: Would you play a "hardcore mode"?
Why not hurt your own minions? Open up wave conrtol possibilities.
: People who ban a one trick pony's hover...
Choosing or banning a teammates hovered pick can be punished. We have examples of this. Any in-game choice/action can lead to punishment if its done with a bad intention. Devious intent is punished, not specific actions.
rujitra (NA)
: "Could" is a request. "any of y'all speak English" is a rude demand. Tone is important. Furthermore, if you don't speak in a polite way by default, that doesn't give you an excuse to be an ass. Most people do learn to speak politely, but if you didn't, that's on you to fix.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7pNB1nR3,comment-id=0006000000020000,timestamp=2019-05-16T15:39:05.300+0000) > > > Furthermore, if you don't speak in a polite way by default, that doesn't give you an excuse to be an ass. Here you actually insult the original poster with profanity.
rujitra (NA)
: It doesn't take time. If it takes you time to be a decent person and say the thing you mean to say, then you need to practice speaking more. "Could you speak English?" "I can't understand you." "What does that mean?" Took me 5 seconds to come up with all those. It's not "hard". You don't have to conjure anything. Simple English words.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7pNB1nR3,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-16T08:12:37.918+0000) > > It doesn't take time. If it takes you time to be a decent person and say the thing you mean to say, then you need to practice speaking more The lack of self awareness it takes to tell the original poster hes not a decent person. Specialist with a thousand downvotes in a single thread. Keep up the good work.
: Riot needs to start banning players who afk split push and show clear intention in chat
There has to be a watershed moment where in-game actions become benign again. The tendancy for communist and socialist nations to police thought-crime is seeping into this game.
zPOOPz (NA)
: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/alpha-client-discussion You can't get banned for banning someone hover even if you do see said hover. I'm not sure if this is a prevalent problem because millions of people download and installed the same client you should/did from League website and if it's a major bug with the download/released version, thousands if not million would experience it. I suggest shoot a support ticket to get help with your issue. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hkZNZy8B,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-18T23:01:35.461+0000) > > http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report > > http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/alpha-client-discussion > > You can't get banned for banning someone hover even if you do see said hover. > > I'm not sure if this is a prevalent problem because millions of people download and installed the same client you should/did from League website and if it's a major bug with the download/released version, thousands if not million would experience it. I suggest shoot a support ticket to get help with your issue. > > https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us Yes there have been cases where taking teammates hovered champ results in ban. Reviewed and verified by Keyru (NA)
Νami (EUW)
: Role Stealing Without Saying Anything is Bannable?
To answer the OPs title, yes. I have a previous example of this exact thing resulting in a ban. Keyru (NA) You went into Champ Select as Top pick and after ban phase decided to take your Jungler's hovered pick and IMMEDIATELY switch to Ghost/Cleanse. Not only this, you don't type at all during this time to your teammates and then type "dance mid"
Νami (EUW)
: Role Stealing Without Saying Anything is Bannable?
A strong strategy at MSI this year was Sona/Taric bot lane, both with support items.
Νami (EUW)
: Role Stealing Without Saying Anything is Bannable?
Anything you do in-game can contain clues about you. Summoner spell choice, item choice, champion choice, attacking minions, or positioning yourself on the map can all be interpreted as an act of toxicity. It isnt any particular in-game action that gets you in trouble, it is your intention while commiting it. Every choice that was coded in this complex game is a potential pitfall. Anything can lead or mislead someone to conclusions in regard to your thought-crime.
CLG ear (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Calamitosus Cini,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uwwPp9uv,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-13T00:56:16.375+0000) > > I personally support an antivaxxers rights to not vax. My kids are vaccinated. while there are legitimate reasons to not get vaccinated, denying facts and science and the expertise of thousands of learned doctors for no valid reason is not one of them.
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uwwPp9uv,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-13T01:06:37.622+0000) > > while there are legitimate reasons to not get vaccinated, denying facts and science and the expertise of thousands of learned doctors for no valid reason is not one of them. What is one example of a legitimate reason not to get vaxxed? It's a little creepy they're mass-produced in China on the cheap. At the same time they get to sidestep safety testing standards. The United States are absorbing percentages of the entire populations Guatemala Honduras El Salvador Etc. Hundreds of thousands of unvaccinated people. 20 years ago you might have been able to get away with no vaccines but there's just too much disease now
Pika Fox (NA)
: No reason why you couldnt with either ghost or flash.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yVRgLiPV,comment-id=00080001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-09T01:36:04.426+0000) > > No reason why you couldnt with either ghost or flash. Is this another case where you would report/ban this kid for summoner spell choice?
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kumungu Queen,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=54T4EZ9n,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-07T00:00:41.316+0000) > > *How* can I have been **very close** to being racist?! Surely I am either a racist or I am not? There *are* shades here. Asking a person of color if they have any fried chicken recipes is a little bit racist. Saying all [N-word] should go back to the jungle they came from is a lot racist.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=54T4EZ9n,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-07T00:06:48.467+0000) > Ulanopo, your post is actually racist and disgusting. There is no value or reason to say these things. As far as the OP... You cant call anyone anything. You cant describe people in chat. You cant call people toxic when theyre toxic. Identifying somones ethnicity is not something you should do in almost every context. You got lucky you didnt get a perma ban. All decisions on punishment boil down to a basic principle. You arent punished for an action, youre punished for intent. Intent is unknowable, but Riot makes a call on your intent. Even mundane, in-game actions/choices can be punished. Using any word in chat can be punished. Events that you feel are unfair can be opportunities to learn. You can look back at this thread you started a year from now and feel differently about your old self. Also, dont let the thread highjackers tilt you. They spend way too much time here and are very good at trolling.
