: aatrox changes are very cool thanks
I think he's in a fine spot now He can still get destroyed by champs like {{champion:122}} but has can pop off in teanfights and come back if he doesn't feed The only this is that it sucks if you die once to {{champion:24}} the lane is just over and he beats you from than on no matter what.
: I mean, you *were* Jax, who Nasus tends to counter. There's not much Jax is going to do against Nasus at any point. I do wish he had some changes, particularly to his W to make it more fair. Preferably something more interesting than just making it a skillshot, though. The +12 stacks gives you a solid way to outplay him, though. Use your stun (or just bodyblock him) to prevent him from stacking cannon, and you'll actually slow his gains by a *lot*.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5WVyiks,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-29T14:32:38.709+0000) > > I mean, you *were* Jax, who Nasus tends to counter. There's not much Jax is going to do against Nasus at any point. > > I do wish he had some changes, particularly to his W to make it more fair. Preferably something more interesting than just making it a skillshot, though. > > The +12 stacks gives you a solid way to outplay him, though. Use your stun (or just bodyblock him) to prevent him from stacking cannon, and you'll actually slow his gains by a *lot*. If I waste my counterstrike in this matchup he just withers and runs me down and I lose half my health. It's not just Jax, who the fuck counters Nasus, who can truly beat nasus with all his lifesteal and defensive runes? At best you pick an extreme early game champ and become a nonfactor at 20 mins without ever having killed him.
Rioter Comments
Quáx (NA)
: Go for extended trades with her. Her damage is very quick and she strives at going for consistent and short trades. Also, anyone with a silence destroys her, so shit like Cho or Garen destroy her.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H3Z4aAjx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:28.081+0000) > > Go for extended trades with her. Her damage is very quick and she strives at going for consistent and short trades. Also, anyone with a silence destroys her, so shit like Cho or Garen destroy her. Uh I don't think she has any problem with extended trades. She has a low cooldown spammable shield and her Q has 3 parts so she can keep doing damage. Also her synergy with conqueror and {{item:3812}} make it advantageous for her to stay in a fight. I'm pretty sure {{champion:86}} hasn't been a riven counter in a long time, she jsut shields his silence and he's screwed {{champion:31}} isn't in a good enough spot to pick
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T17:01:32.300+0000) > > Why should other champs get nerfed because riven is abusing so many items/runes? > Why can't riven just get nerfed? To be fair Shojin kinda erases the counterplay of every champ that builds it. I think it should be removed or adjusted. But Riven is able to succeed without it so nerfing her should be an option too.
> [{quoted}](name=ABadLeaguePlayer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00010000000000000004,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:40.577+0000) > > To be fair Shojin kinda erases the counterplay of every champ that builds it. I think it should be removed or adjusted. But Riven is able to succeed without it so nerfing her should be an option too. {{item:3161}} isn't even a rush item and plenty of riven mains often forgo it, the champ is busted without it.
: Who counters riven toplane?
{{champion:85}} {{champion:58}} I guess?? They counter a majority of top laners though {{champion:92}} has no true counter, every matchup can be won, she is the best top laner in the game ofc
Rioter Comments
: Oh god, I didn't expect that much Riven "mains" showing up on the boards, but by looking at the dislike ratio on OP...
> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-04-08T22:35:34.243+0000) > > Oh god, I didn't expect that much Riven "mains" showing up on the boards, but by looking at the dislike ratio on OP... yeah wtf it was at like 4 dislikes and I check back an hour later and its 20 dislikes? guess someone posted it in a discord or something
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:19:08.331+0000) > > **No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6** and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. > Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. Bold: Yeah see, now I know I'll get downvoted for this but this tells me how bad you are at the game. You KNOW she can and usually will instantly engage on you once she hits 6. You know this, thus you can create a strategy around it. Simple solution, don't be in flash Q range when she's about to hit 6. Really not rocket science. It's like hitting level 2 in bot lane before the enemy bot does. You know it's going to happen. If you let your brain AFK from the game, someone better who doesn't and remains 100% focused and is always thinking and processing will always get further than you and be better than you. Riven also gets shit on by Kennen (her number 1 counter, surprised you didn't point him out) and Poppy. Not sure how you think Poppy loses to riven post 6. Vlad is a mid and top laner and while he does have an early weakness to people who can gap close, he FAR outscales most champions in this game and can easily 1v5 entire teams once he gets 2-3 items and lands his flash ulti combo.
