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Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sWKqwvrG,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2019-09-05T15:30:29.152+0000) > > "Waaaah I build seekers than full AP, why is he able to kill me even though he built full damage!?! My half item buy should completely invalidate him from ever killing me!" Im talking about lvl 6 zed.
You main the most broken midlaner in the game, you have no right to complain
musixxal (EUW)
: -a game -not being a waste of time ok pick one, you can't have both. and don't point me to the professional shit that's also a waste of time across all strata, we could be in andromeda already but we're here waiting to see if ronaldo or messi can win the big one, whatever that means.
Hmm maybe waste of time was the wrong phrase. This game is an addiction, I see so many hardstuck silver/gold players that have been playing this shit for years and made multiple accounts and it's just sad. It's like a junkie crawling back to their dealer or an abusive relationship. I used to love this game but they will never improve it they'll just cater to the Eastern market and make prestige skins every few weeks and sell passes and buff cancer like {{champion:420}}{{champion:24}} and refuse to nerf shit that's been broken S+ tier freelo for months like {{champion:103}} {{champion:222}} My life has improved so much in such a short time after not playing this shit.
Ahris (NA)
: Riot needs to increase the value of armor. If zed can burst me down even when I have seekers, it is pretty much dumb.
"Waaaah I build seekers than full AP, why is he able to kill me even though he built full damage!?! My half item buy should completely invalidate him from ever killing me!"
Rioter Comments
: Riven just feels like she can get 2 kills at lvl 3 and completely out scale everyone.
Yes Riven is broken but this post doesn't address why she's broken, if anything this delegitimizes people who argue riven is broken.
: Ping problems? (Florida?)
I usually get 42 but if I go to an internet cafe in my city I get 32, maybe its my provider?
Rioter Comments
: Level 2 ganks ruin top lane
Top lane doesn't matter anymore, the better player no longer wins top. Top lane is decided off who picks second and who's jungler bothers to gank. I hate it when I get no ganks, enemy jg camps me, and every lane still loses. How the fuck does that happen??
: Plat is the new Silver
I don't think this holds weight coming from a multi season bronze
: I understood that My logic is you said a contradiction Never playing ranked before and playing ranked last season are two different things The first implies that you have had 0 previous ranked experience in any fashion, thus going in blind the second implies you have some (if even rather minimal) previous ranked experience you see why I said what I did. im not trying to be rude, or seem toxic/troll im just going off what you have told me and deducted that there was a contradiction in your statement because they were two opposites
I mean, I did go in blind last season.
: you just contradicted yourself never played ranked but also played ranked in oct last year aside from that; i'd say that's pretty good
To put it in as clear wording as possible: I picked up this game late July/early August of 2018 Was playing bots and normals until I had the levels/champs to play ranked in the fall. Ended silver 1 my first season but could got gold if I didn't have too much schoolwork. Started silver 3 this season and peaked plat 3 100LP
: never played ranked before first year? depending on when you started and how long it took you i'd say its really good to decently good/above adverage
Never played ranked at all. Went into the game blind last week of July/early August of 2018. Only started playing ranked when I hit lvl 30 or 20? in October. I started this season silver 3 and peaked at plat 3 100LP(failed plat 2 promos)
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: Hash does bring up a good point.
I just hit plat maining top lane, it's rough probably the roughest role in the game but it's the only role that really appeals to me, and the same for a lot of people. Top mains are probably the most dedicated out of any role.
: He's not. He's regular A tier cancer.
As a former Urgot onetrick, its hard to accept your champ is broken, it was hard for me too, but I stayed strong and diversified my champ pool and I'm better for it.
: The fact that you think {{item:3211}} is an issue (not even actually SV) on him shows that you simply don't know how to play against him. Literally just all in him after forcing his W at any point before 20 minutes and you beat him.
Yes {{item:3065}} is bad on Vlad but don't act like Vlad isn't broken S+ tier cancer, it's dishonest.
Sillae (NA)
: holy hell the rank shaming is real with this one
What's wrong with basing someone's opinions off their performance? I wouldn't say I'm good at all, I'm hardstuck gold 1 and can't win my plat promos. Ofc I'll value the advice of a diamond player more than that of another gold player. Imagine feeling bad that someone is making a rational conclusion given your low success at the game.
