: ***
> [{quoted}](name=TiG Trashbag,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jiAtzFZ2,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2018-07-01T16:01:58.752+0000) > > It's not hate speech. Its a garbage system. Troll all you want but god forbid you said that word. I DO NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN GAME, THE ONLY THING THAT PISSES PEOPLE OFF IS WHEN TROLLERS DONT GET PUNISHED In other words, the only things that matter are the things you care about. It is hatespeech. It is the definition of hatespeech. Most players do not want it in the game, including me.
: 1st: Im not american, i couldnt give any less shit about your political agenda. 2nd: I never say Gg ez, i agree it's rubbing salt on the wound, i dont agree however with unproportional punishment because you get your panties in a twist over this. 3rd: Dont compare offical sport matches to random games, if faker would say GG ez in the end of a tournement he would get punished, your games however are more like street soccer matches where you just play and move on. Also stop hoping i get banned, it's very toxic to hope a fellow player will have his account banned.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcSnipeyz,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8fWmYQnu,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-07-01T06:08:08.675+0000) > > 1st: Im not american, i couldnt give any less shit about your political agenda. > > 2nd: I never say Gg ez, i agree it's rubbing salt on the wound, i dont agree however with unproportional punishment because you get your panties in a twist over this. > > 3rd: Dont compare offical sport matches to random games, if faker would say GG ez in the end of a tournement he would get punished, your games however are more like street soccer matches where you just play and move on. > > Also stop hoping i get banned, it's very toxic to hope a fellow player will have his account banned. Casual misogyny is also pretty toxic kiddo. You may not be American, but you've clearly learned to talk like a redneck somewhere.
: Claims I have made: .1. Glitches happen and may have been given wrong logs .2. If a punishment was given in error, will be corrected. I mean, if it turns out to be neither of those. I would be surprised if it was given for the snarkiness provided. I do recommend live chat if available. It may be faster, and expedite a ticket if not patient. If sticking with just a ticket, first response will be generic (which isn't a unique thing for Riot. Many companies to such.) and you would need to escalate/ask for review of the case.
Live chat doesn't appear to be available.
: Except they actually do reverse punishments given in error, and false positives. I.e. this player was banned for intentional feeding and support reversed the mistake and fixed the honor. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZkZWEUYE-banned-for-intentionally-feeding-but-it-was-just-a-hard-game There are also cases when the wrong part of the system issued a punishment. I.e. a chat punishment for a gameplay.
Well Panda, I guess we'll see, won't we? I assume that as a gentleman you will retract your claims when I have proved the fault in them.
mogonk (NA)
: So just literally never say anything at all, huh?
Fantasy. Riot is notorious for not reading support tickets and closing them ASAP. There have been thousands of complaints about this over the years. It was true Season 1, and it's true today. There is a de facto presumption of guilt in appeals, and I have literally never heard of support staff writing the words "we made a mistake". I dig that the kind of people who frequent the player behavior forum are going to be Riot cheerleaders here to enjoy a bit of schadenfreude at our expense, but you lot are just disassociated from reality. Only point of the post/thread is to call attention to yet another situation where the system failed. Don't expect it to make any difference.
: Because glitches in systems never happen right? All systems work perfectly and never bug. Contact support and they will either correct or provide the right logs.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m22QvVYI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-30T16:25:07.656+0000) > > Because glitches in systems never happen right? All systems work perfectly and never bug. > > Contact support and they will either correct or provide the right logs. Been there, done that. I'll get a message in a week, long after the chat restriction is finished, and it will be a form reply that clearly shows they didn't read the message. I feel like you've never had to deal with Riot support if you actually think that.
Rioter Comments
: Riot always said that they wanted this game to be like a sport therefore competitive
Simple. They say what you want to hear. And they do what they want to do. Because they don't give a fuck about you.
ZeeWolfZ (NA)
: Played with these guys for months, some for years. Several quit after hitting Diamond, others quit after frustration. I'm in the same boat. Log on as a habit, then I think to myself "do I want to play this?" and I log off.
> [{quoted}](name=ZeeWolfZ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9IzAN3Ex,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-06T01:11:32.727+0000) > > Played with these guys for months, some for years. Several quit after hitting Diamond, others quit after frustration. > > I'm in the same boat. > > Log on as a habit, then I think to myself "do I want to play this?" and I log off. A lot of my friends and I have been playing since Season 1. We all quit this season. Must be a coincidence.
