: 1 person can lose it, not 1 person will lose it, now imagine have 2 trying to lose it. you compare it punching in a bar but its more like a kid talking bad to you and you have to insult him back instant of ignoring him. but i guess you made up your mind and you will be banned 100X since you are wishing that....
if it is just like little kids insulting each other then remove the ban system :) i win both sides of the argument. either its nothing and it should be removed, or it is something to which self defense is justified under an circumstances.
: warnings before being banned. Good idea?
i feel for ya. got my first chat restriction for defending myself. didnt start the flame but boy did i ram him back. riots ban system is a meme for a reason.
: > Point is if we are playing football in the field and u come and slap my face i'd probably break your both arms or worse since i'm that kind of guy. And you'd get a great number of penalties for assault and damages; both with whatever football team you're playing with, and the local authorities. But, hey. Worth it to break someone's arms over a slap, huh? > Insult isn't going to go away because you re ignoring it. But it's not going to hurt you, either. > It's like terrorist have came and blew up your house and now you wont do anything you will ignore them and hope that they wont blow up your next house. Yeah right. If we're talking about the mute feature, imagine that you could set up a magical barrier that physically prevents said next house from being blown up. Your argument doesn't exactly work when you don't ignore the point of the discussion.
if someone slapped you in America you can borderline put a guy in the hospital (depending how hard it was). i think the best solution would just both people not getting into said fight, but if someone throws something its never wrong to defend yourself no matter how bad the other guy gets messed up. so why wouldnt it be the same for flaming? no one does anything cool okie dokie but thats not the case. its not going to hurt you, but its not going to hurt him either if you flame back.... huh.... why even have the chat bans then lol. the argument just falls apart if you look at it from the same point of view 2 ft over. the mute feature will get people to int you because you wont respond. muting wont solve any of the problems just make them even more frustraited with your existence. it could help if you are the instigator of the harassment, not the replier which is the topic of my thread basically, the responder getting punished.
: so if theres nothing to be won or had, then why are you fighting and not just ignoring the screaming kid? if one *grows up* then he wont be banned/punished , where the other who went with a meaning less victory [even tho its not even a victory at all but whatever] will get banned at one point. there is 3 others in the game, focus on the game for them and your self not for that flamer you can easily carry 1 ass hat that is not trying , but its hard to carry 2....
scarra once said "one person cant carry the game but one person can lose it". so thats not true its an 18% win rate 4v5 from the start, which wouldnt include the 5th person feeding kills and gold then not trying. theres nothing to be won if you get punched in the face at the bar but im pretty sure youd punch back. if you wouldnt then thats your prerogative to whimp out lol. and ill assume you mean me not trying which isnt true. pretty sad that everyone tries the "grow up" route and dont take that fight id rather get banned 100x over and get the t1 treatment than concede to a troll.
: So if you specifically think the chat is useless and that it should be removed, why don't you mute all at the start of every game?
this isnt about me with chat im not the only person who has been punished defending themself im quite sure. why even have chat if its 90% flame 8% gg at the end and 2 or less% what could be considered normal or nonhostile.
rujitra (NA)
: No. You could not. Again, you generally must take the most common sense and minimal action necessary to prevent further damage. Flaming is neither common sense or minimal, and it doesn't prevent further damage.
so one person gets damaged and the other doesnt? not a good argument. it makes perfect sense to stand up for yourself. an eye for an eye.
: you dont need to concede anything mate you can give your point and if they dont listen then they wont listen anyway, and frankly theres 0 reason to flame them back if all what is happening is them flaming you harder back and hense and repeat until one grow up and stop. ignoring it might not make them stop, nor flaming them back does and ignoring will let you focus on your own game a lot better. and you think nice words in Eune cant be considered sarcasm? its how you use these words and when, and for your last part you lose what exactly? a fight with a random? if anything you both will sound like kids fighting over a toy if you flame back , while he will be the only kid if he is hyper flaming alone...
all scenarios of fighting are "over a toy" if put into context that way. so thats not necessarily a good view point. theres no toy to be won or prize to be had. you lose frustration time and effort, and willingness to keep the game alive. if one "grows up" the other will continue on with a victory lap. focusing on the game could have a point if the other person is still trying, but in this case it was not that way. well different languages have inflection how its read. English isnt the best at distinguishing sarcasm.
