: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EQhFJZEs,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-10-21T01:59:50.877+0000) > > Yeah that’s why the better adc lost in G2 vs RNG. > > Lmao. Tanky melee statcheck mains complaining about squishy range statchecks. I’m actually impressed. Can’t wait for Garen to get reworked so you have to use more than 2 brain cells when you play the game. Did you not watch uzi play poorly ? especially in sivir game?
I saw him consistently outperform Hjarnan in every metric and have 1 bad game while he had 4 where was significantly better. Gtfo. Lmao.
: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nxA5JEyk,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-10-21T01:50:49.955+0000) > > Then you literally have not watched worlds lmao. What? Has there been interesting non marksmen pick bots? Different lane setups? No there hasn't. I just watched the two most recent matches earlier. You see the same exact meta and setup you always have and not much champ variety.
“Bot lane gold funnel” Mid/jungle deciding every game. ADC diff hasn’t really meant shit after week 1 because games end in 25min Both Helmer and Morde picked bot lane. Gtfo. Silver analysts with 0 idea just spouting up straight up fucking lies is why Boards is so shit.
: its fucking idiotic. its like other carries are just in this game for fluff. between apc, juggernauts, skirmishers, marksmen, and divers to an extent, why do we even have all these carry classes in this game when they decided that only one of them is supposed to outperform the others by miles?
Yeah that’s why the better adc lost in G2 vs RNG. Lmao. Tanky melee statcheck mains complaining about squishy range statchecks. I’m actually impressed. Can’t wait for Garen to get reworked so you have to use more than 2 brain cells when you play the game.
: I agree with you. Fanboys who vehemently defend everything their favorite company does ruin many things. Watching worlds just reminded me why I stopped playing this game like I used to. Same old boring meta as every other year, same old handful of champions being played out of over a hundred, same old bot lane gold funnel.
: > [{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nxA5JEyk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-20T19:48:38.340+0000) > > And here people circlejerk each other and pretend like everything is wrong with the game. > The difference is that this here is the minority. > > The current Meta is far better than it was the last season, and the game sure as hell isn't dying only because the, I repeat, small minority here complains about literally everything that has either a dash, deals damage or is just popular in general. > > But fuck Riot because they listen to the majority of the playerbase, right? Literally anything that has to do with "damage" is bad, and everything that has to do with "don't die" is good, no matter the context, on these boards.
Mage players don’t know how to play when they can’t spam their spells on the wave. “Having to worry about cooldowns/being in lethal??? What are these foreign concepts?? In S7 I could just afk farm...”
GripaAviara (EUNE)
: At least boosters are playing ranked, since casual players seems to avoid ranked now. /s I had a few friends to duo, nobody plays ranked, they don't want to drop since the matchmaking is total bs atm
Matchmaking at any 5 sucks right now. I had a 53% wr in Plat 4. Made the mistake of playing around the end of the season and literally every game is booster or boosted player. Or people just playing their placement games that were D5 last season and haven’t played all season. This tilts the shit out of people - and then makes _normally_ ok/chill players super toxic/defeatist. Like a couple months ago matchmaking was fine.
: id like a single source on this
Look at Reddit... Iirc Broxah said this. And I’ve seen a lot of other pros interviewed also claim this. This meta is fuckintg amazing for competitive rn, and worlds is super enjoyable to watch.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cowseed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cnwZp0dE,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-19T15:37:50.450+0000) > > If you're on the boards alot your probably have a lot of free time. That is indeed a good point, and the Boards aren't really known for being the majority of the playerbase. But they're being the most vocal about it.
*most vocal on boards. Boards also thinks no one cares about worlds, whereas people on Twitter/YouTube/Reddit (much larger and much more commenters) will disagree.
: I play only garen. I have several alt accounts. All garen. One account is hardstick silver, rest are gold and above. In fact I just fluctuated back to silver 3 then backup to silver 1 on that account then back to silver 2. Same champ. Same skill. Different matchmaking. Different Elo. And I almost always stomp my lane. Doesn't matter Vs a fed zed/Yasuo/jhin Kai said tho and I can't ban 'em all. Some team mates just prefer banning blitz :rofl I don't care I'm just throwing this out there for evidence. It really does exist. You have to remember matchmaking works based on the systems perceivement of your MMR. It's a major flaw.
