may add so ignoring them in game will do nothing) that are more times than not punished because a ban bot does not look for words like im going top even if i was chosen for support or i plan on playing bottom lane like top lane. and that is against the core rules of the game and can not simply be fixed with muting a person.
Xidphel (NA)
: Does the insults reach you? Yes? You successfully defended yourself.
that does not stop things in the long run ... maybe for me and ya know i will admit did what i do have any effect on his play or solve the problem any better than riot. not really but the fact of the matter is i stood up for myself and did not let the person just think what he was doing to the whole game was alright in any way shape or form.
Xidphel (NA)
: Oh yeah. Harassment like the absolute silence that reaches you. You mute, literally nothing he says reaches your screen.
there is more than one way to harass someone..... he was doing it with actions not words
: Why do you think reporting is ignoring the problem? If you report it, you are telling Riot "Hey, there's a problem here." Just because you don't get instant results does not mean Riot finds bullying acceptable. It means one of two things: It wasn't serious or often enough for action (ie. one bad game with no history of bullying), or someone else reported after you did and they received the "Someone you reported was punished" popup. As far as words having multiple meanings, yes, technically that would be true. However, within the context of the game, can you seriously tell me that word gets used for one of those alternate meanings?
well i report it and a computer that does know nothing of the situation gets to decide the fate of this person and often times it sees nothing wrong with a person that in a game mode designed to let people get better at champions for ranked play and assigns someone a role to fill and im guessing it just looks at that persons positioning for the beginning part of the game and thinks well they filled their designated role because they went to the lane that they should have and does not look into chat for non slurring words saying that they refuse to play the role they were assigned as it should do and they get off scott free no ban no chat restriction and they are free to go do it again the next game and well frankly forever. the faith you people have in riots system is blind and well frankly stupid because if it was as good as you say it is there would not be those types of people in the game anymore and instead people trying to get others to realize they are not playing by the rules (initially then make 1 slip up that was an alternate meaning) gets chat restriction for trying to preserve what the definition of honor is in the first place. also there was no context i typed 1 word so there is no way of telling in what context i meant it in other than me and im saying i was saying it with those other meanings.
: >"Riot support team promotes bullying and punishes people who stand up to bullies" If you think "flaming" equates to "standing up to", you have no idea how the internet works. in real life, if you could press a button and then the bully effectively ceased to exist, wouldn't you press it?
there is no such button and that just dumb to say that because i mute him .... he still exists his actions still effect the game and no i do not think flaming and standing up to are the same thing. this community has very strange views about what a victim is and what is right or wrong i say a word and omg its the end of the world but people out there take away what is designed to be a fun enjoyable experience and that is fine and can not be defended against without punishment.
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