: I've been playing this game since season 2, I own and have laned as and against every champion in the game, and have mained every role over the years. I also spent a large portion of last season as a Tryndamere OTP, though I was just hyped from watching fogged videos and thought he would carry me to Gold, and he isn't really my style. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=will+of+noxus I didn't start playing ranked until season 4, but as you can tell from my summoner icon (which hasn't updated here on the boards for some reason) I am telling the truth about when I started (Holiday Nashor is only owned by players who played during the 2012 holiday season, and achieved top 20% in the behavior system of the time) That said, I've played Kat in top lane against {{champion:266}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:157}} I have a video currently posted in the "Streams & Videos" section here on the boards that shows how to beat Garen in lane as Katarina, as well as some 1v4 / 1v5 plays, counter dives, etc. You know, if you want to base your opinion of me on more than ignorance. There are some I haven't matched against, and some that I dodge if I see, such as {{champion:516}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:223}} It's cute how you think you know everything there is to know about a person's game knowledge compared to yours based entirely on their rank, without taking any other factors into consideration, though. OH YEAH! I almost forgot, if you look here: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/katarina/na/Will+of+Noxus You'll see that I'm in the top 14% of Katarina mains in the world based on mastery level and overall performance. Idk what that means, is that good? According to this: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution it means I play at a mid-plat 4 level... What's your rank again? You know, that metric you decided to judge me by? Oh geez I forgot. I'm sorry. Oh wait, this is the part where I'm supposed to drop the mic right? :P
If you were good at Katarina you wouldn't be stuck in gold after 7 years, I was 12 when you started playing lmao. Fucking lmao at this dude going to random sites giving him useless data and using it to pad his ego. Your elo compared to years played speak for themselves.
TehNACHO (NA)
: You guys ever have that one champion that you're really good with
Nasus feels absolutely broken but is a snoozefest, Jax too.
: If Nasus can afford Sheen by lv 6 either you or your jungler are doing something wrong...
> [{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-30T00:24:03.809+0000) > > If Nasus can afford Sheen by lv 6 either you or your jungler are doing something wrong... Bruh ur gold4 and don't even main top. When's the last time you laned against a Nasus? Some of these comments are great reminders why I left this site, a bunch of silvers lecturing you about roles they don't even play.
: Laning against Nasus is all about wave control and vision denial. He lacks any form of mobility and is very vulnerable to ganks early game.
> [{quoted}](name=skills of luck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-30T00:00:44.040+0000) > > Laning against Nasus is all about wave control and vision denial. He lacks any form of mobility and is very vulnerable to ganks early game. You're the only one here that's a high elo but you main pantheon, it's easy to say that he's very exploitable when you're playing one of if not the biggest lane bully in the game. Most of us don't play panth. I played a game of Garen versus him and controlled the wave but it didn't matter since my jungler wouldn't gank and taking any trades versus him pushed the wave.
: {{champion:240}} now has 60% healing reduction on his Q. Teach that durn trespasser a lesson!
> [{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T23:51:32.652+0000) > > {{champion:240}} now has 60% healing reduction on his Q. Teach that durn trespasser a lesson! Yep {{champion:240}} and {{champion:122}} are probably the best Nasus counters. Nasus still outscales them by lvl 6 and sheen though.
Zardo (NA)
: >It's impossible to bully Nasus out on most champions with the buffs to his passive sustain last year. You have to pick a dedicated lane bully like Darius or else he can't be killed. He'll come back with armor and be even more unkillable than run you down at lvl 6. The counter to nasus is proper wave management to the point where he can't approach the wave without getting blasted.
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-29T23:54:19.495+0000) > > You have to pick a dedicated lane bully like Darius or else he can't be killed. He'll come back with armor and be even more unkillable than run you down at lvl 6. > > The counter to nasus is proper wave management to the point where he can't approach the wave without getting blasted. People say this, but when you're playing a champ that isn't an auto attacker it's VERY difficult and to freeze the wave. Also if you fight him minions aggro you and it pushes to him which makes it in his favor to attack him since he'll just heal that damage up in a second. If his healing wasn't so high this wouldn't be that bad.
Rioter Comments
: aatrox changes are very cool thanks
I think he's in a fine spot now He can still get destroyed by champs like {{champion:122}} but has can pop off in teanfights and come back if he doesn't feed The only this is that it sucks if you die once to {{champion:24}} the lane is just over and he beats you from than on no matter what.
