Bugog (NA)
: Side question: is lux an enchanter? I always considered enchanters to be mages with 2 or more support abilities, and lux only has 1. I considered her a mage just like morgana. Back to the actual subject, I think soraka is honestly one of the best users of Athene's because her q and w are on such a low cooldown. The key to it is that it takes into account pre-mitigation damage, and you can double or triple stack it based on how many people you hit. Sona also stacks it pretty well because her q will hit 2 people in range, and if she can hit multiple people with ult that is a full stack there. But overall I don't think you have to full stack it to be useful if your cooldowns are low enough. But just from my experience I lean heavily into this item on champs that can use it because it greatly increases my defensive abilities. I think it's actually bordering on too efficient.
> [{quoted}](name=Bugog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2IUMqHrs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T16:58:58.599+0000) > > Side question: is lux an enchanter? No. Artillery/Burst mage.
: Conqueror is going to get changed
Good. That rune makes being a top lane tank nigh impossible half the time because you get shredded for carrying on a trade longer than 1.5 seconds. It also threw the scaling of fighters way out of whack because the healing isn't reduced for aoe damage *for some absolutely asinine reason.* I honestly expect quite a few previous balance issues will finally get in line once they change this rune to not be so overloaded.
: I mean last year people were complaining that "laning phase dosent matter ree" then riot answered and now "it makes roaming too hard ree" I get what your saying but I would say that toplane matchups are more of an issue than playing. (Counter meta)
> [{quoted}](name=BrokenRayquaza,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EBs8ZE2x,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:24:09.573+0000) > > I mean last year people were complaining that "laning phase dosent matter ree" then riot answered and now "it makes roaming too hard ree" I get what your saying but I would say that toplane matchups are more of an issue than playing. (Counter meta) If you don't have counter-picks, you have a game state that's decided by the best ball of stats and you guys will whine that Riot doesn't balance the game. The issue with the game is that it's a team game played like a single-player game. When you have a bad match-up, *you have a team that should help you.* You shouldn't just be entitled to a wonderful time no matter the match-up.
: THIS is what a team fight should look like....
I live in a world where people unironically call season 6 "One of the good seasons" of League of Legends balance because of a single pro play clip. There's no putting into words how crap these forums are because anything mildly insulting gets flagged.
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zIKEB3r,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:54:40.977+0000) > > That happens in pro play even now. This post doesn't accomplish anything. Blatant and utter lie. Is it easy to lie to others?
> [{quoted}](name=Anatera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zIKEB3r,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-09-21T06:13:39.661+0000) > > Blatant and utter lie. Is it easy to lie to others? Outside of the 1v1 (which is an extreme rarity since tanks normally go down first to expose the back line), yes, team fights last way longer in pro games than they do in solo queue because they *actually give a shit about the draft phase.* Can you guys stop throwing out random bullshit responses as if pro play represents a modicum of the nonsense that is solo queue?
: before {{champion:517}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:246}} ahhh..............