Pyro (EUNE)
: Dynamic Queue can be fixed with one simple checkbox
The only fix is uninstalling League of Legends.
: The big difference is that social play is a lot more important to a moba than going up in rank. They incentivized it in a terrible way, but they do need it to make sure that league can be the "forever game" they want it to be.
> [{quoted}](name=Chaoswlkr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FX4qAEx0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-05-05T06:43:11.455+0000) > > The big difference is that social play is a lot more important to a moba than going up in rank. They incentivized it in a terrible way, but they do need it to make sure that league can be the "forever game" they want it to be. You think that they plan to keep League going for decades? Why? Because they said so? What are they gonna say? "Yeah, we plan on shutting LoL down some day, go ahead and move on to a new title if you find one that's interesting"? Hell no. They're going to perpetuate the idea that LoL will liver forever as long as they can because the supposed permanence of the game is one of the things that keeps players invested in it, keeps them buying RP.
: Change the name of Dynamic Queue so it makes more sense.
But it's so...dynamic! So compelling, energetic, forceful, lively, powerful, productive, progressive, vigorous.....dynamic! yeah its horseshit marketing
Rioter Comments
: What Motivates YOU to Continue Playing?
: We're reworking mages guys
> [{quoted}](name=Brandon Heat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XsY2U7dP,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-05-03T14:36:55.293+0000) > > So who really comes out on top from this rework? Veigar is an absolute monster now. Like, I can pretty much guarantee the very next patch after this update they will nerf Veigar, and until then he's going to see close to a 60% winrate.
Fovere (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=billxx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a30uE9ar,comment-id=00000001000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-30T20:30:58.094+0000) > > And you misunderstand. I don't care that you don't like dynamic queue. What you don't get is that this is better for most players. You act as if you should get solo queue for your 'service' to the game. You can display your opinion, of course, however it has been said 200 times before and you look whiny. This isn't even my favourite game btw. Except it's not better for most players. Most players don't want to play ranked, and don't. The issue isn't that players can't queue in with friends, its that players don't want to be accountable for their performance. Which is why DQ is bad. Most "casual" players don't want a ranking, so its not serving them, where the so-called "competitive" players want legitimate ladders and matchmaking. Groups of "serious" players probably want ranked teams back so they can actually practice all those skills these DQ people claim are so fundamental to gameplay.
> [{quoted}](name=Fovere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a30uE9ar,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-05-02T15:53:58.510+0000) > > Except it's not better for most players. Most players don't want to play ranked, and don't. > > The issue isn't that players can't queue in with friends, its that players don't want to be accountable for their performance. > > Which is why DQ is bad. > > Most "casual" players don't want a ranking, so its not serving them, where the so-called "competitive" players want legitimate ladders and matchmaking. > > Groups of "serious" players probably want ranked teams back so they can actually practice all those skills these DQ people claim are so fundamental to gameplay. Yeah pretty much this.
: Playing since s3 And still silver And bitching about dyanmic que Let me guess, you lose because of dyanmic and it's why you can't climb?
> [{quoted}](name=BIH Diamond,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a30uE9ar,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-04-29T22:36:40.418+0000) > > Playing since s3 Reading is hard.
A Ocean (EUW)
: That's the fucking point of Riot introducing a system that "lets us play with our friends in Ranked more easily". Just go play Normals! That's a solution! Yay!
> [{quoted}](name=Total Slappage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FMRsqau0,comment-id=000f0000,timestamp=2016-04-29T19:22:32.104+0000) > > That's the fucking point of Riot introducing a system that "lets us play with our friends in Ranked more easily". Just go play Normals! That's a solution! Yay! I lol'd. They're banking on the idea that most people don't care about real competition, just getting higher rank. So they don't think anybody will object to just playing with their friends until they get boosted high enough. Dynamic Queue is the ultimate demonstration that Riot doesn't give a fuck about the quality of their game or the integrity of competition. They care about player retention and conversion rates.
McKeifus (NA)
: Ya I'm down to like one game a night and it's easy, because games aren't that fun anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=McKeifus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a30uE9ar,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-04-29T20:53:09.217+0000) > > Ya I'm down to like one game a night and it's easy, because games aren't that fun anymore. Right?
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=mogonk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VagATJtE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-27T07:21:57.636+0000) > > There's not going to be a solo queue. that'd be a terrible idea.
