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You main the most broken midlaner in the game, you have no right to complain
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Hmm maybe waste of time was the wrong phrase. This game is an addiction, I see so many hardstuck silver/gold players that have been playing this shit for years and made multiple accounts and it's just sad.
It's like a junkie crawling back to their dealer or an abusive relationship. I used to love this game but they will never improve it they'll just cater to the Eastern market and make prestige skins every few weeks and sell passes and buff cancer like {{champion:420}}{{champion:24}} and refuse to nerf shit that's been broken S+ tier freelo for months like {{champion:103}} {{champion:222}}
My life has improved so much in such a short time after not playing this shit.
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"Waaaah I build seekers than full AP, why is he able to kill me even though he built full damage!?! My half item buy should completely invalidate him from ever killing me!"
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Yes Riven is broken but this post doesn't address why she's broken, if anything this delegitimizes people who argue riven is broken.
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I usually get 42 but if I go to an internet cafe in my city I get 32, maybe its my provider?
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Top lane doesn't matter anymore, the better player no longer wins top.
Top lane is decided off who picks second and who's jungler bothers to gank.
I hate it when I get no ganks, enemy jg camps me, and every lane still loses. How the fuck does that happen??
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I don't think this holds weight coming from a multi season bronze
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I mean, I did go in blind last season.
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To put it in as clear wording as possible:
I picked up this game late July/early August of 2018
Was playing bots and normals until I had the levels/champs to play ranked in the fall.
Ended silver 1 my first season but could got gold if I didn't have too much schoolwork.
Started silver 3 this season and peaked plat 3 100LP
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Never played ranked at all.
Went into the game blind last week of July/early August of 2018. Only started playing ranked when I hit lvl 30 or 20? in October.
I started this season silver 3 and peaked at plat 3 100LP(failed plat 2 promos)
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I just hit plat maining top lane, it's rough probably the roughest role in the game but it's the only role that really appeals to me, and the same for a lot of people.
Top mains are probably the most dedicated out of any role.
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As a former Urgot onetrick, its hard to accept your champ is broken, it was hard for me too, but I stayed strong and diversified my champ pool and I'm better for it.
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Yes {{item:3065}} is bad on Vlad but don't act like Vlad isn't broken S+ tier cancer, it's dishonest.
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What's wrong with basing someone's opinions off their performance?
I wouldn't say I'm good at all, I'm hardstuck gold 1 and can't win my plat promos. Ofc I'll value the advice of a diamond player more than that of another gold player.
Imagine feeling bad that someone is making a rational conclusion given your low success at the game.
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If you were good at Katarina you wouldn't be stuck in gold after 7 years, I was 12 when you started playing lmao.
Fucking lmao at this dude going to random sites giving him useless data and using it to pad his ego. Your elo compared to years played speak for themselves.
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Nasus feels absolutely broken but is a snoozefest, Jax too.
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> [{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-30T00:24:03.809+0000)
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> If Nasus can afford Sheen by lv 6 either you or your jungler are doing something wrong...
Bruh ur gold4 and don't even main top.
When's the last time you laned against a Nasus?
Some of these comments are great reminders why I left this site, a bunch of silvers lecturing you about roles they don't even play.
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> [{quoted}](name=skills of luck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-30T00:00:44.040+0000)
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> Laning against Nasus is all about wave control and vision denial. He lacks any form of mobility and is very vulnerable to ganks early game.
You're the only one here that's a high elo but you main pantheon, it's easy to say that he's very exploitable when you're playing one of if not the biggest lane bully in the game. Most of us don't play panth. I played a game of Garen versus him and controlled the wave but it didn't matter since my jungler wouldn't gank and taking any trades versus him pushed the wave.
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> [{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T23:51:32.652+0000)
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> {{champion:240}} now has 60% healing reduction on his Q. Teach that durn trespasser a lesson!
Yep {{champion:240}} and {{champion:122}} are probably the best Nasus counters. Nasus still outscales them by lvl 6 and sheen though.
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> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wl12pAdl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-29T23:54:19.495+0000)
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> You have to pick a dedicated lane bully like Darius or else he can't be killed. He'll come back with armor and be even more unkillable than run you down at lvl 6.
