Hayoi (NA)
: I really hate Kayle's new gameplay design
Remove her % HEALTH dmg on a TARGETED ABILITY and i guarantee you she well be far less op.
Cyklon (NA)
: Let me say this, loud and clear. If you guys like banning in aram - you are bunch of sissies. The whole point of aram is for you to get random champs whatever they may be... ability of banning decent ones just breaks that away. You should be ashamed of yourself to even use that system.
Say it louder for the hardstuck iron 3's in the back{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OdqTYfMv,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-04-04T04:12:36.636+0000) > > Doesn't seem like he's going full tank.... I'm pretty sure ap naut can still do this so I don't think it's a legitimate reason against buffing his damage numbers. That guy was me in that picture an d why his base damage on him is low is cause his W makes up for it and i know how to use Naut depending on the champion you are facing ! and i have over way too much mastery points with the guy as it is! (2190803) https://i.imgur.com/qef0qrz.png His W is fine! and why i say is cause his W cd was super longer long ago before the rework on his W? trust me it was bad back then! but his W is some what spammable now but with less shield this time around but works amazing with the Free auto attack with his W like auto pop W for free auto and use these runes https://i.imgur.com/QDmOg37.png works amazing with domination and i usually use exhaust and ignite dose more damage over time faster and you can almost get a kill and get this next patch (Overgrowth) Completion bonus grants more max health. Making it better, especially for people who actually build health items. COMPLETION BONUS 2.5% max health increase ⇒ 3.5% max health increase
Don't know why you got downvoted, but if you say so I believe you.
: What is _YOUR_ evidence that dread knight is anything else? The skin has no lore and no confirmed universe. The only thing you can do is go off what it looks like and, frankly, that's a lot more genuine than you sitting over there acting like people don't have eyes. It's very simple. You can go look it up and see that the burning tides skin theme falls under the alternative universe label. From there we know his character is centered around his morals and position as an elite soldier... Here's the part where you think. If he's from Bilgewater, in this universe, what kind of morals do you think he has? Is he still an eliter soldier? Hence, his character is still intact. We can all go on forever on what qualities make a character. I'm going off what the OP said. He points out that Riot themselves consider her age to be relevant and, apparently, they say so in her Q&A... So maybe riot doesn't agree with you. Part of me isn't sure if you even read what you cited because I see her age everywhere in the bio. Someone who runs an elite family that operates two cities doesn't sound young at all. In fact, "Principal" anything doesn't sound young to me. The terms used throughout very clearly get the message across, so I'm here like_ "what are you even reading?"_ I didn't contradict myself at all. You were just so fixed on responding that you never actually bothered to understand what my point was. Hell, why'd you stop with the program example? I defended every fucking Camille skin that exists except the new one... But again, you probably didn't know that until now. Very sad. Maybe you'd make better arguments if you took the time to understand what you were arguing against.
"What is YOUR evidence that dread knight is anything else? The skin has no lore and no confirmed universe. The only thing you can do is go off what it looks like and, frankly, that's a lot more genuine than you sitting over there acting like people don't have eyes," - Jack. Jack. Listen. DId you not read my comment at all? Did you not understand anything I just said? God this is why I hate the league boards. LISTEN. I never said dreadknight was anything. I commented MY interpretation of the dreadknight skin to prove to YOU that skins have no LORE. Do you understand now? My POINT is that skins aren't canon and have no lore MEANING they can be up to interpretation. - No where did I say that MY take in the skin WAS canon or that the skin was ANYTHING ELSE. LISTEN. - You are basing skins off of your experiences and personal opinion, BUT you're calling it fact. Stop bsing "It's very simple. You can go look it up and see that the burning tides skin theme falls under the alternative universe label. From there we know his character is centered around his morals and position as an elite soldier... Here's the part where you think. If he's from Bilgewater, in this universe, what kind of morals do you think he has? Is he still an eliter soldier? Hence, his character is still intact," - Did you not read my comment at all? Seriously? You did it again. You're placing lore on skins when there is none. It doesn't matter if he's from bilgewater or has bilgwater aesthetic. - "From there we know his character is centered around his morals and position as an elite soldier... Here's the part where you think. If he's from Bilgewater, in this universe, what kind of morals do you think he has? Is he still an eliter soldier? Hence, his character is still intact," I cannot believe I have to repeat myself jesus christ.... ONCE AGAIN. SKINS ARE NOT BASED ON THE LORE OF THE CHARACTER. What part about that do you not understand? What is not clear to you? You DON'T know whether or not biglewater garen has the same morals or similar morals to garen. "He's still an elite solider" HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? EVIDENCE? PROOF? Where does it say in league that Admiral garen is still an elite soldier? YOU DON'T KNOW. And you're talking out of your ass at this point. You once again refuse to listen to my comments so I'm forced to break it down some more. - SKINS ARE NOT BASED ON THE CHAMPION LORE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF HE'S FROM BILGEWATER THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO DETERMINE A SIMILAR CHARACTER TO THE ORIGINAL. Christ Do you need further explanation? "We can all go on forever on what qualities make a character. I'm going off what the OP said. He points out that Riot themselves consider her age to be relevant and, apparently, they say so in her Q&A... So maybe riot doesn't agree with you," - Well the OP is exaggerating to fit his argument because the Q&A just states her age. Also tell me this. If her age is so damn important than how come it isn't a focus in her lore? How come her augmentations and wondering if she's more machine than human two major focuses in her lore and biography? Even then she was already known to be very old. BUT being old was NOT the focus of her character or of her lore. It's more of a detail about her character that indicates how far the augments have gone. The fact that she is still able to move so eligantly at the age of 80 is due to her AUGMENTS. Please read at least the first paragraph I posted before. It literally states these elements. I'm repeating myself because you clearly didn't read my last comment and