: I mean, you *were* Jax, who Nasus tends to counter. There's not much Jax is going to do against Nasus at any point. I do wish he had some changes, particularly to his W to make it more fair. Preferably something more interesting than just making it a skillshot, though. The +12 stacks gives you a solid way to outplay him, though. Use your stun (or just bodyblock him) to prevent him from stacking cannon, and you'll actually slow his gains by a *lot*.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5WVyiks,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-29T14:32:38.709+0000) > > I mean, you *were* Jax, who Nasus tends to counter. There's not much Jax is going to do against Nasus at any point. > > I do wish he had some changes, particularly to his W to make it more fair. Preferably something more interesting than just making it a skillshot, though. > > The +12 stacks gives you a solid way to outplay him, though. Use your stun (or just bodyblock him) to prevent him from stacking cannon, and you'll actually slow his gains by a *lot*. If I waste my counterstrike in this matchup he just withers and runs me down and I lose half my health. It's not just Jax, who the fuck counters Nasus, who can truly beat nasus with all his lifesteal and defensive runes? At best you pick an extreme early game champ and become a nonfactor at 20 mins without ever having killed him.
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Quáx (NA)
: Go for extended trades with her. Her damage is very quick and she strives at going for consistent and short trades. Also, anyone with a silence destroys her, so shit like Cho or Garen destroy her.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H3Z4aAjx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:28.081+0000) > > Go for extended trades with her. Her damage is very quick and she strives at going for consistent and short trades. Also, anyone with a silence destroys her, so shit like Cho or Garen destroy her. Uh I don't think she has any problem with extended trades. She has a low cooldown spammable shield and her Q has 3 parts so she can keep doing damage. Also her synergy with conqueror and {{item:3812}} make it advantageous for her to stay in a fight. I'm pretty sure {{champion:86}} hasn't been a riven counter in a long time, she jsut shields his silence and he's screwed {{champion:31}} isn't in a good enough spot to pick
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T17:01:32.300+0000) > > Why should other champs get nerfed because riven is abusing so many items/runes? > Why can't riven just get nerfed? To be fair Shojin kinda erases the counterplay of every champ that builds it. I think it should be removed or adjusted. But Riven is able to succeed without it so nerfing her should be an option too.
> [{quoted}](name=ABadLeaguePlayer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00010000000000000004,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:40.577+0000) > > To be fair Shojin kinda erases the counterplay of every champ that builds it. I think it should be removed or adjusted. But Riven is able to succeed without it so nerfing her should be an option too. {{item:3161}} isn't even a rush item and plenty of riven mains often forgo it, the champ is busted without it.
: Who counters riven toplane?
{{champion:85}} {{champion:58}} I guess?? They counter a majority of top laners though {{champion:92}} has no true counter, every matchup can be won, she is the best top laner in the game ofc
Rioter Comments
: Oh god, I didn't expect that much Riven "mains" showing up on the boards, but by looking at the dislike ratio on OP...
> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-04-08T22:35:34.243+0000) > > Oh god, I didn't expect that much Riven "mains" showing up on the boards, but by looking at the dislike ratio on OP... yeah wtf it was at like 4 dislikes and I check back an hour later and its 20 dislikes? guess someone posted it in a discord or something
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:19:08.331+0000) > > **No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6** and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. > Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. Bold: Yeah see, now I know I'll get downvoted for this but this tells me how bad you are at the game. You KNOW she can and usually will instantly engage on you once she hits 6. You know this, thus you can create a strategy around it. Simple solution, don't be in flash Q range when she's about to hit 6. Really not rocket science. It's like hitting level 2 in bot lane before the enemy bot does. You know it's going to happen. If you let your brain AFK from the game, someone better who doesn't and remains 100% focused and is always thinking and processing will always get further than you and be better than you. Riven also gets shit on by Kennen (her number 1 counter, surprised you didn't point him out) and Poppy. Not sure how you think Poppy loses to riven post 6. Vlad is a mid and top laner and while he does have an early weakness to people who can gap close, he FAR outscales most champions in this game and can easily 1v5 entire teams once he gets 2-3 items and lands his flash ulti combo.
