: Discussion on the Sylas changes
Fucking horrible. I will write fucking essay about why mid sylas is bad for the game and anyone that thinks different is wrong and he should be balanced around jg and nothing else. The main complaint I have seen about sylas is his healing in lane since he lets him trade very well while still doing damage this doesn't solve that having in jg would since then you only need to deal with that in team fights where it's lot less of a problem. Also he is suppose to be a bruiser and these changes seen to make him more of a assassin like e now doing [80/130/180/230/280 (+100% AP)] that's bs like it's not hard to hit and a cc. Like that will hurt omg like you combo this will his passive and omg that's lot of damage. Like it just seems he does way more damage and I think more healing late but less early on. That isn't a bruiser. Like people don't like bruisers in mid. I play sylas jg and I think he is dead to me like jg sylas is a much more interesting and fair champion you can keep what makes him a bruiser since he isn't going to be trading and his ult leads to much very creative ganks. In my opinion riot should of just killed his laning and made a jg. Like come riot wtf there is already not a lot of ap jgs and now you're taking one out like really.
LBmyBB (NA)
: You want to know why kaisa is overloaded? It's because she has too many things going on. She has a mark, a gapcloser, and a shield on an adc. Each spell can be evolved to do something different, meanwhile she has stats for her stas. She has too many things going on. Let's list some more things. AA that deal magic damage, marks that deal %hp missing that's enhanced by ally champs and her W, point click missiles that's basically a kat ult that homes in on you, the ability to buy both ad/ap items leaves little room to figure out how to itemize if you want to win. Vayne: deals % true damage every 3rd hit, a short tumble, an E that can push/stun, and ult that makes her go invisi with Q. Item path varies based on meta but it's only AD items
> [{quoted}](name=LBmyBB,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zf5GwOMh,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-14T03:03:30.119+0000) > > You want to know why kaisa is overloaded? It's because she has too many things going on. She has a mark, a gapcloser, and a shield on an adc. Each spell can be evolved to do something different, meanwhile she has stats for her stas. She has too many things going on. Let's list some more things. AA that deal magic damage, marks that deal %hp missing that's enhanced by ally champs and her W, point click missiles that's basically a kat ult that homes in on you, the ability to buy both ad/ap items leaves little room to figure out how to itemize if you want to win. > > Vayne: deals % true damage every 3rd hit, a short tumble, an E that can push/stun, and ult that makes her go invisi with Q. Item path varies based on meta but it's only AD items Wow again no actually argument just you going "I want this game to be easy" like 90% of what you said about her kit isn't true showing you don't play or have seen the champion. Also overloaded means not needed you take anything out of her kit and it doesn't work, you take the shield out of the ult and the ult basically is a dead ability. Just because a champions has a lot doesn't been overloaded at all. Like all you did was list her abilities and go "seee it's lot". Ornn shield made him overloaded since it covered his weakness trading while also not being big part of his kit. That's overloaded. Akali when she could heal from her q that was overloaded since she built gunblade and then she just healed everything and taking away the heal doesn't change anything since she will still heal from gunblade. Kai'Sa you can't remove anything. She needs the shield, her upgrades don't work if you can't build ap and it's part of her core design, her passive is where a lot of her damage comes from so you can't remove that. Also vayne actually have a more overloaded kit then Kai'Sa and it had less counter play since vayne can snowball much harder then Kai'Sa, is actually safer then her because she actually has a dash.
Mártir (EUW)
: Riot, you really killed Yuumi for me. She is 100% unplayable.
So basically "I don't want to play smart" like most cc in bot lane isn't point and click it's a skill shot or a auto attack meaning yeah just play better. It's only matters (the cooldown on w)if you play wrong. Like it doesn't kill the champion, it doesn't change how she plays, all it does is add a stronger weakness. My problem is with the channel for the w since that's just unnecessary.
LBmyBB (NA)
: stop saying things you think you know. Vayne and kaisa are only similar in that they have marks. I know very well how kaisa works and she is overloaded af. And I want the game to be challenging, not impossible due to very unwise champ/balance designs.
> [{quoted}](name=LBmyBB,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zf5GwOMh,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-13T19:29:09.947+0000) > > stop saying things you think you know. Vayne and kaisa are only similar in that they have marks. I know very well how kaisa works and she is overloaded af. And I want the game to be challenging, not impossible due to very unwise champ/balance designs. I love how you just nope nope to anything without any argument. I gave actual reasons why they're similar then you go "nope" Again I said why kaisa is not overloaded you haven't given a counter point to my argument or gave a argument as to why she is, showing you know nothing about how to argue. I do know those things I don't think I do that is why I give a actual argument with my reasoning if you think I'm wrong then say why.
LBmyBB (NA)
: No you arent. Your kaisa argument doesn't exist. Vayne is literally all auto attacks. Kaisa has a literally just press Q and its a homing kat ult and a long range missile, not to mention a blink and a shield.
