Anl0rian (NA)
: > It's a dirty tactic used to unbalance you, and from your post it sounded like it worked. So you admit that it's only intended to tilt and "unbalance". Why BM someone period when you're ahead? Trash talk is toxic, are you serious?
> [{quoted}](name=Anl0rian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1GEm1sLA,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T18:59:26.790+0000) > > So you admit that it's only intended to tilt and "unbalance". Why BM someone period when you're ahead? > > Trash talk is toxic, are you serious? And here we arrive full circle, the closed loop and cycle upon which Riot sets us. What do I mean? I mean this: - In the beginning, there was chaos. - And Riot said, let there be peace. - "All seemed well pleased, all seemed but were not all." [Some people complained that 'trash talk is part of competitive play'] - Riot asserted that "trash talk is allowed" and "there is a difference" between "trash talk" and "toxic behavior". - Flaming became cleverer, disguising itself so as to seem like 'trash talk' or otherwise. "Yet from those flames/ No light, but rather darkness visible." Riot maintains that it is entirely possible to discern 'trash talk' (which, Riot says, is 'in good fun') from toxic behaviors. (There is even a tip to this effect that sometimes displays during the game loading screen). Moderators in PB have reinforced that assertion. But **there are players on both sides of this argument who find Riot's position vexing**: - people who antagonise other players verbally (or people who *enjoy watching* that antagonism, which they call 'trash talk'), with the express purpose of causing a negative experience for their targets *by means other than gameplay*, who dislike being punished for that - people who experience 'trash talk' [whatever that is] as overwhelmingly negative, who recognize that negative social behaviors **propagate and compound** (i.e., permissive rules serve to _encourage_ negative behavior in a population over time, without that behavior having ever been especially prevalent or natural to begin with) *** To be clear, due to its vacuity, I'm generally neutral on this point. I consider Riot's stated position on 'trash talk' basically meaningless, and all arguments over whether something is or isn't 'trash talk' vacant. It's not a court of law, it's Riot; I'm disappointed, **but not surprised**, that the rules are made such that their enforcement is needlessly arbitrary. I'd rather argue whether a specific behavior is or isn't toxic (i.e., negative and propagating-compounding). And although they're far from the perfect arbiter, that's nearly what Riot does already, in the end.
AvaBabii (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=AvaBabii,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=TjwVmV4m,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T21:21:58.403+0000) > > Says the kid that just came home from school so decided to jump on his computer and type another ridiculous response. Don't tell me about the world kid, you probably haven't even left your mothers house yet. You don't know what the rest of the world is llke. Do you not realise what you've just done? I'm honestly asking. If you don't, then you are probably doing it all the time IRL. Being anti-bullying is one thing. But I don't think that's your motivation, as most of your comments in this thread are personal in nature.
: That is why you read the Terms of Use before you agree to them.
> [{quoted}](name=Zombie Gerbil,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mpuv4v0d,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-10T19:59:33.187+0000) > > That is why you read the Terms of Use before you agree to them. Always, *always* read the Terms of Use. The [**whole thing**](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/cH8AqoAp-riots-long-term-plans-to-establish-a-yordle-call-center), in its entirety.
: This is more feedback for Riot: ARAM feels better
IMO, this demonstrates that [quantifiably!] *most* champions should have always had at least one ranged ability. Crazy talk, I know, but don't even worry about arguing against it. The time for testing my crazy ideas came and went a long time ago, and they will probably never again see the discussion of day. (OTOH, is there a trend in newer champions' kits over time?)
: The toxicity of this community astounds me.
What always gets lost in the mix is that the community's behavior is directly tied (albeit in ways that most people will consider obscure) to the design of the game. (**N.b.**, I did not imply *causation*). I'm tired of reading posts about how toxic **the people** are, without any mention of **why that happens to be the case**. By all means, start a dialogue on the complex topic of how the game affects people over time. Otherwise, IMO, this sort of post belongs in [/Rant](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation).
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-04-03T23:12:22.260+0000) > > Tell me: what do I do, **today**, with the 100k+ BE I **currently** possess? Keep it in the bank and let it accrue interest. Seriously, even if you can spend it on the couple of rare cosmetics that will use up that much BE... eventually you will return to this situation. I don't disenchant my champion shards - if I did I then I would have over 200k BE, and I only been playing about 18 months. (I still have 80k "liquid" BE.) I think that actually Riot is secretly working on something new to spend BE on... I think that I did notice some rumors... You might benefit from this liquid loot next season.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2019-04-06T00:39:47.976+0000) > >I don't disenchant my champion shards - if I did I then I would have over 200k BE, and I only been playing about 18 months. (I still have 80k "liquid" BE.) Oh yeah, just forget about champion shards. I have dozens and dozens of those sitting in my inventory, too (because somehow the loop of ***clicking and waiting for the flashing lights to stop so that I can click again*** failed to be a rewarding enough experience, after the BE became meaningless). I also stopped bothering to even *open* champion capsules (including the "glorious" champion capsules), so who knows how many of those are sitting in my inventory. *** > I think that actually Riot is secretly working on something new to spend BE on... I think that I did notice some rumors... You might benefit from this liquid loot next season. If they're paying attention (and have the right people working for them), then that's what they'll do. Certain people will counter, "it's free stuff, stop complaining" (or my favorite, "you know the game didn't even originally have a loot system?"), but that is missing the point. There is a "long-term no-no" in the game's loot system as it stands. It's counterproductive (wrt monetisation) to give players something "for free" if it demands mental fatigue (clicks, animations) without "meaningful payoff". And it may not be green, but, much like [**the big yoshi**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWu5X4jcvv8&t=63), all of this stuff is "just sitting there".