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> The counter to nasus is proper wave management to the point where he can't approach the wave without getting blasted.
People say this, but when you're playing a champ that isn't an auto attacker it's VERY difficult and to freeze the wave. Also if you fight him minions aggro you and it pushes to him which makes it in his favor to attack him since he'll just heal that damage up in a second. If his healing wasn't so high this wouldn't be that bad.
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I think he's in a fine spot now
He can still get destroyed by champs like {{champion:122}} but has can pop off in teanfights and come back if he doesn't feed
The only this is that it sucks if you die once to {{champion:24}} the lane is just over and he beats you from than on no matter what.
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> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=F5WVyiks,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-29T14:32:38.709+0000)
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> I mean, you *were* Jax, who Nasus tends to counter. There's not much Jax is going to do against Nasus at any point.
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> I do wish he had some changes, particularly to his W to make it more fair. Preferably something more interesting than just making it a skillshot, though.
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> The +12 stacks gives you a solid way to outplay him, though. Use your stun (or just bodyblock him) to prevent him from stacking cannon, and you'll actually slow his gains by a *lot*.
If I waste my counterstrike in this matchup he just withers and runs me down and I lose half my health. It's not just Jax, who the fuck counters Nasus, who can truly beat nasus with all his lifesteal and defensive runes? At best you pick an extreme early game champ and become a nonfactor at 20 mins without ever having killed him.
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> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H3Z4aAjx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:28.081+0000)
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> Go for extended trades with her. Her damage is very quick and she strives at going for consistent and short trades. Also, anyone with a silence destroys her, so shit like Cho or Garen destroy her.
Uh I don't think she has any problem with extended trades.
She has a low cooldown spammable shield and her Q has 3 parts so she can keep doing damage.
Also her synergy with conqueror and {{item:3812}} make it advantageous for her to stay in a fight.
I'm pretty sure {{champion:86}} hasn't been a riven counter in a long time, she jsut shields his silence and he's screwed
{{champion:31}} isn't in a good enough spot to pick
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> [{quoted}](name=ABadLeaguePlayer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=00010000000000000004,timestamp=2019-04-09T17:36:40.577+0000)
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> To be fair Shojin kinda erases the counterplay of every champ that builds it. I think it should be removed or adjusted. But Riven is able to succeed without it so nerfing her should be an option too.
{{item:3161}} isn't even a rush item and plenty of riven mains often forgo it, the champ is busted without it.
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{{champion:85}} {{champion:58}} I guess??
They counter a majority of top laners though
{{champion:92}} has no true counter, every matchup can be won, she is the best top laner in the game ofc
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> [{quoted}](name=PaffWasTaken,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-04-08T22:35:34.243+0000)
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> Oh god, I didn't expect that much Riven "mains" showing up on the boards, but by looking at the dislike ratio on OP...
yeah wtf it was at like 4 dislikes and I check back an hour later and its 20 dislikes?
guess someone posted it in a discord or something
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> [{quoted}](name=Volta1337,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-04-08T19:47:38.344+0000)
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> Bold: Yeah see, now I know I'll get downvoted for this but this tells me how bad you are at the game. You KNOW she can and usually will instantly engage on you once she hits 6. You know this, thus you can create a strategy around it. Simple solution, don't be in flash Q range when she's about to hit 6. Really not rocket science. It's like hitting level 2 in bot lane before the enemy bot does. You know it's going to happen. If you let your brain AFK from the game, someone better who doesn't and remains 100% focused and is always thinking and processing will always get further than you and be better than you.