> [{quoted}](name=LBmyBB,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zf5GwOMh,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-12T04:54:08.883+0000) > > No you arent. Your kaisa argument doesn't exist. Vayne is literally all auto attacks. Kaisa has a literally just press Q and its a homing kat ult and a long range missile, not to mention a blink and a shield. Are you a fucking troll since you clearly DON'T FUCKING UNDERSTAND HOW KAISA WORKS. Kai'Sa and vayne do play pretty similarly lot of there damage is in there passive and auto attacks. Her ult can't save her at all, her q doesn't do much actually do much it's the proc of the passive that does it. Like she isn't overload good yes but not overloaded she needs everything in her kit meaning not overloaded. Guy please stop using words you don't understand. I love that you only went over one point also really shows you're just a guy that wants the game to be easy and you don't want to learn.
LBmyBB (NA)
: So you're going to tell me that overloaded champs like kaisa, akali, and qiyana are healthy for this game? Saying "just learn to counterplay" is a dumb argument itself because you can't learn if you aren't given the tools to counter. No matter what champ you pick, overloaded champs will find a way to beat them because they have the tools to adapt.
> [{quoted}](name=LBmyBB,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zf5GwOMh,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T23:31:02.407+0000) > > So you're going to tell me that overloaded champs like kaisa, akali, and qiyana are healthy for this game? Saying "just learn to counterplay" is a dumb argument itself because you can't learn if you aren't given the tools to counter. No matter what champ you pick, overloaded champs will find a way to beat them because they have the tools to adapt. You are given the tools THAT WAS MY MAIN FUCKING POINT!!!!!! Kai'Sa has basically the same counter play as vayne and many other adcs. Akali actually has lot of counter play like wtf. I really do understand why people think this is done. Dodge her abilities, poke, there is a big window to cc when she uses her e vs someone. Qiyana I don't know I haven't played much against or vs her to actually give a reason. Also what makes these champions overloaded?if you take something out of akali's kit she is dead mean not overloaded.
: Hey look, Sett is Simple, can you guys give the design team a break now?
And not lot of mobility. I'm really liking this champion looks fun ult looks really good design looks good. This is definitely looking to be my favorite out of these back to back releases.
Kuponya (NA)
: Those Yuumi changes were utterly stupid
Bultz (NA)
: Is this really sett.....?
Wtf is this I mean I really like his design but wtf is with a another NEW CHAMPION. I remember thinking god it has been a really long time since there has been a new champion and that was between pyke and neeko but now it feels like every other patch. I would prefer more reworks but in general can we have better spaced out champions better. Maybe hold on the champion until a amount of time if they get done too fast.
LBmyBB (NA)
: Can we please stop creating overloaded champs?
Translation "I want the game to be easy and don't want to learn" there is counter play to champions like yas YOU are just refusing to learn. Like it also shows that you don't understand counter play since more doesn't mean less counter play in most cases it's the opposite. Basic champions have the least counter play in the game annie,mundo,garen, vlad all have less counter play then yas and kaisa. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it's unhealthy. In fact having champions be hard to face actually solves lot of problems with match making.
Noraver (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2019-12-10T20:01:30.430+0000) > > Yes the difference between pyke and a another support is the same as last season they both lost gold meaning nothing has changed to increase the difference. > > Also pyke has to get a kill with his ult if that is adding up to lot you should lose since you're just running it down basically. > > Also pyke needs more gold since his build path and play style requires it. His playstyle requires more gold? How so? Serrated Dirk costs 1100 gold, which is a huge power spike for him early game. Compared to something like, say, Lost Chapter for a typical Mage Support (For argument's sake, if they wanted to play aggressive as well), which costs 1300 gold. Your argument doesn't hold water.
> [{quoted}](name=Noraver,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2019-12-11T12:41:54.748+0000) > > His playstyle requires more gold? > How so? > > Serrated Dirk costs 1100 gold, which is a huge power spike for him early game. > Compared to something like, say, Lost Chapter for a typical Mage Support (For argument's sake, if they wanted to play aggressive as well), which costs 1300 gold. > > Your argument doesn't hold water. Ummm what? Why are you complaining him to mage supports he isn't even similar to them and they're almost never played but mage supports HAVE HIGH BASE DAMAGE UNLIKE PYKE meaning they don't need more gold. You are comparing him to a class no one plays and that doesn't need items wtf. But more importantly you just showed you don't understand supports since NO ONE SHOULD FUCKING BUILD LOST CHAPTER ON ANYONE in support that is a common fact if you look at anytime a damage support is played in high elo the main build is utility items first you don't need mana items. Support items are cheaper then ad items that is a fucking fact. {{item:3504}} a core item for lot of supports is 2300 and {{item:3147}} is 2900, {{item:3107}} is 2100 and {{item:3179}} is 2400, {{item:3109}} 2200 and {{item:3142}} 2900. Not to mention lethality items don't scale well especially compared to support items. Pyke also falls off pretty hard because of that compared to most supports. Most of pyke's damage is in his items due to how his scaling and damage works out his has good base damage early game but after that nope and lot of his power is in his ult which needs to have ad and lethality items do actually do something.
