: Permanently Banned for toxicity
Games 1 & 2 aren't the worst chat I've seen, but they're not exactly clean, either. There's some stuff in there that isn't really OK. If you decide to come back, I'd recommend focusing on having a quicker mute button. You don't need to say anything to people who are being jerks; just mute them. When you get into a back-and-forth it makes a bad situation worse. It's bad enough to have to deal with a jerk on the team without also having to deal with another teammate egging them on.
: OP obviously asked about gameplay related offenses, if you just read the post, you can find it out. After this the guy said, that we can see posts crying about being banned, but it is totally irrelevant to OP, since he did not ask about chat offenses and on the Boards we almost only see these. I have no idea why are you trying to argue with me, when you clearly do not even understand why i wrote my original 2 words... You are right, no posts on the Boards does not mean that there are no punishments. Also, posts about chat related punishments again mean nothing about gameplay ones. Gatekeeper's comment was just totally pointless, what i tried to point out with mine.
The message sent is not always the message received. Perhaps some additional context would have made the intent of those two words clearer.
TakenFTW (NA)
: I'm not habitually toxic, one in every say, 10 games I may get tilted and will exert toxicity only to try and make players do a little better and learn from mistakes I do not constantly attack a player for falling behind or just having one bad game my temper only shortens when players do things like int and admit to it and grief and admit to it. because who wants an inter or a griefer if someone is very behind in farm or kills and they tell me theyre trying then I try and help them catch up.
I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I didn't say you were habitually toxic; I was explaining why Riot no longer uses increasing/permanent chat restrictions, and escalates from chat restrictions to account bans instead.
TakenFTW (NA)
: I don't understand why it must jump to a perma ban after a short 2 week suspension and if chat is my apparent issue why not just receive a chat ban even a permanent one. the fact that permanent suspensions come so easily it is just Riots way of abusing low elo, non-streaming and non-professional players and robbing them of time and money they've invested into the game.
Riot used to continually escalate chat bans for habitually toxic players. I believe that the result was that those players overwhelmingly turned to other, more disruptive methods of expressing their toxicity. That is why players are given only so many opportunities to reform their behavior before the account is permanently suspended.
: "Have you seen how many people post on these BOARDS about being punished by the system?"
Yes. People posting on the boards about their chat ban is concrete, easily-referenced evidence that people have been punished for chat. So when someone comes in with a generic complaint about reports being useless and no one ever being punished for bad behavior, it's easy to point to the boards for an untold number of players who did, in fact, receive punishments for bad behavior. However, it does not logically follow that no posts means no punishments for other reasons. If, say, 98% of the posts about being punished are from players punished for chat, that doesn't mean that 98% of all punishments are chat-related.
: *for chat*
Board presence is not representative. People who are banned for griefing generally know that their behavior isn't acceptable, and so don't have to come to the boards for clarification when they get banned.
TakenFTW (NA)
: Permabanned for minor toxicity
Mild toxicity only escalates to a permanent ban when you do it consistently, over many many games, and fail to improve your behavior after multiple warnings. As pointed out, if you've escalated through the punishment tiers, you've at least three warnings that your behavior is not acceptable. Additionally, with the 14 day ban comes a message that further toxicity will result in a permanent ban. In your case, it would seem that the punishment is a statement on your chat being extremely bad, but rather a consequence of your behavior consistently contributing to unpleasant experiences for other players.
UMonky (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MtjH0dX7,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-05-03T01:54:21.308+0000) > > Since he didn't explain what zero tolerance words are, they're words that include things like racial, ethnic or homophobic slurs. And my reasoning to that is, just indefinitely mute me, dont perma ban my whole fucking account if im not inting.
If I recall correctly, this option was explored at some point and it was found that it did not improve behavior. Toxic players who were unable to vent their frustrations via chat simply found other ways to express their toxicity.
