: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:43:24.412+0000) > > Yeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules. Being the last straw before a punishment doesn't make the last straw the only contributing factor. If you believe Riot is lying that's pretty much the end of the discussion. I believe them over you if only for the simple fact that they have access to far more information relevant to the case compared to you.
Yeah i just agreed with you it was multiple games you dont need to repeat that? I dont get your point. We know that all his games were streamed and he always did the strat no matter who was which team. Making the targeting streaming statement a lie. Its not like riot is the only company that can look at all the replays and livestreams. Again what he is doing is not bannable Heres some links of people playing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxGnJX7xNKY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEU-IgLbtgc
zPOOPz (NA)
: so ignored the team and forced it on them is the better way to go?
Who said he ignores the team? Off meta strats arent bannable
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:35:57.172+0000) > > Can you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why? Here's my reply to you in another thread. > [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:23:44.174+0000) > > I can give you a link to the statement by Riot. > However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer. If you want to play off meta, we think that's great! If you want to play off meta only to spite other players and reap the negative reactions and attention from their viewers while they are streaming then we don’t consider that a good faith use of off meta play.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/c0m449/nightblue3_gets_his_teammate_banned_for_playing/er61hxj/) > > I'm not going to spend time trying to dig up information when Riot already has access to far more data than me or you and has made a judgement based on the information **they** have. All that's left is either believing that Riot is lying with this statement or not. And I certainly believe them more than I believe you. If their data is accurate, > > *"However, after reviewing the continued reports we were receiving (from multiple sources) a pattern was forming where this targeted off meta behavior was occurring most often in games when the player was with a high profile streamer"* > > Then I accept their justification behind the punishment. In that statement it says **games**. With an 's'. He was banned for a pattern of behavior. You're free to claim Riot is lying but that's the official stance of the justification regardless of what you believe.
Yeah "games" of him playing the roaming teemo support strat. Which is totally with riots rules of not griefing and not trolling. Again, we know he was only banned when NB3 complained. he wouldve gotten banned prior to that already since he streams all his games and was never banned because it wasn't against the rules.
arowin242 (EUW)
: the entire nubrac and nightblu3 debacle has gone on long enough, riot banned both - effectively stating that playing off-meta is allowed as long as you are coordinating with your team and/or actively trying, or winning the game. while nubrac did say what he was going to do he did not coordinate with his team afterwards. the other statement is that community outrage against a streamer can get him in trouble - but we already knew this. if you are planning to play off-meta in ranked communicate in champ select to solve any problems they might have with it. do none of them want you to play off-meta? then play either on-meta or pick a different champ. if anything practice off-meta strategies with a 5-stacked blind pick game, and see how it holds up. once the strategy is found to be performing good enough to be viable and consistent, go to ranked with friends or duo, or just negotiate with your team. That's all.
Nubrac discussed how you cant discuss these strats in champ select because the people already get tilted and flame before game making them perform worse.
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:55:11.838+0000) > > if i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong. > > There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs Nubrac wasn't banned for one game.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:26:55.211+0000) > > Nubrac wasn't banned for one games Can you point out the multiple games he was banned for and why?
: > Edit: I really appreciate how people take the time to downvote but not add to the discussion. Such a great community Is anything today **not** going to upset you? You're spamming the board with posts and then jumping on everyone who replies to you if you don't like their replies. Ignore people you don't agree with. Ignore up/downvotes. They're meaningless.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:02:03.883+0000) > > Is anything today **not** going to upset you? You're spamming the board with posts and then jumping on everyone who replies to you if you don't like their replies. Ignore people you don't agree with. Ignore up/downvotes. They're meaningless. Then why do you reply and downvote/upvote?