The difference between Gold4 and Silver 1 isn't really that big - especially if you play a more controlled style instead of a more pub-stompy one, its harder to climb to your actual rank. Silver players are defo more likely to not care about you splitting and just fight anyways. Your playstyle is probably a big reason for this.
: Then again when inting sion carries by taking objectives (solo) people deem it a toxic strategy because it's not fair one person is winning solo, despite his team losing. You dont need 5 people to carry to win games, you need 5 people who are not inting, we've all had games with 1 or 2 guys who didnt play well but someone carried them through fights, happens to me all the time (not saying i do the carry, i just see it happens). Yes, 1 persom outright trolling will ruin ANY team game in ANY season, this notion that in season 4 everything was perfect and shit like afk and inters didnt effect games because "Mah solo carry" is pure nostalgia. It takes 5 willing players to win, but it takes 1 person's will to lose to to do the same but for the enemy team, but that has nothing to do with gane balance and season, sorry.
Yeah... these kind of threads are fking stupid - because if you actually think about it, wouldn’t you love for 4/5 members of your team to be winning, only for some champ to literally roll you 1v5 cause “solo carry”. It’s the same dumbshit reasoning why Irelia is allowed to be so overtuned.
Hügö (EUW)
: Or we could make it a complete defensive item again and not a defensive/damage item.
Ah yes - so instead of being on 3/5 champions - it’ll be on 5/5 champions.
: Viktor is a worst iteration than pre-rework Ezreal.
And he scales into a fucking god. A champion shouldn’t be one of the strongest late game and have a good early - it’s what Kadence Biktor OP in season 6
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 12
Hey Meddler. Any idea when the rune stats changing are going to be going through?
: They do it for the "credibility" it gives them when discussing the game. I remember a guy who fully embraced the "I'm diamond, I know better, don't talk back" philosophy on the Boards, only for people to realize that he stopped playing Ranked more than once a month and only played against Bots the rest of the time. They still tried to maintain that they were better at the game after getting caught...
Also people on boards who think that Riot is holding them back so they buy boosts.
: if FNC gets 2nd seed in their group, their worlds run is over
I mean - the only way they they get past quarters as second seed is vs FW.
: I refuse to play a broken game.
: There should be another tournament like Worlds.
: No? Camille literally had a 2-3% pickrate pretty much the entirety of season 7. Only this season she got massive popularity due to how good she was.
Lmao. She was legit fucking pick ban from release (in season 7 btw) until she got gutted in the middle of the season because she was so oppressive. I’m actually done responding to you. Go get some medication because every comment you make is delusional.
VanaQuish (EUNE)
: This clip is so biased. Irelia had 2 kills before she killed syndra. She has also finished her trinity, an important powerspike for her. Syndra got hit by both ulti and e. Also syndra could had e irelia and basically deny her q. I mean sure irelia is strong, but you have to remember that this was created by the snowball. If irelia hadnt snowballed, she wouldnt have finished her trinity or/and dealt overall less damage. Tldr this post is a pure joke. GG try again tomorrow.
She 100-0 the Syndra with double summs 0/0/0 on each with just a sheen. That’s why he even has 2 kills. The champion has the most solokills/game out of any champion in competitive. Try again.
Ligseo (EUW)
: Nice diversity
Mfw Tahm was literally gutted multiple patches in a row.
: They were not great last year at first. They were very flawed coming into worlds then hit a next gear. Crown is still their only super star and they have not been playing as well as you can see
Crown is not a superstar on that team anymore. Don’t post if you legit have no clue what you’re talking about
: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nKvwzhfY,comment-id=00120000,timestamp=2018-10-11T11:57:59.053+0000) > > 53% in Plat and 51.8% in Diamond. > > Nice try though. were looking at different statistics then. because the same fucking site shows 50.89% winrate for garen at: platinum, the last 7 days, summoners rift. so much for using statistics to fit your narrative.
Same site says 53% at one month. Using past 7 days is often more inaccurate because of small sample size - not to mention Garen hasn’t received any big changes in the past month. So much for using stats to fit your narrative.
: try posting that image for a plat+ mmr range. garen isnt going to have 53% winrate anymore if you drop bronze, silver and gold from the statistics.
