Putyin4Life (EUNE)
: Says an unranked with 0 ranked game. You aren't aware of the fact that most players think balance team is not doing well rn. It took like 3 months to nerf riven and vayne. 3 fucking monrhs
Oh yeah,but do you know Riven has been extremely weak for 3 years ?? 3 fucking years!! But never get noticed.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=callmetopkiler,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:15:49.983+0000) > > Wow,conquerors,how much can conquerors heal a hero?? During one fight Riven does 1000 damage, the conquerors heals no more than 100, less than a Q of Renekton. I don't know why a champion cannot beat anyone on lane with the same segment can be considered as overloaded, you think so just because your enemy were more capable than you,thus they can beat you with Riven. Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:39:20.273+0000) > > Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. > > That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least. Don't you think a 10s CD of shield is too long for a Riven? Even if Riven has 40% CD, there is still 6s CD, 6s is enough for a team to kill Riven 3 times, and now we haven't considered Riven would be weaker on lane that it is hardly possible for a Riven player to get item advantages. If they really prolong the CD of shield in such scale, shouldn't they prolong the last time of shield? Even a 2s shield is acceptable.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=callmetopkiler,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:15:49.983+0000) > > Wow,conquerors,how much can conquerors heal a hero?? During one fight Riven does 1000 damage, the conquerors heals no more than 100, less than a Q of Renekton. I don't know why a champion cannot beat anyone on lane with the same segment can be considered as overloaded, you think so just because your enemy were more capable than you,thus they can beat you with Riven. Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:39:20.273+0000) > > Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. > > That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least. Futhermore, in my server, Malphite is also a high pickrate champion, these players need to do nothing but only some easy-going last hits, and wait for your juggle and QRE, and teleport to bot REQ to help teammates on bot to get advantages, his items are all defensive and you know how hard to kill a Malphite with item advantages, when it comes to team battle, the only thing they need to do is R 2 to 3 enemies, and the following is the victory. Also Malphite is not weak on lane, he couters most part of physical champions, in any forum you can see that so many players get the segment of diamond using Malphite with nearly 70 winrate, but Riot thinks 'Malphite is almost the healthiest champion'. So why not nurf Malphite??
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=callmetopkiler,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:15:49.983+0000) > > Wow,conquerors,how much can conquerors heal a hero?? During one fight Riven does 1000 damage, the conquerors heals no more than 100, less than a Q of Renekton. I don't know why a champion cannot beat anyone on lane with the same segment can be considered as overloaded, you think so just because your enemy were more capable than you,thus they can beat you with Riven. Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-08T00:39:20.273+0000) > > Yeah while Renekton doesn't have like 4 dashes, a knock up, a stun, a shield, an empowered auto. At least he's not as overloaded as Riven. > > That crocodile is much fairer than Riven to say the least. ok,maybe it's my fault in expressing, I mean the heal from the conquerors is almost negligible for Riven, she still extremely needs death dance if want to get visible heal. Her shield is the only reason to fight with Darius,Jax,Fiona and so many champions on lane, and the only reason she can fight in a team battle, if you really find a Riven hard to kill, that must be she gets roiled on lane, and has too much superiority,which means your teammate or you behave too bad on lane. Maybe a good Riven player is really hard to deal with, but these kind of players are rare(A good player of any champion is hard to deal with ), there is no possiblity that 10 percent pickrate of Riven are good players, the only thing I can say is the ability of most players are so terrible that they cannot win a Riven with not so much experience.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=callmetopkiler,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-07T14:56:16.101+0000) > > So Riven has death dance when the game begins? Fiona,Darius,Reneketon,Hecarim,ILLaoi, tell me which is easy to fight with Riven, why you guys cannot win Riven on lane?? When Riven got Black Cleaver and death dance, my Fiona has already get four items , when Riven gets killed, she is easy to be roiled okay?You guys just do not have the ability to beat Riven,because you are not as experienced as your enemy. Having the ability to beat a champion will not magically make them healthy and riven is not the only champion that's guilty of being unhealthy. Don't pretend we are shifting all complaint on her alone. I can beat that champ easy with Vel'Koz and Urgot. But she is still an overloaded champion. "So Riven has death dance when the game begins? " And you are ignoring conquerors? Really? Wow.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-07T15:56:39.292+0000) > > Having the ability to beat a champion will not magically make them healthy and riven is not the only champion that's guilty of being unhealthy. Don't pretend we are shifting all complaint on her alone. I can beat that champ easy with Vel'Koz and Urgot. But she is still an overloaded champion. > > "So Riven has death dance when the game begins? " > And you are ignoring conquerors? Really? Wow. Wow,conquerors,how much can conquerors heal a hero?? During one fight Riven does 1000 damage, the conquerors heals no more than 100, less than a Q of Renekton. I don't know why a champion cannot beat anyone on lane with the same segment can be considered as overloaded, you think so just because your enemy were more capable than you,thus they can beat you with Riven.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: Are you delusional? 24/7 complaints on boards about riven, and when riot finally listens, you pop in and complain why riven is nerfed? Do you have any idea how unhealthy your champ is? She has everything but a heal, but with conqueror and death dance, she has everything.