> [{quoted}](name=Troll Slaiyer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zIKEB3r,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-20T23:45:59.334+0000) > > before {{champion:517}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:246}} ahhh.............. There's still long team fights even with these champs in the game. Honestly, fact checking the boards on stupid shit is more cancer than what the boards claim these champions they hate cause. Just because no one likes playing front line in solo queue doesn't mean the game's balance doesn't allow for drawn out team fights.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: please link me a fight in the last year where it takes that long for a full build caitlyn to kill a poppy
> [{quoted}](name=Hi im 12,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1zIKEB3r,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-20T23:14:54.135+0000) > > please link me a fight in the last year where it takes that long for a full build caitlyn to kill a poppy You'd be hard pressed to find a Poppy vs. Caitlyn 1v1 in a pro play vod to begin with, let alone more than one, especially when Caitlyn hasn't been in season for most of the year. Besides, this post covers the entire team fight, not the 1v1. Save the 1v1 that happens between the surviving members, the general team fight lasted 19 seconds. That's not some "brand new territory" for a pro play team fight.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:53:17.451+0000) > > You said standing on top of your carry doesn't create a threat zone. That's a lie. You lterally placed the threat zone on top of the carry, so if someone tries to hit them with poke, they're in Zenith Blade range. You're capping. > > Building a lead and what you said are mutually exclusive concepts, and I'm commenting on the latter, not the former. If all youre doing is standing ontop of your carry, then either you have a lucian and theyre looking for the same, or youre losing lane. Your carry shouldnt be up with you all the time, they have their own engages if you get a good pick.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T20:11:01.202+0000) > > If all youre doing is standing ontop of your carry, then either you have a lucian and theyre looking for the same, or youre losing lane. I'm not commenting on the logistics of the lane. *I'm solely commenting on this one element I'm speaking on.* You've done this before with the whole Armguard thing. I'm afraid you have an issue with focusing on specific topics one at a time. Should you play up with Leona if your side of the lane is generally healthy? Yes. Is the point of Leona to snowball before people buy cleanses and scale their shields and damage up? Yes. Are you right in saying Leona's not strong for peeling enemies? Yes. Does Leona just magically stop being a threat if she's playing a fight closer to her carry? **NO. Why would you say this? Leona positioning herself near vulnerable allies is a defensive spin on an otherwise offensive strategy. The point is to counter-attack when the opponent wanders too close, especially since Leona (and Alistar) can engage through minions.**
: Have you considered a miss fortune vgu? I feel as tho as she’s outdated
> [{quoted}](name=limebuster,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=Hg0eMco2,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:52:43.391+0000) > > Have you considered a miss fortune vgu? I feel as tho as she’s outdated They did one before and changed almost nothing about her.
: THIS is what a team fight should look like....
That happens in pro play even now. This post doesn't accomplish anything.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:45:57.668+0000) > > In standard laning and other small, skirmishy scenarios, this is a bold faced lie. Then youre not playing leona right. You have until level 8 to create a lead before you fall off a cliff. If youre not getting picks and not zoning and are hardcore playing defense after level 2, youve lost.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:48:26.665+0000) > > Then youre not playing leona right. You have until level 8 to create a lead before you fall off a cliff. If youre not getting picks and not zoning and are hardcore playing defense after level 2, youve lost. You said standing on top of your carry doesn't create a threat zone. That's a lie. You lterally placed the threat zone on top of the carry, so if someone tries to hit them with poke, they're in Zenith Blade range. You're capping. Building a lead and what you said are mutually exclusive concepts, and I'm commenting on the latter, not the former.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Thresh Outta Fux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:37:26.698+0000) > > As a Leona player, I can tell you that is -definitely- false, if you can't/aren't protecting or defending your adc based on positioning, crowd control, and body blocking, you're not playing your position properly. > > Yes, you can do this with Pyke too. But, in a lane with an ADC is not the location that Assassin Mentality belongs. I've seen so many Pyke players watch their ADC die when they could have saved them because they simply don't care about supporting their teammate, because it's all about THEM, they're PYKE, the SUPERSTAR IN BOT LANE! A true Leona player will put her life on the line for her ADC, a Pyke will watch them drown. Im a leona main. Leona physically *CANNOT* defend an adc well. If youre standing ontop of your ADC, youre not creating a proper threat zone, not zoning the enemy, and ultimately arent going to do much with your earlygame power. If the enemy plays properly and either flanks or gets behind you, what are your options? A thin, long CD skillshot in E, or pressing R and hopeing it lands. Q isnt an option. Its melee range, and youre not there. Pyke is equally as bad. Two skillshots to peel, both delayed. "Pyke players watch their adcs die when they could have saved them" pyke cant easily save an adc. Same as leona. Ill gladly watch the adc die if i can get a kill on leona, as apparently i already need to carry if this is the hand ive been dealt. Also means both ADCs are dead.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rc5qXslx,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:24:13.662+0000) > > Im a leona main. Leona physically *CANNOT* defend an adc well. If youre standing ontop of your ADC, youre not creating a proper threat zone, not zoning the enemy, and ultimately arent going to do much with your earlygame power. In standard laning and other small, skirmishy scenarios, this is a bold faced lie.