Rioter Comments
AIQ (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T18:22:34.043+0000) > > I just want **a reason to want BE**. It's absolutely useless to me right now. Wait is the BE event not something? Free Chromas/ Icons and even a WW skin + some Gemstones? I'd personally like a conversion of BE to OE. Maybe at a 3rd or 4th of the BE value so 1 OE for every 3 or 4 BE.
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-02T21:42:35.707+0000) > > Wait is the BE event not something? Tell me: what do I do, **today**, with the 100k+ BE I **currently** possess?
: considering the OP doesn't really have a better way to reach a large portion of the playerbase, I'm not sure why he's being picked apart for it... this isn't supposed to be a dead-on representation and was never presented as such what did you expect? He said to take it with a grain of salt...TY OP for the effort
The people who attacked OP are mostly people who don't like the result.
: The 52 looks like a lot, but the sample size is way too small to determine anything.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GJwadhqB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T20:38:45.732+0000) > > the sample size is way too small to determine anything. No, it's not.
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T18:21:26.914+0000) > > That would be easier for me to believe if I had a link to the actual message. Replying a second time to make sure you're notified since it has been a bit. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/x6n9Mb05-my-opinion-regarding-runes-refund?comment=0006 > [{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=x6n9Mb05,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-09-05T20:12:55.211+0000) > > I'm really glad to see this post, because a lot of other boards posts have been a sort of mishmash of feedback about all the other changes (rewards/leveling) and this is a great opportunity for us to focus specifically on the rune rewards. OP has a fair question here, and it's basically this: **We're giving rewards to players for buying runes in the past, but it's not a FULL refund for all runes purchased since the beginning. Why?** While we're not intending to change the reward amounts that we've already announced, I do think we owe you guys a serious explanation, so here it is: > > To understand this you have to understand our business model. We use the money we get from sellings things to make the game better. Giving away IP means we make less money, because it cuts into future sales of champs for RP (and that's a big part of the business model for our game). It's how we get money to reinvest in the game with new features that make the game better for everyone. > > So what we're doing with the rune rewards is giving up a portion of our revenue. Why, then, are we giving back some blue essence for each tier three rune you ever bought? Why not give _nothing_ in exchange for runes, if it hurts revenue? The answer is that we understand that it feels bad to have something you paid for suddenly become free for other people. Given the broader context of how positive the upcoming runes changes are for the game, we think that giving a little something back is the right thing to do for players and for the long-term health of the game. > > The goal with the rewards we've announced is to recognize the time you’ve spent getting Runes and reward you fairly for it, without going overboard and hurting ourselves financially. That's the most straight and honest answer I can give you. While the topic itself was on Runes Reforged. Runes Reforged was still part of the overall BE update so it still applies. This isn't even taking into account how much Riot lied to us about what we would get after the total rework. EDIT: Added the post itself, kept the link.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-01T19:22:48.669+0000) > > Replying a second time to make sure you're notified since it has been a bit. > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/x6n9Mb05-my-opinion-regarding-runes-refund?comment=0006 > > While the topic itself was on Runes Reforged. Runes Reforged was still part of the overall BE update so it still applies. > > This isn't even taking into account how much Riot lied to us about what we would get after the total rework. Sorry for making you dig. Thanks for sourcing :) {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Can we just go back to earning 50-80 Blue Essence after finishing each match?
I just want **a reason to want BE**. It's absolutely useless to me right now.
: > [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T15:28:37.348+0000) > > They can just continue making a bunch of nonsense Prestige skins . Pretty sure there are more oblivious youngsters that would pay for them anyway. Believe it or not, that was one of the reasons they gave for the entire BE rework in the first place. Riot Cactopus said it himself in one of the mega threads on the rework.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iZHUEZaP,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T15:34:22.883+0000) > > Believe it or not, that was one of the reasons they gave for the entire BE rework in the first place. > > Riot Cactopus said it himself in one of the mega threads on the rework. That would be easier for me to believe if I had a link to the actual message.