rujitra (NA)
: Nubrac did not just take CS/XP. Nubrac intentionally, without coordinating with his team, refused to play his assigned role of support instead playing some mix between jungle and multiple lane carry roles. You will not get banned simply for farming as a support, assuming you are playing as a support. If you are intentionally attempting to let your lane partner die just so you can steal the kills, that may be something that would factor into a decision. Similarly, if you are attempting to tank to let your partner escape, if you are building items that have utility (ex: cc, slows, heals, armor shred, etc) then that would be a positive. Griefing/trolling decisions in cases that are not blatantly obvious (ex: someone running it down one lane all game) are not based on one or two behaviors - the players’ behavior as a whole, through out the entire game (and many times multiple games) is evaluated and a determination is made as to whether the player is acting maliciously or not.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1zrvprEH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:48:44.327+0000) > > Nubrac did not just take CS/XP. Nubrac intentionally, without coordinating with his team, refused to play his assigned role of support instead playing some mix between jungle and multiple lane carry roles. > > You will not get banned simply for farming as a support, assuming you are playing as a support. If you are intentionally attempting to let your lane partner die just so you can steal the kills, that may be something that would factor into a decision. Similarly, if you are attempting to tank to let your partner escape, if you are building items that have utility (ex: cc, slows, heals, armor shred, etc) then that would be a positive. > > Griefing/trolling decisions in cases that are not blatantly obvious (ex: someone running it down one lane all game) are not based on one or two behaviors - the players’ behavior as a whole, through out the entire game (and many times multiple games) is evaluated and a determination is made as to whether the player is acting maliciously or not. if i recall the game nubrac was banned for, he never gave up and the other players on his team went afk. It seems as if Nubrac was playing support and supporting his mid lane if im not wrong. There is a difference between that and someone that says GG then goes afk in a side lane and lets enemy team end for free without defending objs
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=000200010002000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:32:29.872+0000) > > you do realise that sona takes the cs becuase she builds ap and shes the carry? Did you ignore this part? "**Due to how spellthiefs works, the support(taric/tk) would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed**" So depending on the lane match up, Sona wouldn't farm until after Spellthiefs quest was completed. Which could be between 8 minites and 16 I think the latest was.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=0002000100020000000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:36:07.999+0000) > > Did you ignore this part? > > "**Due to how spellthiefs works, the support(taric/tk) would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed**" > > So depending on the lane match up, Sona wouldn't farm until after Spellthiefs quest was completed. Which could be between 8 minites and 16 I think the latest was. Yes they split the gold and when spellthiefs is completed the carry takes ALL the cs and taric takes none. If taric kept taking all cs the strat wouldnt work nearly as well. How hard is that to understand?
: Uhhh homie, have you heard about the Sona/Taric and Sona/TK bot lanes that was happening? Maybe not be relevant since Sona nerf but still. Yes, in pro play. Previous mentioned lane would have the bottom laner on Sona with Spellthiefs. The support would take the other (Taric/TK) and Targons. Due to how spellthiefs works, the support would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=00020001000200000002,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:28:03.611+0000) > > Uhhh homie, have you heard about the Sona/Taric and Sona/TK bot lanes that was happening? Maybe not be relevant since Sona nerf but still. Yes, in pro play. > > Previous mentioned lane would have the bottom laner on Sona with Spellthiefs. The support would take the other (Taric/TK) and Targons. Due to how spellthiefs works, the support would actually be the one farming until Spellthiefs quest completed. you do realise that sona takes the cs becuase she builds ap and shes the carry? Make sure you do realise that they abuse the gold system and you did agree that the carry(sona) takes the cs
: People have scores like this and then tell me not to surrender.
it happens all the time, we arent in Korea where you can AFK. People are going to downvote your post here too. Sorry this happened to you
: Absolutely nothing, i would piss people off thats for sure, but in itself is 100% not bannable. there is no actual rule in any way shape or form saying i cant take {{champion:25}} support cs and build full ap.
