: Master {{champion:35}} Main here, just wanted to ask if you have something planned for him (other than the Pink Ward changes)
: Item Shop Cleanup
Yes! Remove {{item:3147}} once and for all. This item is the root of all problems for many assassins, mostly causing nerfs on the champions then nerfs on the item (Good ole' Riot special). It was insane how many assassins back in 2017 when the item got changed also got big changes, mostly being nerfs. Sure you can argue that in early season 2018 it got nerfed but Riot were compensating the champions affected, that's of course a great thing, but it doesn't resolve the problem duskblade has. The item is just overpowered in many ways to put. Has damage just by being in Fog of war, you literally can see on your hotbar if you are seen or not by the enemy even when duskblade is down, and the fact you have insane vision control being able to kill a ward in a single hit allows for multiple wards to be killed in the vicinity. This is just my personal opinion, I think the item will never be balanced and should be removed as it certainly hurt more champions than it helped. Thanks for any upvotes, or any downvotes! {{champion:35}}
: Summoner's Rift balance changes coming Patch 9.8
How bout you revert shaco for a patch since most shaco mains would atleast appreciate a day without wanting to die. :)
: They nerfed several champions. They nerfed Keystones. They nerfed Ignite, the main offender. They have nerfed items, especially assassin items and Oblivion Orb. Stop crying that somebody with several items will delete a squishy. That's how it has always been and how it should be.
> [{quoted}](name=Snake of Avarice,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Be2Zd9E0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-02T17:03:16.887+0000) > > They nerfed several champions. > They nerfed Keystones. > They nerfed Ignite, the main offender. > They have nerfed items, especially assassin items and Oblivion Orb. > > Stop crying that somebody with several items will delete a squishy. That's how it has always been and how it should be. I love how you're getting downvoted even though you're practically right in what you said. I guess boards will be boards.
: Yeah, this is completely normal..
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: Yeah tbh his jump could use some speed nerfs. When he comes from stealth you don't have any relevant time to react while he's flying at you. It can be seen greatly when you're playing something like Gragas, i can usually cancel stuff like Lee Q2, Fiora Q, Zac E, LeBlanc W or Fizz Q, but Rengar jump from stealth is just too fast for me.
Reav3 (NA)
: Hmm I forgot Shaco and Udyr, they are for sure on that list
So Shaco is OFFICIALLY on the VGU list? Cause there have been a few times where I'd see him on it and then a week later he's not on it anymore. Are you guys going to be planning anything major for him or a minor rework like minor visuals and possible gameplay changes? I'd really appreciate any response in advance! Cheers! {{champion:35}}
: I think Items also contribute to a lot of this... {{item:3078}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3095}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}}
: Good thing its on the pbe, where they fix this stuff? Like.. you can't be mad they're testing this stuff lol. Obviously 73% max hp damage wont make it to live. Pbe is for testing, things are meant to be broken. Put the pitchforks down.
I mean, the Galio buff back in S7 made it to live so... I don't know about this one chief.
: Yo! Caught up with my good friend Riot Ranger XIV (who is helping me with LeBlanc stuff!) I'm gonna sync with him in person next week and hammer out a game plan to tackle knife cat, too! (:
Please bring back the old leap sounds, it would be the best change you guys could do along with the others. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Bring back the old leap sounds!
Rioter Comments
Infernape (EUW)
: Laughs in Ornn and Sejuani. At least shaco is playable.
Play Shaco for about 10-20 games and tell me his damage feels good, I'd cry of laughter from hearing that. Otherwise, we aren't talking about Ornn or Sej, they both have their own issues which hopefully get fixed soon. Shaco has felt like really bad to play as and against, regardless of his win rate. Playing him feels like you're just held back and behind all game unless you are like 15/0 by like 10 minutes. Again I'm not disregarding Ornn or Sejuani they really should be looked at and fixed, but that's where Shaco should be aswell. Having a champion maintain a pretty substantial win rate yet feels so unsatisfying and unfun to play as, and against, is really bad.
: Unpopular Opinion: Revert Malzahar
I want old {{champion:35}} too but it ain't happening unfortunately. sad days
: If this is right so i can say good bye league of legends <3
Everyone forgets about {{champion:35}} ... *sigh*
: Are you looking for balance ? I found it !
Rioter Comments
: This is Season 8...
I wish Riot would actually fix things not change shit for the shits and giggles. Like last year with the duskblade changes, WHY is my question? What purpose was it to put this absurdly broken passive in the game? Oh and let's not forget the Galio change in September last year, where a single fucking Q would one-shot you. It's just so un-fun to play anymore, they keep changing shit for the worse rather than fixing things that need fixing. I apologize if this comes off as a rant, but it's more of a cry for help for Riot to open their eyes and fix problems in the current state of the game.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 15
Hey Meddler! Are there going to be possible changes in the near future for {{champion:35}} ? Since on Riot August's stream, he mentioned that he may look into Shaco in the near future to change/ possibly revert him to pre assassin update state. Is this still true? Will there be anything from August, or is it still being planned out?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Are there going to be any possible changes to Shaco? As August mentioned on stream he wants to possibly change him but said no current plans are available. Is this going to change, or will there be no change in the future?
