: > [{quoted}](name=Barrel Simulator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2BHGvNZx,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-13T05:47:41.245+0000) > > ( excluding high elos such as challenger and masters and high diamond ) i wonder why we don't ban yasuo period and the reason for this is because we can handle him so maybe one time you will turn on your brain and learn to destroy yasuo by waiting all your spells instead of fighting him at lvl 2
it's called low elo for a reason they're stuck here because they can't play the game
Rioter Comments
: "fiora's % max health true damage makes it impossible to build against blah blah blah"
no toplaner can compet against fiora right now not a single one except if the fiora is bronze
: >but you, you're relevant to the discussion? I'm bring up the topic, and people generally agree with me, so yes. Unlike you, I'm not just citing peoples' opinions and saying '0 mobility = 0 chance of being overpowered'. >can you list me a champion without mobility that is strong in high elo? Plenty of ADCs, especially the last few patches. Plenty of mages, especially the last few patches. Plenty of supports, especially the last few patches. A decent amount of junglers at several points. A select few top laners. Mobility doesn't make or break champions in this game anymore. It just adds versatility which leads to ease of use, generally making them more viable in any given meta. _________ Stop acting like a lack of strong mobility excludes a champion from possibly being over-tuned. lol
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3REgcEOK,comment-id=000a00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-05T22:49:39.834+0000) > > I'm bring up the topic, and people generally agree with me, so yes no you just get all the sheeps of board to QQ about a champion punishing mistakes instead of getting good alone you come and relief yourself with all the other trash players at the game there is nothing wrong with Darius, he's one of the easiest target to kill in teamfight unlike shit like camille
: Wait, I have an idea. Maybe it's not Lucian that is broken as much as nearly every other ADC is still horrible.
Axtrous (NA)
: Uh, Draven?
what do you want to achieve with draven? bork is broken now, if you can't abuse it you can't do **** even jhin has 48% win rate, i don't know why i put him here
Rioter Comments
: Their playerbase is rather similar too... They pretend to be "AP carries", have the most inflated egos, and treat their ADCs like trash. And then rub off their egos on how "hipster" they are. Buffing Q was a mistake, and so is overbuffing the living shit out of Ardent Censer because it is "trash" and "no one builds it".
> [{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7A2ogEuI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-03-21T20:04:02.511+0000) > > > > They pretend to be "AP carries", have the most inflated egos, and treat their ADCs like trash. And then rub off their egos on how "hipster" they are. i don't blame you or them for things like that i just hated how sona mains acted like 58% win rate was fine by downvoting everyone and now i hate lulu mains saying that she's strong because of the meta, and then calling people assassin mains for hating her LOL
: Other supports that can give AS are Nunu (although to be fair he is a garbage can tier support) and anyone who can use{{item:3504}}. Although Lulu herself can use it too so I guess that kinda cancels it out I'm probably forgetting someone. Oh well
> [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7A2ogEuI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-21T19:56:44.201+0000) > > Other supports that can give AS are Nunu (although to be fair he is a garbage can tier support) Indeed, his W was nerfed in season 2 because he was played as a support and he could give attack speed to an adc > [{quoted}](name=WhoIsThisDude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7A2ogEuI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-21T19:56:44.201+0000) > > and anyone who can use{{item:3504}}. Although Lulu herself can use it too so I guess that kinda cancels it out i actually never see anyone buying it most of the supports i encounter get sightstone+locket+redemption and then the game is over
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Me0sWorB,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-21T19:03:55.434+0000) > > she denies EVERYONE not only assassins > > but wait there is more > she can enchence a juggernaut by giving more movement speed, she can give more attack speed to her carry, do you know a support that can do this? > she gives an AOE slow on the frontline+knock up on engage > > Lulu is as good for defense than for offense stop saying that her job is to deny assassins > > > But this is what makes me going on an anti-lulu threads > **there is just no way to win lane against a lulu in high elo** it's so frustrating she has too much poke, no mana cost, point and click harass, shielding, strong 2v2 Umm Lulus mana cost for poking is pretty severe really, unless they've reduced it since I last played her a year or so ago. Course that's offset by being pretty damn easy to land.
