: Talon skin idea
Not a bad idea but i would prefer an assassins creed skin (bc of his new e) - Mastery 7 Talon main {{champion:91}}
Darth Zoe (EUNE)
: Hey guys! First of all, i want to know what this "mobility" means. It will be like Quinn mobility or Ezreal's? Like movement speed or dash/flash?
IT will mostly likely be a shadow step. For example: talon becomes a shadow and has great increased movement speed and is untargetable by spells or basic attacks for whatever amount of time. It could also be like a shadow dash.
: Don't mess this up....... I have mained Talon on all my accounts since his release. Always loved him. But many times have had to leave him behind in the dust because he's too high risk and irrelevant to climb the ladder with. Or easily there are just better higher chance-win based champions to choose from. He has needed changes. He's needed a RE-BALANCE along with a rework. He's never been OP. But he has been incredibly irrelevant and too risky versus other champion choices. SOOOOOOOOOOOO many people have called Talon OP and I feel they have no idea how to play Talon, or how wrong they are. _"Talon needs nerf" "Stupid champ, broken. Thx Rito" "Yeah because Talon requires skill right? haha"_ ^Moronic. Anyone who gets raped by Talon has no idea who he is, or how to play against him. Armor/HP, he can't 1 shot you which is his job. If the enemy survives his burst, he dies. And most all mid laners can successfully build HP/Armor, both in AD and AP champions. And have better kits than him. Have better TEAM play. Better GAME changing kits, aaaaaaaaaand MORE potential to both KILL MORE than ONE champion, and STILL LIVE. **Not to mention EVERY MID LANER CAN KILL TALON LEVEL 1 AND 2. **WTH RITO!? If you KNOW how helpless Talon is before Level 4, before Level 6, you can shut him down from the very beginning. Zone him out, starve him CS-wise and force his useless ass to roam and feed another lane in his failed attempt to gank level 5 bottom or top lanes while he's level 2 or 3. IT REQUIRES NO EFFORT. But many don't know they can do this to Talon. But for the people who do know... Shady eyes go out to you. Talon is like the classic pubstomp Garen/Master Yi of the old days, but with less play. Where if you learn those champions, you'll school matches in NORMALS games with ease. Or low ranked. Where people are clueless about the champion or how to fight them. OR refuse to counter build, and strictly build as they 'want to'. So of course these champions look OP there. But he's far from actually OP. **What is an OP Champion?** An OP champion is one who can be both under leveled, underfarmed, lacking in items and STILL wipe enemies out with ease and outplay. Talon couldn't be underfarmed, or underleveled, or lacking in items and still handle an ADC that has no defense. Let alone a mid laner. Yes, Talon can clear multiple enemies in team fights. But ONLY IF AHEAD. He was designed to be able to assassinate when 2+ levels above everyone and having been fed into domination. But most of the top assassins and mid laners today can BE BEHIND and still kill with a lack of items or levels. Can still get out alive. Can cause massive CC and team fight changing plays. Talon literally has to wait for an elongated fight to occur, wait a few hours for the fight to near its end and then try to fly in and kill the 10HP remaining ADC in the back. Or he can go in early and die off the bat before doing anything. Or fly in having taken 25% of 1 champion's damage before dying. He CANNOT wipe multiple enemies from 100 to 0 late game. And I say late game because it's the point in the match where everyone has items and same levels. Point of an assassin is to let a team fight occur and go in when he can. Every other assassin can dive in any time and kill and get out. Or keep killing. Talon can only do that if levels ahead and items ahead. Even still, half the time he'll die. While every other mid champ can kill and survive. ______________ Talon needs to be able to be a pick that can be viable anytime. All he has to do as an assassin is kill priority damage dealer targets. Which can be useful in ANY kind of comp. I don't want to have to pick Talon only when I know I am on a lower ranked account leveling it up against a bunch of no brainers because I know only here will they have no idea to build armor and hp. I want to know that when I pick Talon it doesn't matter if they build armor and hp. That so long as I build accordingly I am going to slaughter them regardless because my kit ALLOWS me to do my job. I can admit, the seasons have been good to Talon up to now. These item changes and balances have allowed Talon to still be viable-ish mid and late game now. Whereas before IMPOSSIBLE to be viable mid game, let alone late. He CAN still be useful. But he's a risk pick in comparison to an Ekko who can fly in, kill and press R to safety. Risk pick versus a Zed who can fly in, combo and W or R out to safety. Versus a Malzahar who LITERALLY HAS A CC/DAMAGE NULLIFIER SHIELD LIKE WTF. A VEIGAR WHO CAN R TO KILL ANYTHING AFTER 25 MINUTES. I mean really... Picking Talon right now means you're being ballsy and want to have a little more of an eventful match in order to win. Rework Talon but keep him still being Talon. He has to be a gap closer. Has to have stealth. Speed. Ninja blades flying everywhere. OH AND while I'm here... Just wanted to give a polite middle finger to the developing team toward giving KATARINA ANOTHER SKIN and leaving Talon skinless. His last skin was a skin FORCED by the LOVE of a SSW World Champion's Winner request. C'MON! Do you NOT REALIZE how much moooooooooore bad ass Project Talon would of looked in COMPARISON TO KATARINA? His effects could be so bad ass.... SO bad ass..... And you choose the 100 skins Noxus champion instead. Who's got snow skins, sports skins, halloween skins, porn skins, all kinds of skins.... _(P.S. I'm jk about the middle finger, but still. That's what Talon felt like he was being given when Katarina was chosen over him. Make the rework worth it!)_
How long did it take you to type that up lol. Aside from that agree with you.