: I haven't gotten one of their surveys recently but over the years I recall them being a mixed bag. Sometimes they seem spot on and other times they seem more like subtle advertising/persuasion. The one that really sticks out was back when they deleted solo queue and I got a survey asking "Do you like being able to chose your roll and queue with up to five people in ranked?" and then the next week saw a Riot post/article/whatever about how most of the player base liked flex queue, a result I feel quite certain would not have occurred if they had asked about position queueing and flex queue separately.
> [{quoted}](name=Thunder Dreamss,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RasIZpa0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-01T02:47:12.391+0000) > > I haven't gotten one of their surveys recently but over the years I recall them being a mixed bag. Sometimes they seem spot on and other times they seem more like subtle advertising/persuasion. > > The one that really sticks out was back when they deleted solo queue and I got a survey asking "Do you like being able to chose your roll and queue with up to five people in ranked?" and then the next week saw a Riot post/article/whatever about how most of the player base liked flex queue, a result I feel quite certain would not have occurred if they had asked about position queueing and flex queue separately. That's troubling. Even at Riot, internally, that should have been troubling.
: This "woof woof bark" and "meow meow meow" stuff is stupid
wolvius (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=znZiiYzr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T11:05:52.605+0000) > > Either i do not get it because i am missing something.... > > Or it is because i probably would have prefered seeing the woof woof bark or meow meow meow rather than that. > > Still better than seeing flame though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6iD5igrR0
> [{quoted}](name=wolvius,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=znZiiYzr,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T14:35:17.957+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx6iD5igrR0 [You're the man now, dog.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-UmfqFjpl0)
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=0007000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T16:28:33.119+0000) > > Neither. I said: its not a "life philosophy" it's an observation of human behavior.
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=00070001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T17:14:56.549+0000) > > it's an observation of human behavior. But it's not.
: "Ur mom gay" is a commonly known meme/joke; don't take it personally
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EczKINpy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-01T16:41:43.743+0000) > > "Ur mom gay" is a commonly known meme/joke; don't take it personally Doesn't matter.
: When should I switch from casual to Ranked?
Never. It's a needless headache. At best it is a less fun version of something that is only fun sometimes (but which has a high addictive potential).
Kamille W (EUW)
: ur mom is gay
> [{quoted}](name=Kamille W,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EczKINpy,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-01T16:35:25.943+0000) > > I asked him politely, "why the fuck are you doing baron when their whole team is alive?" You have a definition of politeness that is alternative to mine.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >It must not have hurt that bad if you are still here with us. What a charming person this is... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=a0hRw4Rp,comment-id=0006000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-01T10:56:01.111+0000) > > What a charming person this is... > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} lol, right? "You didn't die, so hey, it's okay! What doesn't kill you..."
: Why does Riot believe in "hate speech"?
Many of OP's comments in this thread are the result of wishful thinking (and other self-deceptive patterns of thought) combined with casuistic arguments made by others elsewhere (which OP might not have fallen under the spell of, were it not for the self-deception which almost every human is capable of). Blame the whole heritage of such arguments.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=000700010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-01T02:20:12.960+0000) > > _**--Removed--**_ Neither. I said: > Belief in this er, "life philosophy" is largely down to upbringing, but in practice it doesn't work in humanity's favor.
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=000700010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T21:30:23.322+0000) > > Right, and I'm saying that's not generally true (or even comprehensible, really, since "soft" and "hard" don't mean anything precise when used to describe human behavior). > > Neither did I, though. "but in practice it doesn't work in humanity's favor"
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=0007000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T21:47:36.061+0000) > > "but in practice it doesn't work in humanity's favor" "In practice" ~ "in actuality" ~ "in reality". I.e., as opposed to "in theory."
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T16:51:22.271+0000) > > At least as much as whatever you felt qualified you to do so earlier. After rereading your comment, you're clearly confused about I was talking about because I spoke of no such "practice" that would be good for humanity. I was just describing my observation of how ppl are soft until life hardens them. So what were you talking about exactly?
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=00070001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T21:01:11.212+0000) > > I was just describing my observation of how ppl are soft until life hardens them. Right, and I'm saying that's not generally true (or even comprehensible, really, since "soft" and "hard" don't mean anything precise when used to describe human behavior). > I spoke of no such "practice" Neither did I, though.