they reduced her mana cost last month
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Anhartamin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AzXAvqrr,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-03-20T15:25:33.487+0000) > > > > Damage creep? The only class dealing too much damage right now are tanks. play twitch against brand+jhin+ori+graves+jayce and tell me how you will be doing
: Remember When Tankiness meant Tankiness
remember when you didn't lose at 15 min in the game? well to fixe that riot will give you surrender at 15
: > [{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=By8ypm3H,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-11T01:23:55.762+0000) > > > > I just want to say Good Job to CertainlyT > > the designers of this game let marksmen being the only class botlane, and this dude was the only one thinking about "hey let's make a melee going botlane" > > it's thanks to works like this, that league becomes refreshing and we don't see the same things over and over again Being played in the LCS doesn't really prove Anything really. It's not as if the Reworked Mordekaiser CertainlyT did is the same one in that match. That Mordekaiser is the balance Teams Apology Rework. Look at Ziggs for a second he pushed marksman out of the botlane. He didn't need: 2 passives or A gimmick or The complete destruction of his Playerbase or the denial of a basic ability or Blatantly overpowered numbers He needed none of it to play APC CertainlyT experimented on a champion long overdue for a Rework and all it felt like was that Morde had his chance for a Healthy Rework Cheated from him http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i57/5/10/23/fbz_d180812f261bfb8d4cacca82dcb23558.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=By8ypm3H,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-11T01:54:26.426+0000) > CertainlyT IS the one who gave them the idea and ziggs isn't melee, having 550 range in this game is as overloadead as everything you listed on morde
Ralanr (NA)
: Incredibly weak early and super item reliant with barely any defensive mechanics.
wanna know who else is weak in early and super item reliant? {{champion:8}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:24}} and so many hyper carries and were they forced botlane? no because they can't lane against marksmen they prefer going top and get destroyed top than bottom
ybuR (NA)
: Nice upvote farming LMAO
Ralanr (NA)
: Let them be the only class botlane? No. They forced them.
Rioter Comments
RexSaur (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gKAsftrA,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T17:18:39.521+0000) > > i want a champion to have counterplay > > and if you look i killed jhin in 2 sec with 2 items at 25 min She already has counterplay, shes already bad against anything that has more range than her and CC. Vayne cant play the game against shit like zyra jhin at all stages of the game, just because your darius gets shit on by vayne doesnt mean she doesnt have counterplay.
> [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gKAsftrA,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T17:23:25.875+0000) > > She already has counterplay >Rexsaur nothing to see here
: how do you stop her from building crit now tho
make her Q bonus AS on next 3 attacks instead of %bonus damage that way she has more reasons to buy {{item:3153}} {{item:3124}} than crit and even if she builds crit she won't burst people with %bonus damage but then why would you pick vayne over kog? vayne is a mistake and has no way to be fixed
: Remind me the counter to Vayne in late game?
Vayne should not be able to crit on her Q a champion supposed to kill tanks shouldn't be able to build crit Kog doesn't kill squishies in 1 hit because he doesn't build crit, he's a heatlhy tank buster @op if you want a counter to vayne once riot will buff crit adc it's simple **10 bans**
Fegone (NA)
: Lol another one of those kids who have to look up other summoner names because otherwise they run out of arguments that could hold up in an actual conversation / discussion. keep thinking you're pro dude. I'm sure you'll make a great living off your LoL rank.