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=000200010002,timestamp=2019-07-12T18:15:06.277+0000) > > Absolutely nothing, > > i would piss people off thats for sure, but in itself is 100% not bannable. there is no actual rule in any way shape or form saying i cant take {{champion:25}} support cs and build full ap. Nothing huh? I wonder why they give the cs to the adc in LCS games. I wonder what team would lose if one team had the support taking all the CS? Its almost like gold allocation really matters in MOBAs
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-12T17:11:09.059+0000) > > With the automatic system you can walk around griefing team, griefing punishment system is manual, not automated. only the chat and leaverbuster are automated. > take other lanes cs, no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable. > run it down, as long as it legitimately is running it down (not just running in expecting a 3v3 then your team begins to puss out) then just wait for the manual review. > anything really to make your team lose there are things that make your team lose that arent actually griefing though, like just plain old getting outplayed and feeding. > and you will not get punished if you dont type anything in chat. those are moderated in two seperate ways. griefing cant be automatically detected in 99% of cases, where as chat can be caught via a simple filter, which is what makes it seem like "chat is only punished". they punish both, just one is way easier to detect.
> no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable. > go into ranked, queue up for support, take all the cs and see what happens
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-12T17:11:09.059+0000) > > With the automatic system you can walk around griefing team, griefing punishment system is manual, not automated. only the chat and leaverbuster are automated. > take other lanes cs, no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable. > run it down, as long as it legitimately is running it down (not just running in expecting a 3v3 then your team begins to puss out) then just wait for the manual review. > anything really to make your team lose there are things that make your team lose that arent actually griefing though, like just plain old getting outplayed and feeding. > and you will not get punished if you dont type anything in chat. those are moderated in two seperate ways. griefing cant be automatically detected in 99% of cases, where as chat can be caught via a simple filter, which is what makes it seem like "chat is only punished". they punish both, just one is way easier to detect.
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sgEAvZTG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-12T17:35:17.067+0000) > > griefing punishment system is manual, not automated. only the chat and leaverbuster are automated. > > no one owns the gold, this isnt bannable. > > as long as it legitimately is running it down (not just running in expecting a 3v3 then your team begins to puss out) then just wait for the manual review. > > there are things that make your team lose that arent actually griefing though, like just plain old getting outplayed and feeding. > > those are moderated in two seperate ways. griefing cant be automatically detected in 99% of cases, where as chat can be caught via a simple filter, which is what makes it seem like "chat is only punished". they punish both, just one is way easier to detect. You really arent understanding the point. I can take my teams gold and then not help the team win by never pushing objs, or grouping for objs. Just walking around csing never touching an obj or enemy champ
Rioter Comments
: > It is obviously against the rules but these players never get punished or banned. Yes they do. There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago. The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are *actually* intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent. When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:57:42.165+0000) > > Yes they do. > > There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago. > > The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are *actually* intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent. > > When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans. Its funny how you say he was trolling, but he says he was intentionally playing to win not to lose/troll, also a Rioter said what he was doing was fine. If you can please explain how that works.
: I wish people that legitimately inted games for "fun" got punished more.
> [{quoted}](name=KíttyBun,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uBAm2EAY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-12T00:55:51.711+0000) > > Like i know its super hard to detect in a lot of cases, and they know that too by being super vague and not really saying anything and just griefing you. > But like there sa tryndamere in my game who literally said "im gonna make all of you lose" proceeded to take my red my raptors and my krugs all game long while building correctly. But the chances of him getting punished for it are very VERY low. Meanwhile if we say anything negative about how he is acting or playing we get punished. Like it's just really frustrating how poorly the system detects inting. Kitty these people on the forums will downvote you becuase they dont want inters to be punished. Its really weird. They provide no help or suggestions to help the system. In league you can just run down games and int and never got banned. I have a friend who made a new account, got it ranked and ran down 10 games in a row due to mental. Never punished never banned
