: Also I like how they disguised this lux buff as a nerf with some minor changes to the abilities that we have been talking about being either too strong or non-consistent with other similar abilities.
She needed the ult buff as a mid laner (I 100% agree with them saying that the CD refund was inconsequential too frequently) and she got hard-nerfed as a support since her shield power is mostly on AP ratio now.
iiGazeii (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BlueAirplane,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=vlrmvfza,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-16T18:18:25.458+0000) > > rip akali.. We will remember you.. These changes are overall buffs for Akali. She can be revealed in her shroud and her ult cooldown is longer, but her shroud has more uptime, she gets a huge boost in damage, and she has more energy to work with in the early game. If the enemy doesn't have a spell that reveals people, her shroud is the same as before but on a shorter cooldown and she has more damage.
That she can be revealed in her shroud means that she lost a huge part of her ability to survive.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=catchick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XEb8oeyN,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T00:50:05.258+0000) > > When she is ganked, maybe? Lux already had the exact shield she currently has in PBE once (6.6.), and it's the weakest she has ever been in the game. Hell, her current PBE shield is even weaker than it was then since it had a 3 second duration. I don't get why they didn't try out the first nerf in live before returning the ability to the weakest it has ever been. > > (BTW, Lux's shield being good for her but far weaker for your team (before 6.6) was the strongest she has ever been in the game.) A good Lux shouldn't be getting effectively ganked. She's an artillery mage with a vision spell and cc. The only case her shield should be for herself is if someone is clearly gunning for her, at which point due to her range advantage she should get it off before they reach her.
Lux can't be dived? Either way, you're still ignoring the fact that Lux had the exact same shield she currently has in the PBE once and that it was bad for both her and her teammates. I predict that the current PBE shield nerf going through will be so harsh it will result in a fast revert like the Karhtus ult AP ratio nerf or the Yi Alpha nerf.
Terozu (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=catchick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XEb8oeyN,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T00:09:23.224+0000) > > It's a delay cast shield that takes 2 seconds for Lux to get its full effect. Janna's shield is at 220 instant shielding. Yuumi's passive shield is at 228-300 on higher levels. Like I said, Lux already had this shield at one point in the game (6.6), and she was at her absolute weakest then. Her first PBE shield nerf had made her shield noticeable weaker. The new one is overkill. I honestly thing if this goes through they will be forced to adjust her shield almost immediately next patch. It already happened once. Lux's shield isn't meant to be great for her. It's meant for her teammates. Very rarely should she be somewhere the shield root even matters.
When she is ganked, maybe? Lux already had the exact shield she currently has in PBE once (6.6.), and it's the weakest she has ever been in the game. Hell, her current PBE shield is even weaker than it was then since it had a 3 second duration. It's not even particularly great for your allies, too. I don't get why they didn't try out the first nerf in live before returning the ability to the weakest it has ever been. (BTW, Lux's shield being good for her but far weaker for your team (before 6.6) was the strongest she has ever been in the game.)
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 5
Hey, keep Lux as she was in the previous PBE update? Her shield was already noticeable weaker in a way that was fair. The new change brings her back to 6.6 and leaves her shield as an essentially useless ability that only self-roots. I guarantee that the first shield nerf would have been enough to kill her winrate as a support. At least try it out first in live.
Terozu (NA)
: Calling it a weak shield is kind of odd considering it'll still be the strongest base shield in the game, not to mention it can target everyone on her team.
It's a delay cast shield that takes 2 seconds for Lux to get its full effect. Janna's shield is at 220 instant shielding. Yuumi's passive shield is at 228-300 on higher levels. Like I said, Lux already had this shield at one point in the game (6.6), and she was at her absolute weakest then. Her first PBE shield nerf had made her shield noticeable weaker. The new one is overkill. I honestly thing if this goes through they will be forced to adjust her shield almost immediately next patch. It already happened once.
Terozu (NA)
: Dear god no. Her W is fine. It was overpowered af and the main reason she's been the flavor of the month. Let them Nerf it, her support self won't suffer that much. Only people abusing her will care about this.
They had already nerfed her W, taken away 30%-40% of its base shielding power and lowered its duration from 3 seconds to 2.5 seconds. The new nerf reverted the shield to an even worse situation that its 6.6 state (since at 6.6 it at least had a 3 second duration), and at that point it was an absolutely worthless ability. I don't get why they decided to bring it back to a point at which Lux was at her weakest. Lux's W has a 40% ratio with a delayed cast and base values comparable to any support shield except other shields have secondary effects. I don't see any reason for the shield to exist in its current PBE state, even for Lux mid. Like I said, it was already this weak at one point in the game, and it was completely worthless, too. Hell, that's what triggered the absurd amount of buffs it got. This was fine: Max Shield amount changed from [150/195/240/285/330 (+60% AP)] to [100/140/180/220/260 (+60% AP)] This is just useless: Max Shield amount changed from [150/195/240/285/330 (+60% AP)] to [100/130/160/190/220 (+40% AP)] Between a weak shield that does nothing but shield and the ability to wave clear I'd rather have the second. Edit: I guess it would be fine if they removed the self-rooting during casting.