you actually didn't give any arguments and said "learn to play the game" so keep up the good work on backtalking a master
: So this is the Future
remember when marksmen had to buy banshee to not die well riot allowed them to have edge of the night as long as you can make use of lethality
: "Surrender@15 is just a Band-aid for the current Shitty game state"
you think you're going to have more fun in this game by having surrender at 15? i like how you have hopes it's going to be a shitstorm of snowballing except that you will have even LESS comebacks because people will surrender without letting time for the enemy team to do possible mistakes so you will have games where you surrender at 15, and games where enemies surrender at 15 but that's fine, i mean i already can't play my main atm because he's only relevant at 30 min, so let me just end games quickly without being useless
: Anybody who doesn't pick Season 2 didn't play back then This poll has a huge selection bias As someone who's played since season 0 here's how I'd rank em Season 2 > Season 5 > Season 4 > Season 3 > Season 7 > Season 6 Not really gonna count season 1 because there was no established meta back then and the game was far too different
> [{quoted}](name=FalconPawwwwnch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qQKedcsR,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2017-02-23T01:49:04.216+0000) > > Anybody who doesn't pick Season 2 didn't play back then find me a season 2 player that doesn't want to play in season 2 and then ask him why to make sure he knew how to play the game so he doesn't tell you "muh supports" like this dude shittalking supports in season 2
: And what if the tanks keep building tanky? Do you stop building more offense? Maybe at that specific time of the game you can destroy tanks, but as game continues you need to build more offense, and end up with 6 offense items.
It doesn't matter if the tank continues to build defense, this isn't our issue our issue is that building defense as an adc is no longer more viable than killing a tank faster and it was when league was good
Eedat (NA)
: This is just bullshit lol. You need 4 items before you can start doing actual damage to tanks
you have 200 AD, crit=500damage on a tank with 50% chance=average damage is 350 you hit 10 times and you deal 3500 damage to the tank, now throw this into armor and armor pen and tell me the outcome black cleaver is so built in this game i would even take it in account
: ADCs build those, sure, but they also need another crit/AS item, lifesteal item, and boots. Missing any one of these items is a huge hit to their DPS.
No, you asked if you're able to kill a tank, not if you needed lifesteal or idk what As twitch i can kill any tank in the game with those 3 items, i don't need an other crit item
: I think there's a number of things going on. 1. Lethality on the other ADC 2. Tanks mean you need to deal as much damage as possible 3. No room in your build. 4. A bad idea for midgame when you might be able to use it most because you need damage. 5. One defensive item and you still get blown up.
> [{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ayin9K3i,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-23T18:24:44.291+0000) > > > > 5. One defensive item and you still get blown up. this
Salron (NA)
: ADCs don't deal damage to current iterations of tanks[with only 5 damage items] so they're forced into 6 damage item builds now Edit: I forgot to put some words in there rofl
Hahahahahaha adc can destroy a tank with just {{item:3031}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3036}} so imagine if throw {{item:3153}} into it(getting buffed) the reason they don't build defensive items is because it won't save you against anything which means it doesn't matter if you build defense or not i used to build ninja tabi against zed, and now it doesn't make a single difference he's going to kill me
Verdade (EUNE)
: 1. Junglers weren't gold starved, however jungle was VERY hard back then. Only few champions could jungle properly, but when they could they were REALLY good. Old invis+stun eve, pre-nerf J4 etc. 2. While supports had less gold, they, or to be precise, their kits were way more impactful. Sona, Janna, Soraka are like 1/4 of champions they were back then. 3. ADCs were the lategame fantasy, if you could get your Kog into late you would probably win, HOWEVER it was not guaranteed and Kog was very easy to shut down early with nearly every ADC. Also ADCs were much, much weaker in early game, up until 2 completed items+boots
jungle became easier since season 2 where riot nerfed the jungle damage but also its gold and xp
: > [{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wGVNGY83,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-02-22T16:58:54.826+0000) > > it's subjective > > yet you try to convince people that it wasn't better > > hint: it was better indeed Balance is much better now. Like most people, you're equating your experience to balance and those aren't the same things. Riot has become infinitely better at balance their game now.