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2019-03-31T03:39:10.674+0000) > > I'm sure this _seems_ reasonable to you, but it's just not supported by the evidence. Belief in this er, "life philosophy" is largely down to upbringing, but in practice it doesn't work in humanity's favor. I would love to know what qualifies you to speak so confidently in humanity's behalf
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=000700010000,timestamp=2019-03-31T07:20:16.769+0000) > > I would love to know what qualifies you to speak so confidently in humanity's behalf At least as much as whatever you felt qualified you to do so earlier.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mother Sorakaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8PALdJT0,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-03-29T02:02:39.569+0000) > > I've been talking about the Riot's system isn't working properly since long time ago. > > Thus, I have a another accounat and had a 14 days ban cause I talked **korean in English.** > > It happened like Last week and I had to get some info from Korea server and prove to NA server. > As I requested previously, I submitted the 1:1 request on Korea server about "getting banned for no reason/by using another language" as same as I requested from NA server team. > > As I got the answer back from KOREA GM, > They tried to solve the problem since I didn't use any single of abuse nor brutal word, > but they have different systems between Korea and NA server. > > Con: I got revenge by the enemy team by the answering back on Karthus's negative attitude + asking us to kill ourselves. > Please punish those kind of players who those report for revenge; not players like as me. > > Game 1 > Pre-Game > diddlestickkk: 머야 > diddlestickkk: 물한잔 마실수없는 시간이네 > diddlestickkk: 녜{ㅖㅇㅇㅇ > diddlestickkk: 재밌어여 > diddlestickkk: ㅇㅇ > diddlestickkk: 디들스틱 여자 > diddlestickkk: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ > diddlestickkk: 이름이 여자스럽지않음 > diddlestickkk: ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ > diddlestickkk: 저 > diddlestickkk: 그럼 > diddlestickkk: 저기갈게요 > diddlestickkk: 그거머지 > diddlestickkk: 정글 > diddlestickkk: 아니여 > diddlestickkk: 지금 한국에서 > diddlestickkk: 캐나다에서 졸업해서 한국와서 > diddlestickkk: 디들스틱중 > diddlestickkk: ㅌㅋ > In-Game > diddlestickkk: type eul mot ham.. > diddlestickkk: naeeeeeng > diddlestickkk: no gg > diddlestickkk: ya > diddlestickkk: darius > diddlestickkk: ya > diddlestickkk: LOL > diddlestickkk: naisu > diddlestickkk: 4 > diddlestickkk: ripi > diddlestickkk: getting their red > diddlestickkk: blue > diddlestickkk: injeong > diddlestickkk: nicsu > diddlestickkk: oh toxic > diddlestickkk: how toxic r u > diddlestickkk: ganking man dol gae yo > diddlestickkk: kkkkkkkkk > diddlestickkk: oo in jeong > diddlestickkk: naisu > diddlestickkk: i jst realized > diddlestickkk: blue > diddlestickkk: no > diddlestickkk: blue > diddlestickkk: gone > diddlestickkk: bye bye > diddlestickkk: gonna get that bt > diddlestickkk: score > diddlestickkk: jji bal rim > diddlestickkk: D: > diddlestickkk: ji ri go gap ni da > diddlestickkk: ? > diddlestickkk: LMAO > diddlestickkk: can u talk properly? > diddlestickkk: r u talking abt urself karth? > diddlestickkk: LOLL > diddlestickkk: injeong > diddlestickkk: kimchimandoo was taken > diddlestickkk: LMAO > diddlestickkk: that %%%% san > diddlestickkk: name > diddlestickkk: gimochi > diddlestickkk: %%%% san power > diddlestickkk: kkong don > diddlestickkk: red > diddlestickkk: zed > diddlestickkk: nim > diddlestickkk: gg > diddlestickkk: gogo > diddlestickkk: be more toxic bb > diddlestickkk: kkabiyo > diddlestickkk: lux nim > diddlestickkk: blue > diddlestickkk: noino > diddlestickkk: meok > diddlestickkk: take it > diddlestickkk: sadljflasdjkflaksdj > diddlestickkk: aoisutasudrfoasifu > diddlestickkk: oo > diddlestickkk: lux > diddlestickkk: udyr dol byeon > diddlestickkk: next blue urs > diddlestickkk: LOL > diddlestickkk: xD > diddlestickkk: cooltime > diddlestickkk: 00 > Post-Game > diddlestickkk: 국산파워 > diddlestickkk: ggezpz As I got a feedback from NA sever team, I used slur(w/e) on here: **> diddlestickkk: that %%%% san > diddlestickkk: name > diddlestickkk: gimochi > diddlestickkk: %%%% san power ** _I HAD TO EXPLAIN SINGLE OF WORDS AND SENTENCES THAT ARE NOT SLANGS_but they literally ignored on my little info for fix their system on PB As I already mentioned that i was in 5 queue with Korean members; we were talking about our own nicknames that are written in Korean pronunciation by using voice + typing ; (some people->include me) had no mic that could communicate with our members. The one of our member's nick name is Gogimandoo and that means "meat dumpling" that is written in Korean pronunciation and we were talking and laughing on each other's nickname in NA &Korean server that we have. diddlestickkk: that %%%% san diddlestickkk: name = That Korean nick name diddlestickkk: gimochi =kimochi (It means Feels good that i written in Korean pronunciation) diddlestickkk: %%%% san power = It means Korean Power Please give us few freedom to each others to chat in korean pronnciation since it give us a big sense of nostalgia who was graduated in NA.