I'm not the only one that noticed. - Also no he never said that Riot considered her age relevant: "You even made a very large point about telling us that she was actually 80 years old in the QA about her," Making a very large point (Which is still an exaggeration) does NOT correlate to relevancy. It was a minor relevance in her story like i've said before. Riot likely made it a large point because it means that her augments are far more advanced than one would believe had they not known her age. "Part of me isn't sure if you even read what you cited because I see her age everywhere in the bio. Someone who runs an elite family that operates two cities doesn't sound young at all. In fact, "Principal" anything doesn't sound young to me. The terms used throughout very clearly get the message across, so I'm here like "what are you even reading?"" - Once again you're placing bias as a bases for evidence. You're assuming someone has to be old to run an elite family and operates two cities. Well, first of all, she inherited that responsibility after her brother. It's not like she built the clan from scratch. Not only that, but her brother stevan was in control when he was YOUNGER THAN CAMILLE. Added to that she actually let her grand-niece take control of the family, not her. She did shadow operations to help the family. You know, her grand-niece who ISN'T an old woman? Running an elite family? Read the story please. -"In fact, "Principal" anything doesn't sound young to me," are you serious? You're clearly using your own personal experience as a bases for evidence and it's obvious! Principal has no age value to it. It is a POSITION OF POWER NOT AGE. Jesus Christ it's like talking to a brick wall that's reading it's first book. Did you even read the biography? - "The terms used throughout very clearly get the message across, so I'm here like "what are you even reading?""" The terms? Terms? Do you know what terms mean? Because the way you're using it is incorrect and has no coherent value. Even then no "terms" in the story dictate that she has to be a certain age to run the family or even oversee operations. So what are YOU even reading? Because it's not her story. "I didn't contradict myself at all. You were just so fixed on responding that you never actually bothered to understand what my point was. Hell, why'd you stop with the program example? I defended every fucking Camille skin that exists except the new one... But again, you probably didn't know that until now. Very sad. Maybe you'd make better arguments if you took the time to understand what you were arguing against," - This was actually a mistake on me. I take full responsibility for that mistake because I assumed you were the OP. - But I have to ask once again, how can you have an issue with the new one when the project skin has no age indication? - "New Skin. She looks 20. That's a problem. Her hair should be made gray," How do you have an issue with her age when the program is essentially ageless? If anything she looks like some newly created model. - This also goes back to my MAIN POINT: SKINS AREN'T CANONICAL AND THEREFORE ARE NOT BASED ON THE LORE OF THE CHARACTER. Even the skins with lore don't directly follow the original lore's aesthetic (Facial looks, skin color, HAIR) or their personality directly. - Here let me once again use your own logic and the logic of the OP: I don't like the nurse akali skin because she doesn't have her original outfit or even look anything like her original skin. I don't like Dark Star thresh because he doesn't have his lantern. - Here's the best example of how backwards you guys' logic is: I don't like nidalee's french maid skin because it doesn't fit with her character being a being that belongs to the jungle. Growing up on the deepest parts of the jungle, her maid skin doesn't reflect that at all and in turn that makes it a bad skin. - See what I did? I applied your logic, but in a better scenario because at least her being apart of the jungle and being half woman and half beast is a FOCUS in her character. The french skin doesn't reflect her wild beast like nature at all so according to you and the OP it's not a good skin. Do you see where things can uh get you know? Unreasonable?
: ARAM sucks really hard now.
"There's no competition in ARAM anymore," And tell me how competitive was a gamemode called "All Random All Mid" where you don't have a ranking system meaning you could get a full team of irons and the enemy could have a full team of diamonds? I've won against poke comps of lost against poke comps it doesn't matter. I literally play that gm to dick around.
: Now that we can't build double tear anymore, can we finally rework murumana?
Completely agree. Literally no ad champ has a use for this item in their core build lmao
: What if we removed runes and masteries?
Runes and masteries? You mean just runes right?
: Revert The Nautilus Change
They need more quality buffs for a lot of champions in the dirt right now (Looking at you trundle). And naut is one of them. Fully support this.
: https://i.imgur.com/Atxric9.mp4 im just going to leave this here
Doesn't seem like he's going full tank.... I'm pretty sure ap naut can still do this so I don't think it's a legitimate reason against buffing his damage numbers.
DeusVult (NA)
: I would say that Naut is in a fine position in a lot of matchups in top lane, using E to clear waves/trade when they go for cs. He has the best gank assist in the game IF your jungler decides to grace your lane with a gank. (A gank which is a free kill for them 90% of the time because of how much gank assist Naut posses.) The most recent buffs were pretty nice for him, and IMO Naut is fine in the right hands, but not strong enough to be an outright blind pick. But I OP.gg doesnt even list him as a top laner, so you can really see what most people think of him
You say that but in execution he's actually not in a fine spot at all even with the best players. And I don't even main naut
nGio (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Py1dqw9x,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T05:18:34.440+0000) > > Idk man I think you're going a bit too far with this. They're just rotating game modes. Some fun. Others not so much. It's like a fun little bonus event. Not really meant to be a real gamemode apart of the game forever. Just something to change up the way the game works. > > Also having literally every gamemode in the play menu would just look like a mess lmao You have to evolve though. The map and game have remained relatively the same since WC3 DoTA. More people are playing custom games on DoTA 2 than they are the actual game at this point, because it's fresh ideas on a classic game. I was playing more DoTA than I was WC3 back in the day. If it weren't for custom game modes in other games, League and mobas wouldn't exist. There are a lot of us who prefer URF to ranked, and nothing is going to change that. Vaulting up URF and telling me "okay no dessert tonight buddy" doesn't force me to play ranked. It doesn't hurt you or anyone else that I'm having fun doing something different, so why can't I make that decision for myself?
