: TFT added to ARCADE Event Pass
YAY THANKS I LOVE IT
: Riot, if you can somehow update Ashe's base animations, I will buy every skin for her.
her animations are honestly the most tilting experience for me by far
HellBell (EUW)
: Unpopular opinion: Neeko’s character feels kinda offensive.
By all means Neeko should be open about her sexuality just like Xayah or Rakan or a bit like Ezreal (as in, he like girls - that's objective. I think ezreal goes about it really immaturely too but its in a way that's actually believable unlike Neeko), but it's honestly a lot to have her flirt with nearly every female champion. I think there's a line between representation and being over-bearing and Neeko definitely tip-toes about it. I'd feel the same way if it were a man hitting on every female he saw. It's immature and really demeaning. Unless her personality is inherently immature, I don't think this approach is best. I'd love for Riot to release another champion who is open about being gay but isn't 100% "omg girls i like girls boys are so gross uwuwuwuwuwuw" - it's a really specific and somewhat harmful representation of how gay people actually interact with the sex they're attracted to.
Meddler (NA)
: Loading Screen Update coming to PBE
m7 at 12.8k points wow
: I'm not sure the butterflies are real :) Let me clarify: he has some mind control abilities and may or may not have shown Maura elaborate visions to illustrate his point(quoting his short bio): >A fiend with a thirst for mortal blood, Vladimir has influenced the affairs of Noxus since the empire’s earliest days. In addition to unnaturally extending his life, his mastery of hemomancy allows him to _**control the minds**_ and bodies of others as easily as his own. The scene in the second room where the entire collection turns to dust is specifically hard to believe. In conclusion, I think people should trip balls when he ults them, and see butterflies/flowers/whatnot.
> [{quoted}](name=Blood Magicks,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=iw8AXqvc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-26T14:41:49.742+0000) > > I'm not sure the butterflies are real :) > > Let me clarify: he has some mind control abilities and may or may not have shown Maura elaborate visions to illustrate his point: > > The scene in the second room where the entire collection turns to dust is specifically hard to believe. > > In conclusion, I think people should trip balls when he ults them, and see butterflies/flowers/whatnot. not to mention the way in which such fragile, ancient butterflies had been displayed and how easily they deteriorated (a gust of wind, a touch from Maura); i think it's actually a lot easier to take the butterflies as a metaphor than legitimate that being said, butterflies are a wonderful aesthetic and i enjoy the association
: if I buy the yasuo border/icon with tokens from missions, will the price of the bundle go down?
I think the border/icon is just a limited thing instead of a premium so I really doubt it
: Learn More: Odyssey
Will the Planetary Legends quest also provide a Ziggs champion if he's unowned?
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8ghEGkE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-09-07T22:00:27.871+0000) > > This is honestly a pretty heartless thing to say. I understand the sentiment behind the anger towards ZKlien, but is it so wrong to at least behave civilized? what he said was pretty heartless too
> [{quoted}](name=Alis Contritum,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B8ghEGkE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-09-07T22:35:23.865+0000) > > what he said was pretty heartless too I agree, but reactions like these only solidify what people like DZK think of you. If it helps you then showboating is your prerogative, just know that it does little to help beyond this one instant of satisfaction.
: goodbye daniel wont miss you
This is honestly a pretty heartless thing to say. I understand the sentiment behind the anger towards ZKlien, but is it so wrong to at least behave civilized?
: Hello!
I'm happy that you've taken the time to interact with the GD, it's been weird sifting around knowing that - for the most part - Rioters are avoiding this part of the board's community. There's a certain discomfort in knowing that no matter how hard you try, everything you do gets no meaningful response. Perhaps its just my nature, but the silence from Riot as a whole has made hard for me to justify my conclusions, you know? There's this nagging guilt that swims around my peripheral whenever I log on/check up on the boards and it pushes me away from a game that I would normally be able to enjoy. Whatever the case may be, I understand that the internal situation may have perpetuated this silence. It's unfortunate, but I don't think (nor want) the boards will slow down until it's resolved. It's irresponsible _not_ to address what has occurred, regardless of what said recognition entails. I think that Riot owes this to the community, but that's just me.