Hotarµ (NA)
: > If you want actual discussion about this, you might wanna find a different forum. > > This forum is an echo chamber and a troll chamber. > Anyone who would defend that behavior (what OP described) is out of their mind and isn't welcome here. Be realistic, that's not what we're about. > If you're not bashing the players who post here and not sucking up to the RIOT team/volunteers you're gonna be downvoted into oblivion and insulted. > For what it's worth, I don't downvote people unless they're super off topic or say something unbelievably ignorant even after presented with factual information. I won't lie though, I wish downvotes were removed from this board. It can feel like an echochamber sometimes because some people really aren't willing to have a discussion and that's sad.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uBAm2EAY,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-12T01:28:37.611+0000) > > Anyone who would defend that behavior (what OP described) is out of their mind and isn't welcome here. Be realistic, that's not what we're about. > > For what it's worth, I don't downvote people unless they're super off topic or say something unbelievably ignorant even after presented with factual information. > > I won't lie though, I wish downvotes were removed from this board. It can feel like an echochamber sometimes because some people really aren't willing to have a discussion and that's sad. People in this forum just downvote people that are complaining about Inters. Its literally a cult following. Every post i see talking about how Inters should be punished is downvoted? Why? I do not really know, apparently these people dont want griefers to be punished. Its really weird how i look at the people who disagree about griefers in posts are unranked and dont play solo queue
: Actual, viable threats are a legal issue, not a League issue, and are obviously an exception. I'm referring to insults, general aggression, and the o-so-horrific **_H A T E S P E E C H_**, all of which can be avoided with the press of a button. If someone tracks you down and does _anything_, that isn't chat. Viable threats aren't something you should be reporting to Riot, they're something you should be reporting to the police. Any instance of someone _actually_ tracking someone else down that they had absolutely no connection to before hand is an extreme case and something that likely less than one out of one million players will ever experience. That's so fringe that it's urban legend level.
> [{quoted}](name=KhaZix Bot,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=L29eKslg,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T03:40:39.879+0000) > > Actual, viable threats are a legal issue, not a League issue, and are obviously an exception. > > I'm referring to insults, general aggression, and the o-so-horrific **_H A T E S P E E C H_**, all of which can be avoided with the press of a button. If someone tracks you down and does _anything_, that isn't chat. Viable threats aren't something you should be reporting to Riot, they're something you should be reporting to the police. Any instance of someone _actually_ tracking someone else down that they had absolutely no connection to before hand is an extreme case and something that likely less than one out of one million players will ever experience. That's so fringe that it's urban legend level. I agree with you, i think we should have it like Korea where you can say anything, and thats the server where inters get punished. They dont get punished in NA, only people that type do because of the automatic bot. If you run it down without saying a word in chat you can not get banned. The people on these forums will disagree with you even though you can see they dont play solo queue and they dont understand what playing at higher elo games feels like when you get griefed.
Subdue (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T15:50:59.485+0000) > > Would you look at that, no proof to show that Nubrac did it on purpose to annoy people, very funny. This is just players disagreeing with his strat. Just because you disagree makes you right and him wrong? You also agreed off meta stuff is NOT against the rules. So explain how ban is justified. Man, when you are so focused on arguing that you don't even realize your position has been reversed. You started this thread with "Why don't trolls get banned," and now you're arguing "You have no proof of trolling!" You asked for a player review system, and now, looking at the extensive response to the Nubrac situation and what the result of player review would have been, you're arguing that the player review would be wrong...