: Ornn Talk
Personally I want his w damage revert back to % current health damage and give him his shield back. As someone that likes ornn doing 36% max hp magic damage on a pretty easy to hit combo while being tanky as fuck is pretty bs.
: Why nerf and buff just for pro players?????
Yeah no. Yuumi changes were to add counter play since NOT BECAUSE OF PRO PLAY BUT BECAUSE OF NORMAL PLAY. Like the only nerf that could maybe effect pro play is the ms buff nerf but that also caused problems in soloQ. You need to stop your mindless rants and actually think. I hate to break this to you but pro players the same game as us what is good in pro play is just good. You balance around people playing good not bad that is how you balance a game if you balance around people sucking the game sucks. Senna was 100% nerfed for soloQ and soloQ alone.
Mártir (EUW)
: The Yuumi "Changes" are HORRIBLE. Her Winrate will fall to less that the current 39%.
I disagree. This makes yuumi have a risk since if she wants to use her passive she has to think about when. I will say 5 seconds is way to much for a champion that gets basically one shot by anything. Now also think adding a cast time and this also is pretty dumb. But I do think this is for the best if you add counter you can this add more power meaning in the long run yuumi will be better for this. But my main problem is why the fuck was the q nerfed so hard with these changes. Do I think yuumi will be weaker yes and no I think with adc's like draven these are pretty big buffs but with a adc like ezreal these are hard nerfs.
Rioter Comments
: Patch 9.24 notes
YES yuumi gets her mana passive back I love these yuumi changes they're what I wanted thanks riot.
Noraver (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:22:21.555+0000) > > Ummmm what? This makes no sense at all. Your argument only works if the ad support item still gives gold. Like pyke's gold is still the same compared to any support. > > The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually pyke gets hit fucking harder but I guess you just wanted to go "ree nerf pyke" like guess what pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items meaning he needs more gold meaning any nerfs to gold will be a nerf to him more then most supports. "Each execution grants one 'Your Cut' (100-300 gold, increased by 100 gold for First Blood) to both Pyke and the last assisting ally, instead of its natural assist gold. In addition, each enemy champion killed inside the X by an ally grants Pyke two stacks of 'Your Cut'. > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:22:21.555+0000) >**The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually** pyke gets hit fucking harder Is it? Is it though? You certainly sound like a Pyke main.
> [{quoted}](name=Noraver,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-12-10T12:33:26.092+0000) > > "Each execution grants one 'Your Cut' (100-300 gold, increased by 100 gold for First Blood) to both Pyke and the last assisting ally, instead of its natural assist gold. In addition, each enemy champion killed inside the X by an ally grants Pyke two stacks of 'Your Cut'. > > Is it? > Is it though? > You certainly sound like a Pyke main. Yes the difference between pyke and a another support is the same as last season they both lost gold meaning nothing has changed to increase the difference. Also pyke has to get a kill with his ult if that is adding up to lot you should lose since you're just running it down basically. Also pyke needs more gold since his build path and play style requires it.
IVSakenz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:22:21.555+0000) > > Ummmm what? This makes no sense at all. Your argument only works if the ad support item still gives gold. Like pyke's gold is still the same compared to any support. > > The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually pyke gets hit fucking harder but I guess you just wanted to go "ree nerf pyke" like guess what pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items meaning he needs more gold meaning any nerfs to gold will be a nerf to him more then most supports. Why do you feel the need to cuss so much over a simple discussion? Serious anger management issues bro. It would not be hard to write your post in an actual informative and helpful way instead of cussing at someone over an opinion.. you act like the guy just killed your dog, when he is only stating his opinion about a champs gold production.
> [{quoted}](name=IVSakenz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2019-12-10T15:46:21.432+0000) > > Why do you feel the need to cuss so much over a simple discussion? Serious anger management issues bro. > > It would not be hard to write your post in an actual informative and helpful way instead of cussing at someone over an opinion.. > > you act like the guy just killed your dog, when he is only stating his opinion about a champs gold production. People that give poor arguments should get a poor reply. Also saying fuck twice is lot? Like it wasn't even towards him but to emphasize the parts of my argument. The worst I did was belittle his argument and said he was making it since he hated pyke.