: Yeah. Since that is not good in several ways, probably even legally.. the real problem is that the chat system is too harsh and strict, and bans people for slight toxicity while afks and trolls, ones who actually ruin games get 5 games low priority at most and rarily ever perms.
> [{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EfAIRpc5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-02T22:48:44.860+0000) > > Yeah. Since that is not good in several ways, probably even legally.. the real problem is that the chat system is too harsh and strict, and bans people for slight toxicity while afks and trolls, ones who actually ruin games get 5 games low priority at most and rarily ever perms. Just FYI, a ban for mild toxicity means that the player in question is being reported in a high percentage of games played. Meaning, they are consistently being jerks, consistently ruining peoples' games, and consistently being reported and having those reports confirmed. Additionally, if they've been banned, they've also received multiple warnings that their behavior is unacceptable, and they've chosen to ignore those warnings. At that point, chat restrictions aren't working, and an escalation to a ban is indeed warranted.
: Well it took half a year to get honor 3... im just pissed cuz this isnt fair, he feeds, flames, trolls... and doesnt get punished
If he was using zero-tolerance language and you reported it, then chances are he's been punished. You don't really have a way of knowing whether or not he was punished, because the instant feedback notification does not always come up when a player you've reported has been punished.
: 14 day ban, 1st offense, please read
The bottom line here is that Riot and the League community disagree with your assessment that your behavior was acceptable or excusable. It is not your job to police in-game behavior. Holding the game hostage and intentionally feeding are against the rules. You broke those rules and were punished accordingly.
5eapea (NA)
: Overall suspension / ban viability and effectiveness, and general thoughts on leaving LoL
1) "You can't hold anyone accountable." Your teammates are players, just like you. They're not required to justify bad games or bad play to you, any more than you are required to justify your mistakes to them. However, if they are breaking rules (such as griefing or flaming), you hold them accountable by reporting their bad behavior. You DO NOT hold them accountable by calling them out in chat/flaming them/breaking rules yourself; just because they broke the rules first doesn't mean it's ok for you to break the rules. 2) "You can't ask to ff." You'll never be banned for calling for a /ff. But if the team chooses not to ff, you are required to continue playing, and complaining in chat about the result of the vote can only make the situation worse. 3) "You can't ask to report." You don't need to; one report is all it takes, and multiple reports in a single game don't aggregate. Calling for reports can exacerbate an already-toxic situation. Repeatedly calling for reports is a form of harassment.
flaming (NA)
: Has anyone ever recovered from a 14 day ban?
If no one ever reformed after a 14 day ban, Riot wouldn't include it as a punishment. The system is designed to reduce toxicity and not just punish it. If you're worried that you simply won't be able to control your impulse to flame, then move the chat window offscreen and unbind the [enter] key so that you can't chat at all.
: I was laughing the whole time though. How is that negative attitude?
Just because you were enjoying your chat doesn't mean your teammates were enjoying it as well. It comes across as exceedingly negative, no matter how you were feeling when you typed it.
: Just last game I had a Lux that told me to kys all game. Reported her, and nothing at all.
You will not always be notified when a summoner you've reported has been punished.
: "The entire game". I spent less than a quarter of the match typing, actually. I can understand why it might be toxic, but these logs are incredibly tame when you compare it to the people I meet DAILY that tell me to kys and that they hope I die of cancer without even a chat restriction.
What leads you to believe that other peoples' toxicity is tolerated while yours is punished?
: I agree that you have the right to be able to learn the reason of your ban, but as you proved here on boards you are a toxic enough player to be banned.
Also, to be fair, they *did* give him the reason, and he is disputing that reason. At the end of the day, though, it's their call, and Riot seems to be quite convinced that the ban was justified. Demands, ultimatums, conspiracy theories, denials... the OP isn't going to sway them.
: How come I get banned for responding (albeit toxic) to a toxic player?
Because there are eight other people in the match, and you're contributing to a toxic and negative situation that none of them want to be a part of.
Smurff (NA)
: Is it okay to flame someone on your team who is Inting and making purposefully stupid decisions?