53% in Plat and 51.8% in Diamond. Nice try though.
PB4UAME (NA)
: That conclusion does not at all follow from your premise, but sure dude.
My premise is that mobile champions aren’t inherently better than immobile ones, and I show statistics to prove it. And what do you think my premise is then? Hmm? Or more likely what happened is that you didn’t even bother reading the post.
: Filter it to Diamond+. Then look at win-rates relative to popularity. Then you will find your mobile champions at the top. Even then, Diamond+ includes players who aren't that capable on the high skill cap champions. There is a skill discrepancy between Diamond 3 and Diamond 5, then another between Diamond 1 and Diamond 3. That said, even low diamond can't skew the high skill-capped champions enough to keep them out of the position for highest efficiency. Highest efficient win-rate champions in relation to popularity in Diamond+ from the Top Lane = {{champion:164}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:126}} **Jungle:** {{champion:163}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:24}} **Mid Lane:** {{champion:103}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:105}} **ADC:** {{champion:145}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:119}} **Support:** {{champion:412}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:89}} P.S. I didn't list a champion who is below a 50% win-rate even if it is skewed by MASSIVE popularity which would increase the chances of less skilled players using those champions. These champions listed are all around the top 10 most picked in each role while keeping a win rate above 50%. There were a few exceptions like Jax Jungle. He was the 13th most played jungler but still had a 53.2% winrate. This is massive efficiency for a 13th most popular jungler.
You’re also factoring in popularity - which isn’t important. More mobile champions have always been more popular. Even when Camille wasn’t good - she was popular. Also Ezreal has one of the highest pick rates with a low win rate.
: Garen - I would not consider immobile since he has a move speed buff on his Q that removes slows, plus he gets free tenacity, armor, and MR Miss Fortune - Strong move speed passive and very high damage output. I would consider immobile though (she deserves it though) Sona - Not exactly mobile but does have move speed buff Ahri - 3 dash ult Udyr - I would not consider him immobile he is very linear though Amumu - immobile(ish) Brand - for a mage has high base move speed 340, but otherwise immobile. he deserves to be though for his damage output Nami - move speed in her passive Aurelion Sol - mobile Sion - tank with damage with a ult that can engage or disengage wouldn't consider that immobile. Thats just the top 10 I mean Immobile are usually referred to the mages mid like - Lux, Anivia, Malzahar, Velkoz, Annie, Ziggs, Xerath (although he has insane range), Veigar, and so on. I am not sure where you are going with your post, plus what is the win rate parameters is this all elos, because simple champs have a better WR in low Elo (Bronze, Silver) I would look gold or higher for a more fair list of champs.
Vel'Koz, Annie, Lux, Anivia are wayyy above more "mobile" mids. If you actually bother looking at the list. Even in Plat+, Malzahar/Anivia/Velkoz far surpass most mobile mids (besides Ahri and Fizz).
: Some mobile champions suck. Some immobile champions suck.
That's literally the point. Mobility eats into your power budget. Otherwise you'd only see mobile champions at the top of win rates.
Vekkna (NA)
: Are we ignoring the fact that those top-5 WR champs are literally some of the fastest-moving champs in the game, and one of them has a 3-dash ult? Also, the frequency of dashy champs at the top of the WR list increases as you filter up through the ranks. Below gold, movespeed is king because peel, kiting, and positioning are all dogshit. By the time you're looking at Challenger, the list is packed full with high mobility/outplay champs.
Out of the top 20 champions, literally only 4 have dashes - that can be used defensively (or 5, if you want to count amumu). (Jax, Ahri, Fizz, Graves). In response to the current top thread talking about "champs have a fuck ton of dashes and still do more damage / w.e." And everyones like "omg, no punishment for fucking up if you're mobile". Also, Vel'Koz, Lux, Anivia, Malzahar, truly immobile champions, are way up there long before "flashy outplay" champions like Zed/Lee sin are. Also why are we suddenly concerned with challenger players??? I thought Riot was supposed to balance around Silver (balance around boards).