> [{quoted}](name=Mother Sorakaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8PALdJT0,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-03-29T02:06:40.552+0000) > > As I got a feedback from NA sever team, > I used slur(w/e) on here: > **> diddlestickkk: that %%%% san > > > _I HAD TO EXPLAIN SINGLE OF WORDS AND SENTENCES THAT ARE NOT SLANGS_but they literally ignored on my little info for fix their system on PB > > As I already mentioned that i was in 5 queue with Korean members; > we were talking about our own nicknames that are written in Korean pronunciation by using voice + typing ; (some people->include me) had no mic that could communicate with our members. > > The one of our member's nick name is Gogimandoo and that means "meat dumpling" that is written in Korean pronunciation and we were talking and laughing on each other's nickname in NA &Korean server that we have. > > diddlestickkk: that %%%% san > diddlestickkk: name > = That Korean nick name > > diddlestickkk: gimochi > =kimochi (It means Feels good that i written in Korean pronunciation) > > diddlestickkk: %%%% san power > = It means Korean Power > > Please give us few freedom to each others to chat in korean pronnciation since > it give us a big sense of nostalgia who was graduated in NA. lol. I think you're making some mistakes in what you say/don't say to people, but at this point I don't know how to make sense of your case without taking some extra time to read about how Riot handles things on Korea server. I'm curious to hear how it plays out, keep us updated if anything changes.
: yea if you remove the human ego from the equation, people would laugh off criticism, learn from it, and keep playing to win. Unfortunately the ego is inseparable from the human psyche because it was a necessity that aided in our survival in our ancestral environment. Long story short humans in general are a bunch of soft, squishy, whiny fucking babies, until they're lucky enough to have the right life experiences smack it out of them. Even then it's not fully gone. The right choice is to say nothing. You'd think riot would be smart enough to just remove chat from the game, as it does more harm than good, or at least reserve it for high elo, but then they wouldn't have an excuse to rob you of everything you earned so you can buy it back on your new account! :) $$$$$$$
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jRT9auiF,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-03-28T19:39:07.652+0000) > > Long story short humans in general are a bunch of soft, squishy, whiny fucking babies, until they're lucky enough to have the right life experiences smack it out of them. Even then it's not fully gone. I'm sure this _seems_ reasonable to you, but it's just not supported by the evidence. Belief in this er, "life philosophy" is largely down to upbringing, but in practice it doesn't work in humanity's favor.
: > [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=wpAvpYXM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-03-22T01:31:45.285+0000) > (\*Personal definition of "a long game" in LoL: anything beyond 25 minutes, Sounds pretty cut & dry you think late game is less than a half hour. Any veteran can tell you that's when mid game used to be. We came here for a team based strategy game, not a 3rd person reaction test; that's why the game is going downhill, drastically shifted game design philosophy for a system that wasn't made for it.
> [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=Ag8jgd8Q,discussion-id=wpAvpYXM,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:29:04.250+0000) > > Sounds pretty cut & dry you think late game is less than a half hour. Any veteran can tell you that's when mid game used to be. You say that as if I didn't already know that. What's your point? > We came here for a team based strategy game, not a 3rd person reaction test; I ask again: what's your point? > that's why the game is going downhill, drastically shifted game design philosophy for a system that wasn't made for it. Not at all.
Eedat (NA)
: Holy fuck dude the entire rational in the OP for the change is so you can save screenshots to report people for being toxic in DMs. ***The ENTIRE RATIONAL being discussed.*** It is literally the sole reason he lists for the change. People point out this is pointless because toxic DMs are not punished by riot so therefore his argument is completely moot. People point out the rationale of DMs not being punished. In what fucking world do you think addressing the complete and total rationale of the post being discussed is nOt ReLeVeNt. I'm being trolled. You absolutely have to be a troll
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tNJ7iYhA,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-24T01:13:05.166+0000) > > Holy fuck dude the entire rational in the OP for the change is so you can save screenshots to report people for being toxic in DMs. ***The ENTIRE RATIONAL being discussed.*** It is literally the sole reason he lists for the change. People point out this is pointless because toxic DMs are not punished by riot so therefore his argument is completely moot. People point out the rationale of DMs not being punished. > > In what fucking world do you think addressing the complete and total rationale of the post being discussed is nOt ReLeVeNt. > > I'm being trolled. You absolutely have to be a troll Not at all. You need to do what I said: scroll back to the part where that's not even an issue. And btw, be civil.
dnsup (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SharkAteMyLunch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EIpeBe7o,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-30T18:17:54.718+0000) > > after 'angry' insert a disorder that gets commonly joked around which also starts with the letter 'a' Alcoholics?