: Quick thoughts on "The Golden Rule" and PAX
There’s this misconception that if you’re female you have to actively assume the other gender, lest you suffer through rounds of sexism and other personal attacks. That’s not to say sexism doesn’t occur, I know it’s happened and I can recognize that perhaps for some it might be easier to call someone out for having a girly name rather than thinking of something valid, but that only reinforces the notion that people will go lengths just to put others down. I’ve always been wary of toxicity and have never went out of my way to let others know my gender because of that, but I always knew deep down just by the amount of games I’ve played that for the most part people aren’t going to care how you were born. I’m happy that others are voicing this too.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KRc9mRu7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-09-04T17:54:13.207+0000) > > it's a shame that all those posts from Reddit somehow managed to fade after two days of being in the front-page, but i'm happy that the boards have managed to maintain the topic's relevancy. if Riot intends to lay low, the best we could do is defy their intention and remind them of what happened and why it was wrong The mods deleted them all. That's why you don't see it there anymore. And I'm going to guess they will delete any new threads on the topic.
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KRc9mRu7,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-09-04T17:55:18.343+0000) > > The mods deleted them all. That's why you don't see it there anymore. And I'm going to guess they will delete any new threads on the topic. the largest posts haven't been deleted - at the very least they've been [censored](https://imgur.com/a/icvrThK). i do remember that other growing/new posts being published over on Reddit have been deleted almost right after, though. it's funny how the Kotaku article and everything related was allowed to decay naturally (even after being reposted), but the moment Riot screwed up again... I suppose you can't be wrong if no one is there to remember {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: keep the front page forums full of this whole pax/sexism stuff riot is trying to ignore
it's a shame that all those posts from Reddit somehow managed to fade after two days of being in the front-page, but i'm happy that the boards have managed to maintain the topic's relevancy. if Riot intends to lay low, the best we could do is defy their intention and remind them of what happened and why it was wrong
: Confessions and a Farewell of a League Vet
It's so easy to remind ourselves why our prejudices tend to blind, but when messages like yours come about we can truly understand. Riot and their advocates felt justified in brandishing people like you. Likeliness is the only mistake needed to warrant being treated so lowly - that's what stings the most, this concept of "Because I Am, Therefore I Shall"... it's everything I once thought our society would have at least respected as wrong. There are so many twisted thoughts being expressed, so many actions taking place that would have been protested and fought at every turn if only the roles had been reversed. My heart goes out to you, I hold it with myself that you may grow to find happiness in something more worthy of your time.
: Does Riot realize what they've done?
But don’t you know that the ladies who spoke up are actually just experiencing Deep Self-Inflicted Misogyny or are actually Men in Disguise!? Riot would NEVER unironically behave in a sexist manner, much less double-down on it >:((((((((
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=00150000,timestamp=2018-09-02T23:06:28.723+0000) > > that's cool! i'm more of a girly-girl myself but i completely agree with your message. it was an experience, walking into classrooms like that even if i've always felt more comfortable around guys lol. when i came into the game i was also pretty worried about how i would be received, but after a while i realized that it was just a game. people are gonna shit-talk, they're going push each others buttons and they're going to act dumb. i might be unique in this, but i've only had so many negative experiences due to my gender - the worst of which was having guys "slide up in my DMs". > > i appreciate riot's intention, but that's about it. i would love for them to make strides towards welcoming all types of people interested in games, just not in such a way that intentionally feeds these negative stereotypes. if it's wrong for an old man to insist that men and women can't coexist, why is it okay for a mainstream analyst to say the same? > > about the open letter- it's a really good idea. there was this one thread (reddit/boards, i don't remember) that basically asked the same but i can't find it. it's dumb, but a reason for me writing this was because i knew that Riot wasn't taking the rest of the community seriously. maybe it's arrogant of me, but if someone has any kind of power in this conversation it might as well be the ones they're tying to appease. > > that's how i see it at least. thanks for the comment, and good luck in your studies! don't be afraid to make friends and open up; you'll meet mean people but you'll also find those that you treasure - those that don't care about how you were born but who you are as a person. I mean, I've handled and seen a lot of shit talk. the brunt of it in other games is centered on the game itself. It's specific, contextual, and often funny/creative--and yes, the gendered insults happen too. Normally, it doesn't bother me. It's different here though. Here they will attack your humanity, and your sense of belonging. They treat you like an outsider. The message of that kind of trash talk is not to say "I'm angry that you killed me" or "I just beat you" or "you're in the enemy guild" like in other games. The message is "I'm male and therefore better than you lesser being because you're female". It might be "just a game", but people often socialize and form relationships within groups where they share common interests. If the community respresenting those common interests is actually *hostile* towards your group, I think that presents quite a barrier to functioning in the community. But the worst of all of this is that this kind of abuse doesn't seem to be punished by the report system. bear in mind that my most played game in the past didn't even have a functioning report system, and still this community manages to be worse. Then there's the whole sliding into the DM's. Yea, no thanks. It's just easier to get treated better, and more normal, by assuming male persona.