Kei143 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:48:54.281+0000) > > the guy went 0-11 and walked up to fed people and danced. kinda hard for me to show that here i suppose but i do know the difference between a bad game and inting. Let's suppose they really did int in that game, what good would it do for you to flame them? Trolls want reaction and you gave them what they wanted. We also should look at others games where you've flipped out without having a true inter, yet you probably accused them of inting. > there isnt a difference between "counter attacking" and defending. call a rose by any other name. Oh there is a difference for sure. Let's say your teammates called you TRASH for dying in lane twice. You can counter flame them by calling them TRASH as well or you can defend yourself by saying you got outplayed. One is a counter attack, the other is a defense.
it started out him complaining then flaming, then i flamed back, to which he flamed more, then inted. it wasnt he inted then i flamed him, it was he did bad, then did worse because he wanted to ruin as much as possible. im pretty sure no one wanted that, some people just sink the ship to kill the captain. my duo is usually the "inter" in that scenario XD as long as people try its not bad. when you do as that person did dancing to a leblanc combo to the face its the real deal. theres also a difference in say, yuumi now being a terrible pick and people playing it for fun. they are going to int like no tomorrow and thats ok as long as they dont do what the person did in the example and try to win. id rather have a bard jungle trying than the other person. thats not a defense saying you got outplayed but a comment. that person still got what they wanted and you didnt do anything. would be like a guy banging your wife then you shaking his hand saying well done sir. (probably could word it differently)
: They are words from idiots on the internet, not someone attacking you in a way that requires you to defend your safety. You're not willing to understand, but you're the one that's going to keep getting punished for retaliating. Your choice.
if they are just words why even waste resources to punish. why not let everyone flame like a 70s disco? exactly.
: I have had plenty of them give me instant feedback responses. They don't send an instant feedback response for every punishment. I can understand why too. For many people seeing that message that someone has been banned gives them a rush of endorphins and after so many of those messages they may start falsely reporting people just to get that message, rather than to actually punish those who break the rules.
not a salty person who files bans every 2 games. makes it even more discouraging if they don't send it and makes the player base more toxic because it gives the illusion of nothing being done. riot is a meme for a reason.
: "why not remove chat?" That's what the chat restriction was for. You seem to be angry about losing your chat privileges for breaking the rules, but you're also advocating to remove chat for everyone? If you think it's unfair that you got it taken away when you "defended yourself", imagine how unfair it would be for them to take it away from me or any of my friends who only use it for constructive planning and friendly chatting with teammates.
im not mad i lost it for a whole 3 hours lol. might seem so from the sarcasm in a lot of the post might make an edit to clarify. ive only seen "spotsman like" conduct in chat a few dozen times. could flip that in reverse, imagine not getting rid of it because 10 people like it. the same 10 people who wanted the old aatrox to stay. the feature is supposed to be used as you inted but in almost a decade of playing its such a small fraction of a percent that actually used it that way. 3-4 more pings on a different key could almost handle the interactions needed for a game.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=000200000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-23T11:16:09.707+0000) > > well if they started it guess its their problem and were in a no win scenario. 7 years without anything i can say with certainty that im not the one who starts things. From your point of view, perhaps. But clearly they felt flaming was justified, or they wouldn't have done it. > why wouldnt that analogy work? and how would that be vigilanty work punching the guy back in that example? if others do harm or troll why is it frowned upon to do unto others as has been done to you? Because you have no no right to do unto others as has been done to you. You have a right to **defend** yourself from what others do to you. That's not the same thing. Defending yourself means you preventing harm to come to you. In real life that conceivably - **but not necessarily** - includes doing to them what they are doing to you (e.g. by punching somebody who is in the process of assaulting you as a means of deterring or incapacitating them). If what you are doing does not serve the ultimate goal of defending yourself, self defence stops being a legitimate excuse. And if you willingly forgo an objectively better and easier way of preventing somebody from harming you, that's a pretty definitive proof that defending yourself is not actually the goal behind your actions. At that point what you are doing is no longer going to be judged in the context of self defence.