I mean that's DoTa 2. People played more aurf this season because they made it better, but there were still a lot of people playing solo q. More so than urf. What I like to do is get some urf games just to play without thinking, but I'd rather prefer to mostly play solo q. I know that's just my opinion, but it applies to almost a majority of the playerbase. Especially the way urf is now. I can live without everything being a 5 second cd lmao. "There are a lot of us who prefer URF to ranked, and nothing is going to change that. Vaulting up URF and telling me "okay no dessert tonight buddy" doesn't force me to play ranked. It doesn't hurt you or anyone else that I'm having fun doing something different, so why can't I make that decision for myself?" - This comment is confusing. Is this directed specifically at me? Because I never said it was bad to prefer urf over ranked for one. Also them locking urf isn't forcing you to play ranked. Nothing is forcing you to play ranked so I'm still confused if this is directed at me? And I and no one else said that you can't make that decision for yourself what? You're acting like I attacked you personally calm down lmao. But your view on urf and other gamemodes being permanent is a very subjective one. A lot of games usually have special events that only last for so long. It can't really explain it with Riot because it's just a thing they decided to do soooooooo{{sticker:garen-swing}}
: But none of those examples make your point.. Garen is characterized by his morals and position as an elite soldier. This is a lot different from the point made about Camille whose age is a big part of who she is. * Dreadknight does not kill this concept of Garen at all. He is still Garen, just darker. * Admiral is just Garen if he had been brought up in Bilgewater instead of Demacia... It's a unique re-imagining, but again. It's still Garen because the qualities of his character remain intact. * Literally nothing about God King goes against Garen at all. That is likely what he would be like if he ascended to Godlike Power. He's already hardcore on Justice and resides in Demacia. **For Camille:** * Elderwood is fine. She doesn't need grey hair there because she's already embodying something ancient. * Program is also fine. She is full machine. No big deal. * New Skin. She looks 20. That's a problem. Her hair should be made gray.
You're making assumptions of a character based on no evidence. How do you know dreadknight is exactly the same garen? Evidnece? Source? You literally made that up to fit your own argument. My point was when I said this champions was that the skins aren't canonical and aren't entirely based on the champions fundamentals. For the rest of the skins you are again making assumptions of the skins. How do you know admiral garen has the same core ideas of garen? Hell he even has different hair! Also addressing the hair thing: No her age is not what makes camille. Here let me send you the very first paragraph of her biography. The one that explains her whole character: "Weaponized to execute outside the boundaries of the law, Camille is an elegant and elite operative who ensures the Piltover machine and its Zaunite underbelly runs smoothly. Camille's true strength is her adaptability and attention to detail, viewing sloppy technique as an embarrassment that must be put to order. Raised among manners and money, she is the Principal Intelligencer of Clan Ferros, tasked with cutting down her family's darker problems with surgical precision. With a mind as sharp as the blades she bears, Camille's pursuit of superiority through hextech body augmentation has left many to wonder if she is more machine than woman," Now where in that paragraph does it state her age? Where in the paragraph is her age a relevancy in her bio? It's because it's not relevant. It was a result of her augmentations. If anything her augments should be more of a focus than her age and Riot agrees with me as well as everyone else. - Side note: "Program is also fine. She is full machine. No big deal," You not only contradict your OP since you didn't like this skin either, but this skin doesn't show her age at all and you seem fine with it. So back to my main point: Skins aren't lore based and can therefore do whatever they want with the design of the champion as long as it retains the core identity (at least visual) of the champion. Camille's identity is her elegant and elite personality but also her augmentations, which it once again states in the official lore. Her new skin still reflects those augments. Her age is a purely aesthetic choice.
Baval (NA)
: just so you know, the first dunkmaster was Yi, and he has no dunk like animations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fIOrUTIOQ
I can't tell if you're joking or not
YUUKI VK (NA)
: can we MAYBE do something about klepto??? or hell ranged champs played to into melee
Don't know who downvoted but I agree. Klepto is only used by ranged champs at this point. The only acceptions are illaoi and gp and even then gp would rather take grasp. Listen post this on reddit because people on these league boards just downvote shit for no reason if it isn't something like "OMG YASUO SO BROKEN" League boards are verrrry bias
nGio (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Py1dqw9x,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-03T03:58:38.919+0000) > > I don't want the only gamemode to be urf. It'll get boring fast. Besides the other gamemodes are good like nexus blitz This isn't URF vs 'x'. Every game mode should be made permanent, and available for players to decide what they enjoy, instead of being force fed like children. Yes, URF should be permanent, as well as Nexus Siege, Ascension, and all of those shitter pve phone game things they made. SC2 style open arcade, that allows us to run wild and have fun. Regardless of which game mode you like, we don't get any of them, because LC$ and LC$ Simulator drones to feed it are the only things that matter.
Idk man I think you're going a bit too far with this. They're just rotating game modes. Some fun. Others not so much. It's like a fun little bonus event. Not really meant to be a real gamemode apart of the game forever. Just something to change up the way the game works. Also having literally every gamemode in the play menu would just look like a mess lmao
Nhaleets (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=0BpbpYPA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-03T04:54:00.069+0000) > > While I disagree with the leave buster after coming back in a game and trying your best, you definitely should NOT be rewarded a bonus just because of a crash or disconnect. One of the reasons is because it would be unfair to the players who stayed while you were dced even if it wasn't your fault. > > But I don't think you should be penalized since I'm pretty sure you gain more lp by playing better, which already elimates trolls gaining lp last minute since they'd have to also perform well in those last minutes right? Or maybe I'm wrong idk, but no bonus for dcing Im not saying to give a bonus. Im saying to not be penalized, you get penalized as it is even if you win for reconnecting, you lose LP and get 0 XP
You did mention getting a reward, which led me to imply something extra for dcing and reconnecting. If that's not the case then yeah I agree with you.