> [{quoted}](name=Moons of Jupiter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=001500000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T00:17:26.666+0000) > > I mean, I've handled and seen a lot of shit talk. the brunt of it in other games is centered on the game itself. It's specific, contextual, and often funny/creative--and yes, the gendered insults happen too. Normally, it doesn't bother me. > > It's different here though. Here they will attack your humanity, and your sense of belonging. They treat you like an outsider. The message of that kind of trash talk is not to say "I'm angry that you killed me" or "I just beat you" or "you're in the enemy guild" like in other games. The message is "I'm male and therefore better than you lesser being because you're female". It might be "just a game", but people often socialize and form relationships within groups where they share common interests. If the community respresenting those common interests is actually *hostile* towards your group, I think that presents quite a barrier to functioning in the community. But the worst of all of this is that this kind of abuse doesn't seem to be punished by the report system. > > bear in mind that my most played game in the past didn't even have a functioning report system, and still this community manages to be worse. > > > Then there's the whole sliding into the DM's. > > Yea, no thanks. It's just easier to get treated better, and more normal, by assuming male persona. completely understand, i don't think i know many girls who don't at least try to avoid the gender topic - especially with strangers/those you don't trust. our experiences have been different, but if my statement was in anyway belittling, know that it wasn't intentional.
: I'm also a woman in computer science! and I've also rarely ever been intimidated by being in rooms full of men. I've always been more of a tomboy, and quite comfortable socializing with men-- just not on league of legends. I avoid making friends in this game, and I especially avoid getting into situations where people would want to duo and use voice comms. As I've posted on other strangely MIA threads, league of legends is the first online game I've played where I have actually felt like I have to hide. There's a really toxic attitude to women in the community, and finding out that it came all the way from Riot wasn't exactly surprising. Disheartening, but not surprising. There's quite a few minorities coming out of the woodwork and saying that we don't need help. "Don't speak for us!'. I kind of agree, and I kind of disagree. I'd like Riot to set an example and to be less sexist. I'd like the community to hold itself to a higher standard concerning all of the judgements and shittyness that they see fit to put players through on the basis of their sex\gender. I don't think that would qualify me as "not wanting help". But of course I agree that Riot's approach is wrong (I said "less sexist", not "still sexist"). It doesn't help, and I agree with other minority players when they say they never asked for this or wanted this. I think if it is possible, female/non-binary fans of this game should try to create something like an open letter to Riot about how we would actually want their sexism to be approached. I haven't seen anyone who agrees with their exclusion approach who isn't a Rioter, and they never actually asked us for our input...and it's clear that they are not listening to the guys. Not yet.
> [{quoted}](name=Moons of Jupiter,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2018-09-02T22:43:55.909+0000) > > I'm also a woman in computer science! > > and I've also rarely ever been intimidated by being in rooms full of men. I've always been more of a tomboy, and quite comfortable socializing with men-- just not on league of legends. I avoid making friends in this game, and I especially avoid getting into situations where people would want to duo and use voice comms. > > As I've posted on other strangely MIA threads, league of legends is the first online game I've played where I have actually felt like I have to hide. There's a really toxic attitude to women in the community, and finding out that it came all the way from Riot wasn't exactly surprising. Disheartening, but not surprising. > > There's quite a few minorities coming out of the woodwork and saying that we don't need help. "Don't speak for us!'. I kind of agree, and I kind of disagree. > > I'd like Riot to set an example and to be less sexist. I'd like the community to hold itself to a higher standard concerning all of the judgements and shittyness that they see fit to put players through on the basis of their sex\gender. I don't think that would qualify me as "not wanting help". > > But of course I agree that Riot's approach is wrong (I said "less sexist", not "still sexist"). It doesn't help, and I agree with other minority players when they say they never asked for this or wanted this. > > I think if it is possible, female/non-binary fans of this game should try to create something like an open letter to Riot about how we would actually want their sexism to be approached. I haven't seen anyone who agrees with their exclusion approach who isn't a Rioter, and they never actually asked us for our input...and it's clear that they are not listening to the guys. Not yet. that's cool! i'm more of a girly-girl myself but i completely agree with your message. it was an experience, walking into classrooms like that even if i've always felt more comfortable around guys lol. when i came into the game i was also pretty worried about how i would be received, but after a while i realized that it was just a game. people are gonna shit-talk, they're going push each others buttons and they're going to act dumb. i might be unique in this, but i've only had so many negative experiences due to my gender - the worst of which was having guys "slide up in my DMs". i appreciate riot's intention, but that's about it. i would love for them to make strides towards welcoming all types of people interested in games, just not in such a way that intentionally feeds these negative stereotypes. if it's wrong for an old man to insist that men and women can't coexist, why is it okay for a mainstream analyst to say the same? about the open letter- it's a really good idea. there was this one thread (reddit/boards, i don't remember) that basically asked the same but i can't find it. it's dumb, but a reason for me writing this was because i knew that Riot wasn't taking the rest of the community seriously. maybe it's arrogant of me, but if someone has any kind of power in this conversation it might as well be the ones they're tying to appease. that's how i see it at least. thanks for the comment, and good luck in your studies! don't be afraid to make friends and open up; you'll meet mean people but you'll also find those that you treasure - those that don't care about how you were born but who you are as a person.