if flaming is never justified from things like mistakes or anything, then why do people do it? someone has to start the argument. flame begets flame if i was to have that argument i could've inted the guy to make sure it doesnt happen anymore. he would either stop flaming or leave the game both would be an acceptable outcome because it wouldve prevented more interactions with quicker results.
: My dude...This is something that's specific to League: why do you care what idiots say or think? Idiots are idiots, they don't know they're idiots, and nothing you say to idiots is going to make them stop being idiots. When you "defend yourself" against idiots in League, all you're doing is giving them what they want (attention), getting yourself aggravated, and pissing off the bystanders (other teammates) who now have two people arguing instead of one. If someone says, "You're bad and stupid and your mom smells." why would you care? You know all of that's not true, so what do you need to defend against? Even if it was true, what do you need to defend against? Who cares what strangers think. You're with them for 45 minutes max.
my broski not all idiots want attention. they arent cats or dogs lol. in the game i refered to there were no bystanders (was my duo and the others trio). its not about defending what you know isnt "true" its not taking a punch and waiting patiently for the next with no recourse.
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-23T09:44:39.101+0000) > 1. You must adopt C*ckold mentality. you are not allowed to defend yourself if someone flames you, especially flaming them back you can defend your self without resulting to attacking back, dont act like the kid who says [but he did it first!!] be the bigger man and explain whatever the problem was or ignore them > 2. You have to take it in the *ss with a smile and let them ruin your experience. talking back would ruin theirs! just let them get all the satisfaction. idk what are you talking about exactly , but if they are breaking the rule ya know you can report them and punish them, and frankly players who enjoy ruining others game want a reaction anyway so ya if you flame them you give them the fun they want... > 3. Riot doesn't care who started it. you are both going to the principles office and getting sent home. yes and even in school *he started it* does not matter either if both cross the line [will at least the one i was in] > 4. Muting wont stop them from inting because you wont ff. and flaming will stop them from inting anyhow? if anything i managed to stop a guy from inting by ignoring him, and stoped a guy from trolling by using nice words.
the fun thing is thats not the first suggestion of that nature, but is really misguided. no ones acting like that kid on the play ground, i plea you explain to a hard flamer and concede a mistake to make common ground and watch the Tabasco drenched pole of criticism descend from the heavens (dramatic effect not necessary) and see how that plays out. not responding is not a sure way to stop it, so then what. nice words in NA could be considered sarcasm... Nice play! sarcasm weather intended or not. and ignoring them doesnt mean they wont flame again. had a game with the same friend from this particular game, and he was getting flamed every 2-3 min and he refuses to type until its pretty ridiculous. abstinence isnt a viable option. in that scenario you only lose.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=0002000000020000,timestamp=2019-05-23T11:06:18.306+0000) > > if they are already flaming in that scenario, then you flame in response, to which they flame more? kind of just seems like flaming with extra steps :P What if they are already flaming precisely because they felt you ruined their day? > i dont see it as vigilantism Gonna stop you right there: You have no legal authority to do what you were doing (as shown by the fact that you were punished for what you were doing), and you were doing it as a way of getting back at them, i.e. punish them. This is not a question of seeing it or not. This is vigilantism by definition. >its more like getting punched on the street and punching the guy back. Which in ~~most~~ a lot countries would get you in trouble if you also have a magical button at your disposal that prevents further damage from that person. Since that button doesn't exist the analogy just doesn't work. Edit: "Most" probably isn't true. Either way I wouldn't know.
well if they started it guess its their problem and were in a no win scenario. 7 years without anything i can say with certainty that im not the one who starts things. why wouldnt that analogy work? and how would that be vigilanty work punching the guy back in that example? if others do harm or troll why is it frowned upon to do unto others as has been done to you?