Nhaleets (NA)
: A computer crash should not always have a penalty with it
While I disagree with the leave buster after coming back in a game and trying your best, you definitely should NOT be rewarded a bonus just because of a crash or disconnect. One of the reasons is because it would be unfair to the players who stayed while you were dced even if it wasn't your fault. But I don't think you should be penalized since I'm pretty sure you gain more lp by playing better, which already elimates trolls gaining lp last minute since they'd have to also perform well in those last minutes right? Or maybe I'm wrong idk, but no bonus for dcing
Yenn (NA)
: It's 2019 and Diamond IV is still a cesspool of mechanical players with Bronze IV decision making
Chances? Never. And I don't think lowering damage is going to force people to play better for a lot of reasons that would make my comment way too long. They just reset ranked so everyone from diamond 4 to challenger was demoted to diamond 4 right? I'd give it time to see if they were able to lower the bad players getting in. Also hasn't diamond 4 always been like this because of elo boosting as well?
: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sonicpokemon/images/f/fa/Slowpoke_AG_anime.png/revision/latest?cb=20130625042820
: I want all my aatrox skin refunded... no attrox changes still on the pbe.
Not saying the aatrox nerfs were too heavy, but it is not Riot's fault you made the decision to buy the skin. Also aatrox isn't that bad respectively. People need time to adapt to his E change, but certainly still playable. His E is even better as you get more cdr so just keep at it you can do it!
: A proposed buff for the Support items
Yep and go back to a time in LCS where fog of war didn't exist. Besides you guys don't have to do much to get it. Literally just last hit, attack the enemy, or grab little coins off the ground.
: If they did all the feminists would come out of there holes and complain for months.
Lmao they're already mad seeing as they're downvoting you guys
: J4 skin a let down
The third bluish purple j4 skin lmao
Rioter Comments
: Lmao, anything other than a Tree.
: Dunkmaster Ivern..? WHAT ABOUT MY GIRL ILLAOI!?
Dunkmaster {{champion:86}} ? Nah let's give it to the fucking tree who doesn't even have a "dunk-like" animation.
: Riot - You are starting a bad trend with Camille.
Skins don't follow the champion lore. Need an example? Look at garen skins. There is a lot of them that show different personalities and ages. - Dreadknight garen looks like more of an evil or ruthless garen than his original - Admiral garen is a much older garen - God king garen is a garen that will bring peace through absolute order and worship. Meaning if you don't follow his rules you face harsh consequences. My point is skins are never going to match lore or even elements of a champion aside from key visuals of a champion (For example Camilles key visual for her champion I'd say is her knife legs and hook shot knees not her age).
: How riots punishment system can mentally hurt people
: Is it right to kill an inting enemy laner?
I mean you're putting morality into a videogame. Just kill them and end the game faster if you feel so bad. Also they can attack you to force you to kill them so....
: Make URF permanent game mode!
I don't want the only gamemode to be urf. It'll get boring fast. Besides the other gamemodes are good like nexus blitz
: > [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:08:43.743+0000) > > agreed. i just find the complaints about garen buffs at all dumb as shit, when hes currently one of the weakest champions in the game. > > also, that guy who apparantly just reads out the patch notes and makes a youtube video off it, doesnt even know how the cooldown on garens w works. It's longer than he thinks even with 45% CDR. Besides, Garen is actually losing some of the active time for this, which is really still not what he needs. He needs help on DAMAGE, NOT RESISTANCES! It's almost like they're trying to take him OUT of being a Juggernaut. No! I like my Garen as a Juggey! What'd I make my silly "Juggernaut Club" thing based around after all?
Also to follow up on your point where there trying to take damage in exchange for tankiness: I also agree with this. So many times in my games whether I win or lose I check the stats and see that I did poor damage, but for some reason I had the highest "damage taken" in the game everytime. That's why I'm not as excited for the W change because it just means now you have to w max 1st or 2nd to even get the effect of the buff, meaning you sacrifice q or e max, and in turn lose damage. So this actually nerfs garen's damage even more even if it's a good buff. I remember in season 8 I could get highest damage in the game if I played properly and carried. Now I'm still experimenting with w max 2nd, but I'm skeptical about the carry part...
: > [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:17:45.851+0000) > > i think most of the reason why garen dropped off after season 8 was the overall meta change. > > the game practically sucked him off during the vs. event with teamcomps mostly being filled with lethality assassins and low cc champions. > > jungle it was mostly khazix at the time, mid it was zed (maybe talon? not sure anymore), and it was also around pykes release before people started running aftershock on him, and built him mostly assassin. > > so often it was 3 assassins on a team, a type of champion who has a hard time dealing with garen, since you cant just burst him out. That, and while I certainly have nothing against going {{item:3078}} on Garen, his usual bread-and-butter item {{item:3071}} just doesn't cut it anymore. Tri Garen works best when the enemy team doesn't have an actual-factual Tank in their lineup. Like if you're facing a squishier top-lane opponent, like most Skirmishers or even some of the Ranged Top-laners or Mages you see up there. The Sheen proc (Which I STILL THINK needs to be changed back, or at least changed to if it never was, to Base AD alongside {{item:3053}} ) works wonders on bursting them down. But, that's NOT what a Juggernaut, at least according to the design of their overall class of Fighters, is supposed to DO! Juggers are supposed to be DPS based, not Burst. Meanwhile, going {{item:3071}} is almost like a joke. Even when I don't play Garen, the ones I see don't use it. Heck, ADCs like {{champion:236}} and {{champion:21}} seem to get more out of it these days than Juggernauts do, and it's a Juggernaut-intended item! Only when there is an actual-factual Tank on the enemy team, that is going to build Armor, will I get {{item:3071}} nowadays. That, IMO, is NOT a good omen for Garen, or even Juggernauts in general.
Completely agree man. Sometimes it's not even viable to go black clever anymore. I usually go {{item:3742}}'s against ads and I go {{item:3071}} against mages but mostly rush merc boots. Even with this buff he might still be the worst juggernaut out of them all.
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:11:26.727+0000) > > 4. It's likely going to make him good again. Not as good as his season 8 presence, but good. He was in a terrible spot because of the q nerfs and celerity nerf. As well as other toplane champs getting buffed through items and their own stats. i think most of the reason why garen dropped off after season 8 was the overall meta change. the game practically sucked him off during the vs. event with teamcomps mostly being filled with lethality assassins and low cc champions. jungle it was mostly khazix at the time, mid it was zed (maybe talon? not sure anymore), and it was also around pykes release before people started running aftershock on him, and built him mostly assassin. so often it was 3 assassins on a team, a type of champion who has a hard time dealing with garen, since you cant just burst him out.