: Creating a more healthy and balanced Pyke, starting with his Arrr!
His Q already displaces people. The ult is clumsy and redundant. I'm sorry but you guys are NOT game devs to know better than actual game devs when it comes to game development.
: What champions should be the face of a "fun meta" in solo queue?
I feel like too many people posted without answering the question...
Rioter Comments
: Pyke was fine, and then...
If you die in the mark, it isn't a "whiff". You don't have to be slain *by Pyke* for the resets to work. You just need to die while targeted. Also, I have no idea why everyone on these fucking boards are so obsessed with what's fun to play with/as/against and constantly act like they bear the *ultimate answer* in that regard when they never did.
: We've been wrong all this time.
It's 2019 and we still blame the game for people being complete assholes. Changing which champ is or isn't popular won't change the fact that you have a shit mentality. Whether it's Yasuo dashing all over the place or Cho'Gath true damage nuking someone so the game's a constant 4v5, you're gonna be mad about SOMETHING. Change your perspective and stop blaming the very game you're playing for your shit mental. If it's that bad, uninstall.
: And that's the problem. They're shoehorning her into a role that doesn't allow her to be distinct. The shoehorning is the issue.
> [{quoted}](name=IxtaliKing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cRhsm6VL,comment-id=00010001000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-14T17:23:01.652+0000) > > And that's the problem. They're shoehorning her into a role that doesn't allow her to be distinct. The shoehorning is the issue. She isn't distinct no matter where you put her, tbh.
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEOy7P80,comment-id=00020000000000000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T18:54:00.462+0000) > > No it wasn't. Season 5 is put up on a pedestal it never deserved. Cinderhulk meta invalidated early game champs and fighters, Devourer meta fucked over solo queue, and juggy meta forced everyone to priority ban every juggy in the jugs patch. Season 5 was NOT as good as people keep going on about. Nah, cinderhulk meta was fine, anyone was viable, assassins actually took skill. Devourer was never meta in decent elos, it was instalose for the farming jungler - Koreans even tried to play Yi jungle like twice in competitive and barely won (1?) game by some miracle plays after being thousands of gold behind.
> [{quoted}](name=MLDzXnRRR,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEOy7P80,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T08:51:45.397+0000) > > Nah, cinderhulk meta was fine, anyone was viable, assassins actually took skill. So we just blatantly lie and pretend that we didn't just stack tanks back in that meta?
: Mainly bias. Skin sales happen to just be something that happens when these happen. Take the Fiora buffs for example. Those buffs are very biased against toplaners since every top knows shes too good of a duelist, but she doesn't need stronger split push power on top of it. She would need strong nerfs to her dueling so these buffs wont break her. Does she have a skin coming out? No. The Riven buff reasoning however is stupid. A buddy of mine happened to be in a server with a Rioter (not gonna name who), and they said the reason Riven is being buffed is because People with less than 100 games on her have a 47% winrate. Let that sink in.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a9iy5bEA,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T03:35:26.293+0000) > > Mainly bias. Skin sales happen to just be something that happens when these happen. Take the Fiora buffs for example. > Those buffs are very biased against toplaners since every top knows shes too good of a duelist, but she doesn't need stronger split push power on top of it. She would need strong nerfs to her dueling so these buffs wont break her. Does she have a skin coming out? No. Translation: If we hate a champion and they have a skin coming up, we'll say it's for skin sales. When they DON'T, it's bias. We really just want Riot to make champs like Teemo and Malzahar the faces of the meta.
: Ever heard of bias? Thats why Varus and Shen didn't get buffs. They didnt care.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a9iy5bEA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T23:42:28.595+0000) > > Ever heard of bias? Thats why Varus and Shen didn't get buffs. They didnt care. So is it *bias* or is it *skin sales* that you guys are blaming? You guys will point the finger at every damn thing under the face of the planet except the realization that "maybe your favorite champion doesn't need buffs right now".
