: > [{quoted}](name=NOGShadowSpire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tL3075pa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-12T17:21:55.436+0000) > > Man, That's not even cool. You probably just killed his ranked mood. Maybe he was doing something and it was working. That's not cool. He's just trying to get free wins from riot lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Bruhmerica,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tL3075pa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-12T17:22:32.780+0000) > > He's just trying to get free wins from riot lol. How is that a "free win"? lol. He's asking a question about a game he can not complete over which he has no control.
: Maybe so. But Swain isn't meta anymore, I think Gnar was banned, and Irelia's better served in pick comps than straight fights. I do like Ekko, Ekko used to be the counter to Poppy and would've worked better in the game against RNG than Jayce. Seriously, why Jayce? He had no business being in that team comp.
> [{quoted}](name=DesertBreeze,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=6gIoBp3M,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T05:16:25.268+0000) > > Maybe so. But Swain isn't meta anymore, I think Gnar was banned, and Irelia's better served in pick comps than straight fights. I do like Ekko, Ekko used to be the counter to Poppy and would've worked better in the game against RNG than Jayce. Seriously, why Jayce? He had no business being in that team comp. Agreed.
: Truth of the matter is, TSM failed to meet NA's (and their own) lofty expectations, and I think it all came down to that blown game against SSG. I still don't know what they were thinking, going with that Zilean. That whole comp was a failure to launch and you have to wonder if it was panic-picked by Bjergsen or Biofrost, when it would've been smarter to pick a champ that could fight Viktor better than Zil. I was wondering why they didn't just flex the Karma mid for Bjerg and put Biofrost on Trundle or Alistar or some other secondary tank to protect against all that damage. But they still lost, and forced themselves into a situation where they had to gamble their own tournament lives against RNG, who's easily one of the dark horses in this. And if you put yourself in a position where you might lose, you might lose unfortunately. Cloud9 is going to be hard-pressed getting out of Group B, but if anyone's got a chance of getting out of groups, they do. Impact has a deeper champion pool than both Darshan and Hauntzer (do they play anything either than Poppy and Kennen respectively?), Meteos has had more time to practice that Lee Sin (and potentially force the ban so he can get Rek'sai or Zac) and Jensen, assuming he's done being cute in lane after the SKT game, should have a backup pick if Syndra gets banned.
Hauntzer has played a lot of characters in Spring and Summer including Irelia, Gnar, Ekko, Swain, as well as those you mentioned. I think TSM was at their best when they gave me a little more resources to Hauntzer and he'd go off.

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