Yeah the q nerfs, celerity nerf, other toplaners buffed, and the meta change basically killed him. The fact that MULTIPLE people on these boards are talking about "Why buff garen" or "Nerf garen" just aggravates me because they don't understand that before this garen was quite literally the weakest champion in the game. Then when Riot, after months of nothing, finally give a sizable buff to make him able to at least have a stay in the meta people think it's overpowered. I find it funny how riot literally gave mundos q 20% current health damage lvl 1 and basically nerfed sylas into the ground yet the one complaint about patch 9.7 I see is about fucking garen lmao. I'm just hoping all these complains don't carry over to reddit and force riot to nerf him
: > [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:08:43.743+0000) > > agreed. i just find the complaints about garen buffs at all dumb as shit, when hes currently one of the weakest champions in the game. > > also, that guy who apparantly just reads out the patch notes and makes a youtube video off it, doesnt even know how the cooldown on garens w works. It's longer than he thinks even with 45% CDR. Besides, Garen is actually losing some of the active time for this, which is really still not what he needs. He needs help on DAMAGE, NOT RESISTANCES! It's almost like they're trying to take him OUT of being a Juggernaut. No! I like my Garen as a Juggey! What'd I make my silly "Juggernaut Club" thing based around after all?
: > [{quoted}](name=taleofsonata,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-03T00:12:32.457+0000) > Technically he can build damage and be as tanky as any Tank. almost as if hes some form of juggernaut. also, who the fuck is LS? should anyone know that guy? also why does he think garens w cooldown starts with the cast and not when the buff ends, like it actually does and there is still 9 second cooldown between casts with 40% cdr?
LS is a highly credible coach who mostly focuses on pro play. He did casting and is currently casting in LCK this year. His word is relatively credable although he has a lot of blunders like thinking garens W cd starts as soon as it's activated (Although I would kind of like that hehe)
: LS is speechless with the Garen buff...
1. He gets 60% damage reduction and 60% tenacity for .75 seconds and 30% for the rest of the duration and it doesn't mitigate true damage. By no means is it permanent. At max its 5 seconds but that's mostly 5 seconds of 30% damage reduction and .75 seconds of 60% damage reduction every 5 seconds if timed right. You can still take a lot of damage. LS wasn't speechless also. To be more specific, LS said this was a good buff to garen and even thinks he has competitive viability only in specific team comps. He wanted to talk about garen later so even then he still needs to think about it. 2. No he can't. As someone who extensively played and plays Garen, is apart of the garen subreddit, had discussions in the garen discord, and watches high elo garen players like Riste, I can confidently say that he still can't do that. Or at least not more damage than the builds he already does. He cannot be "as tanky as a tank" not even close. I One trick garen. Even with this buff he can still get popped if he isn't careful because of other slight problems in his kit and the way his kit works 3. Conquer doesn't work on garen...... Your q and e only give one stack meaning at max you have 2 stacks of conquer. Also it'll be a breeze for opponents in lane if garen takes conquer 4. It's likely going to make him good again. Not as good as his season 8 presence, but good. He was in a terrible spot because of the q nerfs and celerity nerf. As well as other toplane champs getting buffed through items and their own stats. 5. He's good. Not broken. It just means people have to play against him more carefully at most. It was a much needed buff.
: A Toplane Diamond Player's Ranked Frustration
I don't mean to be "that guy" but you should really focus on improving. When I say that I mean put more effort than you already are. - I'm not saying I'm good either. I'm currently in gold 3 and I peaked at plat 5 last season. But I know I need to improve significantly and that it's not just the meta. If you aren't climbing it's usually because of a habitual problem or problems you have. For example I couldn't climb out of silver season 7 because I didn't play as much but also because I was doing habits in my gameplay that hurt my carry potential. When I got over those habits I was able to climb more and more. To this day I'm still getting used to some problems I have. - Also from my time playing league I've learned that you need to put a lot of time into this game to improve and climb. One of the reasons I'm in gold is because I don't have time to put in more than like 3 or 4 games a week ora little more or less. What I've realized from watching streamers is that they put in an insane amount of games. They put a lot of focus into the game and as a result they do improve. - I'm am by no means calling you a bad player. It's possible for you to climb out. I mean there's a streamer known as Riste who one tricks {{champion:86}} who is currently sitting at grandmasters. He climbed out of diamond by exclusively playing garen one of the most simple champs in the game and who isn't even in a good spot. - I suggest one tricking even if the champ gets nerfed. It's really good at helping you get more comfortable against certain champions and its good for climbing. Like I think you should stick to sylas (even though he's better mid I think) even if he gets nerfed. - League is also a very psychology driven game. Having good mental before playing a game is key. Mental can decide the outcome of entire games. Even in LCS and LCK bad mental can end games. I learned that too. I climbed from silver to gold to plat most because I had good mental too. Not saying I wasn't tilted. Tilt is impossible to avoid, but I mostly tried to ignore it and focus on what I can do in "the now" (For example if a bad gank happens don't focus on what you could of done, but focus on what you should be doing after the bad gank). - In conclusion I'd say you aren't climbing because you need to know what to improve about your gameplay. I don't know your mental in these games, but if it seems like you're just tilting too much then take breaks. Try not to feel nervous about climbing! I know toplane meta is pretty meh right now but you can do it! Just invest more than you are right now!{{sticker:garen-swing}}
: Why buff garen
You're the exact reason why Riot doesn't actually look at the league boards you know....
Syrile (NA)
: AURF is not really meant to be balanced
Especially when they were going to close it in like 2 weeks anyway. People just don't understand the gamemode and babyrage when they can't counter play in a game that is literally suppose to break everyone Also they go for the standard builds in urf instead of just random stuff because they keep forgetting that this isn't their bronze 2 solo q games.