> [{quoted}](name=dnsup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EIpeBe7o,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2019-03-30T18:49:43.865+0000) > > Alcoholics? Nvm it's gotta be ANGRY BEAVERS
TheFortex (EUNE)
: telling people to stop thinking they are so smart and know why LoL is dying (Including me)
> [{quoted}](name=TheFortex,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R4MwZghW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-30T19:10:02.958+0000) > > telling people to stop thinking they are so smart and know why LoL is dying (Including me) ... ??
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EIpeBe7o,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-30T17:42:50.798+0000) > > Well shit, now I’m incredibly curious what the title was. after 'angry' insert a disorder that gets commonly joked around which also starts with the letter 'a'
> [{quoted}](name=SharkAteMyLunch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EIpeBe7o,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-30T18:17:54.718+0000) > > after 'angry' insert a disorder that gets commonly joked around which also starts with the letter 'a' Alcoholics?
: Oh neat, I made it on some random person's collage. There are lines, and sometimes those lines get crossed. Report if you feel a comment crossed a line. Yes, I have seen some of the comments that should probably be removed that are more taunting to the punished player. I also come across some posts that debatably don't need to exist either; on both "sides". Context makes a difference and the mods can't always know what we meant. Example: Someone called me a smartass before and this was my response. >I rather be a smartass than a dumbass. It was removed because they read it as me calling the person a dumbass.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4V9t4ulf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-29T03:10:50.128+0000) > > It was removed because they read it as me calling the person a dumbass. Sometimes they're overzealous in choosing one interpretation over another. Benign statements about a historical record (i.e., asserting a simple fact, such as "the Social War of 91 BCE resulted from X, Y, and Z," [with the recorded causes of conflict replacing XYZ]) are sometimes removed under the rule against politics.
KDA Umbra (EUW)
: Regaining your honour is a tedious process, so it might take a while before you reach higher honour standings. > i'm doing good just muting everyone at the start of every game Allegedly, you can get a small boost to your honour just by being nice and displaying positive behavioural patterns. It expedites the process ever so slightly. That's why I recommend utilizing the chat and leaning towards the more positive side, rather than being neutral (muting and not talking). > wondering why is there no progress bar for honor Among many reasons, the most prominent one pertains to preventing people from grinding honour, which would completely defeat the purpose of being an honourable player.
> [{quoted}](name=KDA Umbra,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ItBvwZIM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-29T16:32:07.992+0000) > > Among many reasons, the most prominent one pertains to preventing people from grinding honour, which would completely defeat the purpose of being an honourable player. Right. Something something beside the point something something its own reward. Like Zen practice (or something).
Naramiel (NA)
: I'm honestly surprised by the enthusiasm people here have for DMs being an "everything goes" wasteland. Yes, you can unfriend someone at any time if they start spewing racist bile or whatever. You can also mute someone in-game at any time, and that's never been an accepted argument for making chat unpunishable.
> [{quoted}](name=Naramiel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tNJ7iYhA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-24T01:18:11.971+0000) > > I'm honestly surprised by the enthusiasm people here have for DMs being an "everything goes" wasteland. Yes, you can unfriend someone at any time if they start spewing racist bile or whatever. You can also mute someone in-game at any time, and that's never been an accepted argument for making chat unpunishable. Great point.
: Man, I'm so dissapointed in certain players.
It sounds like you were haranguing your jungler with comments about how he should have been playing _according to you_. Generally speaking, unsolicited advice offends people more often than it helps them. Moreover, once you've given unsolicited advice, if the situation fails to improve or worsens, - **you** will be more likely to label it the fault of the person to whom you were offering advice, but - it will be **equally plausible** that the negative outcome resulted from the negative interaction initiated by **you**. Test the waters next time. Let people play the game, and don't try to play it for them.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Yeah, I think most people would consider that toxic behavior. It shows that you're giving up and aren't trying your hardest which is never acceptable. Honestly, saying it and doing it are two different things. If you're trying but saying something like "I don't know if we can win this" then it's probably fine. You're not going to get punished for that. Just stay positive and focus on the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=V9lEO0uq,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-29T20:09:24.448+0000) > > Yeah, I think most people would consider that toxic behavior. It shows that you're giving up and aren't trying your hardest which is never acceptable. I strongly disagree. It doesn't show that you're giving up, it shows that you're thinking about your team's chances of winning.
: No, its not toxic by itself. Arguements around it and how you respond might get toxic very quickly.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=V9lEO0uq,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-03-29T21:51:40.882+0000) > > No, its not toxic by itself. Arguements around it and how you respond might get toxic very quickly. This is a good answer.