> [{quoted}](name=Volta1337,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-04-08T19:47:38.344+0000) > > Bold: Yeah see, now I know I'll get downvoted for this but this tells me how bad you are at the game. You KNOW she can and usually will instantly engage on you once she hits 6. You know this, thus you can create a strategy around it. Simple solution, don't be in flash Q range when she's about to hit 6. Really not rocket science. It's like hitting level 2 in bot lane before the enemy bot does. You know it's going to happen. If you let your brain AFK from the game, someone better who doesn't and remains 100% focused and is always thinking and processing will always get further than you and be better than you. > > Riven also gets shit on by Kennen (her number 1 counter, surprised you didn't point him out) and Poppy. Not sure how you think Poppy loses to riven post 6. Vlad is a mid and top laner and while he does have an early weakness to people who can gap close, he FAR outscales most champions in this game and can easily 1v5 entire teams once he gets 2-3 items and lands his flash ulti combo. haha bro yeah just don't approach the wave at all and be half her CS and down in lvls allowing her to snowball harder, that sure worked!{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Kennen counters nearly every single melee, I can think of VERY few melees that have a good time against kennen lmao Poppy bullies plenty of melees that aren't {{champion:122}} Riven can easily gapclose onto vlad and force out his pool, than vlad can't step up to even auto the wave or else he dies, if riven positions aggressively he'll be down in lvls and RIven will hit lvl 6, flash, and kill him in stunlock
Dr Dog (NA)
: rivens winrate is because of these two items {{item:3812}} {{item:3161}} she powerspikes too hard with these items and without counterplay, sure you can delay it by shitting on her but the second she hits that spike she can be 0/7 and it wont matter a bit, she used to be a snowball reliant skill based champion but these items boil her down to a ticking timebomb pick that doesnt need to know anything outside of button mashing to do well with
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:55:32.444+0000) > > rivens winrate is because of these two items {{item:3812}} {{item:3161}} she powerspikes too hard with these items and without counterplay, sure you can delay it by shitting on her but the second she hits that spike she can be 0/7 and it wont matter a bit, she used to be a snowball reliant skill based champion but these items boil her down to a ticking timebomb pick that doesnt need to know anything outside of button mashing to do well with Why should other champs get nerfed because riven is abusing so many items/runes? Why can't riven just get nerfed?
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:19:08.331+0000) > > No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6 and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. > Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. you act like it's impossible but based on the KDAs in your match history, I think you just don't know how to react If she's flashing you should flash, someone burning a sum to kill you, will likely result in you dying, like 80% of the time unless you effectively counter Tenactity and armor are both still usefull because only a small percentage of conq damage bypasses armor, and tenactiy is useful against her W. I was giving you advice because frankly not every champ is a straight 1v1 champ and many/most of them require extra thought outside of their kits to win a fight, be it positioning, poke down, forcing cooldowns, etc. based on your KDA i'm assuming you're not very methodical. I've gotten dumpstered by rivens, I've also dumpstered some very very good riven OTPs. a champion like riven is very much based on skill, game knowledge, and cooldown management with reactions. To beat her in a head on match you need to either be a fed stat check champ that takes very little skill such as yorick or kayle, or you need to be as good as that riven on a champion that has a lot of room for skill mastery to increase their effectiveness, such as Kayn (Rhaast), or zed's mobility. You can definitely win within your champ pool and even dumpster riven with those champs but you need to gain the skills required to do so. If you're losing to riven frequently with the champ pool in your recent match history then it tells me that you have some learning to do with those champs. When quinn mains, or renekton mains complain about riven it makes sense... even if we all hate quinn.... when someone plays yorick, zed, and kayn can't handle a riven then I'm sorry but it's not riven's fault
if riven is flash Wing its impossible to react. If we're gonna judge by match history you've been silver since season 5 LMAO and only play norms I started late into last season and ended s1 80something LP no time for promos I was recently gold 2 but dropped after a tilting loss streak but I'm getting back there, was nearly gold 1. You're not in a position to bring up my op.gg, you were even bronze once lol so im guessing u were low silver?
: Riven doesn't 1shot unless you're completely unaware of how she's played losing to riven means you've probably picked a stat check champion and lost lane early to her or aren't knowledgeable on how to fight her and skilled enough to beat that riven player (Assuming you're on a more skill intensive duelist champion) {{champion:266}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} are all very capable of defeating riven in their own ways, be it the easy stat checky format of Poppy or Maokai, or the more methodical Leblanc/shaco, or the "in your face" method of jayce, irelia, fiora, yasuo.