Stoshkin (NA)
: ARURF
Thanks for sharing.
: Give Oblivion Orb Grievous wounds
: Do something about Zed
I mean most of those champs you list can deal with zed? And if you're really having that much trouble with him you can always permaban zed.
Yenn (NA)
: Why is Nasus's E max allowed to be viable?
So I'm watching your vod so far I'm noticing some problems: - You started good with poking him but you negated it by not only going in auto attack range of him, but by taking a lot of minion damage when you shouldn't have been. You're kennen. You don't need to get into melee range to poke. - You went into the bush once and never did it again to stop aggro. Why? - You're not poking him as much as you COULD have in that lane. Use the bushes. Makes it much easier. - You were wiffing several qs that should of landed. Don't expect you to play perfect but it should not be like this. - because of these mistakes by level 2 you're half his hp. You're not poking properly and you're being punished for it. - The first item you bought on back, was an amp tone and control ward... You see he's going comet and you're taking more damage from E and you decide amp tone instead of mr? I'm assuming that this is your first time encountering E max nasus. - BRO YOU AA HIM WHEN HE HAD A HUGE MINION WAVE CRASHING INTO YOUR TOWER AND HE WAS LOW ON MANA. Meaning he was going to back anyway. I can't make this up. He had 7 casters and 3 melees and you decided to aa him as the wave was crashing under turret. This is what I mean that you don't know when to properly poke. - I'm also assuming you're a novice kennen player because you're missing several cs that you should be able to easily get with the ad from dorans. - Another mistake: You got hit by his E and lost a lot less than a quarter hp. You go into a bush and then come out and auto attack him when he's behind 3 casters and a canon! What are you doing? That brought you to half hp for just trying to poke him LMAO. The spirit fire didn't even do that much. And instead of shoving your huge wave in you decide to go into the middle bush, come out and try to get in range to poke him again, while he's full hp and you're half, and he promptly punishes you by pressing E! XD Jesus man - You talk about how you can't farm from range yet I literally see you farming from BEHIND your caster minions in a huge minion wave. Shove the wave in and back right? - So this is your second back. You're behind on cs because of poor csing and not focusing on cs and you still have no mr despite actually witnissing the damage his E did to you. You go for hex blade instead. Where's the MR? - Once again you don't know how to poke. You walk up to him in a range in which he can instantly turn around and e you. You're trying to aa him while in front of his minions so you take a lot of minion damage. Why aren't you just poking with q and w? Your q has the range and at this point when ur lvl 7 your q has a 4 second timer. You have NO excuse here man. And still no mr. - Instead of waiting for the wave you're literally walking in front of his wave like a lost puppy and then you wonder why he's hitting you with so many E's? You're literally letting him for free. - You actually did what I was talking about earlier when I said BAIT OUT HIS E. You literally did it. And you're still complaining about how it's unavoidable or how the hitbox is too big. YOU LITERALLY DODGED IT UNDER TOWER. - I think you need to press 'c' and know how big you're range is because you keep walking into melee range of naus just to farm when you can be at a much safer distance. You do this several times and once again ask why you're getting hit by so many. Sheesh. Still no mr. - You almost dodge his e again but you greed too much for one caster minion.... It's not worth the damage. especially when you have no mr. - You have a habit of walking to close when you don't need to be and trying to harrass him when you obviously should just be csing. You have less health. if you take a trade you'll lose and that's what happens. Use. Your. Goddamn. Q. and cs from range. Who cares if you can't harrass him? You don't always have to. Especially when you didn't do it enough early. - Kill 2. You killed him twice now (With help of the jungler), You're behind 20 cs from him when you're ranged and hes melee, and you still having spend any gold on mr. Still. What's your excuse this time? - At this point you're trying to harrass a lvl 9 nasus who has shen. His lifesteal outscales your poke. Especially when you aren't poking enough. It's pretty common game knowledge by the way. That nasus power spikes at lvl 9 but w/e. - Bro seriously. You see nasus literally walk up to you in an attempt to E you and you don't back away. Instead you.... side step a small distance back and forth? What? What are you doing? You're taking free damage. - You have protobelt, your q is a 3 second cd. You should be spamming it to cs since you're so behind on cs but you aren't. Once again. Why? I literally saw u q a caster, have q up again but then leave it alone? When it was in range to be q'd? ??????????????? Edit: Oh so you can kill taliyah. So you have 3 kills now and are still struggling with this nasus and still don't have mr. - You literally trade with nasus and outdamage him when you both were at full. you were at 1000 hp and he had 800 from that trade. You have no excuse. - Once again walking up IN RANGE of his e just for one minion. I'm assuming you're tilted at this point because that's how it looks like you're playing. - Literally you took a spirit fire because you got into range of his E and whither which allowed him to get into MELEE range of you. You let a nasus as a kennen get into melee range and q you. No excuse. - Then you gave a shutdown because you miscalculated your damage and his damage and tankiness because you thought you could get a kill. - So are you going to buy mr this time? Nope. Instead you got sorc boots and a codex. And that's where I stop the video. It's clear to me that nasus E isnt the issue. I suggest you watch your own replay to understand as well. You have no more excuses man.