> [{quoted}](name=Subdue,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-12T16:35:01.127+0000) > > Man, when you are so focused on arguing that you don't even realize your position has been reversed. You started this thread with "Why don't trolls get banned," and now you're arguing "You have no proof of trolling!" > > You asked for a player review system, and now, looking at the extensive response to the Nubrac situation and what the result of player review would have been, you're arguing that the player review would be wrong... Nubrac was playing to win the game? Which im sure we can respect even if we dont agree. I can link the youtube video of a player actually trolling and its nothing like Nubrac. Players that afk, and leave lane and do nothing just to make the team lose is my point. People soft-int on purpose and refuse to help the team. Nubrac kept playing to win the whole time. Big difference
: It's important to note here, that in this game, my top, mid, and jungle lost their respective matchups. So the enemy jungler decided he only had to sit bot to win the game. After pointing this out, our midlaner decided to walk botlane and afk farm. Bet that guy wasn't banned
> [{quoted}](name=Spyndamere,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vaiV11Hv,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T13:16:14.073+0000) > > It's important to note here, that in this game, my top, mid, and jungle lost their respective matchups. So the enemy jungler decided he only had to sit bot to win the game. After pointing this out, our midlaner decided to walk botlane and afk farm. Bet that guy wasn't banned So people will troll your games and you will get upset and say something negative and get chat muted. Its happened to me but you really didnt say anything terribly bad and you obv show you want to win. Posting here will only get you downvotes, the players that sit on these forums dont play solo queue. So if you get griefed you cant type anything, you cant call out to report them because you will get banned with this current automated system. They report you and you get banned and thats how it is. You can literally go afk, D/c whatever you want in those games and you wont get punished with this system they have rn. All the people here just say its your fault and cause you have been punished in the past. Most people here dont understand that saying a lane lost is NOT flame. Dont waste your time here
: considering we had to put up with WEEKS of posts about this there is plenty of info available and I'm trying to avoid necro'ing it... but if you insist... many other streamers have been quoted as saying such. check out Hotaru's post here, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/NYE7tJKH-a-statement-about-nightblue in particular, this ForestWithin - "Half of reddit unironically defending nubrac is so disgusting - the kid actively ruins every game by picking teemo support and laning top/mid. Sitting invis in the middle of lane soaking xp while bot is 2v1 hahahah. This shit isn’t revolutionizing the meta it’s 400 games 48% wr" IreliaCarriesU - "nubrac has been a troll since season 4, i don't know why anyone is pitying him for the ban... no one signs up to play duo mid and solo adc when they queue for ranked, its an obvious stunt and people are falling for it. if anything nightblue did the high elo community a favor" Jensen - "imagine having a teemo support soaking xp mid and calling it a 'off meta strat' 🤣🤣 hopefully i'll never have to experience this strat :)" Doublelift - "guys if I was in my promo and game 5 a teemo support ran mid and soaked xp while I got zoned 1v2 I would 100% report it no questions asked"
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-12T15:21:19.565+0000) > > considering we had to put up with WEEKS of posts about this there is plenty of info available and I'm trying to avoid necro'ing it... > > but if you insist... > > many other streamers have been quoted as saying such. > > check out Hotaru's post here, https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/NYE7tJKH-a-statement-about-nightblue > > in particular, this > > ForestWithin - > > "Half of reddit unironically defending nubrac is so disgusting - the kid actively ruins every game by picking teemo support and laning top/mid. Sitting invis in the middle of lane soaking xp while bot is 2v1 hahahah. This shit isn’t revolutionizing the meta it’s 400 games 48% wr" > > IreliaCarriesU - > > "nubrac has been a troll since season 4, i don't know why anyone is pitying him for the ban... no one signs up to play duo mid and solo adc when they queue for ranked, its an obvious stunt and people are falling for it. if anything nightblue did the high elo community a favor" > > Jensen - > > "imagine having a teemo support soaking xp mid and calling it a 'off meta strat' 🤣🤣 > > hopefully i'll never have to experience this strat :)" > > Doublelift - > > "guys if I was in my promo and game 5 a teemo support ran mid and soaked xp while I got zoned 1v2 I would 100% report it no questions asked" Would you look at that, no proof to show that Nubrac did it on purpose to annoy people, very funny. This is just players disagreeing with his strat. Just because you disagree makes you right and him wrong? You also agreed off meta stuff is NOT against the rules. So explain how ban is justified.
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:26:03.339+0000) > > I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. please PLEASE go read up on that situation, you're WAYYYYY off with your interpretation
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:33:59.677+0000) > > please PLEASE go read up on that situation, you're WAYYYYY off with your interpretation Please show me how im off. I would love for you to prove your statement.