: I stopped at cuckold. What you learned was nothing.
there was nothing to learn except dont defend yourself and be passive. let others walk over you. tldr. welcome.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:22:01.341+0000) > > why is it wrong when someones ruining your day that you cant get the little satisfaction ruining theirs back? Assuming the double negative was unintentional: For the same reason why vigilantism is illegal. It's not your decision how much somebody deserves to be "punished", and neither should it be. What if the people flaming you thought you were ruining their day? Wouldn't that allow them to flame you?
if they are already flaming in that scenario, then you flame in response, to which they flame more? kind of just seems like flaming with extra steps :P i dont see it as vigilantism i cant hop in a rito chair and press the button. its more like getting punched on the street and punching the guy back. sure you could call the cops and all and wait ( which seems to be what everyone in the thread thinks is the right thing ) or you could punch back.
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:22:01.341+0000) > > why not? since when is "defending yourself" wrong in any context. videogame or not. > It's the way you defend yourself as it's quite contraproductive. Riot allows you to mute other players or calmly talk to them and discuss a bit (as long as it has a certain niveau). > why is it wrong when someones ruining your day that you cant get the little satisfaction ruining theirs back? Was it a bad game who ruined your day or were it bad 5 minutes of a game you milked the whole time to have a ruined day? Feel free to ruin their satisfaction but be prepared for the justified punishments then. > if flame wars ditract from the game why not remove chat? no one likes talking to eachother and since voice chat is here just remove it and take the bad stuff with it. Why should a whole feature be removed just because some people can't pull themselves together? I met so many great people over League of Legends (chat) and besides finding new mates you can not communicate everything over pings.
not necessarily wrong on the first part, but cant negotiate with terrorists. nah was a 25 minute almost entire game length the games reputation is all about flaming. its not a small batch of hoodlums at 2 am. nothing stops you from voice chatting with new people since it was introduced (though probably an inferior way to meet new)
: > why not? since when is "defending yourself" wrong in any context. videogame or not. What are you even "defending yourself" from? Meaningless words from people you don't know? If it was someone you could know face-to-face, I'd probably see a reason, but this is, for all intents and purposes, a nobody we're talking about. Someone you don't know, shouldn't care about, and will likely never see again. So, I say again; I don't understand why you'd need to defend yourself against someone who is, with all respect due to them, inconsequential. Their words shouldn't mean jack shit to you. You've no reason to "defend yourself" against them. > why is it wrong when someones ruining your day that you cant get the little satisfaction ruining theirs back? lose/lose with 1% win is better than lose solely on your part. It's lose/lose with 0% win. 'Cause, guess what; if someone's going out of their way to ruin your day, _literally any attempt to ruin theirs back is going to fall flat._ They _want_ you to be pissed, they _want_ you to be miserable, and you stepping up to fight back shows them _that they won. That you were **that** easy to beat._ They can't have their day ruined, because they went out with the express written intent to ruin yours. And, of course, it needs to be said; short is the joy that guilty pleasure brings. If you break the rules and get satisfaction out of it, that satisfaction is going to be cut short by the punishment you get for breaking the rules. > if flame wars ditract from the game why not remove chat? no one likes talking to eachother and since voice chat is here just remove it and take the bad stuff with it. no minor strategy talk is worth it. if they dont then guess you have to go back to point #1 on the list. Riot's not going to remove chat just because of the few bad eggs that can't bother to use it right. Your views on chat are noted, but the fact remains; removing chat as a whole is a non-viable and short-sighted ultimatum that expects that it would somehow be a surefire solution to the problem. > neither will flaming. BUT if they ruin your experience guess i should int back huh. thatll teach em! lol Then we'd have this same exact post, save replacing "chat restriction" with "14-day ban".