: Wrong. Its not LCS, its a skin with a Prestige. Thats why this is happening. Giving Riven mains unnecessary buffs so that in return they huddle in masses and buy both versions. There are some out there that find the nerfs unnecessary, but their voice is probably gonna get ignored for the obvious cash grab.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a9iy5bEA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-13T16:04:48.622+0000) > > Wrong. Its not LCS, its a skin with a Prestige. Thats why this is happening. Giving Riven mains unnecessary buffs so that in return they huddle in masses and buy both versions. There are some out there that find the nerfs unnecessary, but their voice is probably gonna get ignored for the obvious cash grab. You say that like they buffed Nami or Amumu when they're also got skins coming in. You guys always blame skins for buffs and nerfs, but I didn't see Shen and Varus getting buffs when they got skins.
Keiaga (NA)
: If you're going to make a long, ranting post about something, you should at least know the first thing you're talking about. bruisers and juggernauts are different things.
> [{quoted}](name=Keiaga,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E68OOZvo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-14T00:20:29.254+0000) > > If you're going to make a long, ranting post about something, you should at least know the first thing you're talking about. Why should he have to do that when no one else on the boards do? There's a post with 59 upvotes because someone said "Pyke's not a support. He's an assassin". Like, no one on the boards knows what they're talking about to ask that someone should.
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Divin1ty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEOy7P80,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T17:08:59.694+0000) > > First you complain about fighters, than you want 4/5 back. > Release GP, Juggernaut Update that broken an entire Class and made Darius dunk at Worlds and a lot, lot more. > > You just want to complain to complain, don't you? You are joking by mentioning the part of the season when the game went straight downhill, right? The game was "perfectly" balanced before that for some months- even todays faceroll champs like yasuo and zed were considered taking a skill at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=MLDzXnRRR,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEOy7P80,comment-id=0002000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-14T17:26:00.764+0000) > > You are joking by mentioning the part of the season when the game went straight downhill, right? > The game was "perfectly" balanced before that for some months- even todays faceroll champs like yasuo and zed were considered taking a skill at this point. No it wasn't. Season 5 is put up on a pedestal it never deserved. Cinderhulk meta invalidated early game champs and fighters, Devourer meta fucked over solo queue, and juggy meta forced everyone to priority ban every juggy in the jugs patch. Season 5 was NOT as good as people keep going on about.
: the fact you dont know how to play her dosent make her bad
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEOy7P80,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-09-13T20:48:36.663+0000) > > the fact you dont know how to play her dosent make her bad She's not bad, but she has room to be buffed for the Worlds stage, which is what this buff is for. If anything, this pushes her to split pushing (which is what she's supposed to do in the first place), and if they need to remove power later, they can nerf the buffs to other aspects of her play that they gave her before now. The problem isn't this buff, it's other buffs preceding this buff, but it's totally possible that she's not overbearing even after this buff.
: Tahm is getting nerfed again....