: That's the thing. If you are 4 manned the whole first 15 minutes of the game and your jungle/bot have lost the first 15 minutes, and you say, ONE TIME, "We are going to lose", or, "We can't win this," I myself do not consider this toxic behavior, especially if you are analyzing the current game and you understand what it takes to win. I agree, it is not the best thing to say, but that's the WONDERFUL thing about LoL, you can't type an essay explaining why you think the team will lose the game, because then a multitude of things can happen - example you will be banned for spamming, etc, and your team will think you are spending more time typing than playing. I have played this game since season 1. Do you know what I have found out? 9/10 games will have someone in it, who is doing lackluster and not their best, and will speak out about it. It's called being human. What I think is a bigger problem, is when a neutral comment is made, and it is interpreted another way by another person of a different INTELLIGENCE level. And there it is, the elephant in the room, yes, intelligence, comprehension, critical thinking and problem solving. All go hand in hand when analyzing something and making an educated guess. If my team was overwhelmed by the enemy team, and we were all in unanimous agreement that the other team obviously was more coordinated, and accepted that we may not win, is that not MORE constructive than arguing with the person having a bad game and making things worse? Just some thoughts from a long time LoL player.
> [{quoted}](name=King of Zion,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=V9lEO0uq,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-29T21:51:59.048+0000) > > That's the thing. > > What I think is a bigger problem, is when a neutral comment is made, and it is interpreted another way by another person of a different INTELLIGENCE level. And there it is, the elephant in the room, yes, intelligence, comprehension, critical thinking and problem solving. All go hand in hand when analyzing something and making an educated guess. I wouldn't probably use the words "intelligence level" to label what you're talking about. A person can be plenty intelligent and simply lack experience with the game. Such a person might not recognise a losing situation - particularly one where predictability or other factors prevent **you** from "enjoying the loss". (I emphasize _you_ because the inexperienced person of average intelligence might still enjoy it, at least until they learn to recognize it). But obviously, yes, evaluating the circumstances is a kind of problem-solving activity. As for _recognizing that a /ff vote isn't negative_, and as for _recognizing that statements of expectation aren't negative_ - that's down to context, individual factors, and, well, something like "herd mentality". And none of those correlate [reliably and neatly](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2015.05.004) with intelligence in a general way. So probably certain problem-solving skills and cognitive abilities/capacities are involved, but clearly experience and maturity have roles to play. *** OTOH I don't know how many times I've seen someone actually try to label a teammate "coward" just because that teammate voted for surrender. Like, come on, guys: it's a computer game - there's no bravery or cowardice involved. It's a [children's computer game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRoJQy2dO5I&t=395). Just a computer game.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: the game has been said to be "dying" since season 3 Opera deaths have much to learn
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EbGo4NNT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-28T14:09:03.816+0000) > > Opera deaths have much to learn Still not as much as opera singers.
FF or QQ (NA)
: Annual Reminder
> [{quoted}](name=FF or QQ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4i5Fv86O,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-28T18:28:13.584+0000) > > We forgot the level of maturity adults used to have on average. Maybe its due to the privileged lives we live. "We" forgot something _other people_ "used to have on average"? Things are more complex than that.
: 9 years account got the first permaban by negative behavior teammates
**Caveat**: I've seen previous comments to this post about OP's having just come off of a 14-day ban, but I _haven't_ looked at anything else related to OP's history. I don't know _all_ of the relevant details; only the ones discussed here. *** I almost never side with anyone who posts to /PB saying "I think my case deserves a second look, and I would like another chance." However, I can identify a number of extenuating circumstances in this case - i.e., reasons why Riot's system is _not quite working as intended_ here. Note that when it comes to a mostly-automated process, "working as intended" is not quite the same as "working the way it is expected to work"; we're discussing the result of a computer program and a set of customer service procedures, not the outcome of a hearing. It's also one of the only times (maybe _the_ only time) I've seriously questioned the wisdom of the current system. In particular, other users are right to point out that the infraction that resulted in OP's permaban was **incredibly light**. I'm not sure most players could even _recognise_ it, if they were asked to point it out. And that being the case, I wonder whether it's fair to issue a permaban on the grounds that they've already had their 14-day ban. *** I want to add that although **it shouldn't affect the case at all**, nine years is a long time, and it's pretty unfortunate if OP doesn't get to use their account anymore. (Even if that fact _could_ the case, it would be hard to decide _how_; acclimation to the way things used to be, expected familiarity with the rules, etc. muddle the situation.)
FF or QQ (NA)
: This post prob wont make sense
Here is the problem, essentially: - You don't see anything the way that other people see it (simply true, period). - **Other people** think **everyone** ***should be*** entitled to play the game with **no** toxic behavior. - **You** think **other people** ***should not*** be allowed to say what constitutes "toxic behavior". In particular, you are willing to identify _some_ behaviors as toxic - nevermind the question of whether the community agrees on those - but **not** if it's anything you've ever gotten in trouble for.