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2018-09-02T22:02:28.785+0000) > > the exclusion of men was intended so that women would feel more comfortable being at said panels. Was the environment intended for their staff? Or for the players visiting them? I can understand making the staff feel more comfortable, especially if it was a purposely assigned all female panels. But if it was intended to make the players more comfortable, then I would be even more curious to know exactly what was discussed on those panels that could make the females players more comfortable, especially amongst the game design topics. Or is the existence of being with many men within the room alone enough to make a women feel uncomfortable?
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=001100000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T22:45:06.247+0000) > > Was the environment intended for their staff? Or for the players visiting them? > > I can understand making the staff feel more comfortable, especially if it was a purposely assigned all female panels. But if it was intended to make the players more comfortable, then I would be even more curious to know exactly what was discussed on those panels that could make the females players more comfortable, especially amongst the game design topics. > > Or is the existence of being with many men with the room alone enough to make a women feel uncomfortable? nope, it was for the fans who payed to attend PAX. funny thing is, Riot didn't mention any of it until after the fact. i also don't understand how banning men/making women more comfortable is supposed to help them in the Gaming Industry given its demographics... but what do i know :/
: if im understanding correctly this is saying something like: equal opportunities is all that needs to be given to minorities helping minorities is helping them gain access to tools they need in order to thrive in their current environment it is not giving them an environment with lower or changed standards. hope i understood it correctly? this was really well written! im just not very good at english ^^ i welcome any clarifications and explanations! :D
> [{quoted}](name=RiverWind0407,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-09-02T22:42:39.067+0000) > > if im understanding correctly this is saying something like: > equal opportunities is all that needs to be given to minorities > helping minorities is helping them gain access to tools they need in order to thrive in their current environment > it is not giving them an environment with lower or changed standards. > hope i understood it correctly? > this was really well written! im just not very good at english ^^ > i welcome any clarifications and explanations! :D thanks! sort of, equal opportunity is definitely a main point of mine - another point that is also center is the need to uplift people _productively__, not by catering to their fears/discomforts but by encouraging personal growth. when kids are afraid of thunder, do you cover their ears so that they never have to listen, or do you help them understand their fear? the same concept applies towards uplifting women/minorities. there was no reason for banning men beyond "covering their ears", so to speak {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
4th3t0s (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Buff Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T18:36:21.256+0000) > _**grow the fuck up**_ {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} ARE YOU KIDDING ME
> [{quoted}](name=DrGraveline,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T22:21:25.813+0000) > > _**grow the fuck up**_ > > {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} > > ARE > YOU > KIDDING ME giving guys the garen is very upsetting as you can see
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-02T12:32:51.074+0000) > > TL;DR - don't lower your expectations of minorities in order to improve numbers , don't forget/insult your primary audience , don't take advantage of real issues/history by harming others , do seek ways to better engage/uplift those in need of noting the aforementioned > QUESTION!! As I'm trying to get up to date with this PAX drama. Is your TLDR a TLDR of the your post, (which is your opinion on how Riot handled things)? Or is it a TLDR about what happened in room 613 after you listened in that panel? Cos I'm very curious what happened about what was actually discussed in room 613. Did they just scream "women need to rise up!!" Or something like that in that room? Did they talk about being a producer like in Travis Gafford's interviews but with a fully women point of view, and the hardships women have to go through? Were they trying to encourage more women to be in the industry by reviewing female resumes only? Were all that time before 230 just pure feminism shitting on men? SIDE NOTE: I'm an Asian man.