When they do it to other LCS champions, I don't see the whining that happens for Kench. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T03:28:05.807+0000) > > Here's the thing you don't get: > > Drinker gets AD + MR > > Armguard gets AP + Armor > > Armguard can get up to 45 armor over time, but Drinker gets 35 MR at the start *and a shield.* Both also get offensive stats, but the point of both these items is largely defensive. > > You need to stop focusing on arguing and focus on the substance of what I'm telling you: **Drinker, as a midway item, is better than Armguard. Armguard BECOMES the better item, but as midway items, it's strictly worse.** Yeah, no. Again, the thing youre entirely forgetting is that an assassin NEEDS to scale, now. Buying hexdrinker means you are not scaling immediately. You are not building mid game stats to get dominance and push a lead to win. Hexdrinker is defensive, and gives up a *lot* of immediate power and delays major spikes you need to push your immediate advantage. That is a HUGE negative cost to pay, even if its stats are *technically* better on paper. Its efficiency doesnt mean anything 6 minutes after you bought it. An assassin pays a massive cost if they need to buy hexdrinker to stay relevant. Mages dont pay much of a cost if they need to build into Hourglass first.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T04:21:19.374+0000) > > Yeah, no. Again, the thing youre entirely forgetting is that an assassin NEEDS to scale, now. Buying hexdrinker means you are not scaling immediately. You are not building mid game stats to get dominance and push a lead to win. Hexdrinker is defensive, and gives up a *lot* of immediate power and delays major spikes you need to push your immediate advantage. > > That is a HUGE negative cost to pay, even if its stats are *technically* better on paper. Its efficiency doesnt mean anything 6 minutes after you bought it. 1) Assassins aren't scaling champions to care about scaling. They're *snowballers.* Most assassin late games are objectively shit in comparison to most of the cast. The point of assassins is that they hit their big power spikes sooner. No one cares about their scaling past 2 to 3 items. 2) What does this have to do with the point at hand? All you're doing is repeating what I'm trying to tell you IN BOLD FACED LETTERS while arguing for no reason. Stop arguing. *Understand what you're reading and what's being said.* This isn't a hard exercise. {{item:3157}} > {{item:3156}} {{item:3155}} > {{item:3191}} You keep looking at different things that don't matter. No one's talking about Zhonya in this comparison. No one's talking about if an assassin or a diver or a skirmisher builds the item. No one's talking about late game. We're talking about the objective benefits of *specifically armguard and specifically drinker.* I've already told you that the issue here isn't that you're wrong, but the fact that you're focusing on too many irrelevant variables. It's the last time I'm going to try to correct this. If you reply with "yeah, no" again, just assume I won't read past that and you're typing to yourself.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T20:44:07.286+0000) > > Armband doesn't have a shield, but Drinker still has MR. Drinker is definitely better. > > It's not a major concern since this is required so that Zhonya won't be op, but it's just stating facts. Yeah, no. Not really. The passive is neat, but the stacking armor + AP is very good for mages, especially since mages lose nothing building it, where as assassins lose a *lot* building drinker by default, as its a dead item that greatly delays their main spike and makes them fall off faster.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T22:53:22.565+0000) > > Yeah, no. Not really. The passive is neat, but the stacking armor + AP is very good for mages, especially since mages lose nothing building it, where as assassins lose a *lot* building drinker by default, as its a dead item that greatly delays their main spike and makes them fall off faster. Here's the thing you don't get: Drinker gets AD + MR Armguard gets AP + Armor Armguard can get up to 45 armor over time, but Drinker gets 35 MR at the start *and a shield.* Both also get offensive stats, but the point of both these items is largely defensive. You need to stop focusing on arguing and focus on the substance of what I'm telling you: **Drinker, as a midway item, is better than Armguard. Armguard BECOMES the better item, but as midway items, it's strictly worse.**
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T19:05:09.131+0000) > > Then you'd compare Drinker to Armband, in which case you'd say "Drinker is better than Armband". > > Also, I failed to realize you were saying to not overhype HEXDRINKER. I agree that people overhype drinker, but it's *really* good in the early/mid game as long as you didn't fall behind yet. No, armband is as good as drinker, and hourglass is definitely better than maw. Hexdrinker severely gimps assassins just by taking it, as they *need* their offensive buys asap, as they fall off mid-late. Armband provides stats mages need, builds into an amazing item even at first buy, and mages dont fall off nearly as much.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T20:28:44.599+0000) > > No, armband is as good as drinker, and hourglass is definitely better than maw. Hexdrinker severely gimps assassins just by taking it, as they *need* their offensive buys asap, as they fall off mid-late. Armband provides stats mages need, builds into an amazing item even at first buy, and mages dont fall off nearly as much. Armband doesn't have a shield, but Drinker still has MR. Drinker is definitely better. It's not a major concern since this is required so that Zhonya won't be op, but it's just stating facts.