The important thing to remember is that there are other people in the game, and flaming someone doesn't make the experience any better for them. If you were to flame, you wouldn't get banned for being angry, you'd get banned for allowing your frustration to negatively affect the game experience of other players.
: do you think my game chat is very toxic or not even?? if this is what you called toxicity you must've a prestigious life.
Prestigious, you say? Works for me. It's not the worst chat I've seen, but that's a pretty low bar to crawl under. However you did use an Oh No No word, and besides that your chat was still bad enough to earn a justified report, which means that if it's habitual behavior, it eventually results in a permaban. Mild toxicity is still toxicity, and the issue isn't necessarily that you're outrageous, it's that you're consistently unpleasant to play with. But, to be clear, I don't think you were only mildly toxic. I think that being in that game with you was probably a very unpleasant experience, and I would absolutely have reported you if I had been in that game and witnessed that behavior. If you've lost three accounts you've been told your behavior is not acceptable at least twelve times. Even if you think what you're doing is perfectly reasonable, you should have gathered by now that your fellow players, and Riot, are not willing to tolerate it.
Vo1d1 (NA)
: Just got perma banned, here's the chat logs, judge it
If I was in a game with you and you spent the entire game doing this to your team, I would report you. Even if not one of your statements was directed towards me specifically, I'd still submit that report. Aside from just being generally unpleasant, it makes it harder for the team to work together and therefore harder for the team to win. If this got you a perma, it means you were warned before and you haven't done enough to change your behavior.
: Permanently Banned for bad game and I wasn't even the one who initiated
> [{quoted}](name=YouCanBeSaved,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dJNLm4ha,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-18T15:42:55.787+0000) > > Ive lost over 3 accounts in 1 year So despite clear and repeated evidence that this sort of behavior will result in a ban, you decided to continue with that behavior, and are now complaining about the ban?
: why isn't ARAM "all random" ?
in this case, the game mode refers to the players, not the champions. all ten players are randomly assigned champions and can only go mid. all random, all mid. they can only be assigned champions they have access to. i'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that this change would make ARAMs more balanced and healthy. it probably would! but then again it's not really a game mode that's meant to be super balanced. for example, champions with strong siege tools, sustain, and/or team fighting potential will generally perform better than those who lack those skills or have lots of power invested elsewhere because of course they will. they can make some balance changes to help smooth things out but it's never going to be as well balanced as other game modes
: > [{quoted}](name=o Maui o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yETAzw9Y,comment-id=000200000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-17T19:47:24.493+0000) > > Are they really being punished for 'just being competitive?' Or are you arguing that a competitive atmosphere makes toxic behavior acceptable? I am arguing a competitive atmosphere usually involves shit talking. It's part of the nature of the game of competition. To take away 4-5 years someone has invested into a game because they use competitive banter in a competitive game is bad to me.
Here's what's confusing to me: shit-talk and competitive banter are totally fine in LoL. No one loses their account over those things. What isn't acceptable is verbal abuse and harassment. Do you consider verbal abuse and harassment acceptable behavior if it takes the guise of 'competitive banter?' What about hate speech?
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yETAzw9Y,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T21:20:30.126+0000) > > You are agreeing with me now. You admit that the minority either has to assimilate or find a crowd that tolerates them. > > They’re either allowed to follow the rules in League, or go find another game. i agree with that. Find another game. What I do not like is the notion that League puts out about their game. The notion it is "just a game for entertainment" when you make the game revolve around what is done in ranked...a competitive environment then punish folks who are really just being competitive because that is how you portray the game to be. The game is akin to an abusive relationship. You thought you knew what you were getting into, and by time you find out the truth, you've already invested a lot into it, so you keep investing into it hoping it gets better...but it doesn't.
Are they really being punished for 'just being competitive?' Or are you arguing that a competitive atmosphere makes toxic behavior acceptable?