: Hob jhin? Superspeed hec, yi, sivir/kled engagements. If it has a movement boost, they have additional mobility. Vel'koz is immobile. Xerath is immobile. Darius is immobile. Kog maw is immobile ect. Sure you can kite ms champs, that doesn't make them immobile
Yes, and some of the fastest champions (Zilean, MF, Sona, Udyr, Garen, Rammus) have existed forever now. Why are they suddenly problematic.
Rioter Comments
: I agree that they're doing a circlejerk there, but Orianna has her own difficulty to her. While she isn't so mechanically intense as Zed and Akali, her positioning is incredibly important on both herself and her ball. She also needs to gauge when it's worth ulting. Sometimes hitting two people is the right way to go, other times your team just won't win unless you land it on 4+ enemies. Yeah there are passive Ori players that can do well (similar to shield-bot Jannas), but her skill cap at the very least isn't low. She does have a lower skill floor than Zed or Akali though.
Yes, she has a high skill cap - but she mantains a high level of usefulness even if you don't play her well. With Ori, I can contribute to teamfights from a safe distance, never having to really commit. Knowing how to position is something that's really intrinsic - and not something I have to really re-learn for Ori. Ball placement is a big thing - but not super hard to get used to. Whereas with Zed/Akali - I would have to put a fuck ton of games on them to be actually win on them. The simple fact is - that by "not feeding" non Akali/Zed - I don't accomplish shit. I HAVE to be commital - I have to snowball. I HAVE to know positioning a more precisely based on their mobility spells - because otherwise I will simply not be useful to my team. Teamfighting is much more difficult as well. Splitpushing is hard because a multitude of champions can match you pretty easily when it hits mid-late game. Yeah - I can definitely have 0 deaths on Zed every game thanks to mobility - but I'd probably have a 2% win rate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ozzie Storm,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AYMAc6aE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-10-08T16:02:36.612+0000) > > your action is what i, and many others, call a d*ck move" but it's not a punishable offence. > His action is griefing in disguise thus hard to detect by the system BUT it's punishable. However him receiving a punishment or not depends highly on how your report is handeled. If a rioter looks into the game, context and investigates the situation thoroughly then yes he would be punished, however that's highly unlikely imo. It's not a dick move when they're troll-picking. If I ban kalista bc my jg is hovering it, it's just as much a legit ban as jg yas because they're garbage junglers with no gank potential and terrible 1v1s, even their farming is up in the air.
Why though. Has that ever helped anyone ever??? If they were going to troll pick with Kalista jungle - then there’s nothing stopping them from troll picking something else - and most likely not try out of spite. I’d rather have a Jalista jungle who tried, than a Jinx jungle that is griefing.
Grunt666 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2Y3UMuj,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-10-08T23:00:04.969+0000) > > Well immobile champions must have something - because then otherwise immobile champions wouldn't be doing fine statisically. They do its called a skilled playerbase. You have to play immobile champions SOOOOO much better than the dash champs that bad players simply dont pick them once they figure out they can do better with dash champs covering up their poor play. Good players play dash champs as well but bad players really dont play immobile ones much too hard and punishing for poor play.
Skilled playerbase my ass lmao. Garen and Darius dominate Bronze. If immobile champions actually had NO DRAWBACKS and ONLY more mobility - they would be the only picks in the highest level of play. Why isn’t competitive just Zed and Leblanc every game? They’re _clearly_ just as powerful as an immobile mage just more mobility xd. Not like mages have better waveclear, more teamfight Impact in terms of AOE damage and utility/zoning, as well as outscaling.
: Yep, and that's exactly why I never trust anyone that says their "hard to master" assassin takes skill. It doesn't even come close to nearly enough skill required to pilot any immobile mage, since unlike every mobile "requires skill" cancer in this game, you don't get the privilege of thousands free out of jail cards. You fuck up/misposition once you most likely die but on assassin it's a breeze situation most of the time.
Lol it’s crazy how players will just jack off each other. “Immobile mages are so much harder”. Fuck no. Orianna is a billion times easier at actually winning games with mobile champions like Zed/Akali.
: Yeah the guys playing immobile champs are just dedicated and play them way better. Like why pick a darius who if he missteps and missuses his E is a sitting duck and dies when i can play kha jump into five people, kill one and stealth/jump out?
