Riddarn (EUNE)
: Riot removed the ability to reroll champion shards into random champs. The only reliable way to get BE now is to disenchant champion shards.
What the? I can't even re-roll them now? That's so bad. :(
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nm1010 (NA)
: You can say that all you want, your idea isn't happening because it is a bad idea. Even if you act like you are 10, riot isn't your parents and you closing your eyes repeating the same thing over and over isn't going to make something happen. Take the loss and abandon the thread (or preferably delete it), it is honestly a waste of space on the front page.
Oh, Hey, {{champion:48}}. Nice of you to make an appearance in my thread. :)
: You haven't presented any facts whatsoever. You've claimed that this would do two things without explaining why it would do those things. Then you've made the claim that there are no downsides, again without any evidence whatsoever. Do you know what % of players currently have five champions at mastery five? Do you know how long it takes on average to get a champion to rank five? Have you calculated the total time it would take to qualify for ranked? Do you know what % of players start ranked right when they hit 30? Do you know what % of players reach level 30 with 1+ champs at rank five? Those would be facts that we could have a conversation about. You have provided no facts whatsoever. You've just made an incredibly bold claim as if it were self-evidently true. It's not. Two important questions: 1) Why do you think Ranked should only be open to "serious" players? The whole point of the ranked system is that it places players into relatively well-matched games. Regardless of how casually or seriously a player is playing, it should only take a handful of games before they are playing against similarly skilled opponents. There are a ton of players in bronze and silver. I'm sure a lot of those players care about the game, and want to improve, and try to learn their champions. I'm sure a lot of those players don't care as much about improving, and just play for fun. As long as the games are relatively fairly matched, why does it matter? 2) Why do you think this is a good measure of how "serious" a player is? There are plenty of serious players who don't play five champions (2-3 is fine, honestly). There are plenty of casual players who DgaF about improving, but log a lot of games with a couple of champions. I agree that it would reduce smurfing in ranked. But I just don't think smurfing in ranked is that big of a problem. If they are crushing every game, they are going to rank up quickly anyways. I don't understand the other side of your argument at all. Your goal (only letting in appropriately serious players) and your method (five champions at rank five) both seem completely arbitrary to me.
1) This happens in normals already. Ranked play by definition is a serious form of competition. Play League of Legends all you want in the other game modes if you're looking for some fun and evenly matched games. 2) It's the best measurement we have to date. If you can come up with a better indicator of commitment to the game, let me know.
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2017-11-07T00:29:27.695+0000) I would 100% choose you over a 1 trick Riven main or a new/casual player trying to play Soraka as my support. But it doesn't make me any better at them, or at the game. It just means I've played an unrelated role a lot.
This is ranked play, its not normals. Its about commitment to the idea that you're putting time into bettering yourself as a player and understanding the pick/ban phase.
Quepha (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2017-11-07T00:24:43.657+0000) > > Ranked play is meant for semi-serious (one could argue for even serious) players. I agree here, but it doesn't mean they have to be good. You need people to populate bronze, and you need bad players to actually play or they never get good. Telling them not to play at all just exacerbates actual problems with matchmaking (i.e. poor quality matches) > Stopping smurfs is 100% a goal. It disproportionately affects the ladder ranking based on the above fact, this is detrimental. Your argument that it would stimulate account sales is not something that should affect the decision to curb smurfs. There are other means to combat this, but nice try with your red herring. I don't really care if you think it should be a goal, Riot has stated several times that it isn't.
I never told anyone to not play League of Legends at all. The game is still available in Normals, 3v3, ARAM, custom, etc, etc. This is where you should be playing if you're not serious, new, not honourable or don't understand the game (pick/ban phase included). I've never seen a Riot employee state they support multiple accounts, its just kind of "we know it happens..." and it's actually detrimental to the game.
: If you're a one trick, you can play your champion in a multitude of rolls. Janna top would be prefectly fine for a janna main, same with janna mid, and I might actually see some janna adc's with her new passive damage. I used to OTP anivia (still play her), and I could play her mid, top, and bot in either role, assuming I had a peel supp. I even 1v2ed a few times in bot when my buddy went for that dank 2 jng strategy (#troll). If someone is a legitimate one trick, they can adapt.