if they are meaningless words from people why even have a chat ban? let people flame like a 70s sanfrancisco disco. if by riot having a system to punish players for this kind of behavior then its quite possibly something of sustenance. thats a straw man argument. if they try to ruin yours then why not ruin theirs back? if they are trying to make a person mad, what happens when you succeed in trolling back? breaking the rules is sideline to the conversation. sinking the ship to kill the captain is not far fetched. a few bad eggs? what game have you been playing? kind of the whole games reputation is flaming. no such thing as surefire solutions to anything. well if you cant flame in chat guess you have to.... oh wait.... theres already a 14 day ban for inting so that part wouldnt change. lol
Kei143 (NA)
: There's a difference between defending yourself and counter-attacking. Counter attack will get you punished (as well > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-23T09:44:39.101+0000) > > > 1. You must adopt C*ckold mentality. you are not allowed to defend yourself if someone flames you, especially flaming them back There's a difference between defending yourself and counter-attacking. Counter-attack is still an attack. > 2. You have to take it in the *ss with a smile and let them ruin your experience. talking back would ruin theirs! just let them get all the satisfaction. Why do you have to let it get to you? If you don't let it get to you, nothing is going in your *ss. > 3. Riot doesn't care who started it. you are both going to the principles office and getting sent home. This is correct > 4. Muting wont stop them from inting because you wont ff. Let's be real, how often does inting happen? My experience, not very often. So are you sure you aren't accusing of people for inting when they really aren't? > > Pretty fun let me tell you. Guess ill just not defend myself anymore... or go the T1 treatment and make a ton of accounts and try and ruin as many peoples day as possible. Only time will tell. Well, you sure are allowed to do as you please. You'll probably find yourself enjoying things more if you were to play another game.
the guy went 0-11 and walked up to fed people and danced. kinda hard for me to show that here i suppose but i do know the difference between a bad game and inting. there isnt a difference between "counter attacking" and defending. call a rose by any other name. why do you have to let it get to you? idk kind of a core game mechanic when people dont do the whole 'team work" thing and just waste an hour of the day. just call in to work and tell your boss to forward me an hour of your pay and see if youd let that get to you lol. enjoying things isnt the problem could possibly be sarcasm, could be litteral. could be that enjoyment cant be transferable when someone ruins a game on a whim. who am i to judge if im ruining others fun then. maybe they should find other games?
: > 1) you are not allowed to defend yourself if someone flames you, especially flaming them back As KFCeytron said; you're allowed to defend yourself through using the Mute Feature. Flaming people back != defending yourself, and frankly, I don't understand why people feel the need to "defend themselves" by flaming back against random people they don't know in a videogame. > 2) You have to take it with a smile and let them ruin your experience. talking back would ruin theirs! just let them get all the satisfaction. Technically speaking, it's a lose/lose situation. In your eyes, they either get the satisfaction of laying into someone playing meek, or they get the satisfaction of knowing that you're _easy pickings_ to provoke and start a flame war with. But, I've learned that, when it comes to a flamer or troll; the most painful wound you could inflict is to ignore them. Don't mention them, don't give them the time of day, don't even acknowledge their existence; _that_ hurts them much, much more than flaming does. > 3) Riot doesn't care who started it. And they have no reason to. Flame wars only detract from the game, making it that much easier for your opponents to beat you since you're so preoccupied with fighting the wrong team, and in many cases, you and the other flamer are ruining the game for at least 1-3 other teammates. Flaming helps nothing, and is wholly detrimental, so...Yeah. Of course Riot doesn't care who started it. It doesn't belong in their game, so _anyone who participates_ gets the gavel. > Muting wont stop them from inting because you wont ff. Neither will flaming. What's your point?