Seriously? I just want to know if you’re serious here. Kha can jump in 1v5 and get a kill - fucking lmao. Darius is just a “sitting duck”. Yeah, a sitting duck with fuck tons of damage, and 3.5k health. You’re actually delusional.
Thilmer (EUW)
: Rigth now lack of mobility is only a disadvantage. Period. Back in the day, inmobile champions use to have some kind of crazy shit to compensate for it, like very long range, massive burst damage, or hard CCs. But nowadays champions with mobility also have those things, so.... power creep, much.
Well immobile champions must have something - because then otherwise immobile champions wouldn't be doing fine statisically.
: using plat+ for cam is about as dumb as using plat+ for akali or azir, camilles best selling point is her ability to quickly go in and out of trades and mitigating damage with her passive while doing so, ya know how juggernauts need time to deal their damage?
Camille is no where near the level of Azir or even Akali in terms of complexity. On top of that, it makes sense that Illaoi beats her. She will always win a war of attrition because her E is much better poke - and forces Camille to fight her in melee range. Destroys camille in melee range - with a much quicker and pretty hefty burst trade.
: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JaUFEGAr,comment-id=000d000f00000001,timestamp=2018-10-08T11:32:42.242+0000) > > Marksmen have {{champion:429}} never received {{champion:51}} any meaningful {{champion:236}} nerfs. There has never been any ADC {{champion:42}} that got gutted from over {{champion:203}} 50% (S tier) win rate to less than 46% (F tier) {{champion:22}} in a couple of patches. > > Not like Lucian got a range nerf on his autos, Q, ult, W. Mana increase on E and cooldown increase on E. Mana increase on Q. > > And still manages to be good because the power level of ADCs is still hilariously low compared to previous seasons. Corki and Kindred are marksman that go JG/MID those marksman aren't "ADCs" and Riot has no problems nerfing them. Lucian was god tier for a year and a half before he got a real nerf. Then within a few patches of getting nerfed they started giving him buffs again, until he reached the point he is at now with 52% WR and 20% play rate for 6 patches straight and they haven't done anything too him. Same thing with Cait and Kalista both were S tier champs from the start of Summer split S7 and didn't receive meaningful nerfs until 8.4 for Kalista and it took 10+ patches before Cait was nerf in with 7.22 Ashe hasn't received a meaningful since her VGU in Season 5. Not that she needs them.
Lol... Corki was perfectly fine in bot lane until he got dumpstered into the ground with mini-reworks. Year and a half on Lucian, AKA losecian. You have to be fing kidding me. The champion was OKAY after the ADC rework, until the ghostblade cleaver build was discovered. Then he was OP for like, what, 6 patches? He got pretty much gutted in every possible way and sat close to a 50% win rate because of the build. But then Riot nerfs the build super hard. He was literally a troll pick until mid-season 7 - where he started seeing play again (cause of QoL "buffs" and bork changes). Then he got nerfed a bunch again and was only viable mid lane anymore - ONLY in LCS (he had a 44% w/r mid in soloq, and a 46% w/r in adc around Worlds time). Then he got nerfed again before worlds. But xddd I guess its okay to gut a champion for pro play as long as its an ADC. And he was pretty much troll tier in start of S8, where he got some minor buffs (like 20 damg on Q later, 10% bonus ad ratio). And yeah, hes WAYYYY weaker than he was in S6, with or without items. Yeah, he might have a 52% win rate - but what he is now, to what he was in S6 or even S5, is honestly kind of pathetic. Also Cait was good for a while, but then she got gutted so hard she went from 54% win rate pick/ban status to literally 46% win rate troll tier. Kalista was never good in SoloQ fking lmao. And to imagine, your dumbass got so many upvotes back then spewing out this nonsensical garbage before. Boards truly is a mystery.
: > [{quoted}](name=coreychichi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JaUFEGAr,comment-id=000d000f,timestamp=2018-10-07T22:23:55.035+0000) > > You’re nerfing other champs because Kai’sa is too strong? Kai'sa is an ADC they can't get meaningful nerfs ever.
Marksmen have {{champion:429}} never received {{champion:51}} any meaningful {{champion:236}} nerfs. There has never been any ADC {{champion:42}} that got gutted from over {{champion:203}} 50% (S tier) win rate to less than 46% (F tier) {{champion:22}} in a couple of patches. Not like Lucian got a range nerf on his autos, Q, ult, W. Mana increase on E and cooldown increase on E. Mana increase on Q. And still manages to be good because the power level of ADCs is still hilariously low compared to previous seasons.