: Garen losing to Diana 1v1
The problem is that people just want things they can't have. You can't have a free win. This guy wants a free win. That's the problem.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d00000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T16:31:43.302+0000) > > Zhonya is a full item. Drinker is more like Tabi and it's meant to keep mages from snowballing on you. Stopwatch is a thing. The armband component is a thing.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T16:59:11.927+0000) > > Stopwatch is a thing. The armband component is a thing. Then you'd compare Drinker to Armband, in which case you'd say "Drinker is better than Armband". Also, I failed to realize you were saying to not overhype HEXDRINKER. I agree that people overhype drinker, but it's *really* good in the early/mid game as long as you didn't fall behind yet.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RavenMagus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2019-09-09T20:54:16.602+0000) > > Can you imagine if they actually made MR better? It's already basically impossible to kill an assassin who built {{item:3155}} > > Seriously though, MR is amazing. Anyone who thinks it's AP mages melting tanks clearly haven't played a game against an actual tank recently. 1 MR item and you're useless til lategame. Zonyas is far more effective than hexdrinker, can we please stop over hyping hex?
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f8W48oJE,comment-id=001d0000,timestamp=2019-09-10T03:14:39.258+0000) > > Zonyas is far more effective than hexdrinker, can we please stop over hyping hex? Zhonya is a full item. Drinker is more like Tabi and it's meant to keep mages from snowballing on you.
Jbels (NA)
: Tanks die way too quickly and have way too few options
So the boards is still at it with complaining that tanks aren't good because you can't eat an entire team's worth of damage without feeling the heat, huh? The boards are still at it with insinuating that the counter-pick to a Sion or Shen is fucking Zed and Talon, huh? Honestly, why do you guys think anyone should take this place seriously?
DaRudeOne2 (EUNE)
: The LoL community is the most toxic, disgusting community I've ever seen on the internet.
And now we blame the company for it instead of the community of players doing it, like Zephyel did.
: If the jg pings you that the enemy jg is coming in and you dont leave...
Dudes literally pull this shit while I'm getting multi-man dove under turret, like spam pinging my lane will save me from having to play Touhou against the lion's share of the enemy team at once. How about junglers stop flailing their arms and just do their fucking job right? Like, honestly, junglers have the most excuses for shit decision making and shit play than any other dude in the game. It's exhausting listening to the guys with the most influence in the game bitch the most about everyone else. Shut up and jungle *well.*
: Why is Nashor's Tooth still an item
This item is literally just for Azir no matter what anyone tries to bs in here as an answer. Some people have it as an "option" at best, but really only Azir uses Nashor with any regularity.
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1EF4Iifc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-03T17:20:29.643+0000) > > If they made large scale changes to Garen, it'd end up like Aatrox. > > I say leave him to be what he is. If he's a balance mess or if people think he sucks, leave him that way. I agree. They should leave him alone until they actually have a plan. Meanwhile the Season is nearly over and Garen responds more to his environment than to buffs or nerfs. Let them wait two more months, and maybe we'll figure it out by then. On-hit wasn't the answer. He's in a relatively good spot FOR GAREN at the moment. How to re-work Garen is always a hot topic among Garen mains, but what I heard mostly for the last few months was that Garen actually felt relatively good to play, and people were exploring what could be done with the interesting buff that Garen received two months ago. NOW isn't the right time to tinker with Garen. Other champions need the attention a lot more. We experimented with one idea on PBE that asserted itself as unworkable in short order. Let's re-visit in Season 10.
> [{quoted}](name=Lrrr Omicronian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1EF4Iifc,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-04T03:22:09.764+0000) > > I agree. They should leave him alone until they actually have a plan. No, I mean just leave him alone. Period.
: rework taliyah plz?
Comparing battle mages to assassins. Quality content.
Moody P (NA)
: garen isnt changing enough
If they made large scale changes to Garen, it'd end up like Aatrox. I say leave him to be what he is. If he's a balance mess or if people think he sucks, leave him that way.
Xavanic (NA)
: Stop putting me with premades
It's a freaking normal game. Just play another one?
: I didn't forget it. I just understand that it's easier to nerf a single item for a single game mode, than it is to balance all of the current Keystones across the entire champion roster.