> [{quoted}](name=Best KhaZix Void,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VagATJtE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-04-27T07:27:33.267+0000) > > that'd be a terrible idea. This isn't speculation. There isn't going to be a solo queue, fact. Riot's basically said that League is meant to be played with friends and that dynamic queue is what they want LoL to be. That's it, gg.
: Don't let Premades vote for remake if one of their members is the one that is dc'd.
Sorry, but expecting Riot not to show favoritism toward premades ignores everything we know about how they're making decisions right now. If you queue for ranked without at least two friends you're asking to get fucked. That's the way it is and that's the way it's going to stay. Riot's basically dared players who don't like it to quit, they're calling your bluff. You can complain on the forums as much as you want, they don't give a shit.
: Where is Solo Queue?
There's not going to be a solo queue.
: Randoms vs a 3 person group in the same club.
You might as well uninstall then, because that update isn't coming. Seriously, never. There will be premades in ranked until they shut the servers down. Sorry.
Elikain (EUNE)
: So, his PhD and masters degree is the problem? Because analyzing player behavior and figuring out how to find common ground and have an overall better experience in games isn't something we all want? You said 3 systems. I skimmed the thread and those three seem to be (added one more): * An honor system * Tribunal * Auto Tribunal * now Dynamic Queue Off the bat, i don't agree with the first three points. Before Honor System, we had nothing. It was a step in the right direction of identifying honorable players but it was quickly realized that the system wasn't designed right as there was no incentive to give out honors. Players in parties shared them among themselves and solo players didn't believe that anyone deserved to me commended for anything. What exactly did we lose with this system? It isn't disruptive, it doesn't impact our gameplay. It was basically just a small feature to promote 3 types of good behavior when it came to being a sportsmanlike player. **It could definitely use improving** but the community didn't lose anything by having it in the game. The Tribunal - we were first given the opportunity to define what a toxic behavior is in League. Anyone getting reported would reach the Tribunal and all it took for them to be punished was that the majority of jurors to be in favor of it. The player in question, even if he did nothing wrong, would be punished regardless. **I find it funny how the post implied that it may be League which promotes toxicity but when the community was given the power to judge players in such a way, we chose the wrong path.** We weren't being fair towards people, which led to the Tribunal being taken down. As far as IP rewards go, it was 1 IP per correct case. You'd hardly even get 100 cases in a few days, so these rewards were so small that were only eliminating cases where you were a few IP short of your purchase and you didn't have to play a game for that. Auto Tribunal - i don't see anything wrong with this system, it does it's job without being entirely community driven. It has the capacity to learn from us and recognize the behavior that we don't accept. We were once given a chance to shape the community and we didn't take it. And now, we're not cool with the decision that this important task was left to a machine? There were also a lot of assumptions about people literally reporting anyone for anything and i've never heard of a case where this was true. I've even decided to test this myself and ended up reporting my entire team and enemies for straight 100 games. That's 900 reports. I've only received a notification that just one player has been punished and that was a player who was griefing in the majority of his games by being exactly like tyler1. The notification popped up because i was one of the deciding votes that triggered the system. The report categories were also revised in the meantime. One other point that i'd like to make is the one where Riot goes to great lengths to permanently ban people as a last resort. It's not because of the money, it's because they believe in reform. Being increasingly and relentlessly toxic racks up your punishment tiers and with each tier, the longer it takes to shake it off. And if you continue with it, you will be permanently banned. I'd rather that they don't go full Digital Extremes (Warframe) and ban players permanently and IP ban them because of a single mistake. Warframe has a strict policy on their forums as well - if you so much as claim you know better than the developers and go as far as to go against them, you'd be having the forum access revoked and if the same happened in in-game chat (a lot of ban phrases that will time you out for 24 hours and more), you'd get banned without a second thought. It's far from being a Nazi mods environment but you definitely don't have the freedom you have here. --- And a point about a Replay system - it was on PBE over a year ago for testing purposes. The reason why it still isn't in the game is because of the old client. The new client is in Alpha stage and it's probably a few months away at most. After this major pain point has been addressed, then we'd probably see new features being added that Riot's behind on. #There's no use crying over spilled milk. It is what it is and the only thing you can do is not dwell on the past but look forward to the future.
> [{quoted}](name=Elikain,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MTVvfuwb,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000010001,timestamp=2016-04-25T21:38:41.323+0000) > > #There's no use crying over spilled milk. It is what it is and the only thing you can do is stop playing League of Legends. ftfy
Dealth (NA)
: To those against Dynamic Queue
Even if premades don't coordinate (and many do), they have an advantage in ranked because the quality of their teammates is more consistent. This means that they rise faster. They may not have an advantage in any given game, but in a series of games they will win more consistently, which is what really matters. Even without coordination, premades have an advantage, and when they DO coordinate that advantage becomes massive.