: Coincidence ? I think not ! The announcers is one of us and they try to send Riot a message !
Anyways - it was the playins stage. So not really much to be said. Let’s wait for groups. Also, idk what this thread is smoking. Graves was barely played this worlds, or in LCS/LCK. Also the announcers are one of the boards lol. Especially Rivington. He doesn’t even play the game and usually spouts our random stuff in casts. I love his casting, mind you, but I’d never take it seriously.
: I have to wonder if quinn qualifies as this, but she can not go invisible and her builds tend to be complex {{champion:133}}
Quinn isn't a tank buster and therefore falls off a cliff in late game (not in assassination potential, but in teamfights). Kaisa arguably has the same assassination potential as Quinn late game but also serves as a tank buster. Also Kaisa can abuse the most broken AD, AP, AND on-hit items. She can build Merc scim, Zhonyas, Banshees, stormrazor, and rageblade in one game - being PERFECTLY viable build.
: Seen this on streams multiple times. And people actually will try to claim "soft inting" is not a thing
Cause “soft inting” just be called intentjonally throwing.
Kuponya (NA)
: As a Wukong main, the only place left is mid
And jungle. But to jungle you need at least 2 brain cells and we both know Wukong mains don’t have that.
: Well if you're Catholic is counts as atonement for your sins in the same way self-flagilation does. Otherwise, it's just a gamble. If you play a non-aggro support you're just at the mercy of RNG.
> [{quoted}](name=RookPusher,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B1j9VdbL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-05T20:57:53.150+0000) > > Well if you're Catholic is counts as atonement for your sins in the same way self-flagilation does. > > Otherwise, it's just a gamble. If you play a non-aggro support you're just at the mercy of RNG. Nah, even with an aggro support you are at the mercy of RNG. Just play jungle in lower elos.
: In case anyone is interested in a third-party opinion, I looked up the game in his match history, and here is how it appears to me: 3:00 The OP dies to {{champion:8}}, giving the enemy first blood. He may have come into the game already tilted and wasn't playing well. Maybe he was spending too much time raging at his non-meta teammates instead of playing, but that's just a guess. 4:30 His "troll" {{champion:39}} support nets his team its first kill against the enemy {{champion:497}}. Looks like his top lane {{champion:17}} got ganked early by the enemy jungle {{champion:80}}. Top appears to be losing pretty hard after this. Somehow the OP dies to {{champion:497}}, but his bot lane {{champion:39}} {{champion:13}} manage to kill {{champion:497}} and shutdown {{champion:80}} in that fight or shortly afterward, so it's worth it. Suddenly {{champion:39}} is on a killing spree, his {{champion:107}} finally ganks a lane, and his team is winning with a decent gold lead. The enemy meta bot lane is losing pretty hard to the OP's "troll" bot lane for quite a while... ...And then the surrender vote becomes available. Almost like clockwork, the game goes back into the enemy team's favor, likely because the OP is demanding a surrender and forcing a team debate rather than playing, though he already had poor fight participation according to the score timeline. At some point, the OP AFKs in the game to come to the boards and make this thread, which could explain any number of long periods where he has 0 fight participation recorded. Finally, the game ends in defeat. OP returns to the boards to declare that he was right and his "troll" teammates cost him HIS rightful victory and wrongfully wasted HIS time... I am guessing at some parts of this based on the limited information available, but that's how I imagine this scenario playing out based on what I can see and my personal experience with people like the OP. AFKing, trying to force surrenders, and blaming teammates are all far worse than playing something off-meta. Also the biggest factor in that defeat appears to be the enemy {{champion:80}} was kicking ass almost 24/7, which actually began up in top lane. So credit for the OP's loss is actually due to the enemy {{champion:80}} who hard carried his team.
Not suprised. People will find the the first off meta thing and blame it for the loss instead of actually doing any reflection.
: cuz this company is retarded. the fact that resolve is the most broken tree in laning is because it's the only defensive option available for most champs. opponent picks resolve > you cant win lane unless you have resolve yourself. game was a thousand times better without this trash rune and mastery rework.