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:26:03.339+0000) > > I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. In the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game. Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2019-07-12T14:41:20.440+0000) > > In the Nubrac situation there was a Rioter that stated that they had been investigating him previously and finally decided on a ban because Riot believed he would deliberately attempt this tactic, knowing that it would greatly annoy and disrupt both mid and adc, when he knew there was a streamer in their game. > > Off meta is fine. Off meta with the purpose of aggravating people is not. Just as it's fine to feed but not fine to feed with the intention of aggravating your own team. Nubrac never did it to annoy teammates on purpose. Please show me a clip of where he says that
: If you are permanently banned, **Riot does not want you to come back.** End of story. They do not want your money. They don't want your business. They don't want anything to do with you. They just want you gone, and a permanent ban is the way of showing that.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:58:47.744+0000) > > If you are permanently banned, **Riot does not want you to come back.** > > End of story. > > They do not want your money. They don't want your business. They don't want anything to do with you. > > They just want you gone, and a permanent ban is the way of showing that. have you heard of Tyler1??
: > It is obviously against the rules but these players never get punished or banned. Yes they do. There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago. The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are *actually* intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent. When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=waxsskP1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-11T21:57:42.165+0000) > > Yes they do. > > There was a high profile case of a streamer getting banned for trolling his teammates not a month ago. > > The issue is is that it's significantly harder to tell when people are *actually* intentionally feeding or trolling (aside from super obvious cases) or if they are simply having a bad game or actually unskilled. Riot has to err on the side of caution to not punish people that are innocent. > > When a case of trolling or feeding is verified to be accurate, then it is an instant 14 day ban, as opposed to chat toxicity, which has two chat restrictions first before any bans. I assume you are referencing to the Nubrac situation? Where he wasnt trolling and he was trying to win? He got banned for no reason, he was playing to win and only got banned cause there was a streamer who complained. I get people in my games that give up and intentionally throw saying im done, and they never get banned. I even have clips i submit to Riot. No 14 day bans
Rioter Comments
: What did your chat logs say? It's always stressful when other players aren't playing to our expectations or picking champions that fit our ideal team comp, or ideal strategies. There's a lot of ways to push advantages and still play to win. But, if others are intent on making the game a negative experience, then you can either report them in the post game or attempt to defuse the situation in an appropriate way. I usually try "Let's just focus on the game please." If they're not willing to do just that, then they aren't going to respond positively to any other statements. If you were punished, you were doing something more than 1 line of "...please report." It only takes 1 report (2nd Bullet point under "Things to avoid": https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884#h2q1) to trigger a review of someone's game. While calling for reports is negative, they generally are not the sole reason for getting a punishment, but are a part of a more consistent negative comms in a game. It's also useless, as it only takes 1 person reporting to trigger a review.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Yb7pAfAL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-28T22:34:12.052+0000) > > What did your chat logs say? > > It's always stressful when other players aren't playing to our expectations or picking champions that fit our ideal team comp, or ideal strategies. There's a lot of ways to push advantages and still play to win. But, if others are intent on making the game a negative experience, then you can either report them in the post game or attempt to defuse the situation in an appropriate way. I usually try "Let's just focus on the game please." If they're not willing to do just that, then they aren't going to respond positively to any other statements. > > If you were punished, you were doing something more than 1 line of "...please report." It only takes 1 report (2nd Bullet point under "Things to avoid": https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884#h2q1) to trigger a review of someone's game. > > While calling for reports is negative, they generally are not the sole reason for getting a punishment, but are a part of a more consistent negative comms in a game. It's also useless, as it only takes 1 person reporting to trigger a review. Yeah it is unfortunate how they say "okay gg im not even to try to win" then