: > [{quoted}](name=nasaL,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2z9cKkra,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2018-06-06T12:19:59.847+0000) > > I am in support of changing Shaco but your suggestions are LITERALLY asking for buffs... We don’t need buffs we need change even if it means nerfs. This comment is basically telling others all we want are buffs which isn’t true. We want change to our jester to make him fun for us and not as unfair to play against for the opponents. Ur a crier holy fk
Not really, I just want change for my champ to be fun again not more buffs. :)
: Suggested changes : 1. NERF THE SHIT OUT OF THIS CANCEROUS BRAINDEAD ONESHOTTING BULLSHIT WITH STEALTH, not camouflage, STEALTH.
Blame duskblade friend not shaco, without duskblade shaco would be useless. :)
: shaco is weak as fk, even my poop can do more damage to enemy players than shaco trust me
lol but please read the post and respond in a better manner.
: Listen up kiddies, I will literally unwind time and space itself if you guys screw up Shaco more than you already have. Nothing makes me want to int IRL more than a bunch of beta Rioters messing with my perfection. Let me lay it down for you cucks. Shaco is the most **alpha ** champion on the rift, so all you kids making "big plays" one shotting noobs with Pyke best back down. Let's talk about a champion whose passive is _literally buttsex_. Let's talk about the clown. * You can build AD * You can build crit * You can build AP * You can build spellvamp Who gives a crap. Shaco doesn't _need _ items to take you to pound town. Shaco doesn't care. So what do you say Riot? Are you done clowning around? Let's make this happen. * Buff passive * Buff Q * Buff W * Buff E * Buff ult Free my boy Shaco. _Source: am Pink Ward_
I am in support of changing Shaco but your suggestions are LITERALLY asking for buffs... We don’t need buffs we need change even if it means nerfs. This comment is basically telling others all we want are buffs which isn’t true. We want change to our jester to make him fun for us and not as unfair to play against for the opponents.
: [MEGATHREAD] Let's Discuss: Shaco
* "What is your criticism of the current state of Shaco?" Currently Shaco does really well as AD Shaco and not as much as AP at all. Shaco used to be the champ where you can ask yourself "Do I wanna go AD? Bruiser? Tank? DPS? Crit? AP? etc..?", now all he is, is "Welp, better build duskblade". How is this fun? How is being able to purchase ONE ITEM and then boom all the sudden you are a one shot bot champion. Let alone that, he even scales into the late game, making that oneshot even quicker! This of course isn't fun for the opponents, having to have red trinket ({{item:3364}}) up half the game for one champion to not one shot you isn't fair nor fun. But the question doesn't get asked, is that Shaco having fun also? For me, that's a no and many others agree. I personally dislike the fact all of Shaco's burst comes from only on-hit items like Duskblade and Trinity Force,etc. This isn't fun whatsoever, before the rework Shaco was an early to mid game dominant champion, who didn't need to rely on on-hit items like those mentioned. And primarily I think it is Riot's fault for making not only Shaco, but other assassins the same, relying on Duskblade rush first item just for that free damage just isn't healthy. * "What do you want Shaco’s gameplay fantasy to be?" I want him to be the trickster he always was. The sneaky assassin trickster, that was always so slippery and could find his way out of tough situations. * "What changes would you suggest to Shaco?" Personally, changing him to his pre-rework state would make me and others profoundly happy, but a partial revert may be acceptable. And to those commenting saying "Oh it's just the Shaco mains who want more buffs when their champ is 52-53% winrate blah blah blah...", THATS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING. I don't want Shaco to be buffed more, I just want to have game and mid game as Shaco's core like before. This current one isn't fun to play as nor against, and even if Riot decided to give us a nerfed version of old Shaco, I'll take it. I just can't seem to understand some people, where people also hate Rengar & LeBlanc but when they got their reverts, no one complained and they are balanced. Why can't this also be to our jester as well, after all we aren't asking for buffs, we're asking for our fun back. Instead of hating, consider that all of us just want our fun old jester back. :) {{champion:35}}
Eedat (NA)
: Hmmmmm invaded by the Shaco sub again I'm guessing. No point in trying to have an actual discussion. This is just a circlejerk for Shaco buffs that he doesnt need at all period. Just gonna ignore this thread like all the other times the Shaco sub came here to circlejerk
What? This has nothing to do with the Shaco sub... Plus we are asking for our fun back, even if it means hes weaker.
Riot Jag (NA)
: What Do I Build On Kai’Sa?