No, its because resolve has been tuned to have broken sustain which makes a lot of champions viable. But doesn't help most champions not get bursted (like old mr/armour). Broken sustain is what is keeping most champions viable - but it doesn't make them feel good to play.
saltran (EUW)
: There's the thing, if most teams rather ban the top tier toplaners and not the best ADC that is Kai'Sa...maybe is because she's not that strong right? They rather face against Kai'Sa than against Urgot or Aatrox Anyway, I dont care about internet points, even less on this braindead Boards.
??? You’re actually being so brain dead. It’s like you have no clue how draft/comps/the current meta in competitive. So lets list a few reasons. 1) Kaisa is S+ tier. Every high elo player will tell you that. Champion is far too versatile, and has no real drawbacks. Safe lane, mixed damage, Strong teamfight, and tank buster. 2) The meta has been bannjng more top laners for a while now. This is for a few reasons: Bot laners are safer blind picks, so they are picked usually before second ban phase. Only priority top laners are ones that can be flexed jungle/mid. This is because counterpicks in top lane are BRUTAL, whereas there is no real matchup where someone like Kaisa is completely neutered. This means that top lane usually get a lot more targets bans in second ban phase, especially if they draft top lane on last pick red side - then there is no downside to banning counters. Also, the tier list for top laners is very skewed - especially in competitive. Lane priority/ pressure in a 1 3 1 or 1 4 has been the name of the game for top laners - and there are VERY few that can DO these 3 things that you need in competitive: TP in teamfights Win lane early to help jungler invade/generate pressure away from bot lane. Win split push later in the game Oh, look, Aatrox and Urgot do that - while serving as pseudotanks/disrupters. Same reason Gnar still got picked when he was at a46% win rate in SoloQ. Oh, they’re also flex picks - so why not kill 2 birds with one strone by banning them? Also ADC weaknesses can be curbed with support picks. The game is too mid/jungle and mid/jungle/bot focused for your jungler to curb your top laners weaknesses. So your top lane pick often must be good in a vaccum. That’s why top gets a lot more bans - and why teams are willing to let Kaisa through. Her laning/objective take just isn’t strong enough to snowball the game - whereas Cait/Kalista will win bot and take every tower/neutral with their objective taking prowess. So when they are good - they will eat a lot more bans.
: no he fucking didn't. they were even on cs. also a support main. who woulda thunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sA-WSrkm-c this is the game. being a kill up but being cs behind doesn't mean you won bot. he didn't. and the adc carried the game on enemy team
ADC carried the game....????? Did you even watch that game? Perkz carried it. If anything Hjarnan got flamed for being bad after that game - look at reddit post match discussion.
: > [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=N44WE58e,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-04T15:04:20.881+0000) > > This is the stupidest thread I have ever seen. > > No shit the winning team, AT THE END OF THE GAME, will have a more fed ADC. > > Whereas in G2 vs SUP just THIS MORNING, Zeitnot CRUSHED bot lane, and massively overperformed Hjarnan in teamfights and they still lost the game. > > Or when EDG iBoy MASSIVELY outperformed INF's bot lane, but STILL lost because he got 1 shot by enemy 0/4 Irelia every teamfight. Neat. > > Every actual analyst says mid/jungle duo is the most important this worlds - but Silver/Bronze analysts on boards hiding behind second accounts think differently I guess. He's not saying the end of the game tho. Hes saying check whose ahead in bot lane at like 15 min and so far you can call 100% of the games off that and nothing else. Seems a bit suspicious....
Then he’s wrong. Because you can’t do that.
: Worlds Bot lane advantage winrate. 100%
This is the stupidest thread I have ever seen. No shit the winning team, AT THE END OF THE GAME, will have a more fed ADC. Whereas in G2 vs SUP just THIS MORNING, Zeitnot CRUSHED bot lane, and massively overperformed Hjarnan in teamfights and they still lost the game. Or when EDG iBoy MASSIVELY outperformed INF's bot lane, but STILL lost because he got 1 shot by enemy 0/4 Irelia every teamfight. Neat. Every actual analyst says mid/jungle duo is the most important this worlds - but Silver/Bronze analysts on boards hiding behind second accounts think differently I guess.
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