: boosting is rampant and destroys my free win at 80+ lp literally 4 times in a row.
Just as a heads up, calling out players by name is against the board's rules, so you should edit your post accordingly if you want this post to stay up as a discussion about boosting players/smurfs in ranked games. It won't stay up if its intent is to call out players. You can submit a support ticket to Riot if you want to give them specific information about suspected rule-breaking.
: Okay, but just think for a second. Imagine how people were before we made written laws. How did we decide what the written laws would be? This is the relationship between "culture" and "social structure". So, yes, behavior actually IS acceptable when it's common. And any rule or institution that says otherwise is, by definition, tyrannical. **EDIT** The study of political science can be disturbing. But- in a cult of cannibals for example, this cult all has a similar belief. Now the FBI arrests them. The FBI has every right based on how we construct our larger society, laws, etc. But that cult also had rights, despite whatever we think about them, our beliefs are tyrannical to their culture. But we can justify it because their culture is whack. But when you study organizations, you really have to pretend- put yourself in the perspective of the organization. Every single person is their own nation. It is how we decide to ally ourselves with other people that begins to create standards. But we are all, very much independent from the whole and have the ability to act how we want. Not to get into indoctrination, but there's a good reason this type of education isn't entirely accessible to the population.
: > [{quoted}](name=o Maui o,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GtjcBF7E,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-13T19:35:09.842+0000) > > And that is punishable. > > Don't be a jerk. If you have something negative to type, then just don't type it. No it is not. if it is truth how can tyler stream ? Not only him even faker blames teammate sometimes.
> [{quoted}](name=PowerOfMyPain,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GtjcBF7E,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-13T19:38:31.450+0000) > > No it is not. if it is truth how can tyler stream ? Not only him even faker blames teammate sometimes. You (and plenty of other people) got punished for it. Being a jerk is punishable behavior. That's why you got punished for it.
: I've been thinking a lot about "what is normal behavior?"
Maybe it would be best not to think of a behavior as acceptable simply because it is common. It's not ok to be a jerk. Sure, everyone wants to vent when they get frustrated, and toxicity is common in competitive environments, but that doesn't make it ok to be a jerk to a group of strangers who are trying to play a game.
: > [{quoted}](name=IAmTheLego,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GtjcBF7E,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-13T19:22:08.160+0000) > > You admit you were toxic...and deny that you shouldn't be punished because you weren't harassing in game? > > WHAT? > Seriously....WHAT? > > Please...read what you just said... > Let me add something here: > harassment = toxicity (translation- harassment is a form of being toxic) no once again harassmentnoun [ U ] us ​ /həˈræs·mənt, ˈhær·əs·mənt/ ​ behavior that annoys or troubles someone: toxicity noun [ U ] us ​ /tɑkˈsɪs·ɪ·t̬i/ ​ the quality of being poisonous, or the degree to which something is poisonous I just admitted that my words effect of poison.
> [{quoted}](name=PowerOfMyPain,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GtjcBF7E,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-13T19:25:47.126+0000) > > no once again > > > harassmentnoun [ U ] > us ​ /həˈræs·mənt, ˈhær·əs·mənt/ > ​ > > behavior that annoys or troubles someone: > > > toxicity noun [ U ] > us ​ /tɑkˈsɪs·ɪ·t̬i/ > ​ > > the quality of being poisonous, or the degree to which something is poisonous > > I just admitted that my words effect of poison. And that is punishable. Don't be a jerk. If you have something negative to type, then just don't type it.
: Well they obviously were provoking him lmao, they know he gets really angry, kinda asking for it tbh, everybody flames like once a month id say people just get pushed to the limit... #freet1
If he can be provoked into a toxic response then he is not really reformed.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mars Ragnarok,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LmUoMPb3,comment-id=000c0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-26T21:46:57.358+0000) > > Only the logs that got you punished are important. The rest aren't relevant to your ban. If you played a dozen or more games, and then had just one or two bad ones to earn you your final punishment, then you weren't really reformed and your behavior hadn't meaningfully changed, because when push came to shove you fell right back into those old bad habits that got you into trouble in the first place. Lol, please...spare me the self righteous, holier-than-thou bullshit that countless other people have already come in here spewing
Just trying to explain Riot's mentality. Their system was born from a metric shitload of data and knows how to sort out genuine reform from a few games of being on your best behavior.