No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6 and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. Why are you posting non top laners? I'm talking about a top lane matchup, yes the jg can gank but that can win any matchup other than {{champion:420}} /{{champion:122}} lol jg isn't always gonna be babysitting {{champion:266}} autoloses after 2 items, hard outscaled, also riven can dodge sweespots {{champion:84}} even matchup, both cancer champs {{champion:164}} riven can 100 to 0 her from lvl 6 and if camille tries to farm without E up she loses half health or dies {{champion:122}} pretty sure this is an easy matchup for good rivens, only new riven players lose this {{champion:114}} 50/50 {{champion:86}} what year is this lmao? Garen isn't a riven counter anymore {{champion:39}} why would you even post this, riven hard outduels irelia from lvl 2 onwards and outscales her {{champion:126}} its jayce. {{champion:57}} he's a tank so ofc he won't die as easily, he can't stop her split though {{champion:78}} can bully riven until lvl 6 {{champion:13}} beats most melees {{champion:517}} riven wins from lvl 1 also her ult isn't good to steal {{champion:8}} you MUST be joking, riven destroys vlad she's one of his hardest counters {{champion:157}} only has the advantage lvl 2, can get 100 to 0'd when riven hits 6
Rioter Comments
: Aatrox can Get almost 100% lifesteal with certain items
why the hell would you buy {{item:3072}} on {{champion:266}} ? what a waste
: We need another mage GW item besides Morellonomicon, one that doesn't require you to finish an entire 3000 gold item before being able to counter a healing champion. Tanks have Bramble Vest, (1000g) which builds into Thornmail (2900g) ADC/AA'ers have Executioner's calling, (800g) which builds into Mortal Reminder (2800) and Mages have Morellonomicon, (3000g) which builds into nothing. We mage players don't have an initial GW item unlike every other class. Pretty obvious which champions riot likes. ({{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
Remove the magic pen from oblivion orb but keep it on morello, turn oblivion orb passive into grievous wounds.
: Learn how play this game... and above all use your brain. Build this {{item:3047}} instead {{item:3006}}. As Tryndamere you cant lose your lane against a wukong... unless you are bad (no offense).
I don't usually lsoe against him the champ os just insanely unfun to play against. Similar to nasus. Horrible design, hope they keep him in the gutter he should never be viable unless reworked.
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RAKCUS (NA)
: Seems like he is already strong based off win rate.
51% != strong Especially when he's very unpopular and mostly played by mains
Rioter Comments
Chronabis (EUNE)
: Aatrox Mains Community Post
What they did to this champ and his mains was wrong
Madsin25 (NA)
: Let's think back to before he was the worst(which is debatable as {{champion:266}}has had a lower WR). {{champion:6}} Pre-nerfs was untouchable.
{{champion:6}} was disgusting in proplay because he was the ultimate blindpick and could flex mid, there were very few hard matchups. Urgot was picked for his safety but there were better champs that excel in damage/tankiness/scalingetc. However he wasn't tier 1 in soloQ like {{champion:24}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:8}} because he had actual counters that could outduel him in lane AND outscale him such as {{champion:23}} and {{champion:114}}
: Urgot E Shield Should Last Longer
There's a a vocal minority that despise {{champion:6}} and are trying to paint him as the big bad of top when {{champion:92}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:114}} run rampant for so long. don't wanna piss the keyboard warriors off! These buffs were a good move by Riot to balance Urgot hopefully his pro play presence will be less now since he isn't as safe.
Omen46 (NA)
: he had corrupting potion start and used it all going in on the toplaner, I try to play smart, I figured the only way I could fuck this up was if he actually grabbed me and that let him stack conq, but no, he just w'd and followed me... outdamaged me, missed so many q's, got off 2 passive spider legs. I really am furious about this. I tried so hard and was playing that game so well and he just brain dead w followed me... I don't want to be salty but that's not cool when I'm even a level above him. procing execute e and everything, but yes, a lot of my damage was caught by his shield because he tried to grab me and missed, if your thinking minions I kited him into the jungle, we fought in the tri bush. It was just that w damage melting me for free, I can't top that as kindred. Why does a juggernaut need to have so much range though?
"Why does a juggernaut have so much range?" He's the shortest ranged in the game, his range is closer to Irelia's than ADCs. If he Q's you should be Qing as kindred to dodge it and make his W useless. You likely were too overconfident and wasted your mobility in which case any juggernaut would kill you there
Moody P (NA)
: Urgot is overtuned
He just came back from being literally the worst top laner in the game by far Give the guy a break, shit like {{champion:92}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} is still allowed to run rampant and destroy games. Plus{{champion:6}}'s counters are much more apparent in soloQ than proplay, a prime example being {{champion:23}}
: I think it's time for an honor progress bar. (or some sort of progress indicator)
I got unfairly reported in October and sent from honor 3 to honor 0/ I play this game plenty and I only just hit honor 1 checkpoint 2 a few days ago, progression is way too slow and easy to fuck up.
: Is it that much to ask for Varus and Aatrox to be improved? Regardless how it's done...