Rioter Comments
: I Think I Finally Understand What it takes to Climb
Win your lane to increase your chances of winning the coinflip. If you don't win your lane then you might win the coinflip and still lose due to you.
Terozu (NA)
: Will you guys please stop imagining that people who play Lux are defending her gameplay state?
People wouldn't be playing her support if it wasn't for Aftershock, though.
: Aftershock VS Arcane Comet | Catchers VS APCs
I don't think that's a completely bad idea, but mid Lux's wave clear is already so bad that people NEED to take minion demat if they want to one-shot ranged minions at any point of the game. I do think that nerfing her rank 1 abilities would be the best way to nerf Lux, though. It would keep support Lux's teamfighting strength while nerfing her current lane dominance. I think she easily has the best level 3 for any support right now.
: of those only two of them give resistances, and the only one that gives burst protection is Zhonyas which is better for a burst mage playstyle than actually scrapping. AP bruisers don't have a {{item:3053}} {{item:3156}} or anything with lifeline on it, they don't have any {{item:3071}} or {{item:3078}} items to make them tankier while giving them a lot of CDR and damage. They have the health and AP items but nothing to keep that HP of theirs up except what's in their kits. The new changes to half those items {{item:3151}}, {{item:3001}}, and {{item:3027}} all getting reworked for 9.13 to have madness in them, giving more damage for staying power. That'll encourage some tankier builds hopefully since the items are useless for bursting.
> [{quoted}](name=crippler38,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hfNufnUH,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-11T23:31:28.118+0000) > > of those only two of them give resistances, and the only one that gives burst protection is Zhonyas which is better for a burst mage playstyle than actually scrapping. > > AP bruisers don't have a {{item:3053}} {{item:3156}} or anything with lifeline on it, they don't have any {{item:3071}} or {{item:3078}} items to make them tankier while giving them a lot of CDR and damage. They have the health and AP items but nothing to keep that HP of theirs up except what's in their kits. > > The new changes to half those items {{item:3151}}, {{item:3001}}, and {{item:3027}} all getting reworked for 9.13 to have madness in them, giving more damage for staying power. That'll encourage some tankier builds hopefully since the items are useless for bursting. Abyssal and RoA do give healing, which, in my opinion, is pretty big. Consider that Sylas is getting a buff to his healing specifically while getting a nerf to his damage. I think that's what Riot wants him to be, an AP bruiser.
Barso55 (NA)
: Lux has been too strong and too safe a pick for too long
Here is a fair, decent nerf that I don't know why nobody suggested: Lux ult CD refund only works in actual kills, not on almost kills. A direct nerf to Lux support who has to instantly use her ult so the ADC gets the kill.
: > [{quoted}](name=CPU Lyrica,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hfNufnUH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-11T06:13:45.434+0000) > > Sylas's main problem is that he DOESNT HAVE ITEMS. There aren't Enough AP-Bruiser items, so sylas needs to survive via burst and rediculous healing (Dianna also has a similar issue) Thank you for making this clear point. If people want to be mad as Sylas, direct that hate towards the lack of care towards AP itemization for Fighters and Bruisers. Reminder Rumble is shafted out the ass due to this shit too.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hfNufnUH,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-06-11T20:35:38.932+0000) > > Thank you for making this clear point. If people want to be mad as Sylas, direct that hate towards the lack of care towards AP itemization for Fighters and Bruisers. Reminder Rumble is shafted out the ass due to this shit too. They're literally giving a direct buff to both RoA and Liandry's in the next patch.
: Why can't Darius have an execute indicator ?
Cho is different. He doesn't get a reset on indicator, just a stack.
Vekkna (NA)
: I think Lux is a few small tweaks from balance. * Making Q cooldown 12-9 sec with skill ranks would actually make a pretty significant difference in bot. * Eliminating the shield stacking but keeping the refresh on her W is another option. * Reverting the R CDR on takedown should really be a no-brainer. * Reverting the free lvl 1 attack speed would make her support poke a little less safe but would probably hit mid a little more. Honestly, any two of these would probably bring her back to par.
> [{quoted}](name=Vekkna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jJm1PfAI,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-06-11T22:49:34.660+0000) > > I think Lux is a few small tweaks from balance. > > * Making Q cooldown 12-9 sec with skill ranks would actually make a pretty significant difference in bot. > * Eliminating the shield stacking but keeping the refresh on her W is another option. > * Reverting the R CDR on takedown should really be a no-brainer. > * Reverting the free lvl 1 attack speed would make her support poke a little less safe but would probably hit mid a little more. > > Honestly, any two of these would probably bring her back to par. Two of those were recently changed, the shield stacking and the Q CD, because they nerfed her E. It was a compensation buff. The shield itself only became so strong because they nerfed its move speed so they gave it a compensation buff in the stacking.