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> Riven also gets shit on by Kennen (her number 1 counter, surprised you didn't point him out) and Poppy. Not sure how you think Poppy loses to riven post 6. Vlad is a mid and top laner and while he does have an early weakness to people who can gap close, he FAR outscales most champions in this game and can easily 1v5 entire teams once he gets 2-3 items and lands his flash ulti combo.
haha bro yeah just don't approach the wave at all and be half her CS and down in lvls allowing her to snowball harder, that sure worked!{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Kennen counters nearly every single melee, I can think of VERY few melees that have a good time against kennen lmao
Poppy bullies plenty of melees that aren't {{champion:122}}
Riven can easily gapclose onto vlad and force out his pool, than vlad can't step up to even auto the wave or else he dies, if riven positions aggressively he'll be down in lvls and RIven will hit lvl 6, flash, and kill him in stunlock
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> [{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjkUwENn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T16:55:32.444+0000)
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> rivens winrate is because of these two items {{item:3812}} {{item:3161}} she powerspikes too hard with these items and without counterplay, sure you can delay it by shitting on her but the second she hits that spike she can be 0/7 and it wont matter a bit, she used to be a snowball reliant skill based champion but these items boil her down to a ticking timebomb pick that doesnt need to know anything outside of button mashing to do well with
Why should other champs get nerfed because riven is abusing so many items/runes?
Why can't riven just get nerfed?
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if riven is flash Wing its impossible to react.
If we're gonna judge by match history you've been silver since season 5 LMAO and only play norms
I started late into last season and ended s1 80something LP no time for promos I was recently gold 2 but dropped after a tilting loss streak but I'm getting back there, was nearly gold 1.
You're not in a position to bring up my op.gg, you were even bronze once lol so im guessing u were low silver?
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No, Riven can flash on you as soon as she hits lvl 6 and can kill non-tanks in a rotation while stunlocking you with W and her knock-up.
Stop making assumptions about me and respond to the points I made.
Why are you posting non top laners? I'm talking about a top lane matchup, yes the jg can gank but that can win any matchup other than {{champion:420}} /{{champion:122}} lol
jg isn't always gonna be babysitting
{{champion:266}} autoloses after 2 items, hard outscaled, also riven can dodge sweespots
{{champion:84}} even matchup, both cancer champs
{{champion:164}} riven can 100 to 0 her from lvl 6 and if camille tries to farm without E up she loses half health or dies
{{champion:122}} pretty sure this is an easy matchup for good rivens, only new riven players lose this
{{champion:114}} 50/50
{{champion:86}} what year is this lmao? Garen isn't a riven counter anymore
{{champion:39}} why would you even post this, riven hard outduels irelia from lvl 2 onwards and outscales her
{{champion:126}} its jayce.
{{champion:57}} he's a tank so ofc he won't die as easily, he can't stop her split though
{{champion:78}} can bully riven until lvl 6
{{champion:13}} beats most melees
{{champion:517}} riven wins from lvl 1 also her ult isn't good to steal
{{champion:8}} you MUST be joking, riven destroys vlad she's one of his hardest counters
{{champion:157}} only has the advantage lvl 2, can get 100 to 0'd when riven hits 6
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why the hell would you buy {{item:3072}} on {{champion:266}} ?
what a waste
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Remove the magic pen from oblivion orb but keep it on morello, turn oblivion orb passive into grievous wounds.
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I don't usually lsoe against him the champ os just insanely unfun to play against. Similar to nasus. Horrible design, hope they keep him in the gutter he should never be viable unless reworked.
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51% != strong
Especially when he's very unpopular and mostly played by mains
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What they did to this champ and his mains was wrong
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{{champion:6}} was disgusting in proplay because he was the ultimate blindpick and could flex mid, there were very few hard matchups. Urgot was picked for his safety but there were better champs that excel in damage/tankiness/scalingetc.
However he wasn't tier 1 in soloQ like {{champion:24}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:8}} because he had actual counters that could outduel him in lane AND outscale him such as {{champion:23}} and {{champion:114}}
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There's a a vocal minority that despise {{champion:6}} and are trying to paint him as the big bad of top when {{champion:92}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:114}} run rampant for so long.
don't wanna piss the keyboard warriors off!
These buffs were a good move by Riot to balance Urgot hopefully his pro play presence will be less now since he isn't as safe.
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"Why does a juggernaut have so much range?"
He's the shortest ranged in the game, his range is closer to Irelia's than ADCs.
If he Q's you should be Qing as kindred to dodge it and make his W useless.
You likely were too overconfident and wasted your mobility in which case any juggernaut would kill you there
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