> [{quoted}](name=Volta1337,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-04-08T19:47:38.344+0000) > > Bold: Yeah see, now I know I'll get downvoted for this but this tells me how bad you are at the game. You KNOW she can and usually will instantly engage on you once she hits 6. You know this, thus you can create a strategy around it. Simple solution, don't be in flash Q range when she's about to hit 6. Really not rocket science. It's like hitting level 2 in bot lane before the enemy bot does. You know it's going to happen. If you let your brain AFK from the game, someone better who doesn't and remains 100% focused and is always thinking and processing will always get further than you and be better than you. > > Riven also gets shit on by Kennen (her number 1 counter, surprised you didn't point him out) and Poppy. Not sure how you think Poppy loses to riven post 6. Vlad is a mid and top laner and while he does have an early weakness to people who can gap close, he FAR outscales most champions in this game and can easily 1v5 entire teams once he gets 2-3 items and lands his flash ulti combo. haha bro yeah just don't approach the wave at all and be half her CS and down in lvls allowing her to snowball harder, that sure worked!{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Kennen counters nearly every single melee, I can think of VERY few melees that have a good time against kennen lmao Poppy bullies plenty of melees that aren't {{champion:122}} Riven can easily gapclose onto vlad and force out his pool, than vlad can't step up to even auto the wave or else he dies, if riven positions aggressively he'll be down in lvls and RIven will hit lvl 6, flash, and kill him in stunlock
Dr Dog (NA)
: rivens winrate is because of these two items {{item:3812}} {{item:3161}} she powerspikes too hard with these items and without counterplay, sure you can delay it by shitting on her but the second she hits that spike she can be 0/7 and it wont matter a bit, she used to be a snowball reliant skill based champion but these items boil her down to a ticking timebomb pick that doesnt need to know anything outside of button mashing to do well with
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:55:32.444+0000) > > rivens winrate is because of these two items {{item:3812}} {{item:3161}} she powerspikes too hard with these items and without counterplay, sure you can delay it by shitting on her but the second she hits that spike she can be 0/7 and it wont matter a bit, she used to be a snowball reliant skill based champion but these items boil her down to a ticking timebomb pick that doesnt need to know anything outside of button mashing to do well with Why should other champs get nerfed because riven is abusing so many items/runes? Why can't riven just get nerfed?
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:19:08.331+0000) > > No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6 and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. > Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. you act like it's impossible but based on the KDAs in your match history, I think you just don't know how to react If she's flashing you should flash, someone burning a sum to kill you, will likely result in you dying, like 80% of the time unless you effectively counter Tenactity and armor are both still usefull because only a small percentage of conq damage bypasses armor, and tenactiy is useful against her W. I was giving you advice because frankly not every champ is a straight 1v1 champ and many/most of them require extra thought outside of their kits to win a fight, be it positioning, poke down, forcing cooldowns, etc. based on your KDA i'm assuming you're not very methodical. I've gotten dumpstered by rivens, I've also dumpstered some very very good riven OTPs. a champion like riven is very much based on skill, game knowledge, and cooldown management with reactions. To beat her in a head on match you need to either be a fed stat check champ that takes very little skill such as yorick or kayle, or you need to be as good as that riven on a champion that has a lot of room for skill mastery to increase their effectiveness, such as Kayn (Rhaast), or zed's mobility. You can definitely win within your champ pool and even dumpster riven with those champs but you need to gain the skills required to do so. If you're losing to riven frequently with the champ pool in your recent match history then it tells me that you have some learning to do with those champs. When quinn mains, or renekton mains complain about riven it makes sense... even if we all hate quinn.... when someone plays yorick, zed, and kayn can't handle a riven then I'm sorry but it's not riven's fault
if riven is flash Wing its impossible to react. If we're gonna judge by match history you've been silver since season 5 LMAO and only play norms I started late into last season and ended s1 80something LP no time for promos I was recently gold 2 but dropped after a tilting loss streak but I'm getting back there, was nearly gold 1. You're not in a position to bring up my op.gg, you were even bronze once lol so im guessing u were low silver?
: Riven doesn't 1shot unless you're completely unaware of how she's played losing to riven means you've probably picked a stat check champion and lost lane early to her or aren't knowledgeable on how to fight her and skilled enough to beat that riven player (Assuming you're on a more skill intensive duelist champion) {{champion:266}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} are all very capable of defeating riven in their own ways, be it the easy stat checky format of Poppy or Maokai, or the more methodical Leblanc/shaco, or the "in your face" method of jayce, irelia, fiora, yasuo.
