: Never said it does but we shouldn't make marksman useless just because you can't seem to kill them. And no I don't believe it should be but unlike other classes marksman are completely and utterly weak early game which is why support goes bot in the first place. Try an adc out see how much of a bitch it is to play them when their entire team is willing to commit suicide if it means killing you. Then maybe you'll understand the mentality of an adc main.
Better yet how about you players come to the realization that a marksman is one of if not the most important player on the team and just accept that the trade-off is they rely on team comp more than any class in the game focus more on protecting them and peeling for them and maybe just maybe an adc mentality might change a bit. Excuse me for wanting to do what every other player in this game wants we just want to be relevant and play our favorite type of champions.
: Game doesn't revolve around what marksmen players think the game should be. Get used to it.
Never said it does but we shouldn't make marksman useless just because you can't seem to kill them. And no I don't believe it should be but unlike other classes marksman are completely and utterly weak early game which is why support goes bot in the first place. Try an adc out see how much of a bitch it is to play them when their entire team is willing to commit suicide if it means killing you. Then maybe you'll understand the mentality of an adc main.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Meh, i guess you are lucky enough to never witness what happens when Panth and Morg on bot were a thing. Or old Taric in like half of hard CC matchups. Bot lane was always the most chaotic, since people are more confident to try weird things when they have a buddy right beside them Besides, Brand support is ooold news, mate.
It's old news yet still just as effective in lower ello it's cancer to go against. Your jungler doesn't understand that their win condition is to stop enemy adc from getting any farm and punishing him dramatically for doing the one thing they need to do. It be fine if the jungler understood that to win this lane I'm going to need a couple of ganks and if I don't get those I'll be underfarmed and useless for most of the game trying to play catch up.
: Game doesn't revolve around what marksmen players think the game should be. Get used to it.
Never said it does but we shouldn't make marksman useless just because you can't seem to kill them.
: The basic rules of lowelo
Oh don't 4get these key rules don't ever buy control wards those are for pussies. Don't ever gank a lane that's warded that lane is not gankable. Don't get creative about ganking the enemy doesn't know how to defend that and definitely don't put a pink in the river bush. Oh don't ever gank bot especially against a support brand xerath veigar or Annie it takes away their advantage in lane that is so griefing. Top lane gets lonely so make sure you spend extra time towards top lane to get our nasus ahead and wait till level 6 when darius has his ult we all like seeing his highlight reels followed by enemy double kill. Oh And definitely don't camp a lane with no wards that's just way too easy and completely unfair to take advantage of someone that doesn't ward. And when team fights start happening make you you are afk farming the jungle or lanes you are too good to be in team fights.
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: Except it's not fun and its oppressive as fuck facing mages at bot lane I don't like being zone out and hoping that my noob jungler takes advantage of them overextending if they don't well my laning phase is going to be really boring and not very fun. While on the other hand I will dodge before I have to play with a brand that's going to hard push my lane by pillar of flame. People that play that usually aren't doing it to support They're just being another apc and should be useless late game since they have such an oppressive early game.
And yeah I can control how I respond and that's a report every fucking time.
iiGazeii (NA)
: I don't think support necessarily equals utility. They're just the champion who is going botlane and sacrificing their income to a champion designed to scale. Technically, any champion can support, but some are just better at it than others. I'd argue that high-damage mage supports are valid. Artillery mages like Brand and Vel'koz can do quite well as a support due to their range, allowing them to zone the enemy from the minion wave and give their teammate a health and CS lead over their enemy. Low-range mages like Annie and Veigar bring powerful stuns and burst damage to the table, discouraging all-ins and adding additional pressure when they get a lead. Things like Teemo or Ashe support are meme strats more than anything, only really good for being annoying and keeping the enemy from landing CS every now and then. Not optimal, but not the worst. Champions that have no right supporting are champs like Yasuo and TF, since they're the ones that want to get fed and scale. They'd be better off as the ADC with someone else supporting them. You can't keep people from picking weird things. You can't control what your teammates do. What you can control is how you respond. You can flame out your teammate and blame them, or you can roll with it and try to make the best of it. The former is a guaranteed loss, while the latter has the potential to be a win. From a competitive standpoint, it's optimal to shut your mouth, stop typing, and focus on your own actions, not your teammates'.