sufeng (NA)
: Life of a Jungler
Losing 50% of my camps because my mid doesn't understand it's a fucking team game and letting your laner roam free is a horrible idea. I don't understand why so many of my games the enemy mid is just so helpful to the enemy jg whereas my mid is just afk. Then my team is like jg why are you so far behind jg. I fucking swear it happens like every another game.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:22:21.555+0000) > > Ummmm what? This makes no sense at all. Your argument only works if the ad support item still gives gold. Like pyke's gold is still the same compared to any support. > > The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually pyke gets hit fucking harder but I guess you just wanted to go "ree nerf pyke" like guess what pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items meaning he needs more gold meaning any nerfs to gold will be a nerf to him more then most supports. Look at Soraka and tell me again that stealth regen man gets "hit fucking harder" than your average support. Pyke can literally outheal most DoT effects in the game while stealthed, so even while actively taking damage. On top of that, upon leaving vision he just heals back up. He has a dash that's also a stun, so even without his stealth he's still got pretty good defensive tools for a support or an assassin, let alone both. His q also has a pretty hefty slow attached to it. On top of that, since his ult gives him DOUBLE GOLD on a kill(and kills are fairly easy to get when your ult is an aoe execute with a reset(and ignores shields to boot)) even if he ends up behind one low hp enemy is netting him 600 gold and any bounty gold they may have. He's better at surviving a fight than your average support. He's better at getting out of a fight then your average support. He's better at coming back from a losing game than your average support. He has better gold income than the average support. And as for your argument that nerfs to gold will be a bigger hit to him than your average support: Remove his ult gold and he still has the income of an average support, only other supports cant get minion gold OR item gold after support item gives 1k gold and thus have to rely on kill gold. Pyke actually has a method of securing kill gold easily(unlike many other supports) and thus would STILL be better off than your average support. On top of that, Pyke's items don't actually cost more than your average support. If he's building lethality(and judging by your rant on "Pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items" you expect him to build lethality) his items cost 2400-3100, with his average item coming in at 2900(Duskblade and Youmuu). Ap items, for example go from about 2700(twin shadows) to 3600(deathcap). There are a few cheaper items at about 2100-2600 like Ardent and Redemption, but those also have vastly inferior stats to most items, so if a support DOES decide to build cheaper items they're getting less bang for their buck and Pyke's items also aren't as essential to him as they would be for most supports. I've seen someone build a Zhonya, Dead Man's Plate, and GA on Pyke and pop off in a LOSING game. Pyke's base damage and the fact that he can pop in and ult to wrap up a fight means he doesn't even need item spikes all that much in the first place, so even if he DID have less gold than your average support he'd still be doing fairly well, while many other supports have certain essential purchases(for example, Ardent, Knight's Vow, Thornmail, Spirit Visage, Abyssal Mask) that mean that they need item spikes desperately(and as any support that can't get kills has their gold generation fall into the gutter after 1k gold, those item spikes aren't going to come easily without). Pyke circumvents many of the pitfalls of your average support, has better gold generation than other supports even WITHOUT those pitfalls, and has better survivability than many supports, in addition to being able to recover from worse games than your average support and ending up at a better spot afterwards.
> [{quoted}](name=Secretly a Phos,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-10T02:44:21.722+0000) > > Look at Soraka and tell me again that stealth regen man gets "hit fucking harder" than your average support. Pyke can literally outheal most DoT effects in the game while stealthed, so even while actively taking damage. On top of that, upon leaving vision he just heals back up. He has a dash that's also a stun, so even without his stealth he's still got pretty good defensive tools for a support or an assassin, let alone both. His q also has a pretty hefty slow attached to it. On top of that, since his ult gives him DOUBLE GOLD on a kill(and kills are fairly easy to get when your ult is an aoe execute with a reset(and ignores shields to boot)) even if he ends up behind one low hp enemy is netting him 600 gold and any bounty gold they may have. > > He's better at surviving a fight than your average support. He's better at getting out of a fight then your average support. He's better at coming back from a losing game than your average support. He has better gold income than the average support. And as for your argument that nerfs to gold will be a bigger hit to him than your average support: Remove his ult gold and he still has the income of an average support, only other supports cant get minion gold OR item gold after support item gives 1k gold and thus have to rely on kill gold. Pyke actually has a method of securing kill gold easily(unlike many other supports) and thus would STILL be better off than your average support. On top of that, Pyke's items don't actually cost more than your average support. If he's building lethality(and judging by your rant on "Pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items" you expect him to build lethality) his items cost 2400-3100, with his average item coming in at 2900(Duskblade and Youmuu). Ap items, for example go from about 2700(twin shadows) to 3600(deathcap). There are a few cheaper items at about 2100-2600 like Ardent and Redemption, but those also have vastly inferior stats to most items, so if a support DOES decide to build cheaper items they're getting less bang for their buck and Pyke's items also aren't as essential to him as they would be for most supports. I've