Divewing (OCE)
: Fair enough. But a common misconception I also see, is that when all the lanes are behind DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE ENEMY JUNGLER, then THAT is on you. I don't need a jungler to win lane, or at least not lose, but expecting me to never die in 1v2s, especially considering how easy it is to dive right now, then that is idiotic. And if you then have the balls to say to me "It's not my job to win your lane", then you can go into practice mode and practice gank pathing and counterjungling/ganking.
> [{quoted}](name=Saïx,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IIeIE7bn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-21T05:13:35.260+0000) > > Fair enough. > > But a common misconception I also see, is that when all the lanes are behind DIRECTLY BECAUSE OF THE ENEMY JUNGLER, then THAT is on you. > > I don't need a jungler to win lane, or at least not lose, but expecting me to never die in 1v2s, especially considering how easy it is to dive right now, then that is idiotic. > > And if you then have the balls to say to me "It's not my job to win your lane", then you can go into practice mode and practice gank pathing and counterjungling/ganking. A fair amount of the time it really isn't the junglers fault. Ex: 10 minutes in your top laner has died 3-4 times (mostly 1v1's to the enemy laner), doesn't ward, gets caught out, and loses tower super early. Now the enemy jungler just focuses on camping your mid-lane and stealing your topside jungle. So because that one laner was retarded the rest of your team starts falling behind. You can't 1v1 the enemy jungler because he's ahead on gold + xp since half your jungle doesn't belong to you, your midlaner gets fucked because their top and jungler help push mid tower down so you lose even more control of your jungle, your botlane gets fucked the same way next, and there's nothing you can do about it even if you had some early successful ganks mid/bot because your top fed that hard that early.
Jakobi (NA)
: ARSR has GOT to be the most boring game mode riot has released
I actually kinda like it because it's a good excuse to play wonky off-meta stuff without my teammates QQing about it.
: What tilts you the most?
Veigar support roaming to my lane not to try and gank, just to steal cs and leave.
Cubíx (NA)
: I'm confused why people truly think she's broken, I mean yes she has a powerful mid game and a decent early game now. Her Late she is strong but can be shut down by literally anything that is hard cc. This relates to her win rates on op.gg she may have the highest win rate pre-25 minutes but it drastically falls over the next 10-15 minutes, and before someone says something about her being number pre-25 just think that some champ has to be number 1, its a list that's how it works. Realistically this means theres a great way to deal with her, control her early game, either by an anti assassin mid laner like Lissandra, vladimir, malzahar, etc. and/or have a jungler camp her so she cant roam easily. Shut down her early game and she won't be able to come back, and if she does happen to get out of hand she'll fall off as long as the enemy team has good peel and tanks. Lastly what's up with people thinking mana is her problem? she's gonna be able to do damage with or without a mana bar, and her shtick is a very reset heavy playstyle so adding mana could even ruin her initial design, which to someone who wants her to be unplayable I guess is the right idea but from a fair design point that's too harsh, it would be like removing Jigglypuffs jumps in melee because everyone else only gets 1 extra jump, unless there is more compensation then just adding a crutch to her its just not right. Kat doesn't need mana to be balanced, IMO she's pretty balanced as is, because she works around her cooldowns instead of mana. She has to get a kill/assist to get resets so if she just jumps in a blows her load but no one dies, now she's screwed thats how her kit was designed.
The only thing I personally find op about her is that she gets shunpo resets from grabbing a dagger giving her ridiculous mobility. Shunpo resets should only come from kills / assists.
ItsOrval (NA)
: That doesnt work, tried that many times.
Maybe it's partially your playstyle against them. Usually Jayce players want to poke and slowly wear down their opponents before getting really aggressive with the trades, but as you know you can't poke Gragas and Swain they just laugh it off and heal up so maybe you're not really poking at all and playing more timidly than you would against other matchups. You could try going Hexdrinker -> Executioners -> Vamp Sceptre into probably BT (maybe Mercurial if you really want the MR and the active can benefit you vs the rest of their team since it won't do anything against Gragas ult, and Swain's root is easy to dodge) and being more aggressive with the trading and be able to heal up afterwards to make them play more timidly. Either that or you just need to do what you're doing now which is play safe, farm, set them up for gank or roam to get kills to get yourself fed.
ItsOrval (NA)
: How Do I Counter Build Gragas As Jayce?
I'd go Hexdrinker + Executioners Calling, then upgrade the Hexdrinker into Maw. The Hex/Maw shield can do a pretty good job of saving your life, and you need the Executioners Calling if you want any of your damage to stick without getting healed away. It's still gonna be a farm lane for you but at least you don't have to slowly get whittled down by them and lose out on cs&xp compared to them by having to base more.
: Keystone for Nautilus Support
For me they're both great but basically depends on what the enemy team is running (the opposing duo lane as well as the whole team in general). If they're mostly burst damage I think CotC is better to help mitigate that burst, if they're more sustained damage / healing based then Stoneborne because it gives your team a bigger advantage in a longer fight.
MVC ICE (NA)
: Is Galio Broken?
It's his only real damage spell, so if it's 2 shotting you than basically you stood in the tornado for the full duration without moving. Then you decided to hang out, let it come off CD, and stand in it for the full duration a second time. Perhaps you should try this amazing technique called getting the fuck out of the tornado which can be achieved in one simple step: Click somewhere on the map that isn't the tornado (preferably move toward Galio or to the side since the tornado moves away from Galio).
Aohaku (NA)
: Being told to, "Buy Sightstone," is super annoying...
It's nowhere near as annoying as getting told to stop stealing cs when you've got a relic shield based item, or when your team is complaining about you not warding when they're getting their asses handed to them and you've got a 99% chance of getting gangbanged if you even think about trying to ward your own jungle solo and nobody is willing to escort you (or upgrade to the blue ward trinket).
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