Except it's not fun and its oppressive as fuck facing mages at bot lane I don't like being zone out and hoping that my noob jungler takes advantage of them overextending if they don't well my laning phase is going to be really boring and not very fun. While on the other hand I will dodge before I have to play with a brand that's going to hard push my lane by pillar of flame. People that play that usually aren't doing it to support They're just being another apc and should be useless late game since they have such an oppressive early game.
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Dasdi96 (NA)
: Maybe the marksman class shouldn't always be the "MVP"
> [{quoted}](name=Dasdi96,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1EFPNAQH,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-06-04T03:28:56.685+0000) > > Maybe the marksman class shouldn't always be the "MVP" Mid game doesn't matter who gets the kill but early game don't be a jackass feed your adc. Then maybe you'll eventually get out of bronze.
: > [{quoted}](name=JoeAnarchy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1EFPNAQH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-04T01:30:40.106+0000) > > yes, a team game, but the end goal of the team is to get the highest damage dealer as fed as possible, so they can carry you in the end. > there is a difference between "i want to be the MVP" and "i'm playing the role that actually has Carry in it's freaking name" > its Attack Damage Carry, because it's supposed to carry the team in the late game.. it's literally the point of having one! > otherwise you might as well not even have an ADC, fill the role with another tank or something.. something that won't die as easily and will help to not feed your enemies... > but the meta doesn't run like that, because people want a end game carrier who can help you win quickly.. Even so, the game does not solely revolve around you. It's not all about you. The other four people get to play the game too. If you can't get fed and carry without having all four teammates hold your hand, maybe you should try a different role.
> [{quoted}](name=IcyPepper,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1EFPNAQH,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-04T02:19:28.535+0000) > > Even so, the game does not solely revolve around you. > > It's not all about you. > > The other four people get to play the game too. > > If you can't get fed and carry without having all four teammates hold your hand, maybe you should try a different role. Or maybe you should shut your mouth and know your role. In all seriousness adcs aren't meant to be able to 1 v 1 Shit they are glass cannons that ditch out damage from range. The tradeoff they need items......without them they are useless completely. Where as a vi with zero kills and some assists can still force an objective. This whole mentality of jealousy why can't I carry as a garen or master yi. Look at their kits noticed something they arent designed to be carries. Stop hating on adcs and actually learn how they're played there not just right click to win. Almost every champion in this game is designed to kill them and can easily do so. So play for a victory and trust that your adc is going to carry you. You're not a god and your not the best if you can't manage to do that then maybe you can play adc a few times and see for yourself when you got a team that's more focus on their kda then the victory. And I guaranteed afterwards you'll have a different attitude then the one you got now.
: Mordekaiser rework thoughts.
my only issue with mordekaiser now is his fucking r%%%%%ed ass ult, killed me 3 times with it and took my damn s away I'm curious can u just keep running from him as an adc? or it there a certain limit you can go before you ultimately just die?
: I have won plenty if 4v5's. Winning isnt enough of a motive to make me want to keep playing. I would rather move on to the next game than to continue playing a game that is 98% lost. It is a horrible experience to be forced to play a game I dont want to play with the threat of my account being banned.
Fact is in low level games you know almost certainly that eventually somebody is going to fuck up....I've won games where they got twice as many kills as we do it took one team fight and we win their adc split push and they decided to push mid without their heavy damage dealer and we won lost nobody so we didn't blue pill we push mid took out mid inhibitor tower push to nexus and won the game. We knew if we were going to win that was our chance. So yeah you don't look at the outcome you play the game for fun win or lose you never give up the game isn't over until it's over. And I for one never give up on rank. Anything can happen I honestly think riot should remove the surrender option except for cases of early game dc.
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