seen someone build a Zhonya, Dead Man's Plate, and GA on Pyke and pop off in a LOSING game. Pyke's base damage and the fact that he can pop in and ult to wrap up a fight means he doesn't even need item spikes all that much in the first place, so even if he DID have less gold than your average support he'd still be doing fairly well, while many other supports have certain essential purchases(for example, Ardent, Knight's Vow, Thornmail, Spirit Visage, Abyssal Mask) that mean that they need item spikes desperately(and as any support that can't get kills has their gold generation fall into the gutter after 1k gold, those item spikes aren't going to come easily without). > > Pyke circumvents many of the pitfalls of your average support, has better gold generation than other supports even WITHOUT those pitfalls, and has better survivability than many supports, in addition to being able to recover from worse games than your average support and ending up at a better spot afterwards. Ok I'm going to be honest here have you seen a pyke since summer of season 8? Since if you take out the double gold and lethality items in your post it seems like you're talking about fits tank pyke(which is dead) and doesn't fit assassin pyke. Like your post is basically just a rant so I'm just going to go over the points that annoy me the most just because 90% of this is just untrue and anyone with one game with a pyke in it would see that. Soraka is hit less hard by the gold nerfs then pyke that is a fucking fact if you think it's not then fuck off and learn how supports work. Soraka has cheaper items that scale better, she can do basically the same job without items unlike pyke who actually needs items especially lethality items to do damage like his ult without items is basically nothing like I'm actually not joking. It does like 600 late that's not high and soraka ult heals 350 to 525 on a team wide heal. "Pyke can literally outheal most DoT effects in the game " this right here shows you should stop fucking talking about pyke like PYKE HAS THAT PASSIVE TO STOP DOT EFFECTS SO WHY WOULD IT NOT DO THAT YOU FUCKING TROLL!!! That's like complaining you can't all in kayle because of her ult PLAY FUCKING AROUND IT all in him. Here is basically want you said "Man why can't I poke down a champion that isn't supposed to get poked down" "He's better at getting out of a fight then your average support. He's better at coming back from a losing game than your average support" hmm nope nope and nope. Pyke actually has a pretty horrible escape like it's just running away while not being tanky that is his escape, he has close to the worst come back of any support in the game like wtf he is a assassin support ok he will fall off pretty hard if he is losing like what game are you playing? Like I'm sorry but fuck off. You're clearly just mad at the champion to the point of blind hate. Lethality items fall off whereas support items really don't and they cost less soo yeah a champion that needs more gold is going to have more gold wtf. Also I love how you and other somehow think that pyke will get so many kills in a game GUESS WHAT IF PYKE DOESN'T GET A LOT OF KILLS GET NO GOLD so maybe try playing better. Like 90% of your post is just you clearly never seeing a pyke. Like high base damage wtf maybe early game but mid to late hell no it has been pretty nerfed if he had good base damage he would be a tank again since that actually is a champion with no weakness. Pyke also requires a adc or teammate to do around 60% to 70% of a champions hp for him to actually get his ult off and he doesn't really do damage alone his numbers are pretty weak like compare him to basically any other assassins and there is a pretty big difference in damage that's including his ult. Pyke also lost basically everything that kept him from getting instant killed mid to late game sooo.
: The jungle changes weren't good
Lets be realistic the majority of the jg changes from season 7 onwards weren't good. I really do understand how riot hasn't revert jg back to something similar to season 5 or 6 where you know the jg was pretty stable especially in season 6. This isn't me being nostalgic this is me being like o jg felt better and was change MUCH less. Like I swear xp in the jg gets changed so much.
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:22:21.555+0000) > > Ummmm what? This makes no sense at all. Your argument only works if the ad support item still gives gold. Like pyke's gold is still the same compared to any support. > > The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually pyke gets hit fucking harder but I guess you just wanted to go "ree nerf pyke" like guess what pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items meaning he needs more gold meaning any nerfs to gold will be a nerf to him more then most supports. the ad support item works just like every other supp item in terms of gold. that's the point of this post... pyke gets large amounts of free gold that other supports have no access to especially now that supp item gold income stops at final tier. but for pyke, he gets to keep on getting and giving gold because of his kit which puts him at a major advantage considering the range of his execute and the mobility he has to clean up fights. the gap between say, pyke vs an enchanter supp is massive and completely unfair
> [{quoted}](name=Waka FIocka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Ar9dsg53,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-09T22:50:09.912+0000) > > the ad support item works just like every other supp item in terms of gold. that's the point of this post... pyke gets large amounts of free gold that other supports have no access to especially now that supp item gold income stops at final tier. but for pyke, he gets to keep on getting and giving gold because of his kit which puts him at a major advantage considering the range of his execute and the mobility he has to clean up fights. the gap between say, pyke vs an enchanter supp is massive and completely unfair How about you read my fucking post since I don't feel like typing the same thing. This argument that pyke gets WAY more gold ONLY works if the ad support item gave more gold and I said why in my post. So try reading before replying please.
: Its a dead game....in maintenance.