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-09-02T21:46:10.595+0000) > > QUESTION!! As I'm trying to get up to date with this PAX drama. > > Is your TLDR a TLDR of the your post, (which is your opinion on how Riot handled things)? Or is it a TLDR about what happened in room 613 after you listened in that panel? Cos I'm very curious what happened about what was actually discussed in room 613. > > > > Did they just scream "women need to rise up!!" Or something like that in that room? > > Did they talk about being a producer like in Travis Gafford's interviews but with a fully women point of view, and the hardships women have to go through? > > Were they trying to encourage more women to be in the industry by reviewing female resumes only? > > Were all that time before 230 just pure feminism shitting on men? > > SIDE NOTE: I'm an Asian man. TL;DR is of the post itself, not the situation. the event in question included resumé-review but was mainly a series of presentations including (not limited to) character design, production careers, narrative writing - most everything anyone interested in the games industry would care for. the exclusion of men was intended so that women would feel more comfortable being at said panels. a lot of the fallout stems from Riot’s (and certain employees) attacking the community/justifying said attack for pointing out the sexism behind banning men EDIT: 10 AM-12 PM: 1-on-1 resume review & feedback 12-3 PM: Presentations including: Art + Champions/Skins Design How to be a Producer Narrative Writing Production Careers Game Design Advanced Cosplay 3-4:30 PM: Meditation / quiet space hour (except Sunday) 4:30-6 PM: “Ask a Rito” (Stop by and chat with a Rioter) so basically if you were born the wrong way the only panel you get is the Q&A
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-02T12:32:51.074+0000) > > TL;DR - don't lower your expectations of minorities in order to improve numbers , don't forget/insult your primary audience , don't take advantage of real issues/history by harming others , do seek ways to better engage/uplift those in need of noting the aforementioned > > Edit: [very good post for the unaware](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/R3EqewTu-riot-is-this-really-who-you-want-representing-you?show=flat&page=2) + numerous grammar/clarity errors resolved > > To patronize, the expectation of _help_ in spite of one's capabilities, is understood. We patronize when affording certain rights, opportunities or forgivings to people whom we expect cannot do better without - it's a form of charity wrapped in condescension. > > When educating myself on the PAX controversy, I knew that I had been patronized. I learned of an opinion amongst many Rioters and their affiliates, that **[women are people in need of](https://twitter.com/Froskurinn/status/1035865788220026880) ~{1}~ [protection and seperate consideration](https://twitter.com/chhopsky/status/1035949537934725120) ~{2}~ [should They one day come to par in fields](https://twitter.com/chhopsky/status/1035945479660400640) ~{3}~ [otherwise "dominated" by the other half](https://twitter.com/RiotPulse/status/1035935059646267393) ~{4}~ **(yes, those are all individual links). I understood the subconscious expectation that men intimidate women, that history supersedes any moral, philosophical or ethical achievements made thereafter. I learned that many, those who matter and hold power in our community, would seek equality through tearing people down so that we may all stand equally - not for the better, but for a modification of their own prospective realities. > > PAX Room 613 was a safe-space. It served to both ease intimidation and enable women to succeed with knowledge - just not the type of knowledge intended to overcome the fear which warranted their segregation. When first entering college, I did so under Computer Science. My major-specific courses led me to lectures and labs whose constituency always meant that I would be a minority. I was used to being one of five in rooms of 200-some prospectives (exaggeration, you get the picture - it was a meat-fest). It intimidated me, I felt unsure and yes, perhaps I _would_ have felt a congesting sense of confidence should these emotions been recognized. I left the major for a number of reasons, most of which manifest in my own self-reflections, but I won't deny that if institutions recognized fear, intimidation and lack of confidence with **respect for what they are and where they manifest** rather than **hiding us affected from reality** that perhaps we would see numbers improve. > > When a child is afraid to make friends, do we alienate them for closure? Do we seperate them from school and teach them indivually? It's an option, but is it in any way practical for the child's development? Will masking reality and teaching them that **your protectors will take care of you** something that should, or is, praised? For reference, the bolded statement in Paragraph Two (exclude TL;DR). > > The problem with Riot's approach to Women (~~and non-binaries - let's act as if that wasn't a token~~) was that they provided a valuable, informative event which alienated most of their core audience with no time in advance to warn under the premise that **Minorities are a class that need to be patronized in order for them to compete meaningfully to Men**. If there was a panel dedicated towards recognizing the factors which go into the desire for safe-spaces, if there was a panel dedicated towards Inspiring Women and Non-Binaries or Expressing the Excitement of STEM or