: > [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uRjKIyUl,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-10T10:45:38.052+0000) > > lux mid is just fine you cannot nerf her Q because its nerfing her mid lane aswell. the only thing you can do is maybe nerf her W Other champions get general nerfs due to them performing well in X lane/jungle. You just gotta bite the bullet sometimes.
> [{quoted}](name=Carrie Pigeon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uRjKIyUl,comment-id=0001000000000006,timestamp=2019-06-11T22:49:15.653+0000) > > Other champions get general nerfs due to them performing well in X lane/jungle. You just gotta bite the bullet sometimes. Nerf and compensation buff, like Riven, then. And why haven't they nerfed Sona due to her APC performance? She performs even better than Lux in pro games.
Barso55 (NA)
: Lux has been too strong and too safe a pick for too long
Mid Lux is perfectly fair. She has two big weaknesses in her lack of mobility and weak clear wave. Minion demat is the only reason she can even function. The only reason she is even seeing pro-play mid is that she is a big brain counter to Zoe, and that counter is impossible to play unless you're legitimately good at Lux. Lux winrate is only inflated as a support because people figured out how to overcome her core weakness as a support, which was that she insta-died if she got engaged.
: what they need to do is not touching W, but touch early level of Q like make Q maxing rewording, atm you only get some damage and cost more mana which is silly it should root for 1.4/1.6/1.8/2/2.2 or something so maxing it become more importent or change E mana cost so it costs more at early levels but make it not increase in mana cost at all open leveling.
They could definitely do interesting things to discourage Luxes from maxing W first. They currently have no reason to not do it. Maxing Q after E used to be the way to go because it had decreased CD, but they reworked it to flat CD across all levels.
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Moody P (NA)
: Replace Aftershock with Courage of the Colossus
Aftershock isn't just broken on Lux. She is far from its only abuser. Thresh, Naut, Sejuani, Vi, J4, Rammus.
: The thing is, the big majority of players doesn't seem to consider Jinx a problem. She is strong, really strong right now. But she still has a really low banrate. Which means that people actually don't mind her.
Have you looked at Lux's banrate, though? There are 30 champs with higher banrates than her even in pro play.
: So the thing is how to you nerf her? You could nerf her shield but not even support lux maxes it early. Nerf base damage could help but thats not really the issue is it? You could nerf her cooldowns but she already has some of the longest base cooldowns in the game on her normal abilities. Sure her ult is short but no1 complains about support lux ults and thats what strong right now. You could nerf her damage but she has serious issues mid lane with wave clear and her damage really isnt very high for a mage. You could nerf her base numbers but lets be honest, riot would then buff scaling and this would only make more problems. So the only thing left is her safety. This is the reason she is picked support primarily. Nerf aftershock and lux is probably balanced again. Im a lux mid main that hates lux support players. Im all for nerfing her support however you want. But as a mid laner she doesnt have any room for a weaker lane phase.
No, nerfing base numbers and buffing ratios is a good nerf to Lux support. Look at Lux support's build: https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/99 They build a combined amount of AP lower to a single Deathcap. They can tune in her numbers to keep her mostly the same mid due to the Doran's start and Luden's first item.
: That's a good joke
: “Dodge the skillshot” is not an argument [Looking at Lux]
I agree on decreasing Lux's base numbers while buffing her ratios. High elo support Lux's standard build? Athene's, Ardent, Redemption. 3 items with less AP than a single Deathcap.
: Lux has high pickrate and high winrate in all elos
Nerf Aftershock. Lux is far from the only abuser. Nautilus? Aftershock. Thresh? Aftershock. Sejuani? Aftershock. Rammus? Aftershock. All of these champions have high winrates with high playrates. They have one thing in common: Aftershock.
: You already hard nerfed Zyra, it's Lux's turn now
Three ideas: 1. Nerf Spellthief. It's the best support gold generation item, period. How many "OP" champions are abusing it right now? Sona, Yuumi, Lux are all highly contested pro picks, they all use Spellthief. 2. Nerf her base numbers, buff her AP ratios. The usual pro support Lux build? Athene's, Ardent, Redemption. Deathcap by itself already has more AP than their entire build. Pro support Lux relies 100% on her base numbers. Switching her numbers around would keep Lux mid the same but be a direct nerf to support Lux. 3. Change Aftershock. Lux isn't the only one abusing it. J4 and Sejuani are also top priority pro picks. Then you have Thresh and Naut, who also have ridiculously high winrates. Meanwhile, Rammus, Vi and Amumu are dominating soloQ. How is Aftershock not the issue?
atorelle (NA)
: (Your) Experience VS/Being Aftershock Lux Support
They aren't nerfing her yet. I think they're going to wait to see how the upcoming Spellthief changes affect her.

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