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LmUoMPb3,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2017-07-25T04:22:33.063+0000) > > I was only post the logs from the most recent ban. If you want me to post all of your chat logs for every penalty, I will do that. Whatever you want. > > You are wrong in your assumptions, but other people here have already responded to them and you denied their input. Therefore, I didn't think me addressing it would help. Since you clearly STILL don't understand, let me try one more time. How about all of my chat logs from AFTER the 14-day ban UP TO the perm that I received?
Only the logs that got you punished are important. The rest aren't relevant to your ban. If you played a dozen or more games, and then had just one or two bad ones to earn you your final punishment, then you weren't really reformed and your behavior hadn't meaningfully changed, because when push came to shove you fell right back into those old bad habits that got you into trouble in the first place.
: My internet service went down mid-game can I get refunded lost honor?
LeaverBuster doesn't levy penalties unless you dc/afk repeatedly over the course of several games. A single dc won't have an effect on your account.
: so how do i find out if someone has been banned in error. i have a friend who got prema'd with any warning. hes only lvl 11 so not like hes had time to be toxic.
Inquire about a ban by submitting a support ticket: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
: If you don't consider letting your 2-0 laner free roam bot, while standing in lane pinging a bit of a failure on your own, youre just as much of an ass as the guy getting mad at you. Heres an example: Yelling to someone that a guy is about to come kill them from across the street, while standing there watching them get killed isn't much help at all. An attempt at counter roaming your lane should be made before any attempt at a flaccid ping.... If you aren't putting heavy damage into the tower, and your laner roamed, you failed. **Because even forcing your botlaner safely under tower with pings, into most likely missing cs, is a negative effect caused by your inability to keep your laner in check.** TLDR: Pinging mia in no way takes you off the hook for your missing laner.
I've had enemy assassin mids roam on me because they couldn't farm and I was pushing down their tower, and they were desperate for kill gold. If I can follow safely I will, but if I don't have vision (especially of the enemy jungler) then my slow squishy mage is going to stay mid and push the tower down. Some mids will roam whether you let them or not, and it's not always smart to follow.
Ulanopo (NA)
: The Verdict - Episode 1
This is fantastic. My only suggestion would be to switch blue and red so that teammates are blue and opponents are red, as it appears in the client.
: No that is wrong I am not toxic all I do is respond and tell them to stop being toxic, riot showed me why they banned me it was that one game.
That is not how the system works. Use of hate speech/death threats/encouraging suicide can get you instantly banned, but a single game of mild toxicity won't. Additionally, it only takes one report to get a game reviewed; multiple reports do not get it reviewed harder or quicker, it's all the same. This means, incidentally, that asking other people for reports is pointless, so it's best to mute people and report them yourself after the game without making a fuss about it. It's best not to engage with toxic individuals at all. Responding in kind or getting into arguments only makes the situation worse. Just mute, report, and move on, that's the best you can do.
Mannny (NA)
: I should be allowed to defend myself and not get banned
>They dissed each other back and forth This would be the problem. At this point he's not defending himself, he's contributing to the toxicity. The only thing worse than having a jerk on your team is having two jerks on your team.
elduris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mars Ragnarok,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=iWgl6LEN,comment-id=0002000600000000,timestamp=2017-05-05T00:18:44.413+0000) > > [ ] Yes. > [ ] They don't seem very big. > [ X ] WOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH Did I pass?
Not sure, kinda seems like you kept it all for yourself.
: I can't think of any quiz that actually proves someone is high/drugged.