It's not about wether you can play that champ in that role. You are legitimately making the game harder for your team when YOU do not adapt to the team composition in pick/ban.
: So what about me? I play only Taric in ranked. I can play him top, jungle, or support. No, Taric top and jungle is not troll and no, it doesn't gimp my team. Gimping my team would be me not playing my best champion.
It does actually gimp your team. The entire reason there is a pick/ban phase is to get a better team composition than your opponents. If you've never seen a professional game, you should look into it. Your pick matters, your bans matter.
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-11-07T00:33:16.363+0000) > > Sadly, you present no valid points whatsoever. There are plenty of coaching sites out there that you can subscribe to and get a base understanding of the game. If you're looking to better understand the psychology behind ranking and sports, I can teach you, but not for free. Feel free to DM me. Can you teach me how to have a 35% winrate and still act condescending to other people?
Sure, don't post on the boards using your main account. :)
nm1010 (NA)
: > Sadly, you present no valid points whatsoever. Like I said I'm skipping right to calling you out as having a horrible idea, if you want actual reasons look at the plethora of them around you. > here are plenty of coaching sites out there that you can subscribe to and get a base understanding of the game. If you're looking to better understand the psychology behind ranking and sports, I can teach you, but not for free. The ironic part is I've actually made money coaching people at this game lol, best of luck hitting a positive win rate in silver. I would offer to coach you, but I have standards and sadly you fall below them :P
There have been a total of 0 counter arguments for this. As noted in the OP.
130x (NA)
: ***
This is a great addition to the above requirements. Plus 1 my friend.
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-06T11:05:04.998+0000) > > Edit: Let me explain. > > If you're a Janna one-trick and you get auto-filled to Top lane. The support won't trade you roles. You should know more than 1 champion in order to compete in ranked so that you're not handicapping your team. I play Shaco jungle and support. 2 roles. 1 champ.
Thanks for handicapping your team in every ranked game you play. :) This is literally all you're doing, win or lose. You make the game harder for your teammates by diversifying. When you lose, you lose hard. When you win, it's a hard win.
: This won't keep noobs out of ranked. It just means you have to play a lot longer to get into ranked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALtUJZjxqms&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmpt5KlDc5Y These players have played Velkoz and Gnar the most since the mastery system update. They are both mastery 7 and as you can see by no means good at their champion mechanically. Sure they do get some kills but ultimately they suck. How is a mastery 5 any better if you don't learn from playing
I said 10 champions at mastery level 5. This creates commitment and helps spread understanding of the game and a variety of champions. It's by no means a end all be all fix to the issue but it is a large step in the right direction.
nm1010 (NA)
: I see you've already tossed taking constructive criticism out the window. So let me skip to being brutally honest, this is an awful idea that will never be implemented. If you actually can't understand why it is a bad idea (and aren't just trolling when you respond to others) you severely lack an understanding about how the game functions.
Sadly, you present no valid points whatsoever. There are plenty of coaching sites out there that you can subscribe to and get a base understanding of the game. If you're looking to better understand the psychology behind ranking and sports, I can teach you, but not for free. Feel free to DM me.
: >There is literally no downside to this. Make it happen. Do it. There's also no real upside. What if I have Mastery 5 on, say, 10 tanky top-laners and suddenly decide to main Soraka in ranked? Perfectly fine, but the fact that I have 10 Mastery 5 champions means nothing towards my ability to play Soraka.
It goes towards your dedication and commitment to learn the ins and outs of these champions by putting that amount of time into them. I would 100% choose you over a 1 trick Riven main or a new/casual player trying to play Soraka as my support.
de ke c (NA)
: > Not one counter argument against this. Some good tries: If you're that close-minded why are you even trying to argue with others?
I am not arguing. I am presenting facts and you can't argue with facts.