{{champion:266}} is an absolute mess atm. Riot told us to wait a month for buffs than pulled back on them last second LMAO. Balance team only cares about what sells, that's why {{champion:92}} will be left untouched at least until her new skin comes out.
: Isn't he still getting those changes regarding his Fury and how it will give him 50% Crit chance at max in comparison to the current live value of 35%? Don't remember all the details, but I thought that and some other things were happening, or were at least, in discussion for him.
He got it but it didn't solve his issues. Ult needs reduced cooldown at all ranks and E AP ratio needs to be completely removed/significantly decreased so they can lower its CD by 1 second at each rank
: Or we could you know. Fucking gut riven.
I would like this too.
Rioter Comments
GigglesO (NA)
: Why aren't we nerfing Riven, Vayne, Zed.
First two? Yes 100% without a doubt. Zed? He has far more counterplay than the other two, assassins get a lot of hate but the champ is unironically fine. If you build seekers and play smart even the best Zed's can't kill you and will fall off.
Gilgayu (NA)
: Ovenaas the Frozen-Darkin
Way too team oriented when he'd probably be played top and support, needs more agency to sololane Also I think he should scale off AP
wizyD (NA)
: WHY IS S9 SO HARD?!!
Really? Climbing seems much easier now I was hardstuck in silver 1 last season which was my first season and this season I placed silver 3 and climbed to gold 2 pretty easily, hoping to hit plat this month {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} Silver 1 was so much harder to escape than gold
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=pb8rAKVk,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-03-14T23:39:18.550+0000) > > What do you dislike about {{champion:6}} ? > He's honestly been my favorite champ in the game since his rework This isnt the champion I earned 241k Mastery points on or got my M7 on. In fact urgot is a totally different class than this new champion
With the minirework hitting live soon he'll be built much more like a carry like old urgot
: {{champion:6}} I have 241k points on a champ I'll never play again{{champion:6}}
What do you dislike about {{champion:6}} ? He's honestly been my favorite champ in the game since his rework
Rioter Comments
: What are your thoughts on the Aatrox Rework and the current state of Aatrox?
Failed rework, apart from his new look it was an absolute disaster
Áery (NA)
: Repertoir on Riven “Frustration over her current state seems to be an especially western phenomenon.
AIDs champ that will never get touched because too many people play her and will bitch and moan when she gets the nerf she deserves. Gotta sell those skins, amirite? xD. I guess its back to permabanning her.
: LOL what? Are you new to the game?
Don't talk about what you don't know, look at the 3 links I posted. They LOSE more money from esports than they make.
: Who told you that? There's no way Riot would keep doing it if it wasn't profitable
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9aqbes/riot_is_cutting_back_budget_on_esports/e4y4som/ https://esportsobserver.com/lcs-isnt-profitable-riot-doesnt-want-profitable/ https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-09-06-the-fact-is-that-most-league-of-legends-teams-lose-money
: >Why is the game balanced around 0.000001% of players? Becauuse those 0.000001% are the ones making them currency bud
Esports is operated at a loss They don't profit off of it
Naalith (NA)
: We need a redistribution of balance in this country, the working man has been the slave to the pro mlg man for far too long.
Now you're speaking my language comrade!{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Rioter Comments
: How does one deal with Pantheon?
not even kiddiing you just don't die if your jg ganks once he's beyond screwed and will be desperate for kills The best way to tilt a pantheon is to know his damage and never feed him Sometimes I take ignite as {{champion:24}} and just solokill him lvl 3 or lvl 6
Aargus (EUNE)
: Aatrox
Buff his base stats to compete with other juggernauts Buff his healing to Rhaast levels Buff his base damages so he doesn't have to build like Riven just to have less damage than her and be less tanky, maybe nerf his ratios to balance it out Riot will never do these things though, they'll let him die{{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}}
Fraione (EUW)
: Jump back (15 sec) in replays was better before patches
I can't view my highlights in the highlight folder after 9.1 The files are unreadable unless I run them through VLC
: Canceled. Currently still assessing him. Makes sense since his kit is more volatile towards changes than his previous self that required several to do be decent. Turns out having all the damage on one spell that does even more bonus damage on top of cc is not a good idea sometimes.
Maybe they should replace the 3rd Q with his original Q, Dark Flight Regardless, he needs buffs to base stats/base damage
Rioter Comments
: No wonder Aatrox is suicidal
{{champion:266}} needs these buffs, anything else won't get to the real issues of the champ: 1. Increase base stats to compete with other juggernauts {{champion:86}} , {{champion:122}} ,{{champion:83}} 2. Increase healing to be like Rhaast 3.Increase base damages so he isn't forced to build nearly full damage to be useful, maybe lower scalings to balance that out
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