> [{quoted}](name=Dreamspitter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2B1rTOKN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-09T21:08:20.030+0000) > > Its a dead game....in maintenance. How? I don't think you know what a game in maintenance.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=35R1VRrv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:13:16.956+0000) > > I mean he is actually 100% right. Like if this guy talked like this all the time he would be so much better. He goes over the old kit and the small rework to explain his reasoning which is how you argue. Like wow just wow I mean when he is isn't talking about Aatrox it's pretty bad. > > Like this is actually pretty jarring to listen too compared to when he talks about basically anything else. > > This just shows how ignorant the people wanting old Aatrox back are. WHEN FUCKING HASHINSHIN CAN MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST IT you should know you're wrong. Except Hashinshin didn't make a good argument. He made suppositions with no evidence and explained how Aatrox's kit changed minorly over the 5 years he existed. Not sure how that even remotely compares the full deletion.
> [{quoted}](name=Support Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=35R1VRrv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-12-09T15:28:51.043+0000) > > Except Hashinshin didn't make a good argument. He made suppositions with no evidence and explained how Aatrox's kit changed minorly over the 5 years he existed. Not sure how that even remotely compares the full deletion. Do I actually have to defend fucking hashinshin because you don't want to watch the video. From around 7 mins to 10 mins he talks about specific parts of his kit that changed, the build path and his playstyle THAT IS CALLED SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. Also you're using the word suppositions wrong like do you mean assumptions since a supposition is used normally when someone is making a guess he wasn't making a guess he was making a statement and a supposition actually needs proof. Like he is a example: " because Aatrox built lifesteal I believe he played like a drain tank" that is a supposition. "Aatrox is a drain tank" that is a assumption.
: Pyke gold generation with ULT has to go for fairness purposes
Ummmm what? This makes no sense at all. Your argument only works if the ad support item still gives gold. Like pyke's gold is still the same compared to any support. The gold difference between pyke and a another support is the fucking same actually pyke gets hit fucking harder but I guess you just wanted to go "ree nerf pyke" like guess what pyke can't build support items he builds assassin items meaning he needs more gold meaning any nerfs to gold will be a nerf to him more then most supports.
: The Super Top speaks the truth
I mean he is actually 100% right. Like if this guy talked like this all the time he would be so much better. He goes over the old kit and the small rework to explain his reasoning which is how you argue. Like wow just wow I mean when he is isn't talking about Aatrox it's pretty bad. Like this is actually pretty jarring to listen too compared to when he talks about basically anything else. This just shows how ignorant the people wanting old Aatrox back are. WHEN FUCKING HASHINSHIN CAN MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT AGAINST IT you should know you're wrong.
: I wrote this as I was going in game as Shen. I never thought about it cuz I really don't play tanks much but I realized, what really can you build? Game went well cuz the Akali wasn't playing optimally (not abusing how much she outranges Shen allows me to just trade with Grasp Q autos w/out needing E), but against an actually good Akali I'm pretty sure I'd just be screwed.
O shen welp that is a horrible match up for shen even if conqueror wasn't in the game. My opinion is take aftershock since you're not going to be trading much(if they're good) and go into wave clear then MR. Like that is sadly just a lose for shen since her w and passive makes it impossible for him to trade effectively. But always keep in mind you're playing a tank not a fighter or bruiser you're utility and frontline ,losing lane along as it's not really bad is fine and you can still do more then your opponent even if down in gold.
: 2 Options for Omnistone
Yeah the rune is fucking trash as it is, which is really sad since we had kleptomancy which actually give lot of champions more options, was good and was fun. This rune is just fun actually I think it's less fun then kleptomancy. Like it's a troll rune nothing else. Like if you could pick the rune you got it would be great and it would gives champions more options. But in my opinion it should be removed and kleptomancy should be put back.
: Morgana is a very problematic champion
Riot should nerf support and buff mid. Like lower the q duration but increased the scaling and increase the cooldown on the spell shield buff, remove the missing hp from the w buff increase its damage on champions only. Those are the changes I personally want to see.
: How do you itemize in lane against a Conqueror Akali as a tank?
? What tanks are you playing? Since by the time she is healing from conqueror you should be leaving. But also probably just don't build anti heal since it's shit vs ap champions as a tank and probably better just to wait out laning.
: Kindred should get a rework like Diana did
Personally I want the old passive back it made the kit work better together and it felt better in my opinion. But I think kindred is in a good spot the main problem I have is that jg sucks. Actually the main problem I have is the people wanting a rework since they don't play the champion and are pretty clueless about the champion. Since they say stuff like they're always broken or bad without any proof since they just hate the champion and nothing else or the people saying wolf needs to be half the champion without realizing that would turn the champion into something else.
: Why has aatrox not been reverted yet?