Yenn (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=emarythomp2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KUPQAKad,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-02T04:28:10.966+0000) > > Instead of asking why it's viable, which btw just because you lose to something doesn't make it viable, ask how higher elo players are countering this strategy? Ask why isn't this played in higher elo as often as it should to be "viable". What I do vs nasus E max is rush a little mr like mr boots or if you don't have them yet, let him push you undertower. This is tricky because you have to bait his spirit fire, but you can take damage from it in the process (I don't know the exact cd of e early but I know its long). Also this ability costs a lot of mana for nasus so I recommend you either all in him/poke him when he's low on mana or all in him/poke him. E max sacrifices his Q damage, which is his all ining and exntended fight potential. Yeah with e max he gets a lot of poke damage but he loses his q potency (Even if he is farming stacks if he'd run out of mana too quickly if he did that and used spirit fire spam). > > Seeing the game where you lost to nasus E max I've noticed that you were playing kennen, a ranged champion with a big attack range and good poke vs the nasus. > > In that case there were a multitude of option available to completely negate nasus as kennen and it seems like he punished you going klepto by going E max and trying to poke you when you got near to get procs right? Even then going klepto is still good here. Most of the time a Nasus vs a Kennen shouldn't even to be able to get close to kennen. Also you can let him push you in and have an even easier time farming. The stuff I said above was assuming that you're melee and at a disadvantage. At level 9, I have 1400 health. His E cooldown is 9 seconds with Iceborn; he can use it up to three times per wave, but probably only twice. It deals ~300 damage on the cast, and also zones me from poking him while he clears the wave, because I have to edge around the zone. Each wave, I take at least 300 damage from the first cast with Comet, more realistically about 500 damage if he uses it twice. After 2-3 waves, I'm near death and have to recall, because I have no way to sustain. With Iceborn first item, he has 1100 mana, plus 250 from Manaflow Band and the regeneration it gives, plus Corrupting Potion. Baseline, without regen, he can cast it 10 times (worth ~2500 damage if every other procs Comet). He can spam all he wants, there's no way for him to run out of mana before I run out of health. No matter what runes I'm using, Kennen needs to get into auto range (550) to last hit, vs. his 650 E range. I'm not sure why you even posted this, because you clearly have never experienced this and have poor working game knowledge (i.e. 'let Nasus push you,' Nasus has no choice to push to me, but his E is wide enough to cover most of the lane near the turret)
"At level 9, I have 1400 health. His E cooldown is 9 seconds; he can use it up to three times per wave, but probably only twice. It deals ~300 damage on the cast, and also zones me from poking him while he clears the wave, because I have to edge around the zone," - Why not walk into the zone to poke him? The damage after the initial is reduced and you have klepto. You have a chance of getting potions with klepto to help you sustain - Use your E to move around it? Or you could go through it since your E gives reistances. The downside obviously is getting into melee range, but it's still an option, especially early on - Were you abusing him early enough? Like I said you have klepto and you're ranged. You have the advantage early in gold and poke. Maybe I need to watch your reply to see how exactly you treated laning because you should not be zone from spirit fire... - Also this is mentioning his level 9. When I was talking about ways to counter it I was mostly referring to early game because once again you're a ranged champion with good base ad and klepto going into an immobile nasus who isn't focusing on q. You should just farm klepto stacks off him and you automatically gain a lead? Unless he's baiting you to move into range of his spirit fire or something I just don't see how you can possibly get poked out of lane early. - Ok level 9 is when it starts to hurt. Farm with Q? Walk into zone after initial damage? Walk into zone as it's expiring so you can poke/farm? I mean what items did you have level 9? Any mr? - If he's walking up to you through the minion wave and spamming it, first you failed to punish him early and he got strong enough to do that to you without proper punishment I assume, but second you can also bait his range and make him hit your minion wave OR press E the second he casts it to reduce your damage. - Since he gets good sustain lvl 9 he basically outscales so you can also once again let him push you in and farm undertower. Not only will this allow your jungler to come more often, but now he has to make a choice to push you in and risk a jungle gank. - "also zones me from poking him while he clears the wave, because I have to edge around the zone," how exactly is he zoning you from poke? If he's pushing the wave in then thats great. Goes into your tower. You don't really need to poke him then because at that point his just shoving. You have range and klepto AND your q. You can farm at a distance just fine. - Checked your inventory and you have no mr items at all. In fact you went for zhonias despite knowing that he's doing mostly magic damage to you. Why didn't you build mr? You also have 5% cdr meaning your q is up more. - "I have to edge around the zone," then continue to edge around the zone? How are you being hit if your doing this? Also like I said before you dont HAVE to because lightning rush and mr exists. Maybe if you bought some mr in your kit you would have had a better chance at survival. I mean you're ranged your spacing is important so how are you spacing? "Each wave, I take at least 300 damage from the first cast with Comet, more realistically about 500 damage if he uses it twice. After two waves, I'm near death, because I have no way to sustain," - You can avoid comet with lightning rush - You have klepto for random pots, taste of blood and ravenous hunter which gives initial 1.5% spellvamp. How are you not sustaining with q spam from range? Are you landing the skillshots? Also you have doransg blade, which gives 3% lifesteal. So your issue isn't sustain it's getting hit by E at max range and having no mr at all. - I mean you have no mr at all. You likely went armor runes too. I don't know what else to tell ya man. "With Iceborn first item, he has 1100 mana, plus 250 from Manaflow Band and the regeneration it gives, plus Corrupting Potion. Baseline, without regen, he can cast it 10 times (worth ~2500 damage if every other procs Comet) for 2500 damage. He can spam all he wants, there's no way for him to run out of mana before I run out of health," - At this point I don't know what to tell you. You still have no mr. I assume you didn't try all ining him with ult or something like if said is a possible optiom especially considering the fact that kennen's all in is pretty good early. You could of punished him before level 9 you had the lane bully to do so and the klepto to gain a lead in gold. But I'l give you the benefit of the doubt and watch your replay. "No matter what runes I'm using, Kennen needs to get into auto range (550) to last hit, vs. his 650 E range," - I mean your q has 1050 RANGE and is 8 seconds level 1. Not factoring in your cosmic insight or cdr from protobelt and zhonias. You max this ability first meaning it goes from 8 seconds to 7/6/5/4. By the time you put 4 points in its only 5 seconds + cosmic insight. Not only can you poke him more often, but cs more often with it too. That's why I'm questioning whether you landed you q when you should of. And no energy isn't an issue if you're just using q. it costs 60 energy and you have 200 energy with +10 energy regen a second. - 200/60 assuming you're spamming at rank 4 means you get do up to 3 or 4 q's. Not factoring in you literally recover 10 energy a second, meaning it takes just 6 seconds for you to have another q if your spamming. - Also your high aa range allows you to cs melee minions and cannon behind the turret. Nasus has to over extend to poke you. Yeah you can miss casters but it's better than taking unnecessary poke. Espeically when you aren't optimally building against said poke. - ALSO his spirit fire is a 12 second cd at all ranks. You have no excuse to not abuse him early with such a long cd ability. As a kennen ranged lane bully with KLEPTO you should be spamming the hell out the nasus early. He's weakest early before lvl 6 and he usually outscales lvl 9. You also didn't go any mr. You have no excuse. If anything It seems like you need to work on spacing as kennen as well as q farming. But like I said ill give you the benefit of the doubt and watch your replay (If I can). If it turns out what I said was wrong. Then I'll admit it based on the evidence of the replay.