Mhihnj (EUW)
: Aatrox's ranged attack is slow as hell and his knockup hitbox is retarded, Not to mention its delayed and can be cancelled by displacement which some supports and adcs have. Gnar I am not sure Kled can easily be stopped from engaging pre 6 not to mention He is almost no way to gain courage apart from killing minions and his Q which only has 2 charges. Not to mention He has the lowest movement speed in the game without mounting which basically makes him a sitting duck the moment his W goes on cool down. He is also melee which means he gets kited to oblivion and current strong supports make life hell for him. Riven also has the same issues as kled. One lulu W makes nearly all her engagement attempts worthless.
Aatrox knockup cannot be cancelled by displacement. I don't feel your other arguments have any merit.
Quepha (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-06T11:03:12.357+0000) > > 1. Keeps noobs and casuals out of ranked play. That is not a goal, nor should it be a goal. > 2. Makes it harder for smurfs to smash lower ranks. Stopping smurfs isn't really a goal of Riot's. Also, I'm pretty sure you can get mastery 5 on 10 champions before you even hit level 30 if you know what you're doing so it shouldn't have any effect on experienced players. Also, even if it were effective at slowing down the grind for smurf accounts, all that really does is encourage account purchasing and maybe raise the price of that by a few bucks. That isn't really a market you want to stimulate and grow since it leads to a lot of other shady things we don't want in the game.
It is a goal and should be a goal. Ranked play is meant for semi-serious (one could argue for even serious) players. It is not a place for casuals or new players who just want to enjoy League of Legends the game. There are a ton of options to enjoy the game outside of the ranked ladder. Stopping smurfs is 100% a goal. It disproportionately affects the ladder ranking based on the above fact, this is detrimental. Your argument that it would stimulate account sales is not something that should affect the decision to curb smurfs. There are other means to combat this, but nice try with your red herring.
Revali (NA)
: {{champion:266}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:23}}
{{champion:266}} has a ranged attack and a knockup. He's okay. {{champion:150}} has ranged attacks and poke and is great in teamfights. He also has a timer on when to engage. He's okay. {{champion:240}} He has a small pull and a great engage/disengage with the ult. He's okay. {{champion:92}} Although she's in there twice, she is actually okay agains't certain matchups as a support. She's okay. Finally, {{champion:41}}... https://screenshot.click/06-11-17-id2te-pa9ts.jpg Almost. I do commend your effort. :)
: I've already lost hope in this thread when the other commenter said he mains Marksman, you said this: > I bet you're awesome at a ranged champion, like** Janna or Karma**... you know being the expert marksman I'm most likely talking to a brick wall if I were to elaborate, so I'm just going to stop here. Threads where OP refuses to look at the other side of the argument already loses its value really hard. Try to talk all you want. This thread will soon eventually die along with your stubbornness.
I think I'll just laugh at how you think pointing out that sentence is actually detrimental to my argument. lul kthxbye.
: it makes no sense cause I got M7 easily on MArksmen. What rank do you think I am? I'm Silver. Just because I have the Mastery doesn't mean I'm good.
It means you know the champions at least, better than someone that hasn't mastered them. You understand the ideas behind ranged champions and likely the ideas behind melee champions that are trying to dive on the ranged ones. It's not foolproof. Sure, I could just farm champion mastery points... but really, what does that accomplish other than wasting your own time (there will be bots trying to). Edit: It also shows your commitment and the fact you're willing to take ranked semi-seriously... because, well, by definition, Ranked play is supposed to be the serious side of a competition.
: It can be any 10 which does not have the Support attribute. I rather have someone who has little to no experience by playing Soraka support who can at least heal me & my teammates, rather than having a Garen that does nothing but dives for no reason & refuses to buy a Sightstone for the whole game.
Still waiting on that list... Ready.... Go.
KOG IRL (NA)
: ***
They're up for the challenge. You know, being challenger and all.
: I have 10 M7s on Marksmen... this makes no sense.