: listen, everything is about money. He makes riot and twitch crap tons of money in advertising, it's really that simple. It's the same reason why the discipline system sucks and won't be fixed. It's not designed to be fair, it's designed to make money. Everything started going downhill as soon as riot was sold and not run by the original creators. Same thing happens to almost every successful company.
> [{quoted}](name=WarmAndCrispy,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=51x2E9tp,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-27T22:09:05.063+0000) > > Everything started going downhill as soon as riot was sold and not run by the original creators. Same thing happens to almost every successful company. The problem with something corporate that is too long-established: at some point, the insights [in a general sense] that once drove its success need to be "regenerated". Eventually, the people who originally generated them aren't in leadership (if they ever were) or even involved anymore. Meanwhile, the leaders who _are_ there have no ability to recognize the form the new insights will take - they're still on the lookout for anything that superficially resembles the old insights. So anyone capable of generating them is going to see their ideas held at arms' length - and the more people there are on the outside who care, the harder it is for the new insights to overcome that distance. Obviously, LoL players give the game a lot of their attention, so whatever the "right ideas" are, they sound just like noise to anyone at Riot.
Jo0o (NA)
: I’d be genuinely surprised to find that he wasn’t reported for flaming throughout low ELOs, unless we’re operating under the assumption that OP is lying.
> [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=51x2E9tp,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-27T19:38:02.656+0000) > > I’d be genuinely surprised to find that he wasn’t reported for flaming throughout low ELOs, unless we’re operating under the assumption that OP is lying. Didn't you know? If someone who hates the PB systems doesn't believe you, it means you're definitely wrong - even if you have pics.
Corvin0716 (EUNE)
: I do not get it why people tend to behave like addicts. You are not forced to play I guess. When you feel frustrated do not start an other game! Playing while frustrated to get even more frustrated is just stupid. Games are for fun. If you feel the temptation to play then play, when you feel frustrated then do not play. It is that simple. There is more option than "keep playing no matter what" or "delete the game".
> [{quoted}](name=Corvin0716,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5YEEi7iB,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-27T09:24:41.159+0000) > > I do not get it why people tend to behave like addicts. 1. Notice that you're saying that OP is **behaving like an addict** - if this were a clinical setting and a doctor said that, we would say _OP is suffering from addiction_; if this were a family member and you said something like that, you might _consider telling OP that you think they have an addiction_. 2. Notice that you started with "I do not get it why..." - there's an easy explanation for that: **you're not an addict**. The only way to know why someone does something is to be them, in the moment they do that thing. The best you can do otherwise is to extrapolate from your own experience, but as you just pointed out, **you** (particularly) **can't** (otherwise you'd "get it"). > You are not forced to play I guess. [...] If you feel the temptation to play then play, when you feel frustrated then do not play. It is that simple. That's just not how addiction works. Otherwise we wouldn't have to restrict the production and sale of drugs. People never _choose_ to become addicted; people also never choose to _remain_ addicted (since most addicts have severely reduced quality of life, there is no rational or emotional appeal to addiction). If OP is showing signs of addiction - such as an inability to make the decision they _want_ to make, for the sake of their noticably suffering ***HEALTH*** - their best option is to aim to quit.
Eedat (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tNJ7iYhA,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-24T00:29:44.878+0000) > > All you've done its say nOt ReLeVeNt NoT rElEvEnT. And I wouldn't have had to, the last several times, if you had gone back and recognized it **at the beginning**, where you started making assumptions about the situation that **aren't relevant to the general one under discussion**. Literally nothing you've said is an argument against OP, **as I've said already**. > A literal arguement by dismissal fallacy attempt Not in the least. And you don't **attempt** a fallacy, it's there or it isn't (and in this case, it's not).
Eedat (NA)
: > As I already pointed out, that's not the general situation. _**Yes. Yes it is. It covers literally every single situation where someone DMs you in the LoL client. You have, at all times, the absolute power to completely and permanently stop them from DMing you instantly at zero cost to yourself. Period.**_
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tNJ7iYhA,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-24T00:16:50.344+0000) > > _**Yes. Yes it is. It covers literally every single situation where someone DMs you in the LoL client. You have, at all time, the absolute power to completely and permanently stop them from DMing you at zero cost to yourself. Period.**_ _**No. No, it's not. Bolding and italicising a comment doesn't change the argument, any more than dialing a wrong number harder the second time makes it the right number.**_
: Yeah, any results from this should be taken with a grain of salt. So far, I have gotten 67 responses. Obviously this is completely representative of the millions of players. {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fUkMhOoE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-23T11:35:48.145+0000) > > Yeah, any results from this should be taken with a grain of salt. So far, I have gotten 67 responses. Obviously this is completely representative of the millions of players. > > {{sticker:sg-lulu}} Eh, you might be misunderstanding the role of sample size in producing a statistic; but (as you seem to be aware), there are stronger influences (bias) to account, here, first.
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