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: So Riot has had their worst year in a long time...
When Riot does nothing to curb the amount of trolls but I get my first chat restriction in 7 years because I dared to call someone running it down mid a "kid", I think the game is beyond saving.
Jo0o (NA)
: Abuse potential aside, this would at the very least cause widespread LP inflation.
If the amount of people being banned significantly impacts MMR because people simply aren't LOSING MMR for games someone was punished from, then the game is beyond screwed. If the argument is that there is literally that many games being trolled, then what would be the point in playing competitively anyway?
: > [{quoted}](name=mrchipopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QVa7tMcj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-13T18:25:58.851+0000) > > Oh, nvm, not only did they not get punished, i did, for this > > Game 1 > In-Game > mrchipopo: oh, they get invade and i get no help. > mrchipopo: cool, hope nobody wants ganks > mrchipopo: are you serious trundle, you dont help me take their red and you let your laner come take my blue and kill me too? > mrchipopo: trundle just threw the game > mrchipopo: gg > mrchipopo: lol, no, its what we had to do. but what about your laner coming to take my other buff whule you afkeD? > mrchipopo: lol, youre not getting any ganks > mrchipopo: also you said at lvl 2, i never made it to t > mrchipopo: im gonna gank with just a w at lvl 1 with no hp? > mrchipopo: k, youre clearly working with half a brain cell, gonna mute and watch you feed and lose > mrchipopo: you see trundle just following me aroundthe map now? > mrchipopo: pls report, troll every game > mrchipopo: hes a troll. too bad riot doesnt actually ban people that ruin games > mrchipopo: enjoy your free win > mrchipopo: its not your fault for you trolling? > mrchipopo: whats funny is we woulda won too > mrchipopo: lol, if only you werent a horrible troll > Game 2 > Pre-Game > mrchipopo: youre not really going garen supp, right? > mrchipopo: then dodge > mrchipopo: dont troll > In-Game > mrchipopo: oh boy > mrchipopo: are you serious karth? > mrchipopo: lol, hes gonna > mrchipopo: i got to make up for you afking during invade > mrchipopo: wow > mrchipopo: hes trolling you, try to farm and stay safe > mrchipopo: he just flashed to steal your kill > mrchipopo: gj > mrchipopo: we're gonna need at least wards > mrchipopo: drag > mrchipopo: standing right next to me > mrchipopo: looking at the supp > mrchipopo: goes garen supp, when it doesnt work tries to ff. yep, def not a troll at all > mrchipopo: now hes inting > mrchipopo: well just go ahead and steal mine since he stole yours > mrchipopo: pls report troll supp garen > mrchipopo: the worst? > mrchipopo: we have no wards > mrchipopo: i just have to learn to dodge the trolls > mrchipopo: i know > Post-Game > mrchipopo: another game, another troll > mrchipopo: you trolled > mrchipopo: i reported you, but im sure nothing will happen > mrchipopo: enjoy trolling Sounds like YOU are the guy I wouldn't want to end up queued with!
Well then maybe this game is no longer for me. If people would actually rather play with trolls that are intentionally losing games than people who might occasionally call a troll, a troll, then this community might be beyond my ability to handle silliness.
zPOOPz (NA)
: You said you got trolled 3 out 5 in the other thread. Now, it's 3 out 7. Toxicity situation much had really improved!
I was including the 2 games that were remakes. My clarification was 3 out 5 PLAYED games.
rujitra (NA)
: Do people in a store like seeing someone break some of the stores merchandise? No, of course not. Do they like seeing someone else run around screaming about what’s happening? No. Both are wrong, and both will get you kicked out of the store.
I'll take you up on that. Let's both go to a store, you start running around breaking things and I'll yell out "hey, there's someone here breaking crap!" and we'll see what happens. I think you know exactly what will happen though.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Please quote me when I said "that Garen didn't troll you, you're just toxic." Of course you don't see any logic in that, because that's not what I said. This is going to be my last response. Please _read_ what I said and don't form any conclusions that I wasn't insinuating. Good luck.
Once again, avoided your own argument. dismiss, accuse, and ignore. the tactics of those that oppose truth.
Hotarµ (NA)
: The problem here is that you're painting yourself in a positive light. Yes, it _would_ be different if you said "Hey! Stop doing that, it's against the rules." That's not the case though considering you spent the majority of the game berating someone who you thought was a troll. Rule breaking is rule breaking regardless of who started it. I can't stop you from quitting and I can't make you see what the real issue here is. Take responsibility for your actions because Riot isn't at fault here. Good luck.