You are a qualified marksman! Congrats, you can now enter ranked! Did you get auto-filled to support? I bet you're awesome at a ranged champion, like Janna or Karma... you know being the expert marksman. You probably get in tons of autos in between your abilities and land a ton of auto-poke on the enemy laners. I would love to have you on my team as the auto-filled support. Keep up the good work!
: There will be people who has 10 Mastery 5 on, for example, top lane champions only, so technically, you want more cases like autofilled Support playing Illaoi to happen.
Name 10 top lane champions that wouldn't at least be "okay" as a support.
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-11-06T11:09:52.473+0000) > > I'm aware of the consequences. Look, there is nothing holding you back from stopping to play ranked. If you want a rule to have 10 level 5 champions for ranked so much then I would suggest stop playing ranked untill you have 10 champions level 5 to have at least any ground for your suggestion.
This is not about me or this account. :)
: As if grinding super hard for IP to afford 20 champs was not tedious enough, now you got to grind out 10 champs till mastery 5? No thanks.
To play ranked. Yes. Otherwise, play normals, that's what it's there for. You're not locked out of League of Legends, enjoy playing the game.
: It's also funny that you suggest something like this when you yourself only have one level 5 champion.
I'm aware of the consequences.
: > [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-06T11:03:12.357+0000) > > > There is literally no downside to this. Uh.. So you want to ruin rankeds for one tricks too.
> [{quoted}](name=gmoneyjoey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWxUqJuZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-06T11:03:12.357+0000) > There is literally no downside to this. Edit: Let me explain. If you're a Janna one-trick and you get auto-filled to Top lane. The support won't trade you roles. You should know more than 1 champion in order to compete in ranked so that you're not handicapping your team.
Rioter Comments
: You are aware that lots of people in low ELOs don't have the champ pool nor game knowledge to do what you ask.
The fix is requiring +10 champions at mastery level 5 to enter Ranked, instead of buying every 450IP champ and a couple 1350s.
: @Riot - Before the new season begins:
Well, not a single reply or up/down vote. Hmmph.
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: SoloQ MMR/Rank should be based off your Solo Performance
: because everyone would become a kda player
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: c9 let kogmaw hit late game at 12 minutes
Kog was not the problem. C9s pick/ban in the last game was. They let too much go over to WE that WE wanted. They did this while Singed was up because the Singed Flash>Flip was a counter to the Kog. They had no backup pick planned if Singed was banned vs the Kog. The best alternative and I think one that would have actually worked would have been picking Volibear. They were thinking 1 move ahead in the chess game when they needed to be thinking 2.
: Why is Ryze getting played a lot in worlds?
Ryze has the potential to be a monster but his play is so binary that it's easily countered / played around. I'd honestly rather see Karthus than Ryze, he's actually a better champion.
: Want to know why NA never does well at worlds?
To the comments below... Yes, I singled out TSM in my post but that is only because they were the #1 seed from NA and did probably the worst (pending C9 games tonight). This isn't about TSM, it is more about NA as a region, the coaches and the mentality of the players. I would almost always want to see a team like GAM or FlyQuest (earlier edition, not recent) than TSM or IMT at worlds. C9 has a bit more variance to their play and likely why they always seem to go the furthest, even from the early roster to now. What GAM and FLY lack in mechanics (although a couple of the players, like Levi at exceptions) they make up for in strategy and tactics. If you have a highly mechanical team like TSM and pair them with the mentality of FLY for instance, they would be CRUSHING opponents. Instead you have the META slave bullshit that you witnessed this tournament. Complacency is a players worst enemy and that's what NA as a region tends to be, NA Belly, soft.
Rioter Comments
: TSM has a shit strategy and draft almost always. This weak shit works on NA teams because TSM just waits for mistakes to be made and play slow, guess what. Nobody making big NA-like mistakes at worlds. Noobs.
Look they won a teamfight, why? Misfits made a mistake and weren't respecting the engage.
: Know what NA needs to win worlds?
TSM has a shit strategy and draft almost always. This weak shit works on NA teams because TSM just waits for mistakes to be made and play slow, guess what. Nobody making big NA-like mistakes at worlds. Noobs.
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