Help us please Jag you're our only hope for change. {{champion:35}} {{item:3070}}
: [It's funny you rounded the 2.88 playrate down to 2 and not 3. ](http://www.op.gg/champion/shaco/statistics/jungle)
It's funny you completely ignored the tilde(~) which means around/near to. :D
: 53% winrate champ, needs buffs according to shaco mains
~2% pickrate, meaning mainly one tricks are picking him, try picking Shaco up and tell me he feels strong to you :D
: > [{quoted}](name=Torturer4749,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=X3P0v1Vh,comment-id=00af0000,timestamp=2018-02-25T08:10:43.732+0000) > > &quot;i do agree shaco needs a nerf as of right now&quot; https://gyazo.com/17a6ac9c103868002ecb2ba7b7770ae0 You're gold lol i just use this account to post on the forums, haven't used that acc for over 2 years now. As a 3 year shaco player he feels alot stronger than what he used to be. You're using "haha u bronze" as an excuse? Gold is just as bad... Anyway why would i want to nerf my own main champion other than having an UNBIASED opinion on him that he is legit on the strong side atm? Not gonna bother linking you my main account but its way better than your gold. You didn't even bother looking at the champs did you? See any twitch or jhin? yea. Figures. edit: ah fk i sound like a pretentious shit. Whatever ill take the downvotes here i dont normally sound this upstuck sorry.
"Not gonna bother linking you my main account but its way better than your gold." Then your argument is invalid, you can't say I have proof of something without showing the proof, it's like saying I have 3 accounts in high Diamond but you wont say the accounts name's.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 23
Once again, Shaco is left out of the compensation buffs he needs. Thanks Riot, thanks for forgetting my favorite champ and a part reason of why this game is relevant to me and probably many others. I hate this.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 21
Are there going to be any changes to Shaco any time soon? I really would appreciate a response, I just don't want my main to go back to bruiser after the duskblade nerfs come through in 8.5.
: There is no duskblade nerf coming in it's not even on pbe, either way with dh bruiser shaco will still be very strong
Umm in the last post by Meddler he clearly stated that they will be nerfing duskblade, and do you even hear yourself? "bruiser shaco will be very strong" he's not supposed to be a bruiser, he's supposed to be an assassin.
: As a shaco one trick with near 500 k points on shaco i would love it if they stopped touching him, in my opinion with dh he is in a good spot and the escape bit is kinda wrong because if you are good with the champ you are either A. going after a pick (so they are alone), or B. going for the adc in the middle of the fight, not at the start nor the end so when you one hit the carry you can ult to avoid the immediate shock of abilities from the other team and juke your way out. Juking out of a fight with my ult is my favorite thing to do on him, after 1 hitting a sup, mid, or adc ofc.
He's in a good spot, but once the duskblade nerfs go through then I don't know what spot shaco will be in. Most likely in the gutter since we all know he isn't going to recieve a compensation buff.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 16
Are there going to be any changes soon @Meddler ? It feels like he's just being left without any change ever and with duskblade nerfs, this will just shaco even deeper in the ground.
Madsin25 (NA)
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: Would you care to elaborate a bit? Perhaps into an *actual* post?
If you can't understand it, I don't know what to tell you.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 14
Are there going to be any changes or anything for Shaco? It always feels like my main is neglected and if he's too strong he gets nerfed instantly. {{champion:35}} {{item:3070}} {{champion:35}}
ddoA (EUNE)
: There was a gameplay thoughts posted 2 months ago ([here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/9KovwJ7c-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-4 )) where you mentioned that after LeBlanc rework Rengar will probably get one after her. On reddit leblanc mains Rioter showed up and asked for mains to come to Riot office for testing LeBlanc rework, so as there is already work on LeBlanc, will Rengar be your next one?
> [{quoted}](name=adoKEEP,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=PAtL0xel,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-10T16:44:55.225+0000) > > There was a gameplay thoughts posted 2 months ago ([here](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/9KovwJ7c-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-4 )) where you mentioned that after LeBlanc rework Rengar will probably get one after her. On reddit leblanc mains Rioter showed up and asked for mains to come to Riot office for testing LeBlanc rework, so as there is already work on LeBlanc, will Rengar be your next one? This ^
: {{champion:412}} You'll make a fine addition to my lantern.
To bad your ADC is already dead >:D {{champion:107}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:107}}
: vote thresh. at least he isn't rengar.
: Uh, why can't junglers carry? Top can carry, mid can carry, adc can carry (support invisibly carries), so why can't junglers do so? I agree that a jungler shouldn't just farm all game though. If they can get in a good gank, they should do so. However, if someone is losing lane really badly, there's not much a jungler can do to try and help; if the enemy is cs'ing well/has kills, going in for a gank could just lead to that enemy becoming more fed.
Cloud273 (NA)
: I'm actually really enjoying the ardent censer meta
I don't like you. If you are ever in my games, I'll be sickened.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 8
Are there going to be any changes to Shaco soon, or do you guys think hes fine atm?
Illumnic (NA)
: Can we please get a troll button in lobby?
Kinda his fault for not selecting Talon, but then again you don't know the amount of times people have banned my champ even if I selected it, and if that was the case here I'd support him trolling tbh...
: Can we eventually have a buff on Wit's end ?
agbudar (NA)
: i dont even know how to respond to this.... have you tried lately playing a tank against someone like {{champion:114}} ?
Kyunsei (EUW)
: [PBE] Statik Nerf
Sigh... New build for {{champion:35}} I guess...
: THANK YOU RIOT! (Forreal) I thought Lethality items were doomed, But PBE shows ur buffing them :)
I love the changes, but when will our little kitty {{champion:107}} , get a change? :(
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