: As a Talon main im really upset about this, one and only becouse he will not have his E ability. Please tell me what u think for this rework! {{champion:91}} - Mastery 7
I am a mastery 7 talon as well and this could actually work. His E could be replaced with a shadow step making him invulnerable and a dark shadows character with greatly increased movement speed. That can be an awesome escape and engage but we will have to wait and see because this could go either way. Just hope for the best!
: I wouldn't say reworked but more or less updated. His passive is almost nonexistent when actually providing extra damage, his cut throat makes no sense thematically, Noxian Diplomacy is pretty much just an auto attack reset and as you said 2 abilities are only actually good in his case. His kit is literally damage with almost no utility which means if he's far behind he will have no escape or anything as all his spells except shadow assault makes him go in rather then get out.
If you watch REDMERCY's video on YouTube you will see how it is a rework not an update. The E is gone so is the passive so that is a pretty major change as he will be focusing on roaming as his unique addition to the assassin family. This has been confirmed.
12a12b12d (EUNE)
: Talon
Mastery 7 Talon main here. Ok so you have to look up VaporaDark's Talon guide and follow everything there except the runes and masteries. Find those somewhere else. I would spend some time explaining but I am in New York right now (live in New Jersey) so if you need some tips just reply and I'll eventually answer. Until then so what I said.
: you have 100k mastery points on talon but you're still bronze, you are the last guy i would go to for input on the champ
To be truthful the last guy you would go to is a lower mastery than 7 but anyways, you are kind of right.
Kryzm (NA)
: Thanks for giving my favorite champ some love, statikk. Just wanted to say, Rake might be the most satisfying non-ult ability in the game. I really hope the feeling of it can stay the same.
Agree with you 100% Take this from a mastery 7 Talon : taking away rake would completely change the champion. Half of his kills come from successful Rakes and Shadow Assault's.
: BUT: Will he still long for long swords?
He will most likely still be an AD assassin which would require him to long for the long swords :)
: Assassin Roster Update -- Talon Direction
This made my day literally. I love Talon and he deserves changes so i am very excited for what you are bringing to us. But a question: **Is his passive finally changing?? ** Please reply. {{champion:91}} Mastery 7 - Talon Main
: I don't like those changes at all. Passive is awful, Talon is a mid lane assassin how is he going to benefit from a passive that only gives his allies MS? Q is a good idea in retrospect, but he has a lot of high base damages so with the +8% of target's missing health is just asking for a tank assassin meta. E is straight up broken depending on how this works. It also seems similar to Kled's Q so not really a fan. Give him a passive that works in solo lanes, Q is fine, but it's pretty much just a better version of his current E and does %health damage. E is pretty much a blitzcrank hook if they use any mobility spells to escape. This is just broken.
I thought he meant it gives both him and his teammates MS. In that case its bad, but other than that its fine. The current E should be able to be activated a second to teleport to a target location or go invisible like shaco.
: If rake and shadow assault stay then talon's counter play is going to have to come from having low or situational mobility outside of shadow assault since those spells are basically guaranteed to hit everything within 500 range of him.