No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6 and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up. Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made. Why are you posting non top laners? I'm talking about a top lane matchup, yes the jg can gank but that can win any matchup other than {{champion:420}} /{{champion:122}} lol jg isn't always gonna be babysitting {{champion:266}} autoloses after 2 items, hard outscaled, also riven can dodge sweespots {{champion:84}} even matchup, both cancer champs {{champion:164}} riven can 100 to 0 her from lvl 6 and if camille tries to farm without E up she loses half health or dies {{champion:122}} pretty sure this is an easy matchup for good rivens, only new riven players lose this {{champion:114}} 50/50 {{champion:86}} what year is this lmao? Garen isn't a riven counter anymore {{champion:39}} why would you even post this, riven hard outduels irelia from lvl 2 onwards and outscales her {{champion:126}} its jayce. {{champion:57}} he's a tank so ofc he won't die as easily, he can't stop her split though {{champion:78}} can bully riven until lvl 6 {{champion:13}} beats most melees {{champion:517}} riven wins from lvl 1 also her ult isn't good to steal {{champion:8}} you MUST be joking, riven destroys vlad she's one of his hardest counters {{champion:157}} only has the advantage lvl 2, can get 100 to 0'd when riven hits 6
Rioter Comments
: Aatrox can Get almost 100% lifesteal with certain items
why the hell would you buy {{item:3072}} on {{champion:266}} ? what a waste
: We need another mage GW item besides Morellonomicon, one that doesn't require you to finish an entire 3000 gold item before being able to counter a healing champion. Tanks have Bramble Vest, (1000g) which builds into Thornmail (2900g) ADC/AA'ers have Executioner's calling, (800g) which builds into Mortal Reminder (2800) and Mages have Morellonomicon, (3000g) which builds into nothing. We mage players don't have an initial GW item unlike every other class. Pretty obvious which champions riot likes. ({{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
Remove the magic pen from oblivion orb but keep it on morello, turn oblivion orb passive into grievous wounds.
: Learn how play this game... and above all use your brain. Build this {{item:3047}} instead {{item:3006}}. As Tryndamere you cant lose your lane against a wukong... unless you are bad (no offense).
I don't usually lsoe against him the champ os just insanely unfun to play against. Similar to nasus. Horrible design, hope they keep him in the gutter he should never be viable unless reworked.
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RAKCUS (NA)
: Seems like he is already strong based off win rate.
51% != strong Especially when he's very unpopular and mostly played by mains
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Chronabis (EUNE)
: Aatrox Mains Community Post
What they did to this champ and his mains was wrong
Madsin25 (NA)
: Let's think back to before he was the worst(which is debatable as {{champion:266}}has had a lower WR). {{champion:6}} Pre-nerfs was untouchable.
{{champion:6}} was disgusting in proplay because he was the ultimate blindpick and could flex mid, there were very few hard matchups. Urgot was picked for his safety but there were better champs that excel in damage/tankiness/scalingetc. However he wasn't tier 1 in soloQ like {{champion:24}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:8}} because he had actual counters that could outduel him in lane AND outscale him such as {{champion:23}} and {{champion:114}}
: Urgot E Shield Should Last Longer
There's a a vocal minority that despise {{champion:6}} and are trying to paint him as the big bad of top when {{champion:92}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:114}} run rampant for so long. don't wanna piss the keyboard warriors off! These buffs were a good move by Riot to balance Urgot hopefully his pro play presence will be less now since he isn't as safe.
Omen46 (NA)
: he had corrupting potion start and used it all going in on the toplaner, I try to play smart, I figured the only way I could fuck this up was if he actually grabbed me and that let him stack conq, but no, he just w'd and followed me... outdamaged me, missed so many q's, got off 2 passive spider legs. I really am furious about this. I tried so hard and was playing that game so well and he just brain dead w followed me... I don't want to be salty but that's not cool when I'm even a level above him. procing execute e and everything, but yes, a lot of my damage was caught by his shield because he tried to grab me and missed, if your thinking minions I kited him into the jungle, we fought in the tri bush. It was just that w damage melting me for free, I can't top that as kindred. Why does a juggernaut need to have so much range though?
"Why does a juggernaut have so much range?" He's the shortest ranged in the game, his range is closer to Irelia's than ADCs. If he Q's you should be Qing as kindred to dodge it and make his W useless. You likely were too overconfident and wasted your mobility in which case any juggernaut would kill you there
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