: lol you're full of shit, cya!
guy, guys, can we at least be civil? cant we compromise since your actually both correct. or at least my opinion is that you are both correct. ill admit that this person did not bait me directly, i was a victim of my own ignorance regarding how the zero tolerance policy works. but cant we also just admit that baiting some one into responding with something toxic by berating them in chat is feasible although not what happened to me. i mean does it really matter how u bait someone into saying a chat resticted word the end result is the same. whether u just type the n word a million times or if u just berate someone saying ur bad and pinging kd all game in the hopes that something snaps. isnt the result the same? i think both should be considered coercion but again thats just my opinion. as for this pyramid scheme, i mean it sounds like it might be possible but i'll also admit it kinda sounds like an area 51 level conspiracy theory. but i think telling some one they are full of bs is a bit much regardless. "i have never heard of of such an organization of trolls existing, would u mind if i ask how u heard about this group, i.e. ur source" probably would have sufficed.
: They say it's a algorithm but it's a Frankenstein of a system, with both manual input and learning input involved, but in the end it just basically targets phrases and marks them "negative" (ex. go fuck yourself X teammate, you're an asshole) than it marks that in your player behavior history, if you get enough of these marks you get a punishment. [Edit] Excess chatting will also give you a negative mark, excess being more than 20-40 chat lines. (depends on time length of the game) The system only runs if you get reported (all it takes is 1 report). You lose punishment marks for games honored and games of which you didn't get marked negative. Each punishment tier makes the next negative mark trigger punishments, so if you got 10 game chat restrict you have to be more honorable than before or else you won't go back to normal tier. You will trigger punishments more often for being negative each tier, that's why anything negative you say at 14 day ban will result in a permanent ban. To drop a punishment tier you have to have 2-3 months of games played (around 150) with unreported or non negative marked reports, or get 50-75 honorable games. Punishment tier is as follows **[10 Games Chat Restriction]** > **[25 Games Chat Restriction]** > **[14 Day Ban](comes with a finale warning)** > **[Permanent Ban]** Riot used to have a 3 strike rule for **Zero-tolerance** words per game but changed it to 1 because of abuse by trolls/greifers. ------ I have been honor level 4 and have been chat restricted, and back to honor level 3, I've also studied the player behavior boards with people posting there chat logs and what level punishment tier they were at. This is what I've gathered so far, now not all the information may be correct but they somewhat correct at the very least. ----- Riot can't manually review every report they are just too many and if people want there case to be manually reviewed they must send in a support ticket. The reports they have to manually review are greifers/trolls and when they do eventually get those reports handle they still follow the punishment tier rules (so the first offense = 10 games chat restriction), the only other way for trolls to get banned is if they come to boards to complained about there chat logs no being toxic and riot tantrum personally permanent banning them (this has happened 4-8 times).
very informative and well written sir, ty. btw ive never been chat restricted or banned or anything before this. and i got really high honor level last season so im not too worried about the punishment tiers or whatever. got pretty well informed by you fine gentlemen of the internet, and now that i know how the whole system works i wont get baited again by some troll/greifer. hopefully this post helps other ppl in the future gleam a bit of insight as well. that way even though we cant have tribunal at least we can help ppl navigate the pitfalls/ loopholes of the current system. honestly i dont even care if anything happens to the rengar who flamed/reported me, if one person can feel better while feeling unjustly banned for being report-baited i think i'll be happy. #payitforward
: > [{quoted}](name=callmemischeif,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OA2WzPVH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-04-17T10:48:02.908+0000) > > 1.chat logs just got posted above > 2. people keep talking about the system and stuff."the system doesnt care", etc. ... so does that mean the ban system is just an algorithm or program? and btw if it doesnt care about the situation then they should fix that because context is everything. and regardless there should be some sort of appeal system in place for times like this. i mean machines make mistakes too. therefore wouldn't it make sense to have a real person to solve these mistakes? i was hoping there was a more formal way to go about this besides posting on some random forum/message board. do u know if there is one? sry to ask u a million questions btw. dont feel obligated to go out of your way answering them but any insight would be appreciated. Context doesn't mean much when the policy on such words is so strict, meaning specific words alert the system regardless of context. Context would be incredibly difficult for a system to take into account for an absurd amount of reasons and would require human intervention, which A) is the reason the tribunal has been shut down. B) would take such an absurd amount of man power it would not be worth it. I can clearly see that is you quoting the player. Contact support and they may be lenient on you, but remember how the system is. No more quoting people. If you use one of the systems trigger words, you will be hit. If it something you wouldn't tell a random passerby on the street, don't say it, don't quote it, and mute them and move on.