So he should go back to being a horrible champion that took no skill and that nobody played ok. Like I hate to break this to you but NOBODY LIKE OLD AATROX. Even when he was broken he wasn't played much. Like when he has op his playrate reached around the same playrate as a tank when they're good which means it wasn't good since he is a carry champion and then they're op there playrate is pretty high. Aatrox was a success it give Aatrox actual players.
: Top lane is still the same mess
Please explain to me why no one is playing range champions if they're so op? Since you got ryze in the top 3 but after that vlad is like 15th place then the rest are 20 or lower YOU KNOW PRETTY STANDARD for those champions, the only one is is a outlier is ryze. Pretty weird that the majority of champions being played are melee not range despite them some how being unbeatable. Also range champions have always been in top lane sooooo maybe play them? Maybe the problem is you not the game.
darkdill (NA)
: So SMITE has Team RWBY skins now available, but LoL can't even get a tiny reference?
I personally want more skins themed around a existing IP, was hoping for that with the shonen skins but we didn't get that. Sadly the closest we have gotten were those rap skins a patch ago where riot worked with a horrble company like actually horrible. Personally I want a partnership with pokemon for pokemon skins.
: 0/10/0. Jesus fuck was he *actually* running it down?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HZRzwyFW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-30T11:53:33.083+0000) > > 0/10/0. Jesus fuck was he *actually* running it down? Bty that means basically every 2 mins he died. As swain of all champions like wtf. How does he actually have people watch and take in seriously. This is why there are no top laners on the balance team.
: Remember when i said Senna ADC should be nerfed because it will be broken despite what Riot says?
Hmmmm wow a post that is nothing for bs getting upvotes great. I love that your only reason for her being strong is basically winrate showing you clearly don't understand statistics. Her heal isn't good especially early game so idk why you think she has good sustain o I actually do know why you think that just you haven't even seen or played her and you're just looking at her abilities since you want to complain about something. Like I'm even going to go over more since most of it is you saying them should remove something for no reason other then you going reeee. Guess what her playrate is shit, she is statistically weaker compared to lot of adcs like 4% fucking playrate that isn't good. Having a 4% playrate means you're most likely in need of buffs. Please don't use statistics since you don't understand them, please stop saying champions are op because you want to rant about something, and please give real arguments to why champions are op.
: Hey, don't argue that way please, there is a better way than calling someone a troll and mocking them.
You're 100% right. Like I shouldn't be doing that. But at the same time THIS POST SHOULD NOT HAVE UPVOTES and that fact that it does is really sad. Since it's 100% wrong. But these people will ignore everything just because they want to cry about how old league was so much better. I play jg and jg is pretty shit right now but I'm not going to say it's impossible to jg or riot killed jg since that isn't true. If you think there is a problem give a reason that's true and not bs. Like the main reason is the slow on auto attacks something ashe has had for fucking years and it makes 0 sense to be on a juggernaut instead of going o wait that makes no sense these people go that stuff isn't real and you're a fan boy reeee.
: Can somebody explain why Elder Dragon is so OP?
Magikrap (NA)
: If ADCs can go top lane they are too strong.
Who? {{champion:133}} {{champion:67}} since they have always be able to top. Name one adc that isn't those two with more then a 3% playrate top. Adcs can't top.
: Tencent doesn't force companies to make changes, you're right. It just throws a few billion dollars worth of weight around. That's not forcing. Fast-paced games aren't popular there? Mobile games dominate the market. The Chinese mobile gaming market is one of the largest gaming markets in the industry by a large margin. But you're right, mobile games are super long and strategy focused. I mean, have you seen Raid? That game takes a billion years to play, each time. Got to set aside an entire life-time for each session. Your only point to counter the arguments that others are making is the claim that fast-paced games aren't popular in China and an industry worth a few billion dollars would beg to disagree. But yeah keep calling people racist because you don't know how to actually form an argument. If you're going to keep returning to this single point I am going to need to say *ahem* CITATION PLEASE? Edit: I'd also like to add that this wasn't even my point or argument, your immediate jump to labeling people as a bigot just irritated me enough to address you.
Ummmmmm mobile games are fast paced because THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT OF THEM. Mobile games do well because that is where the majority of people there can play games,they can't afford pc and anyone with half a brain can see that.But the majority of pc games that do well take a lot of time to play. Fast paced pc games don't do well in china so there is 0 fucking reason why they would do that. It's pretty sad you say I used a strawman when you bring up something completely irrelevant to make a argument lol. Here is your argument. "Mobile games do really well in china meaning tencent forces riot to make there game fast paced despite the fact basically all mobile games have to be fast paced,mobile games make a shit load of money in basically every country china has the largest population so it makes fucking sense, and basically all popular games on pc require a lot of time. Also yes tencent does just throw money at companies look at there fucking investments it's all over the place. Like tencent owns are mobile moba that had done very well in china already but riot is also making a moba for mobile meaning tencent is fucking fighting for market share vs it's self. Like no that shows the fucking opposite. Yeah I'm going to call you racist since that's the only way you can actually believe shit that dumb. If you're going to act racist you're a racist. You what to know what games do well in na cod, battle royales, fucking all thesports games. Slow paced games like dota or league are rarely talked about in na. If the developers are from a region that likes fast paced games maybe that is why it's moving in that direction. Instead of blaming riot you blame tencent since they're from a different country so they much be the problem.