: Any thoughts on Klepto regardless of kalye? For me, it feels like a horrible design, it creates hidden power(a big gold difference/itemadvantage despite same K/D/A, CS and objectives), it's RNG based and it's part why i don't play tanks top, cause as a tank vs Klepto, you just feel like a walking Pinata... I think this rune more than any other increases the ranged vs melee issue in lane.
With klepto you have a change of getting 3 sly stacks of gold with 100 g each meaning you basically earned a kill for hitting ur opponent 3 times. And it's come close in games. As illaoi i've gotten 100g and 80 g from two sly stacks. a free 180 gold. close to 200! 2/3's a kill. This rune just needs a rework or to be removed. RNG is never good in this game.
AD Yuumi (NA)
: While I understand concerns of the "riot special" (where we nerf the champion and then nerf the item/rune), Kayle is crazy strong even without Klepto. If we nerfed the rune's interactions with her she'd just switch to some other keystone (like fleet or conqueror) and be just as strong. The champion sKayle's too well with levels right now and we're adjusting that next patch before looking at any one rune or item build problem. If we were to nerf Klepto on her, I'd rather we looked at specific abuse cases instead of just making a spell on her kit randomly not count as a spell. Am heavily considering removing her unique interaction with Elixir of Skill for 9.8 (the extra point lets her ascend early). It's working as intended on live, but that doesn't make it ideal. Since Klepto is a random rune, it felt fine that Kayle got special random outcomes. Looking at it now though, Kayle getting 16 @ 15 can feel waaaay more powerful and waaaay more random than an Ezreal getting 2 gold bags and buying a Tear or Sheen early.
How about changing or removing the rune and replacing it with something healthier? RNG in league has never been a positive. Noone has ever said in league "I really like the RNG on 'X' and 'Y'" It's not healthy for a game like this. Maybe a little RNG, but not to the extent of klepto. Especially when klepto is ONLY being used either by Ezreal, or ranged champions who want to abuse melee tops (and gp, but he plays like a ranged bully because of his q and e, but even then he'd prefer grasp as it does more damage). And that's not some hashinshin exaggeration literally everyone using klepto are those two categories. I never see kepto used by anyone going mid (except for leblanc occasionally) or jungle, or support (Except for sona situationally) or adc (Except for ez). At that point I'd change to make it more of a good pick for champions in general like you guys are trying to do with other runes.
CytheGuy (NA)
: Kayle is dominating lanes right now for ONE REASON
I literally said "Change Klepto" on these same boards and got 1 downvote.... The fuck is going on. I 100% agree tho. RNG the rune is just a terrible idea. You have a change to get 3 sly stacks of gold each having 100 meaning if u get lucky you get a free kill for auto attacking a champion 3 times
Yenn (NA)
: Why is Nasus's E max allowed to be viable?
Instead of asking why it's viable, which btw just because you lose to something doesn't make it viable, ask how higher elo players are countering this strategy? Ask why isn't this played in higher elo as often as it should to be "viable". What I do vs nasus E max is rush a little mr like mr boots or if you don't have them yet, let him push you undertower. This is tricky because you have to bait his spirit fire, but you can take damage from it in the process (I don't know the exact cd of e early but I know its long). Also this ability costs a lot of mana for nasus so I recommend you either all in him/poke him when he's low on mana or all in him/poke him. E max sacrifices his Q damage, which is his all ining and exntended fight potential. Yeah with e max he gets a lot of poke damage but he loses his q potency (Even if he is farming stacks if he'd run out of mana too quickly if he did that and used spirit fire spam). Seeing the game where you lost to nasus E max I've noticed that you were playing kennen, a ranged champion with a big attack range and good poke vs the nasus. In that case there were a multitude of option available to completely negate nasus as kennen and it seems like he punished you going klepto by going E max and trying to poke you when you got near to get procs right? Even then going klepto is still good here. Most of the time a Nasus vs a Kennen shouldn't even to be able to get close to kennen. Also you can let him push you in and have an even easier time farming. The stuff I said above was assuming that you're melee and at a disadvantage.
: im pretty sure its her level 16 and not klepto but thats just a washed up masters players opinion
Well you are technically right, but klepto does give her an easier early laning phase considering she has to play a lot safer than most TOPLANE champs right? Or am I wrong? I'll be fine with either tbh
: Pretty sure Vlad has never taken Klepto since he needs a real keystone like Predator / Phase Rush to get deep into a fight. Can't speak for Viktor currently, but last I checked he always used other options with tossups every now and then. You could have easily made this thread about Kayle being a high abuse case rather than padding it with unnecessary cases that aren't even factual. She's indeed a problem at 16 / with Elixir of Skill abuse.
I do partially agree with you. The thing is that if vlad is against a match up that can't punish his klepto (which is a lot of match ups) he can get his scalling items faster. He scales really well into mid and late game. That's why pro players are abusing klepto vlad vs like a tank or other champs toplane. It's not that bad since you can get {{item:3152}} early which is a big power spike for vlad. Trust me it extends to more than just kayle
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