even just Voicing Experiences to Humanize What is Otherwise Misunderstood - any of that could have done a better job at affiliating minorities, any of that could have been done without shunning half of your audience. > > Note, "half" is likely a generous term. > > Equal opportunity will lead us to unequal results, _that's okay_. There's nothing wrong if women naturally decide not to enlist themselves in STEM or video-games as a whole, there's nothing wrong if one day the roles reverse, **there's nothing wrong with people doing what they love**. What is wrong, and what I pray Riot won't do, is force statistical change. I don't want women to be X-50% of your workplace because you chose to deny equally/more qualified Others a position they could have done better. I don't want companies in general to lower their expectations of Women in order to make us feel what in their mind qualifies as better. I understand the disparity between sexes when it comes to STEM, I understand that it oftentimes feels ridiculous that this gap could be so large and I know that part of it lies in issues beyond choice **but that's only part**. We can't let this section of reality blind us from individual prerogative. > > Growing up, I felt a sense of pride that the people around me have grown to accept people as individual on levels beyond looks. I was happy that I knew that people could aspire to be who they wished with the only inequality which would suffice were those which manifest in our individuality. These past years have shaken that for me, it's a shame that one of the last places I had to escape the reality of 21st century politic is started to become congested. > > I love League of Legends, I love the community and I love the people I've come to recognize as my friends. I'm doing my best to discriminate what I've experienced this weekend from what keeps me logging in and playing, I'm going to continue supporting the game I love and I'm going to hold it in my heart that this is just a stumble for Riot Games and their affiliates. I want to support you, and if you choose to support those like me all I could hope for is that you do it by uplifting and expecting excellence from us - not by holding others down whilst denying the reality of what you've just done. Well written but Riot has shown staunch and outright ignorant attacks towards opinions similar to yours. I feel this is more than a "stumble" for them.
> [{quoted}](name=Aametherar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-09-02T18:18:02.519+0000) > > Well written but Riot has shown staunch and outright ignorant attacks towards opinions similar to yours. I feel this is more than a "stumble" for them. it might just be more romantic than anything, but you're right. "stumble" is a very kind way of describing riot's behavior; there's this part of me insisting that i'm being too kind in my reaction considering how deep some of these rioters go. the silence and respectful disagreement from others is what keeps me. i hope that riot (and the rest of the industry for that matter, how many times does this have to occur?) is able to respect the community at large - i know many who don't socialize with the boards/reddit and just play for fun and more who in real life lack the courage to speak their mind.
: fuck off jordan b peterson
> [{quoted}](name=Buff Jhin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2018-09-02T18:26:57.515+0000) > > fuck off jordan b peterson {{sticker:garen-swing}}
: Cheers love! :D I posted a discussion 3 days ago about Neo Liberalism in your product = Financial losses; and sadly it dissolved into a lot of ignorant drivel.... 10/10 on your post! :D
> [{quoted}](name=BlackEyesBlue,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-09-02T17:39:08.789+0000) > > Cheers love! :D > > I posted a discussion 3 days ago about Neo Liberalism in your product = Financial losses; and sadly it dissolved into a lot of ignorant drivel.... > > 10/10 on your post! :D that's a rather eloquent way of saying "get woke, go broke"... not to say i disagree! i can't blame people for becoming skeptical/refusing to invest further in the game, i struggled with that myself but my heart just isn't there yet
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T15:00:58.159+0000) > > that’s also troubling to me, and like i mentioned before this whole situation is a major disappointment due to their warped/narrow sense of thinking - i might add on to that later. ever since ideas such as “racism = prejudice + power”/“sexism/ x-ism = something + power” starting picking speed i couldn’t stop myself from thinking how ignorant some people could be about the world around them (example: racism existing in countries outside of the West). this whole thing is largely upsetting to me on many levels, i don’t think my post was clear enough but i wrote it mostly in the moment for peace of mind [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kNHtg-FxQ) Seriously though, this was a well thought out, well worded statement. While much of it is common sense the way you express yourself was not only refreshing, but highly enjoyable to read. Not only was everything spot on, I don't feel like you missed anything. Thanks for posting this. You have a fan!