: So, first off, China isn't a race it is a country. Chinese isn't a race, it is a nationality. Putting your straw-man of the guy's point aside, Tencent literally owns Riot. Tencent is a massive Chinese company with a long track record and history of pushing bad market trends in favor of China's mobile gaming market. They don't care about the rest of the world. They are the reason we have mobile games coming out of riot (as announced at the 10th-anniversary special). To say that they don't have a massive amount of pull and sway is not only intellectually disingenuous but factually incorrect. Do you want to argue against his point? Fine, go for it. But argue against his point, not some wild out of left field straw-man you pulled out of thin air. Arguments by order of validity: Valid = The Chinese pull on the market is not responsible for the current game state. Invalid = The Chinese do not have a pull on the market Invalid = the Chinese do not have a large and dominant influence over League Invalid = You're racist.
My straw man is using demographics to say why it's wrong. I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW WHAT A STRAW MAN IS. Tencent doesn't force it companies to make changes and thinking that probably means you are racist since you are going against basically all proof and reason to do it. Why would tencent go against basically all market research to what you're saying? Again fast paced games aren't popular there, the games that are popular requires lot of hours to be put in. Like again fast paced games work in NA not china. So if anything it's opposite if tencent is doing that. Like give a real argument not your racist paranoid nonsense.
: why do they keep making champions that are so overloaded?
Ummmmm you know that nothing you said is true right? Older champions are usually bad because of poor design right? Both those champions aren't overloaded you are mixing up complex and overloaded. Overloaded is something that gives a champion too much. Ornn when he had his shield and his cc negate was overloaded while having a pretty simple kit not counting the passive. He had to lose something since having both of them made him too strong.
Yoosias (EUW)
: Towershield gold should be removed
So early game champions are bad ok. The point of them is so towers don't get taken early but early game champions still get a reward. Also if someone is getting all the gold from a tower YOU'RE afk like that is very hard to do. Your post is basically just " I don't want to learn how to lane give me a free lane"
: Why are Pyke and Senna allowed to be exempt from the support changes?
Pyke is pretty bad bty. Both also pyke needs gold since he is a assassin, and senna build path is pretty bad. Ad items cost more then support items meaning ad supports need more gold.
CyberPhobic (EUNE)
: So you think Vlad is a balanced champion? You believe Ryze is in a good place? You think Quinn top is fine?
Ryze needs nerfs, vlad needs a full rework other then that he is fine maybe a small nerf, and I pretty sure quinn needs buffs. Also all those champions are top laners they have always been there pretty much.
CyberPhobic (EUNE)
: When Im autofilled support I cant exactly pick Darius or Mordekaiser bot
Because most of those range champions have always been top laners. Like vlad if anything is more of a top then a mid. I also love that you act like melee champions aren't being played despite them being the most played champions there still. Currently the top 5 most played top laners in diamond are Aatrox,mord,fiora,ryze and darius. Also the next range champion is vlad with a 5% playrate at fucking 15th place. Range champions aren't being played. It's basically ryze that is the outlier. Maybe try learning how to play vs them since clearly they're not being played for a reason.
: In the last revision, {{champion:266}} received true power. Experienced players played on it and he had 1.53% pick rate 57% win rate, he was like {{champion:13}} and now {{champion:136}}
No he wasn't. He was horrible. That is why they buffed him to be broken af at the end. He had that winrate because he was a skill less carry nothing else.
: Mordekaiser
Are you sure it's not that you're team comp was horrible, you and your top fed. Like they were going to win if there top was darius or someone else. Like this shows you have no clue wtf to do vs mord "All he had to do was flash banish my arc, and heal his way to victory." Like you know the adc isn't everything right? You know the enemy is down a player also right? You know your neeko and it's basically impossible for a mord to kill you right? Especially with that build right? Like you know you didn't have %pen in a 40 min game right? Like how about you try learn about how to fight a champion before complaining in fact I'm pretty sure that the fact he was mord give you a chance. Since if that was a darius or renekton that fed you would of lost Much faster. Please don't say a champion is op when he is fed since it means nothing.
: Who remembers the old Aatrox?
Apparently not not the people that want him back. Since they thought he was perfectly balanced and that more then like 7 people actually mained him. Old Aatrox was either a shit champion or broken and took almost no skill to play that almost nobody played. Also xin is basically the same champion but actually can be balanced sooo. Also I don't think you know anything about new or old Aatrox going from you calling him riven 2.0 when they play very differently.
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