> [{quoted}](name=ixi Josh Sand,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O3EZff7Y,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T16:46:23.624+0000) > > I didn't forget it. I just understand that it's easier to nerf a single item for a single game mode, than it is to balance all of the current Keystones across the entire champion roster. The keystones are already *largely* balanced already. The main issue rn is Conqueror, which is causing hell for top lane tanks, but otherwise we aren't having major disparities due to keystones. This was a season 8 problem.
: Do you believe that most critiques of the game's current state and systems are due to nostalgic reasons?
> [{quoted}](name=ixi Josh Sand,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O3EZff7Y,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T16:14:13.709+0000) > > Do you believe that most critiques of the game's current state and systems are due to nostalgic reasons? Yes because you forgot that S7 was the Ardent meta.
: Hyper carries died and we didn’t notice but it sucks
I mean...no, but you can say it and I can't stop you from doing so.
musixxal (EUW)
: she had to do it from over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. so it's ok
> [{quoted}](name=musixxal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6gnbJwwm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-02T01:26:22.502+0000) > > she had to do it from over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. > so it's ok "It's not ok that I can be hard punished for getting hit by a projectile from well over 1k units away" ...no that's relatively fine.
: When did I say that was dps, that's 3 black cleaver procs...
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RHIMAdOt,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T00:15:35.833+0000) > > When did I say that was dps, that's 3 black cleaver procs... Aighty, lemme rectify this exchange. For an item like Cleaver, which needs 6 hits to get the full effect out of it, assassins don't have enough damage left in their play patterns to *really* use it for damaging tanky opponents. Their damage would land some stacks, but they wouldn't have anything up *after* landing the stacks to do anything else, and assassins aren't the type of champions to be all that comfortable standing around and AA'ing people to get the rest of the stacks like fighters would.
Lovelle (NA)
: That doesn't mean I can't be frustrated about it. Riven in particular pushes my shit in all the time, so I'm not looking forward to seeing her buffed. Unless you're playing someone that can simultaneously lock down and burst her, she just gets to dictate everything in skirmishes and duels, and when she's fed you basically don't get to play the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Lovelle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HW8ABzQI,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-09-01T22:49:59.033+0000) > > That doesn't mean I can't be frustrated about it. Riven in particular pushes my shit in all the time, so I'm not looking forward to seeing her buffed. > > Unless you're playing someone that can simultaneously lock down and burst her, she just gets to dictate everything in skirmishes and duels, and when she's fed you basically don't get to play the game. Well, that's a human response, so I respect that. People just go about it in a way that seems like they don't get the point of these changes at this time of year.
: auto r auto?
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RHIMAdOt,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T22:34:33.371+0000) > > auto r auto? How is that dps?
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RHIMAdOt,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-01T20:24:02.902+0000) > If you, as a tank, catch up to the Talon and gear your itemization against him specifically, his ability to run through you, even while he's ahead, is reduced. Why? Because he can't dps to utilize Cleaver well, Actually most ad assassins burst via many small hits, talon especially with his R.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RHIMAdOt,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-01T21:55:45.637+0000) > > Actually most ad assassins burst via many small hits, talon especially with his R. ...no they don't? Like...clearly they don't? Talon's ult deals 1 round of damage for getting hit by ANY blade coming out, and then one OTHER round of damage when getting hit by ANY blade when converging. They don't hit for as many blades that touch the target.
Rioter Comments
: Moderators are getting more and more pandering towards blind riotism. Really kind of depressing, but understandable from someone who has to lick feet to keep their position.
> [{quoted}](name=LatetotheRace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HW8ABzQI,comment-id=00040004,timestamp=2019-08-31T23:51:21.191+0000) > > Moderators are getting more and more pandering towards blind riotism. Really kind of depressing, but understandable from someone who has to lick feet to keep their position. Blind Riotism? I used to make massive threads just to complain about shit I didn't like. Like essays over shit I didn't like. I just feel like the boards lack self-awareness. Why should I complain about stuff I don't like about the game when you guys do it for me 75 times over? I'd rather just use my posts for something else.
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