why not? since when is "defending yourself" wrong in any context. videogame or not. why is it wrong when someones ruining your day that you cant get the little satisfaction ruining theirs back? lose/lose with 1% win is better than lose solely on your part. if flame wars ditract from the game why not remove chat? no one likes talking to eachother and since voice chat is here just remove it and take the bad stuff with it. no minor strategy talk is worth it. if they dont then guess you have to go back to point #1 on the list. neither will flaming. BUT if they ruin your experience guess i should int back huh. thatll teach em! lol
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-23T10:03:10.196+0000) > > hate to tell you this but out of the hundreds of reports ive filed over the years the only ones that have had any affect (maybe 5) were chat. reporting for inting doesnt work. riot blastoise has said so in a few videos that its impossible to catch unless they go 0-25 so that argument is weak. I regularly see people complaining about unfair bans for inting when they only inted a few deaths or what have you.
Ive filed hundreds of them and not a single one has been "thanks for the report summoner" close to the decade Ive been playing. might just be a forums thing shedding more light on a minuscule minority. i think my stuff is fine not disputing its wrong or zomg shouldnt have done it rito.
: You are allowed to defend yourself. The way to defend yourself is muting the offending player. This protects you from seeing any of their chat, so it's 100% effective. Flaming back is not defensive but offensive, and usually just results in getting flamed even harder, so it actually has negative value as a defensive measure. Yes, Riot doesn't care who started it. Most people learn this concept in grade school or earlier. Muting stops the flame. If they start inting, report them for that as well. There is no justification or practical purpose for engaging in punishable behaviors in LoL.
hate to tell you this but out of the hundreds of reports ive filed over the years the only ones that have had any affect (maybe 5) were chat. reporting for inting doesnt work. riot blastoise has said so in a few videos that its impossible to catch unless they go 0-25 so that argument is weak.
Julevi (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaellidor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jJTmG0LZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-23T09:44:39.101+0000) > > 1. You must adopt C*ckold mentality. you are not allowed to defend yourself if someone flames you, especially flaming them back You can defend yourself all the way as long as you don't break the rules or get rude. A lot of people mislead counterflame as a solid way to defend themselves or have serious problems making a point without belittling the other player. > 2. You have to take it in the *ss with a smile and let them ruin your experience. talking back would ruin theirs! just let them get all the satisfaction. You have to consider that you are not alone in a private chat with the flamer - your whole team and even the enemy team suffers from your discussion. Not paying attention to the actual gameplay, ruining the mood of the team and so much more have an impact on your teammates. > 3. Riot doesn't care who started it. you are both going to the principles office and getting sent home. Yeah - just because someone broke the rules first doesn't mean you have a freepass to break them aswell.
forgot some context. i was with a duo and the flamers were in a 3 man group. no ones going have fun either way. and there was no all chat so enemy is not involved in this particular scenario.
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: It's a normal game though. It's not to be taken seriously anyways.
ive never met someone getting or giving the ass beating thats said just normals :P it would be considered inting if you dont try.
: So can Riot stop trying to push SJW agendas and focus on fixing the game?
: > [{quoted}](name=deadlychuck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2Fy9sO7T,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-12T01:44:09.540+0000) > > Cynical isn't synonymous with immature. > It's almost the opposite even, which is why cynicism tends to be associated with the "old and cranky" stereotype. > > It's frustration due to experience, not anger due to ignorance. no im cynical majority of the player base is immature . im old n cranky
i think its that the older generation that started in season 1 and 2 are so much older than the ones they are advertising to now. i started season 3 and im 26 an older fart and im older than most of the pros and streamers that play. i honestly think there should be a maturity test or legitimate hard restriction on age for games sometimes. only in games like this where you have to work with a team is this shit ever present. no one wants to play with a mentally instable player or immature player. i never had to deal with a baby rage quit, or an afk from an insult or bad game,or similar thing,playing WoW or other games that required cooperation to the same level as this game. i was even younger than riots target audience now playing those games and never had these kind of mental breakdowns or immaturity issues the newer side of the player base here has. i cant honestly tell if my generation of gaming just dodged a bullet or if players are getting worse since theres no stick to punish bad behavior with. on a side note addressing the original post, id have to agree there is less motivation to win the games. the goal is now to exact revenge on the feeders in your games for some players.