I thought was a troll? That here is the issue actually. You're telling me that someone who leaves their lane just after 2 min and follows me around the jg for the rest of the game might NOT be a troll? And that me saying they are a troll is unjust harassment? I really do not see any logic in this. But it looks like you still avoided your own argument and keep changing the conversation to another aspect to try to paint me in a negative light, still attempting to paint the trolls in a positive one. This is my grievance.
Flypish (EUW)
: Enjoy playing fortnite
Somehow, still better managed than league. Apex looks fun though.
rujitra (NA)
: You're free to draw attention to it by reporting the behavior. You are not free to harass others just because you're frustrated.
It's like someone going through a store smashing things and I yell out "hey, don't do that, that's wrong!" and the police come arrest me. That's what you telling me that I'm harassing others is akin to.
rujitra (NA)
: So stop playing League. It'll make the games better for those who would've been matched with you. Most players understand trolls will always exist and they'll lose some games. Doesn't mean they want to watch someone be a jerk in chat like you were.
looks like you avoided the lack of logic in your argument. But yes, I'm sure most people would rather play with a troll losing games than someone who would dare **gasp** call said troll a... troll. How unsightly! My eyes are burning!!! You might be right though. if people really would rather have an unplayable game and cater to trolls than dare see someone say something truthful, then it might be time for me to quit playing.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > I'm the one harassing them as I got followed around the jg and trolled? Yes. I'm not saying they may not have been guilty of harassment, but the point still stands that you don't get to critique someone's rule breaking behavior and then break the rules yourself. >Also, 6 years of being a customer and supporting a game without punishment does say something. / But no, I will not put up with being punished for being abused in game. It's an unacceptable business practice towards its customers, and I wont stand for it. So if I support a store by purchasing their goods for 6 years straight, they shouldn't throw me out when I come in one day and start disrupting the business? That's not how things work. You agreed to the TOS and rules, Riot isn't at fault here. As I said above, you don't get to use your previous good behavior as a shield when you break the rules.
More like, If I'm a customer for 6 years of a store, and then I come in to the store and another customer starts to push me around, stealing the items off the shelf I'm trying to get, and is literally only in the store to disrupt other people, and then I say out loud "hey buddy, what are you doing, this is wrong" and then they throw me out for saying something about the guy literally ruining shopping experience. Then yes, I would stop shopping there as well. Try another analogy.
Flypish (EUW)
: Enjoy farming your honor from lvl 0 buddy
I'm not going to. they will either reverse this, or I'll go play a game that doesn't protect trolls and punish it's customers.
: The game contains more factors than "you" and "person pissing you off." It contains up to 8 more people who just want to play the game and not hear a pissing contest between two people that can't shut up.
Yes, I'm sure they were totally fine with being trolled for free losses, but were very offended that I called them a troll. makes perfect sense.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >This is ridiculous. 6 years playing, not a single punishment, and now I'm being punished after having my experience ruined by trolls? I will never understand why people think that consecutive years of good behavior should shield them from punishment. Yes, you did break the rules here. After a certain amount of time, asking for reports is considered player harassment and it's clear that your interactions with those trolls was taking your focus off of the game. Mute or ignore them, report them at the end of the game, file a support ticket if you have to, you do not have the right to flame someone (**even if they may be** trolling) and act like you didn't break the rules. >Riot, I'm serious, if you do not fix this, I'm done. Not going to happen, sorry. This ban wasn't made in error. It's not that big a deal, it's a single 10 game chat restriction, just play it out and use it as a warning in the future.
I'm the one harassing them as I got followed around the jg and trolled? Also, 6 years of being a customer and supporting a game without punishment does say something. That's why theres such a thing as character witness in court. But no, I will not put up with being punished for being abused in game. It's an unacceptable business practice towards its customers, and I wont stand for it.
Jo0o (NA)
: You have my sympathy, but you should know that punishment confirmation messages are very rare, so not receiving one doesn’t mean a punishment wasn’t issued. LP forgiveness would be nice, but how exactly would it work?
If a person has to be punished for their actions in game, forgive the lp of the people that played with them. This way, if anyone wants to abuse the system, they literally have to level up an account, only to get 3 or 4 lp forgiveness games before they're permabanned. It simply wouldn't be feasible to abuse.
Jo0o (NA)
: Flaming trolls helps nobody, though.
Was this extreme flame? letting people know a few times during a game that someone is trolling so they don't slip through without a report is flaming? I should sit totally silent to give them an even bigger chance of getting through and doing it again? This is how the game is run? I'm supposed to not even draw attention to wrong doing or I'm punished? This is the most backwards, fascist philosophy in a game. Get abused silently, or get banned.