honestly i dont have much familiarity with how riot monitors before this because ive never been chat restricted or really had any interaction with the punishment system before this. i can understand why riot has to rely on the software that is in place. its at least nice to know that riot tried to do it the right way with tribunal in the past even tho it wasn't sustainable/ feasible. i never even knew about this tribunal system before making this post i just kinda assumed there was more human oversight and i didnt have to worry about being falsely reported. but i dont blame riot and honestly i think its better to have this system in place and get a few mis informed ppl like myself mistakenly 14 day banned than have no system at all and let ppl type whtever toxic thing popped into their head without repercussions
: You're either omitting other chat logs, omitting individual logs from the ones you provided or are otherwise just lying your balls off. I wish Lyte was still around to smite you proper. The chances that you were unfairly banned over what you posted is slim to none. You've been toxic over the course of a great many games if something so tame is ultimately what set off the beacon. In other words, if the 'ban' logs aren't on their own so severe they warrant banning, then it's more of a consistency/accumulative situation in effect. I'm just happy your toxicity has been purged from the greatest game ever made in League of Legends® (all rights reserved)
believe whatever u want to believe my dude. chat logs are there, riot know they are 100% accurate. honestly i couldnt care less what you think. i made this post because i wanted answers on if and how i could resolve this issue. your literally adding nothing to the post besides a paragraph rant calling me a liar. and btw "tame??" i dont think there is any instance where telling some one to kys is a tame offense by any definition of the word. and i understand why there is a program that instantly 14 day bans ppl for telling some one else to kill themselves over a game (however great it may be) and btw u know i got 14 day banned not a perma ban, right? because this is my first offense ever. and as far as i know what your talking about (the accumalitive report/ban thing) is refering to a perma ban. or am i mistaken? lol toxicity has been purged from the greatest game ever made. see u ina week bud. gl hf on the rift. {{sticker:vlad-salute}} oh and p.s. who is lyte?
eaglei3 (NA)
: I don't know if it is bannable, but I personally find it undesirable for any player to admit they are stoned, drunk, or under the influence of anything. I guess it is because most of the time this is their justification to why they feel free to screw up in a game. I wish Riot would make a definite statement about this.
honestly what does being under the influence have to do with anything? im not going into games and inting and then just blaming it on being drunk to avoid blame. if the excuse had been anything else. i.e. im tired, i have to pee really bad and its hard to focuz, etc. shouldnt your reaction be the same. an excuse is an excuse in my eyes. i even said but no excuses afterwards. honestly i dont understand why simply mentioning that your high or drunk triggers so many people. its completely legal where im from so i dont see the problem. this is a video game we are talking about not a job interview. while i can see why you would be frustrated if someone did int u and blame it on some bs excuse. but if its unintentional, i dont see a reason to get mad at someone regardless the reasoning they use to explain their error. it doesnt change the fact that i messed up, admitted i messed up instead of just flaming/blaming someone else, and then im even apologizing for it. if i could go back into the chat logs and delete that excuse i gave, i would.