: Let's Brainstorm a Solution to Dynamic Queue
: Every time I experience the bullshit of premades, I'll post.
Complaining on the boards is like pissing in an ocean of piss. Riot simply doesn't care. They're not going to start caring because a few thousand of us complain about it. The only thing you can really do to show you care about this is quit playing. And even that won't actually make a difference. Riot wins, players lose, gg.
Akeydel (NA)
: Unless im mistaken: >Halfway threw s4 is when they had 2. He is saying that some of these problems were caused by duos. In which case he's absolutely right. The problems already existed, they were only made worse by large parties.
> [{quoted}](name=Akeydel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E4Ttpwt2,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2016-04-24T02:50:24.027+0000) > > Unless im mistaken: > > He is saying that some of these problems were caused by duos. > In which case he's absolutely right. The problems already existed, they were only made worse by large parties. Correct. True Solo Queue would have been better than DQ OR the old SQ. If they had ever planned to actually do that. Which they didn't.
: Solution to Dynamic Queue
How does it being a team game have anything to do with giving some players an unfair advantage over others? How does having a bunch of friends who play LoL make you a better LoL player? Like most people, you just want to exploit the system to gain ranking, and you don't really care that dynamic queue has made that precious ranking totally meaningless.
: No more buying LP - Bring Back Solo Q
The only way to "take a stand" is to stop playing the game. And Riot really doesn't care if a few people quit. There's nothing any of us can do. I'm done with the game, personally.
: And at the end of the day we still want Solo Queue
It's over, man. They know you want SQ; they don't care. Find a new game.
: Where did all the support go?
We quit. I'm playing Hearthstone and a little Dota 2 while I wait for Overwatch to release. Uninstalled LoL a few days ago. I'm not sure why I'm even on the boards, but most of us will probably never come back here. You won't be seeing threads because we aren't here to make them. So I guess that fixed the issue of the people who wanted solo queue, right? When all the unhappy players quit, you don't have any more unhappy players. /riotlogic
lolptwo (NA)
: I just like to point out how Riot successfully forced Dynamic Q on the community
> [{quoted}](name=AegonTheDragon7,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yKq7LgwE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-21T13:33:30.433+0000) > > They've successfully ignored us long enough that everyone has given up asking for it > > *Slow Clap Riot* Now they know that can do that with anything the community doesn't like. > > > What are you guys going to do? Quit the game? They already knew that. This isn't some technique Riot is pioneering, this is standard PR when you make a controversial change like this. First lie, then soften the lie, then make excuses, then pretend the issue doesn't exist. Always, always works. And yeah, I've quit playing. But Riot really doesn't care if a few people quit.
: For now, all we can do is stop playing LoL and stop spending money on RP. It's such a shame Riot has taken this "aggresive" stance into alienating solo queue players. "We aren't the kind of player we want" Well, solo queue player helped Riot reach of what it has become. This is starting to look of what WoW and Diablo 3 development team did. They want to reach more players, but in reality they are damaging the core element of what made the product great in the first place.
> [{quoted}](name=Osaka 778,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7yzE10dQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-19T14:36:40.882+0000) > > For now, all we can do is stop playing LoL and stop spending money on RP. That's what it seems like.
Rioter Comments
: No, like they've said, they've been trying to make it work and will continue to do so until it's not possible. Players have already stopped spending money (myself included) and more will do, but moaning on the boards is just unnecessary and is ruining the actual reasons why we all started coming here in the first place.
> [{quoted}](name=DevlinCrow,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEUTpY1c,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-04-13T16:02:58.695+0000) > > No, like they've said, they've been trying to make it work And you believe that? That's cute.
papaz (EUNE)
: Fascist mods on Reddit removes everything about soloQ because they think this is a feature that belong in "riotpls" section of lol subreddit. This just further pisses off most of us. Bad idea to try to silence something as big as this. We need to talk about it until we get a decision from Riot
> [{quoted}](name=papaz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ar9gVl5X,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-04-13T04:22:08.672+0000) > > Bad idea to try to silence something as big as this. We need to talk about it until we get a decision from Riot Is it, though? From a PR perspective, limiting where people can discuss this without completely shutting down any discussion seems like the smart play to me. If they went full censorship mode on the boards as well, that would cause some tables to flip. But by having the reddit mods shut down SQ discussion on reddit, they force people who want to talk about this to come to the boards, where the traffic is much lower and fewer people will see the posts. Smart.