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: 3 games trolled out of the last 7, are we serious riot?
Oh, nvm, not only did they not get punished, i did, for this Game 1 In-Game mrchipopo: oh, they get invade and i get no help. mrchipopo: cool, hope nobody wants ganks mrchipopo: are you serious trundle, you dont help me take their red and you let your laner come take my blue and kill me too? mrchipopo: trundle just threw the game mrchipopo: gg mrchipopo: lol, no, its what we had to do. but what about your laner coming to take my other buff whule you afkeD? mrchipopo: lol, youre not getting any ganks mrchipopo: also you said at lvl 2, i never made it to t mrchipopo: im gonna gank with just a w at lvl 1 with no hp? mrchipopo: k, youre clearly working with half a brain cell, gonna mute and watch you feed and lose mrchipopo: you see trundle just following me aroundthe map now? mrchipopo: pls report, troll every game mrchipopo: hes a troll. too bad riot doesnt actually ban people that ruin games mrchipopo: enjoy your free win mrchipopo: its not your fault for you trolling? mrchipopo: whats funny is we woulda won too mrchipopo: lol, if only you werent a horrible troll Game 2 Pre-Game mrchipopo: youre not really going garen supp, right? mrchipopo: then dodge mrchipopo: dont troll In-Game mrchipopo: oh boy mrchipopo: are you serious karth? mrchipopo: lol, hes gonna mrchipopo: i got to make up for you afking during invade mrchipopo: wow mrchipopo: hes trolling you, try to farm and stay safe mrchipopo: he just flashed to steal your kill mrchipopo: gj mrchipopo: we're gonna need at least wards mrchipopo: drag mrchipopo: standing right next to me mrchipopo: looking at the supp mrchipopo: goes garen supp, when it doesnt work tries to ff. yep, def not a troll at all mrchipopo: now hes inting mrchipopo: well just go ahead and steal mine since he stole yours mrchipopo: pls report troll supp garen mrchipopo: the worst? mrchipopo: we have no wards mrchipopo: i just have to learn to dodge the trolls mrchipopo: i know Post-Game mrchipopo: another game, another troll mrchipopo: you trolled mrchipopo: i reported you, but im sure nothing will happen mrchipopo: enjoy trolling
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Alzon (NA)
: I have about 450k Mastery on a champion that doesn’t agree with you :^)
You can't really disagree with a question, but ok.
: If no lanes have priority, then the jungler is likely 1-2 levels behind. That puts you in a situation where the only safe move is to ward and farm. Ganking a losing lane while you're behind and the opponent has vision control is basically feeding tbqh famalam
That wasn't my question, my question was: is that fun?
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: I hesitate to blame Riot for the actions of the **many** toxic plebs of their community...and at the same time, I also hesitate to remove the blame from them, as their methods for handling them are not doing the job. Still, I would have to say the core of the issue is in the people, not the game. It goes without saying that people ruin everything, and are the reason most of us can't have nice things.
You know, they could actually do something about it? They manage to ban every person that ever says a naughty word, but people run free openly claiming they're rage quitting or trolling and nothing ever happens. Their focus is the same progressive thought police bs that's ruining society. Focus on the problems, not the way people make you "feel".
Quáx (NA)
: I really don't see how player action is Riots fault. Yea that's unlucky and they'll get punished for it, but they cannot control if someone dodges, only punish it. They can't control trolls from trolling, only punish it and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Riot can't control you from getting stomped and making you ff@15. Do not blame this on the creators for something completely out of their hands.
It's not the game creators responsibility to make the game experience moderately enjoyable by monitoring the community in ways that actually impact the gameplay? It seems like in a team based online game, that should be their first priority. End of the day though, if the game isn't fun, it's their fault and their responsibility.
: Dodge, dodge, dodge, troll, dodge, remake, dodge,ff at 15, dodge, afk.....
5 games, two remakes, two trolled games to losses, and 15 dodges. You're telling me riot can't do ANYTHING to make this experience less awful!?
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: Stop giving me all these key fragments I can't use
I'll trade you, I have 45 boxes and no keys.
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: ? because they have to make money they already gave us a way to get free skins making it so that you can only get skins would make them lose so much more and tbh i cant complain i got so many high quality skins without spending money on them so theres your answer if you get champ shards most of the time its just bad luck since its a randomized process
You're missing the point, this would make them more money. Currently, I will absolutely not spend real money to open my 42 boxes because it's very likely that money will turn into BE, which is currently completely useless to me. If they disabled champ shards in boxes JUST for people with all champions, it would motivate them to purchase keys, or boxes, with real money. I would, since I would love to see what I could get from 42 boxes, but I'm not gonna piss money down the drain just to get a useless BE currency. That's a downright scam.