: > [{quoted}](name=callmemischeif,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OA2WzPVH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-17T10:26:28.942+0000) > > a good policy i would gladly start implementing if i hadnt already found a solution. i found a youtube video on how to modify your game folder to completely remove the chat log. basically all u do is reduce the scale of the chat log to -100 percent. btw a link to ban-able words would be nice i cant seem to find a reliable list anywhere. if u dont know where to find it either that is fine. Riot will never allow such a list to exist, because if they make one, framers will just find ways around it. As for removing chat log, don't. If Riot finds out and they will, they'll ban you for that. Permanently. Also, as I thought. You wrote twice "kys". I understand the context, but Riots ban machine does not. So avoid doing so in the future. As rest of chat goes, you called Rengar useless and were comparing deaths, saying that you at least didn't die as much. That can also be seen as flaming. Again, no matter the context.
well its a good thing i never actually modded my game folder. that guy should put a warning label on his youtube video about that lol. btw when i "compared deaths" it was because rengar had gotten into an arguement with my adc (i was sion support) and he was sitting afk typing her kd in chat. so i pinged random teammates kd as if to say "no one is doing better then her so y are you singling her out" but all he said was well at least i have kills..i wanted to say because u run in and ks 1 hp ppl and then immediatly die and usually u dont even get the kill. but instead all i said was at least i havent died as much as you. i think i chose the better option. pretty sure neither of those numbers were even rengar;s kd i think it was our mid and top since everylane lost. i didnt need to type his or our adc's kd cuz the chat was filled with it already from him. if riot wants to ban me for defending my teammate from a toxic player. fine by me. but dont ban me for explaining wut happened. thats just some bologna.
: > [{quoted}](name=callmemischeif,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=OA2WzPVH,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-04-17T11:50:04.114+0000) > > how do you "submit a ticket" ? Use Riot support. You can find it on this site somewhere. Basically asking them to assign a human being to review your ban, not a machine.
ty arisha and everyone in chat, you have been very kind and insightful. an unfortunately refreshing change of pace from the community ive experienced far too often in this game. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Baka Red (EUNE)
: I agree with Imperial Panda; If you send a support ticket and explain the 'kys' was quoting someone you might get your punishment removed and honor recovered (I think). I suppose the two lines... _callmemischeif: says he person who said callmemischeif: kys _ ...were said in immediate succession "says the person who said kys" - since we cannot see timestamps on the logs, we cannot be sure, but Support people hopefully see them.
they were ment to be the same sentence and the timestamps do show they were said the concurrently. but i understand why someone in your position would be unsure. hopefully riot can see timestamps and everyone's chat logs. because if they do i know they will fix this. btw just sent the ticket.
Xäyąh (NA)
: Submit a support ticket explaining what happened and give your log. Just for the future: don’t quote overly toxic things, since this can happen.
: Two things: 1. Provide chat logs 2. " typed kys but only as a quote" Don't quote people. This is likely what got you banned because the system doesn't care about the situations.
1.chat logs just got posted above 2. people keep talking about the system and stuff."the system doesnt care", etc. ... so does that mean the ban system is just an algorithm or program? and btw if it doesnt care about the situation then they should fix that because context is everything. and regardless there should be some sort of appeal system in place for times like this. i mean machines make mistakes too. therefore wouldn't it make sense to have a real person to solve these mistakes? i was hoping there was a more formal way to go about this besides posting on some random forum/message board. do u know if there is one? sry to ask u a million questions btw. dont feel obligated to go out of your way answering them but any insight would be appreciated.
Baka Red (EUNE)
: I am sorry to tell you, but if you wish to know why you were banned, you will have to provide your non-altered chat logs for that purpose. You received them with the punishment message. Just telling us a story (true or otherwise) won't help with that.
i know i was just unsure how to copy the chat logs when i made this post. i was hoping someone to tell me how but i figured it out myself. spent a good half hour trying to find where it gets saved to until i finally realized its not a file but like literally copy n pasted like with ctrl c/ ctrl v. i posted it above
: I doubt automated ban system that Riot uses can see difference between telling someone and quoting someone. So just don't type any auto 14 days ban words in chat, no matter the context. Also, pop ups off someone you reported being banned doesn't always show up, so he might be banned. If you remember his name, you can use something like lolking to check activity of his account.
a good policy i would gladly start implementing if i hadnt already found a solution. i found a youtube video on how to modify your game folder to completely remove the chat log. basically all u do is reduce the scale of the chat log to -100 percent. btw a link to ban-able words would be nice i cant seem to find a reliable list anywhere. if u dont know where to find it either that is fine.
: someone told me "kys" and i got banned instead of them.
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