> [{quoted}](name=StonePlatypus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000500000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-02T16:27:39.238+0000) > > [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_kNHtg-FxQ) > > Seriously though, this was a well thought out, well worded statement. While much of it is common sense the way you express yourself was not only refreshing, but highly enjoyable to read. Not only was everything spot on, I don't feel like you missed anything. > > Thanks for posting this. You have a fan! thank you, i appreciate it! i know that a lot of it is just understood for many, which is why i did add the TL;DR. unfortunately, it’s things like these which remind us that “common sense” is oftentimes just “sense”
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: Riot, is this really who you want representing you?
Gonna link this in my own post for the uninitiated, it does a better job at breaking down the situation than I ever could {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: > [{quoted}](name=arovitta,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T14:51:47.468+0000) > > both super valid, i also agree that Riot should address those like DZK. there’s a way of communicating opinion, it’s a shame that the loudest ones are always those that are intentionally inflammatory. morello made a good statement on the matter and although i disagree, it was respectful and decent. i hope that Riot’s public statement implies that there are some measure being considered, but time will tell for sure Well, their public statement is that regardless of how heated the discussion, Rioters need to be respectful (so they MIGHT do something about him) but they've already stated they are completely proud of their panel while still refusing to acknowledge their "positive" sexism. https://twitter.com/riotgames/status/1036057521675329538
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T14:53:56.940+0000) > > Well, their public statement is that regardless of how heated the discussion, Rioters need to be respectful (so they MIGHT do something about him) but they've already stated they are completely proud of their panel while still refusing to acknowledge their "positive" sexism. > > https://twitter.com/riotgames/status/1036057521675329538 that’s also troubling to me, and like i mentioned before this whole situation is a major disappointment due to their warped/narrow sense of thinking - i might add on to that later. ever since ideas such as “racism = prejudice + power”/“sexism/ x-ism = something + power” starting picking speed i couldn’t stop myself from thinking how ignorant some people could be about the world around them (example: racism existing in countries outside of the West). this whole thing is largely upsetting to me on many levels, i don’t think my post was clear enough but i wrote it mostly in the moment for peace of mind
: > [{quoted}](name=SatomiKun,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-02T14:35:51.417+0000) > > Well written and I feel exactly the same about this topic, I wish I could have shown my opinion as clearly here in the boards like you did, but I didn't see myself able to do that since English is not my first language. > So I want to thank you for doing us all a favor for creating this post. > > __________________________ > > I just have to say... I think that Riot should let Daniel Z Klein feel consequences for what he said to the community. **Not** saying that they have to fire him, but giving the statement that it is impossible to act in a sexist way against men by default is not something that Riot should leave unchecked in my eyes. As someone who had to face sexism against my own person for being a man in the past, I can't help saying that what he did was wrong. > > Not Riots fault, of course. They are trying their best in this delicate situation. Yeah, apparently Daniel Klein is the kinda guy who thinks that it's only possible to be discriminated against if you're in the minority. So I guess if you take a racist white guy in the US and put him in Africa or Asia, he's magically NOT racist anymore!
> [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-09-02T14:42:54.656+0000) > > Yeah, apparently Daniel Klein is the kinda guy who thinks that it's only possible to be discriminated against if you're in the minority. So I guess if you take a racist white guy in the US and put him in Africa or Asia, he's magically NOT racist anymore! both super valid, i also agree that Riot should address those like DZK. there’s a way of communicating opinion, it’s a shame that the loudest ones are always those that are intentionally inflammatory. morello made a good statement on the matter and although i disagree, it was respectful and decent. i hope that Riot’s public statement implies that there are some measure being considered, but time will tell for sure
: What i got from skimming through it is that she uses this thing called common sense to point out the obvious... Which is why i said she needs a TLDR.
> [{quoted}](name=Smokin Penguin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=sLET8FIh,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-09-02T12:49:30.340+0000) > > What i got from skimming through it is that she uses this thing called common sense to point out the obvious... > > Which is why i said she needs a TLDR. a lot of it is, but i feel that it's appropriate given the nature of what's happened and the dialogue going about. i understand what you mean and i've added a really concise TL;DR that i probably should have done anyway, thanks for point it out :)
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