> [{quoted}](name=DONGLORD420,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gkeZhJ4j,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-08-04T17:55:48.578+0000) > > If rake and shadow assault stay then talon's counter play is going to have to come from having low or situational mobility outside of shadow assault since those spells are basically guaranteed to hit everything within 500 range of him. Yes that's true. I know talon's rake and/or let might get a small nerf to balance him out if he gets a new passive and/or Q
: Ideas about Talon - Should be made manaless. Riot has made several steps away from mana itemization for AD champions. If that's the case, AD champions with high mana dependency like {{champion:81}} (gets away with it by building {{item:3025}} ) {{champion:126}} (gets away with it by building {{item:3042}} ), and {{champion:91}} (lol better hope you get blue buff) should be compensated. Passive - New Passive - An Offer They Can't Refuse - Talon's auto attacks against a champion mark that champion for death by his allies. When Talon auto attacks a champion, that champion gains a mark, and all of Talon's allies gain 20/25/30% MS when moving towards that champion. The first attack against that champion by an ally other than Talon consumes the mark and deals 50/75/100% of Talon's total AD as bonus physical damage. The mark lasts 6/7/8 seconds and Talon must wait 30 seconds before marking an enemy again. If Talon's ally kills a marked target, the cooldown resets. Q - New Q - Hard Negotiations - Talon's next auto attack causes him to leap with a deadly (Assassin's Creed style) aerial slash intended to finish off his target. No Cost, Cooldown 10/9/8/7/6 Seconds Auto Attack Bonus Damage: 10/50/90/130/170 (+8% of the target's missing health) E - New E - Take No Prisoners - Talon stabs a blade into his target's back, dealing 80/110/140/170/200 physical damage (+100% bonus AD) over 5 seconds. If the target attempts to dash away during the bleed, Talon yanks the chain on the dagger back to him, pulling the target back to Talon's location and stunning them for 1 second. No Cost, Cooldown 12 Seconds
> [{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gkeZhJ4j,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-04T17:14:06.074+0000) > > Ideas about Talon - > > Should be made manaless. Riot has made several steps away from mana itemization for AD champions. If that's the case, AD champions with high mana dependency like {{champion:81}} (gets away with it by building {{item:3025}} ) {{champion:126}} (gets away with it by building {{item:3042}} ), and {{champion:91}} (lol better hope you get blue buff) should be compensated. > > Passive - New Passive - An Offer They Can't Refuse - Talon's auto attacks against a champion mark that champion for death by his allies. When Talon auto attacks a champion, that champion gains a mark, and all of Talon's allies gain 20/25/30% MS when moving towards that champion. The first attack against that champion by an ally other than Talon consumes the mark and deals 50/75/100% of Talon's total AD as bonus physical damage. > > The mark lasts 6/7/8 seconds and Talon must wait 30 seconds before marking an enemy again. If Talon's ally kills a marked target, the cooldown resets. > > > Q - New Q - Hard Negotiations - Talon's next auto attack causes him to leap with a deadly (Assassin's Creed style) aerial slash intended to finish off his target. > > No Cost, Cooldown 10/9/8/7/6 Seconds > > Auto Attack Bonus Damage: 10/50/90/130/170 (+8% of the target's missing health) > > > E - New E - Take No Prisoners - Talon stabs a blade into his target's back, dealing 80/110/140/170/200 physical damage (+100% bonus AD) over 5 seconds. If the target attempts to dash away during the bleed, Talon yanks the chain on the dagger back to him, pulling the target back to Talon's location and stunning them for 1 second. > > No Cost, Cooldown 12 Seconds Actually a really good idea. I would be fine if that happened to talon as long has his W and Ult remain the same.
: Champion Insights: Kled, the Noxian Meme
I'm just happy he's apart of Noxus :p
Statikk (NA)
: Next Class Update - the Assassins
I talk about Talon a little in this Discussion. Be sure to vote if you think Talon deserves a major rework! http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/gkeZhJ4j-talon-rework-in-the-assassins-update Just so you know I talk about what should change. {{champion:91}} -Mastery 7 Talon Main
: it has already been confirmed that he is getting changes in the assassin rework
> [{quoted}](name=Michael Sykes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gkeZhJ4j,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-08-04T14:50:15.947+0000) > > it has already been confirmed that he is getting changes in the assassin rework Yes i know but we don't know what will change. This is mostly for what should change.
VEILfire (NA)
: I really mean it. This skin got a lot going on. I like that you also consider lore which some ideas for Talon skins by other artists lack. I am hoping Riot will see your work and will consider make it into a real skin! Best of Luck =) I'll keep an eye on your progress (don't want you to think I am a stalker (lol) but this one is my favorite idea so far for the skin of my fav champ so I'll def be around).
> [{quoted}](name=VEILfire,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=IuaPAobN,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2016-06-11T00:37:07.347+0000) > > I really mean it. This skin got a lot going on. I like that you also consider lore which some ideas for Talon skins by other artists lack. > > I am hoping Riot will see your work and will consider make it into a real skin! Best of Luck =) I'll keep an eye on your progress (don't want you to think I am a stalker (lol) but this one is my favorite idea so far for the skin of my fav champ so I'll def be around). I'm with you 100% {{champion:91}}
: Rival Talon - League of Legends skin concept
This is a good idea! As a mastery 7 talon main I am looking forward for some new skins and changes for talon and also katerina. Hope riot looks into this! Also be sure to vote if you want talon to get a rework or not here. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/gkeZhJ4j-talon-rework-in-the-assassins-update
: Talon Rework in the Assassins Update
Leave your thoughts here and don't forget to vote! Also: Can't believe i got so many visits and comments on my first discussion page so thanks for that :p
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: The Assassin rework @meddler with poll
We need to rework Talon! He needs changes to his passive 100% and probably his Q to fit his new passive. All in all, Talon needs new mechanics. {{champion:91}} Mastery 7 Talon main

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