i won't talk about it because it's pointless, i don't see riot going to season 2 again suddenly that would be admitting that they did a trash job for 5 years, so it's pointless for me to talk in this thread i'll just leave but let me just add something > [{quoted}](name=HateDaddy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wGVNGY83,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-02-22T21:16:02.705+0000) > > Balance is much better now you're so fcking delusional, balance was shit in season 2? i think so i remember some things that made me insane balance is much better now? just return to riot's HQ i don't want someone telling me that the balance of season 7 is better than season 2 when almost every adc were picked in season 2 except during one patch unlike from season 2 to now it's just insane how people try to defend riot, fact that you shittalk supports in season 2 proves it
: I smell bias. Pretty sure nobody was really high elo back then, at least not to today's levels, simply because the game hasn't been around long enough.
if i was a new player i prefer trusting someone showing proof of what he says instead of op who just straight up throws random unexistant facts like supports not having items, anyone saying this didn't know how the game work and didn't know that supports all got nerfed after having items because their kit was made to work without items
: Let's stop romantacizing Season 2's balance
it's subjective yet you try to convince people that it wasn't better hint: it was better indeed
: > [{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3KhhA2G3,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-20T12:01:08.197+0000) > > https://i.gyazo.com/b63d58f4037dc09ab1eae900037b5348.jpg > > rank shaming me is a bad idea son So you're a whole 2 divisions above me playing the most broken champs of every role while I play Lucian, Tristana, Urgot, Aatrox, Kalista, Ryze, Lissandra, etc. but you're in in EUW so you're really like 10 divisions below me.
so i looked at his match history since when darius thresh and vladimir are broken? learn the fucking game holy shit you're playing ryze? and he isn't broken? please shut the fuck up
SiG DxD (EUNE)
: what buff ,lol? since rework he was only nerfed
Kubox (NA)
: The saddest thing about the whole Malz support fiasco
which support can 75-0 you at level 2 with voidlings that run so fast? his mana cost are also quite low allowing him to harass you with E+Q refreshing E more time than he should be allowed to support malzahar is an abomination i don't mind support malzahar bringing utility in teamfight or anything i mind support malzahar being the renekton of botlane
: League of Legends was a lot more fun
get me out of that meta give me anything that existed since season 1 anything but that i'm tired of fighting teams like brand+graves+jayce+jhin+corki where everyone does so much damage it becomes impossible to play twitch without eating single spell and having 50% of your hp removed and then costs the game i'm tired of laning phase ending at 8 min, inhib at 18 min whoever was responsible for this i hope you stop working for video games it's no longer the game i knew
Cowseed (NA)
: When the **** did he say to dodge autos?! Why the ***** is this blatant lie getting upvotes?! What the *****is going on on these boards nowadays?!
what exactly CAN YOU DO AGAINST HER POINT AND CLICK AA FROM 650 RANGE SHERLOCK? it doesn't matter if you dodge Q, or don't step into a trap(hahahaha) she will always bully the shit out of you with her range and massive damage on AA i remember 1 month ago when cait was meta, this is exactly what happened and cait+zyra was the fucking ultimate cancer that could not be beaten except if your jungler helped you
Nipsahoy (NA)
: Caitlyn has plenty of counterplay. Don't step on her traps. Allies can block her ultimate for you. Her Q is a skillshot that can be avoided. Her net is a skillshot that can be avoided. Her range/headshots are about the only thing that can't be countered but she typically will lose duels if you can hard engage on her as her net doesn't give her that much mobility esp if she's already snared and her midgame is quite weak unless she destroys in lane and gets way ahead early.
you heared him folks just dodge her 650 range point and click AA, and you will be able to lane against her Kappa good thing she isn't meta anymore, i enjoy laning against jhin and varus x15 more than cait
Penns (EUW)
: Id love to see a Twitch with like {{item:3085}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3031}} do damage to a tank with {{item:3068}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3065}} or {{item:1413}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3075}} lol
Not goanna happen i'm taking {{item:3085}} then afk farming 300 creeps get {{item:3031}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3026}} and here if you lose against a tank, do me a favor and never play twitch again
Penns (EUW)
: And Fizz or Akali are played? Tank metas are cancer because you have those unkillable tanks that can easily kill your backline, 1v2 bot with 2 items,...