: love match making
thats not as near as bad as some of my games lol. ive had some where my duo ( a legit bronze 3 player) has to fight a plat 3 player. id play mid or something and he would be jungle and just get destroyed, invaded, out ganked, you name it. im silver 1 so theres no mmr necessity to make a plat player or diamond show up to balance the teams. ive had several games that have 300-500 mmr difference in the teams AT THE MOST POPULATED TIME OF DAY none the less in a normal game (which is more populated thank ranked).
: matchmaking
side note, i also think WoW and Fort nite have a lot to do with this. Dyrus quit league and is playing WoW now and other streamers and putting less and less time into league. if the game isnt worth making 6 hundreds of thousands of dollars playing, just imagine how much the normal people are starting to hate playing it for free. rito plz listen to the player base
: i just made a similar post lol. i play with a bronze 3 friend who is legit bronze 3. we get matched with mid to high plat players 1-2 times a night and plat 5 players almost every game. there is NO LEGIT REASON for us to have to fight that. are games winnable? yes they are. are they fun? no. they are not fun period. its not fun having an evenly matched lane to have a plat player (lets say vs my bronze 3 friend in his lane or jungle) who do you thinks going to win that match up? ill struggle in mine to win and my friend will just get destroyed and its basically a 4v5 at that point. or they will be in my lane and ill slowly lose while everyone has their own problems elsewhere lol. ive recently had several games where the teams are 300-500 mmr apart. i would rather wait 15 min and watch a youtube video and have a good game EVERY game than have 1 min que and contemplate quitting every day i play. doesn't seem like a good business model for longevity. i am ok with a bad game once in a while, hell im ok with one bad game a day. i dont demand perfection in matchmaking i just want even enough to be worth the effort and investment from personal time.
i also think WoW and Fort nite are stealing a lot of the player base. i know Dyrus quit league and is playing WoW now and a multitude of other streamers and putting less and less in league even though they make hundreds of thousands (if not millions like imaqtpie) of dollars a year playing this game if that says anything. if the game isnt worth making 6 figures for its not worth the casual player either riot....
: why are low elo players forced to play against high elo players?
i just made a similar post lol. i play with a bronze 3 friend who is legit bronze 3. we get matched with mid to high plat players 1-2 times a night and plat 5 players almost every game. there is NO LEGIT REASON for us to have to fight that. are games winnable? yes they are. are they fun? no. they are not fun period. its not fun having an evenly matched lane to have a plat player (lets say vs my bronze 3 friend in his lane or jungle) who do you thinks going to win that match up? ill struggle in mine to win and my friend will just get destroyed and its basically a 4v5 at that point. or they will be in my lane and ill slowly lose while everyone has their own problems elsewhere lol. ive recently had several games where the teams are 300-500 mmr apart. i would rather wait 15 min and watch a youtube video and have a good game EVERY game than have 1 min que and contemplate quitting every day i play. doesn't seem like a good business model for longevity. i am ok with a bad game once in a while, hell im ok with one bad game a day. i dont demand perfection in matchmaking i just want even enough to be worth the effort and investment from personal time.
: Why do people feel the need to post a topic saying bye? Do you really think Riot is immediately going to change the game because you're leaving? Sorry to see ya go, dude, but in all honestly posting saying you're leaving means nothing
> [{quoted}](name=My Sea Cow,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YiKbewrE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-10T03:36:17.906+0000) > > Why do people feel the need to post a topic saying bye? Do you really think Riot is immediately going to change the game because you're leaving? Sorry to see ya go, dude, but in all honestly posting saying you're leaving means nothing i dont think its about riot noticing i think its about the player letting other players know its ok to quit. ive got my big beefs with riot over recent stuff, balance and ect and i suppose its nice knowing non ragers are quitting in droves. maybe hurting riots paycheck will give them motivation to back track in ways the player base wants.