: I love playing toplane as a Solo player and constantly getting towerdived by their top, jungle, mid premade.
> [{quoted}](name=The Bíg Ticket,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z6rIsL7K,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-13T00:25:48.538+0000) > > I love playing toplane as a Solo player and constantly getting towerdived by their top, jungle, mid premade. Yeah, that's really fun, isn't it?
: Can we unlock soloq in hextech box?
Sure, but you need keys to unlock it every single time you want to play it. And keys only drop when you play with your friends. ##riottactics
: Dynamic Queue is NOT balanced
Because the stats on that are simply made up. Anybody who plays regularly knows that this happens all the time.
Lettow (NA)
: So Many Solo Queue Threads
Yeah, Riot isn't going to respond to this. It really doesn't matter how much of a fuss the community makes. They're going to maintain radio silence and wait for the storm to pass. And the thing is, it will pass. Some people will quit, but most players are going to wind up taking what Riot gives them.
: Solo Que?
[Never gonna happen.](http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5E4pnUW5-why-there-will-never-be-a-ranked-solo-queue?show=flat)
Wulffrith (EUNE)
: People queue in group out of frustration
Sure. Essentially Riot is giving you a way to cheat in ranked. More and more people are going to throw up their hands and say "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!"
: Just a few days ago I played ranked as a solo player. The experience was shit. Basically what happened was that the riot gods decided to pitch a team of 5 solo players against a 4 MAN FUCKING PREMADE
> [{quoted}](name=laststanding6,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NtzcijbV,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2016-04-13T06:39:23.526+0000) > > Just a few days ago I played ranked as a solo player. The experience was shit. Basically what happened was that the riot gods decided to pitch a team of 5 solo players against a 4 MAN FUCKING PREMADE Yep. This happens all the time. More and more people are catching on that this is essentially an exploit in the ranked system.
: Dynamic Queue
> [{quoted}](name=Deviantdev,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pzkv744g,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-13T07:35:49.324+0000) > > Is it actually fair for people who play solo and even duo to go against 5v5 mob squads? No. > [{quoted}](name=Deviantdev,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pzkv744g,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-13T07:35:49.324+0000) > > Why should league of legends be a popularity contest where the way you sway your odds is by having the most friends to play as 5 in dynamic queue. Because social players continue playing LoL longer and spend more money on the game, and Riot cares more about that than the integrity of ranked competition. > [{quoted}](name=Deviantdev,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pzkv744g,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-13T07:35:49.324+0000) > > Its messed up, and frankly frustrating. Yep.
: Please stop with these posts, they'll release it if it's best for the game, they won't release it if it isn't. All these posts are just clogging up the Boards.
> [{quoted}](name=DevlinCrow,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEUTpY1c,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-13T14:56:25.487+0000) > > Please stop with these posts, they'll release it if it's best for the game, they won't release it if it isn't. > > All these posts are just clogging up the Boards. What's "good for the game" is a matter of perspective. From Riot's perspective "good for the game" means it makes them more money. You can probably see why the players have slightly different priorities.
Telenus (EUW)
: Riot makes an Article how great Dynamic que is...
First rule of PR: if you're going to lie, lie boldly. Don't half-ass it. Say something you know is 100% false as if it were 100% true, and then stick to that no matter what.
: Dynamic queue is fine for normals, but not for ranked
But the point is to make people feel like they're "getting somewhere" or achieving something. That way they keep playing. And that's the same reason DQ is here to stay: people who play with friends keep playing longer and spend more money. Riot does not give a shit about whether DQ isn't a suitable game mode for "serious competition" or whatever. They just care about whether it makes them more money, and it does.
Cebelon (EUNE)
: ah yes thats gonna solve my problem oh wait...
> [{quoted}](name=Cebelon,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aZtEvT5y,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-04-13T15:32:50.201+0000) > > ah yes thats gonna solve my problem oh wait... Well, given that you said your problem is that the quality of your teams is really uneven, yes, it will. Make a bunch of friends who are as good or better than you. Only play with them. You will be Diamond 1 or higher soon. Grouping up and smashing solo players is how you rise now. Start exploiting the system or get used to losing.
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