> [{quoted}](name=DalekZec,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-07T12:11:24.979+0000) > > Are you delusional? > 24/7 complaints on boards about riven, and when riot finally listens, you pop in and complain why riven is nerfed? > > Do you have any idea how unhealthy your champ is? She has everything but a heal, but with conqueror and death dance, she has everything. So Riven has death dance when the game begins? Fiona,Darius,Reneketon,Hecarim,ILLaoi, tell me which is easy to fight with Riven, why you guys cannot win Riven on lane?? When Riven got Black Cleaver and death dance, my Fiona has already get four items , when Riven gets killed, she is easy to be roiled okay?You guys just do not have the ability to beat Riven,because you are not as experienced as your enemy.
roughvan (EUNE)
: You have no idea what you are talking about, Riven doesn't need to win lane at all, she isn't meant to win lane hard. Her mobility allows for her to not be punished by ganks and can chase down any champion while dealing tons of damage. Riven doesn't need to win lane, if she goes even and it is 30 minutes, good luck winning against good riven player. Darius doesn't scale, if he doesn't get kills, he won't be useful late game while riven will destroy carries. All her CC abilities both third Q and W can stun multiple targets and even 3-5 in team fights if they are close, Riven so many times just flashes on a team and does that. All of riven's cc/damaging abilities can hit multiple targets, only shield is self cast and still gives a dash. Riven is strong because it is solo queue, there's no communication, at best someone can ping but players will never be able to counter a good riven player. She has 52,51% win rate currently on op.gg and you can see her moments of weakness are supposed to be below 25 minutes but even at that time she has 51% win rate, from 25 to 40 minutes she is at 53-54% win rate, so where do you see her weakness? At 40+ minutes she still has over 51% win rate. If her winrate is always above 50, do you not think she should be nerfed when she has 10% pick rate? I know that no matter how much they nerf riven, she'll still be one of the best picks unless they gut her like Tahm Kench just based on her abilities and dashes. I guess Riven shouldn't be nerfed directly but conqueror as it boosts winrates on so many champions, i won't complain much as i play quite a few champions that use it but if it gets nefed it will be tank meta and most people don't want to see it again.
> [{quoted}](name=roughvan,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=K0EUxEgQ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-05-07T12:51:58.107+0000) > > You have no idea what you are talking about, Riven doesn't need to win lane at all, she isn't meant to win lane hard. Her mobility allows for her to not be punished by ganks and can chase down any champion while dealing tons of damage. Riven doesn't need to win lane, if she goes even and it is 30 minutes, good luck winning against good riven player. > > Darius doesn't scale, if he doesn't get kills, he won't be useful late game while riven will destroy carries. All her CC abilities both third Q and W can stun multiple targets and even 3-5 in team fights if they are close, Riven so many times just flashes on a team and does that. All of riven's cc/damaging abilities can hit multiple targets, only shield is self cast and still gives a dash. > > Riven is strong because it is solo queue, there's no communication, at best someone can ping but players will never be able to counter a good riven player. > > She has 52,51% win rate currently on op.gg and you can see her moments of weakness are supposed to be below 25 minutes but even at that time she has 51% win rate, from 25 to 40 minutes she is at 53-54% win rate, so where do you see her weakness? At 40+ minutes she still has over 51% win rate. If her winrate is always above 50, do you not think she should be nerfed when she has 10% pick rate? > > I know that no matter how much they nerf riven, she'll still be one of the best picks unless they gut her like Tahm Kench just based on her abilities and dashes. > > I guess Riven shouldn't be nerfed directly but conqueror as it boosts winrates on so many champions, i won't complain much as i play quite a few champions that use it but if it gets nefed it will be tank meta and most people don't want to see it again. Riven doesn't need to win lane at all because now Riven is already a team battle champion, her ability on the lane is supported on the experience and practice of Riven players, but if a team battle champion cannot make any effort in a team battle then how to win this game?If an bot can be dashed by a Riven with only EQ, don't you think this bot just choose a bad position? A good Riven player worked hard and owns the ability higher than others in the same game but still stay in the same segment, and now some guys think this player should be countered, aren't we Riven players paying bills for your weakness??When Riven is weak,we just practiced hard and never asked to nurf other champions, but now??If you dont want to pay to practice,you deserve being defeated by Riven.
: Indeed like yasou she has a built-in damage amp, though requires micromanagement to use it. But I'd say the problem is mostly due to having multiple dashes, being resourceless, and having a shield that scales with attack damage; as well as several offensive items offering utility and durability, making her deceptively difficult to punish once she gets rolling.
> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fTi3V1jM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-06T15:38:07.116+0000) > > Indeed like yasou she has a built-in damage amp, though requires micromanagement to use it. > But I'd say the problem is mostly due to having multiple dashes, being resourceless, and having a shield that scales with attack damage; as well as several offensive items offering utility and durability, making her deceptively difficult to punish once she gets rolling. Then why can a Riven get rolling??Do you know that with same segment, Riven is hard to fight against almost all champions on top?? If you get killed , the only word to say is you sucks, how can you be rolled by a Riven? Whatsmore, Riven players payed thousands of games to practice this champion, shouldn't they get rewarded??You think a player with 2000 games expierence cannot beat you idots with only 50 games is acceptable??
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