if you're playing heimerdinger then sure, if i'm twitch i'm the one reaping them, unless i'm in an 1v9 game tanks are the one who bring the least amount of damage in late game in mid game their damage is high, but in late game at best they can remove 30% of your hp in a matter of a second, before you kill them in 2 sec and lifesteal fuck it
: "you're insane, why do you want a tank meta!!!!!"
today i achieved the highest amount of bullshit that this meta brings fighting as twitch, brand+jhin+corki+jayce+graves while my team has 0 real durable character, the teamfight is about who presses Q+W+E+R first and evaporate the enemy team can't do shit trying to dodge spells and doing damage and wondering why jayce is removing half of our hp in one Q bring back the tank meta already so i can destroy everyone
RexSaur (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H04FeXvA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-17T16:28:18.606+0000) > > jhin isn't your problem then > > you're your own problem due to not knowing how to play the game if you die to jhin by a single 4th shot or his ult Him using ult from fog of war equals to me not knowing to play the game? Man i do love your thought process.
yeah, if you're alone without anyone blocking his ulti as an adc then you don't know how to play the game you're an adc main, and despite that you don't know the basic rule of playing an adc
RexSaur (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H04FeXvA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-17T16:24:06.672+0000) > > Let me teach you the game son > > jhin is shit in late game, especially with lethality > Cait is stronger in early game, weaker in mid game, A LOT stronger in late game > > "more effective range than cait" yup, 5 shots from 3000 range that can be blocked by the frontline, and his W has a long cd > tell me more about effective range when cait has permanently 650 range, not that i complain twitch has 850 but twitch isn't bs in laning phase > > While jhin is strong right now, let me tell you 2 things that will enlight you > > cait is cancer to play against > jhin isn't cancer to play against, i destroy him in a second with witch Stopped reading at jhin is shit late game. Being able to 100-0 squishies/pseudo ashe ult with just ult or catch someone from 3000 range with W = shit tier late game Being able to 100-0 squishies with 4th auto + Q = shit tier late game
> [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H04FeXvA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-17T16:24:41.804+0000) > > > > Being able to 100-0 squishies/pseudo ashe ult with just ult or catch someone from 3000 range with W = shit tier late game > > Being able to 100-0 squishies with 4th auto + Q = shit tier late game jhin isn't your problem then you're your own problem due to not knowing how to play the game if you die to jhin by a single 4th shot or his ult
RexSaur (NA)
: The boards defends jhin and complains about cait
Let me teach you the game son jhin is shit in late game, especially with lethality Cait is stronger in early game, weaker in mid game, A LOT stronger in late game "more effective range than cait" yup, 5 shots from 3000 range that can be blocked by the frontline, and his W has a long cd tell me more about effective range when cait has permanently 650 range, not that i complain twitch has 850 but twitch isn't bs in laning phase While jhin is strong right now, let me tell you 2 things that will enlight you cait is cancer to play against jhin isn't cancer to play against, i destroy him in a second with twitch
Penns (EUW)
: But Ashe pays way more for her utility kappa
meanwhile ashe deals x15 more damage than jhin goldenkappa
: Dont bother, people will always look for a scapegoat solution to blame everything. No one complained about jhin until lethality buffs, suddenly his OP and "toxic" when he's one of the most skillshot reliant AdC in the game.
as a twitch main i just don't understand the complaints, what are they about? i only saw "muh win rate" and 0 arguments meanwhile win rate never meant anything to riot games they nerfed 43% win rate characters and never nerfed 55% win rate characters {{champion:29}} can kill an entire team in 3 seconds, can sneak and kill jhin in 1 seconds, just need a tank to tank his ulti damage and that's all
bbQsauçe (EUW)
: ***
you don't need evidences you idiot, jhin can't kill someone with his ulti if the target is sitting at 100% hp, look at the base damage of his ulti then talk
: He has been op for a while... it just hasn't been addressed. Lethality just pushed him over the EDGE even more. (Get it Edge??? EDGE OF NIGHT) I made a pun...
People have no idea which adc was picked 1 month ago
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