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IainG10 (EUW)
: It stems from the misguided belief that it's at least fun for the players doing the ramming... Thing is, if they actually wanted a braindead, piss easy match where they went 25/0/25, they'd just go beat up some bots...
that's a good point. i like destroying on occasion but its not fun when its every game like you suggest. it would be one thing if it was a silver 1 player beating a silver 1 player and ending the game 25-0 like you said but its another thing when a diamond or plat 1 comes in and is just grieving to an extent because they are so much better. it also bothers me less that they are higher ranked significantly than my team not having a similarly ranked person to compete with them. had another game last night where my B3 friend was jungling and had to compete against a mid teir plat player and that went exactly as youd expect lol. its almost to the point i cant get mad anymore and im just looking for the other nails in the coffin and hoping competition comes in other games so league gets off their complacent butt and listens to the players.
: Why Even Play Anymore?
i feel the same way about matchmaking in normal games i can tell people dont wana play ranked because of the influx of higher rated players in my games. i duo with a bronze 3 and im silver 1 and we constantly get matched vs plat and low diamond players and we cant compete. games arent unwinnable but its not fun to get rammed in the ass every game
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: the problem with "just lowering everyone's damage"
id like a solid 10-20% nerf to everything except hp because of power creep personally. tanks less tanky, healers base heal down, adc ad growth stat down, all champs base damage down, and just leave the ratios as they are.
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: Is there a way to deal with "covert" trolling? Do report descriptions have any effect?
i just had a similar game where a jhin built nothing but attack speed items because "i wana go fast" so he had 150 ad at level 17 and hit like a wet piece of toiletpaper but he got his memes i guess and i got my loss. seems really unfair that he will go unpunished and ruined the experience for 4 other players because he felt like trolling and having 500 move speed just to get caught and cc chained to death over and over.
: I think people should be banned for this lack of sportsmanship, but apparently I'm in the minority and considered "extreme" for this opinion. It just boggles my mind that so few people on here have actually played a real sport and understand the frank necessity of sportsmanship.
cant ask sweaty nerds to know how sports work :P LOL
: Anyone else miss how the games used to be really long
i liked the long games because i liked champs like jinx and vayne that were massive late game :)
: I want to see enemy borders again
im fine with the borders being shown in ranked but not so much in normals.
: 150,000 blue essence
ikr ive never felt bad about buying tons of champs this year (around 15-17 champs just this year). i possibly could have reached that ammount since ive got a decent drive to want skins of those natures. it really makes me mad they release things like urf ww but then release things like championship riven 2016. why go through the effort to make a new skin title if they wont do it for all re-releases? kind of destroys the purpose of having a rare skin if all they do is rename some and not others. whats next pax tf for 1 million?
: Why does it take dozens of games to finally ban people who run down lane and AFK at tower?
ikr I think they need to IP ban those once they do catch them though with like replay evidence and stuff.
: Is there a way to report a player after the end screen?
Update: looked up their profiles and neither have any honor stuff so that means they have had it taken away already. If I got to report I legeit might be the straw to break the camels back. Rito plz lol.
: What do you guys miss from old League of Legends?
miss the game going slower. the tanks are tankier now and the burst damage is higher now because of the keystones and items. use to take 2-3 seconds to die as an adc unless it was a zed or something now everything that's not ivern can 100-0 you in no time flat lol
: Wouldn't banning accounts unjustly discourage people spending money on this game? At least you understand you flamed in games. Act toxic enough, and you get banned. You should have been told of an impending permaban in your previous punishment. As for your friend, if he wanted to wait 20 minutes just to get into queue, that's good enough for me. I have no idea if they punish players for chronic afk's, but I'd believe they would based on how they deal with chronic problems.
its not really a punishment if they can do other things like watch videos on their phones or something imo. challenger players go 30 min in que and just play other games waiting.
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