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Gall (NA)
: No video game has enough resources to have a full court and trial over a player behavior issue
What if I told you that this game had a jury of one's own peers deciding these things as well? And that they did so when they had even more players than they do now? What if I told you they intentionally removed this system so they could install an automated one that doesn't take any context into account? What if I told you they intentionally disabled a system that appropriately punished people to install one that didn't, but would punish **more** people? What if I told you that they did this, not to make the game community better, but to simply reduce the amount of naughty things that were said in chat so they could have data to suggest they are "dealing" with toxicity? I'm fine with ignorant cop-outs for corporations, as long as we aren't excusing them from the ability to do something they've already done! I know for fact this is not beyond their ability, because they did exactly that for 5 friggin seasons. It is not that they cannot have context, it's that they do not want to have context. They do not want to reduce gameplay toxicity, or care about reducing actual toxicity, they just want to be able to say they are, and have data to prove it. How do they do this? Simply make a system that bans people for saying x,y, or z and now they can claim x,y, and z have been reduced. In my opinion, I much rathered when the tribunal would give a guy a break if he was being blatantly trolled, or would be able to identify someone being a jerk intentionally without saying naughty words. Since the tribunal went away, at least half my games have a griefer in them and I know that I can neither say anything to them, nor will Riot take any action against them. But thanks for excusing them from the responsibility to do the moral and reasonable thing, you corporate puppet.
: To be fair, if assassins can't kill Squishies reliably we will revert back to season 7 ardent adc meta.
I know, I'm glad they buffed assassins like gragas, malphite, and lux. Finally assassins will be in a healthy spot
: What about making smite start at 1000 damage and scale to 2500? LMAO What about taking away and energy from every champ to make them like Garen?
Now you're thinking like a true Riot balance team member. Riot, hire this man asap.
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: Why do I have 35 boxes and no keys?
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: You could, but would it really fix the cancer? There are just so many more than 10 cancer champs. Go ahead with bans, I just don't know if they're the solution we need. Wouldn't it be better to unlock the whole roster in ARURF?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Fuzzi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ytRggyf3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-16T00:46:37.356+0000) > > You could, but would it really fix the cancer? There are just so many more than 10 cancer champs. > > Go ahead with bans, I just don't know if they're the solution we need. > > Wouldn't it be better to unlock the whole roster in ARURF? There are champs that take the place as "strongest" and then there are champs that are just plain broken. Eve is broken, Wu is broken.
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: A guide to what gets a permanent ban and what doesn't
At least there's someone out there who get's it... Too bad Riot can't admit the truth and do something about it. I'll go back to getting trolled in my ranked games I guess...
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: ***
> [{quoted}](name=magewick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EHqujM9O,comment-id=000a00000001,timestamp=2017-04-06T17:59:10.004+0000) > > You misunderstand how ranked works. Mmr has been proven to be the best measure of individual merit in the setting of a moba. League isn't against measuring individual merit, it has already adopted the best available measurement of individual merit. ELO (which is what MMR is) is a system designed for chess players, which is a 1v1 game. Your insinuation is that it's a PROVEN fact that this is the BEST method of ranking individuals within a team game?? Tell me then, why is exclusive to mobas then? Why hasn't any other team game/sport adopted this system? Why is every game filled with frustrated individuals unconvinced that their own merits are the main cause of their rank? It is illogical to assume that ranking an individual based on the win/loss of random collections of 4 other people is the best way to determine their skill. It may currently be the best available way to do so, but it's certainly not the best, by a long shot.
: You're comparing pro football players to regular league players when the actual best comparison is to _pro League players_. So you're stupid and your premise is bullshit.
> [{quoted}](name=LyingOnLine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EHqujM9O,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-04-06T17:04:05.809+0000) > > You're comparing pro football players to regular league players when the actual best comparison is to _pro League players_. > > So you're stupid and your premise is bullshit. Theres always one person who says "but those examples aren't identical, therefore the comparison is dumb!!" ok, take any team sport, in any capacity, and tell me which one totally ignores the merits of the individual??? From making varsity in high school sports, to professional team anything, the methods are similar. There are merits that one attains by themselves that allows them to progress, and there are rewards for teams. Both exist in literally every team sport/game EXCEPT mobas (specifically league obviously).
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