Question 1: Have you ever noticed how big your hands are? [ ] Yes. [ ] They don't seem very big. [ ] WOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
: You're telling me it takes riot less then 5 minutes to recieve, fully review, determine, and then dish out the punishment?
Presumably yes, as the reports are gathered and analyzed by an advanced automated system. I can't imagine it takes very long for a computer to analyze chat logs. Riot also manually reviews cases that are brought to them via support ticket when a player believes their ban was issued in error, though I expect those reviews take somewhat longer than the automated ones.
: 🔒Neat how Deep Terror Nami has some ideas and gets +125 and others get -12 for the same thing
I thought you were way too hung up on votes even before you started a thread complaining that someone else got better votes than you. Just don't worry about it so much.
: chat restrict ban
Riot takes verbal abuse pretty seriously. If people are being toxic to you in chat, report their behavior so that Riot can put a stop to it. On the flip side of that coin, if you respond to toxicity by being toxic, people can report your behavior as well. It's not okay to break the rules just because someone else broke them first.
: Someone can just remove it. I give up. Obviously the system protection of summoners extends to toxic players. He'll just keep getting by with it and there's basically nothing else I can do. Reporting doesn't work. He is still doing it (checked his recent match history and he is still doing the same shit), he will continue to do it until something is done to stop it. Nothing has been done so I am left with the assumption that no one wants anything to be done.
That's not really a fair assumption. No one wants trolls to be able to troll, but calling them out on the forums isn't really helpful. The rules exist because the forums aren't the best place to take action; reports and support tickets are the way to go. Basically Riot doesn't want to start witch hunts in which groups of players try to take matters into their own hands; they want to be the ones dealing with player behavior issues, and sometimes that takes time, which I know is very frustrating to watch. Reports and support tickets can seem unsatisfying but they're really the best way to get the necessary information to Riot.
: Check these images. I'm not naming anyone, but you may draw your own conclusions and research further if you think it's any use. The last game I played with him, all his toxicity was in the champ select. The support changed roles to suit him and he still threatened to afk after laning. In the game we were doing well and he kept saying "Should I stay or afk?" No one responded and he stayed and did well and we won. I reported him for his champ select threats and for the in game afk threats. Unfortunately I cannot post dodged games. I know I was in 3 games with him where one of us dodged bc of his threats. There is also a game I found in my history 15 days ago where I was jungle and we won and I didn't even notice him. The games just outside a month are no longer accessible, but there were two (one he trolled my team and the other his team remade right before the troll game).
Just a heads up: to be certain you're staying within the forum rules, when you post images like this you should edit them to remove summoner names (leaving your own name is OK).
: could i put nipple in my sum name?
I'm not sure the font could render it properly.
: Seriously it's like you did not even TRY to hide the fact you did not read the post... He never fed. He simply would wait until 3 minute mark when no one could remake. Then he would repeatedly walk to wolves, hit them once, then go back to spawn. He did this repeatedly throughout the game like it was on autopilot. I queue sometimes during the day when I am working from home, and then mostly after work. He plays very often (history shows that). And I can't answer your question. Perhaps Riot can o_O why don't you ask them? Champion select toxicity is where he starts, failing getting a dodge he proceeds to plan B, which is make everyone pay for not catering to/dodging for him. He does this by the aforementioned afk method.
I'm not sure that players receive bans for AFKs. Those are handled by LeaverBuster, which is a system that is separate from the toxicity system. I do hope you've reported this person at every opportunity, as holding a team hostage in champ select is pretty unpleasant behavior and I would hope that something could be done about it.
: Im pretty sure riot has stated they dont support calling for everyone in game to report someone. 1 report is enough to trigger the system which is terrible anyway
1 report is enough to trigger the system, _which then reviews the chat logs from that game_. No one gets punished only because someone reported them. Those reports are verified first.
EL Drago (NA)
: I can't play league of legends
Sounds like some kind of bug. You should submit a support ticket to Riot detailing the problem. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
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