they proceed to throw and dont get punished. But I got punished for calling him out for griefing and how he should play cause it was winnable. Pre Game Lobby: dAsKiLzZ: Why say gg in champ select dAsKiLzZ: comp is fine dAsKiLzZ: ? dAsKiLzZ: we dont dAsKiLzZ: you ap ezreal In Game: dAsKiLzZ: they wont build armor, just tabis dAsKiLzZ: no leash = no ganks dAsKiLzZ: then dontplay ranked dAsKiLzZ: you def try hard since you say gg and complain about comp dAsKiLzZ: shush dAsKiLzZ: play dAsKiLzZ: yeah dAsKiLzZ: missing bot dAsKiLzZ: fid missing bot dAsKiLzZ: i pinged for you dAsKiLzZ: i think he left cause the toxic feeding ezreal dAsKiLzZ: tbh dAsKiLzZ: winnable is ez wasnt behind dAsKiLzZ: stop talking in all chat dAsKiLzZ: play dAsKiLzZ: hes trolling i guess dAsKiLzZ: actually winnable if ezreal wasnt throwing dAsKiLzZ: lmfao dAsKiLzZ: afk mid (talking about ez being afk) dAsKiLzZ: feeding dAsKiLzZ: troll buildiong dAsKiLzZ: not helping team dAsKiLzZ: being toxic dAsKiLzZ: "im not gonna play" dAsKiLzZ: said ez dAsKiLzZ: 3v5 game [All]dAsKiLzZ: report ezreal ty
: > [{quoted}](name=dAsKiLzZ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Icj8Epfx,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-28T20:13:49.961+0000) > > Calling reports for someone that is toxic and probably griefing is harassment? What kind of world do we live in where we cant call someone out. Sure you can call people out just do so in a non toxic way. And as they said it only takes one report to flag the system. So just report the person you feel is being toxic after the match... it's not complicated.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosLordMadis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Icj8Epfx,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-28T20:48:36.696+0000) > > Sure you can call people out just do so in a non toxic way. And as they said it only takes one report to flag the system. So just report the person you feel is being toxic after the match... it's not complicated. you said calling for a report is harassment. It is not harassment to call for a player to be punished if they are breaking the rules.
: Yep. Griefers rarely get caught and the system punishes the people that express anger toward the griefers; terrible system
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Yb7pAfAL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-28T20:10:10.390+0000) > > Yep. Griefers rarely get caught and the system punishes the people that express anger toward the griefers; terrible system I got chat restricted for saying "Report ezreal thank you"
Kei143 (NA)
: The purpose of you calling for reports is to get someone punished. No one wants their account punished, thus the way you ask for reports is considered a harassment. There is no need to ask for reports, all a report does is to flag the system to review the game, and the toxicity number the system returns will be the same regardless of how many reports one recieves. Meaning; more reports doesn't get anyone punished likier or faster. Asking for reports at best annoys the other player, at worse can get you punished. Before you ask, the typically system doesn't punish based on one game alone, it punishes based on consistency x severity. Meaning a player can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many games of mild toxicity.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Icj8Epfx,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-25T01:34:42.049+0000) > > The purpose of you calling for reports is to get someone punished. No one wants their account punished, thus the way you ask for reports is considered a harassment. > > There is no need to ask for reports, all a report does is to flag the system to review the game, and the toxicity number the system returns will be the same regardless of how many reports one recieves. Meaning; more reports doesn't get anyone punished likier or faster. > > Asking for reports at best annoys the other player, at worse can get you punished. > > Before you ask, the typically system doesn't punish based on one game alone, it punishes based on consistency x severity. Meaning a player can be punished for 1 game of extreme toxicity or many games of mild toxicity. Calling reports for someone that is toxic and probably griefing is harassment? What kind of world do we live in where we cant call someone out.
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: Exploring Player Behavior Design Values
Their system is broken. I just got another 14 day ban when i was verbally abused and i said nothing vulgar back to them. I got a suspension and they got no punishment for starting to verbally abuse me and i didnt not say anything vulgar in retaliation, I would like some player support but i get none.
: Exploring Player Behavior Design Values
if i get another 14 day ban for GETTING FLAMED im done with this game, i dont say anything and i get banned cause they reported me, this system is broken and stupid
: Exploring Player Behavior Design Values
I got a 14 day suspension because my teamates were flaming me. All i said to the person was fuck off cunt, but i got suspended and they were swearing every sentance. I even have proof of it but no i got banned, this system sucks.

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