: Well, I'd say share your chat logs, but it appears you were banned for intentionally feeding. You can, however, share a screenshot of your conversation with support. I think it's pretty obvious from the replay that you spent large amounts of the game just standing there, mostly in base. Sometimes in the jungle. Sometimes in front of the Rift Herald, where the enemy would spot you. There was an odd play where you flashed in front of the mid tower turret, although I think that was just a badly timed and badly executed play. Did you bring up your connection issue with support? What did they say?
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yVRgLiPV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-05-07T04:31:10.413+0000) > > I think it's pretty obvious from the replay that you spent large amounts of the game just standing there, mostly in base. Sometimes in the jungle. Sometimes in front of the Rift Herald, where the enemy would spot you. I know youre doing gods work and trying really hard to justify a ban, but... What youre calling large amounts of time didnt seem that large. A few more seconds in base for enough coins for an item spike. Wait in a bush for a suprise attack. Ask for/ping for help and kinda wait by an objective for teammate. Like you said, he was banned for inting, not afk.
: Hey Riot, can you maybe hire Player Support that understand even the most basic fundamentals of LoL?
Then the banned kid makes a new account and trolls new players out of frustration. Most banned people dont leave. They morph into worse versions of themselves because they dont care anymore. Imagine killing your own game like this. My favorite was the Rengar that got banned for the champion he locked in and choice of summoner spells. This ban was reviewed by player support, and then by Kenryu. It stood as valid. Whats unique is we actually got the whole teams chat. > > > **Keyru (NA) You went into Champ Select as Top pick and after ban phase decided to take your Jungler's hovered pick and IMMEDIATELY switch to Ghost/Cleanse. This wasn't in any way doing an off-meta pick or you getting trolled, but instead, you trolling and griefing your team from the start. The suspension was accurate. Pre-Game Chat: [2019-02-11 18:02:12 PST] Trolled Teammate: really [2019-02-11 18:02:45 PST] Teammate 1: ? [2019-02-11 18:02:48 PST] Teammate 2: np [2019-02-11 18:02:50 PST] Teammate 2: we report them [2019-02-11 18:02:57 PST] Teammate 1: whats the problem here [2019-02-11 18:03:02 PST] Teammate 2: idk [2019-02-11 18:03:04 PST] Teammate 2: we report, dw [2019-02-11 18:03:06 PST] Teammate 2: 2 bans [2019-02-11 18:03:07 PST] Trolled Teammate: this guy took my rengar and is inting [2019-02-11 18:03:08 PST] Teammate 1: yea [2019-02-11 18:03:10 PST] Teammate 2: ya [2019-02-11 18:03:11 PST] Teammate 1: im not dodging [2019-02-11 18:03:14 PST] Teammate 2: but u pick soraka and int too [2019-02-11 18:03:14 PST] Teammate 1: you guys can both take a fat ban [2019-02-11 18:03:15 PST] Teammate 2: so [2019-02-11 18:03:18 PST] Teammate 2: u reported as rwell [2019-02-11 18:03:27 PST] Teammate 2: all good [2019-02-11 18:03:28 PST] Teammate 2: 2 bans [2019-02-11 18:03:31 PST] Teammate 2: will be a worth loss [2019-02-11 18:03:38 PST] Ozu: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOGOO [2019-02-11 18:03:38 PST] Teammate 3: I've had 2 remakes [2019-02-11 18:03:40 PST] Teammate 3: and 4 dodges [2019-02-11 18:03:42 PST] Teammate 3: please [2019-02-11 18:03:43 PST] Teammate 3: not again [2019-02-11 18:04:00 PST] Teammate 3: someone dodge [2019-02-11 18:04:01 PST] Teammate 3: ffs [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Ozu: dance mid [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Teammate 2: nah [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Ozu: gogo**
: > [{quoted}](name=purpleKnight,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=00020003000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-05T14:08:20.450+0000) > > I can't give examples Because there are none. If you want to go through my history for a bad call, knock yourself out - you aren't finding any. The only time the boards here tends to make the wrong call on behavior issues is when the OP misleads people as to the nature of what happened, and then traditionally, a rioter would come by with full, unedited chat logs (though Tantram isn't on the PB team anymore, so that sadly isn't going to happen anymore.) > And if you look at my chat history you'll see I was advocating for a major chill out months ago. To hell with "chilling out". We need to be less tolerant of toxicity, not more.
> [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=000200030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-05T16:38:58.877+0000) > > Because there are none. If you want to go through my history for a bad call, knock yourself out - you aren't finding any. > > > To hell with "chilling out". We need to be less tolerant of toxicity, not more. Now that im home, it would be easier to put together a post with examples for you. Since most people agree Djinn had a valid point, why bother. Hard not to mention when you quote me, you only use a small part of a sentence, Thats an example of something considered pretty sleazy and lacks context. Though it sounds like most of your issue is with what Djinn had said.
: > [{quoted}](name=purpleKnight,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=000200030000,timestamp=2019-05-04T13:02:45.130+0000) > > You say 1% are legit, but the regulars and specialists flame hard every time. I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on that. The nature of the post is easy to discern by the way it's phrased and the headline. If you come here to *argue* about your ban, you deserve getting shut down. It's that simple. You're contributing nothing and just venting that you got caught being a jerk. If you came here to *ask* about your ban, that's something else entirely, though quite unlikely simply because the in-client messages do a good job of explaining why action was taken. # Show me a single thread, just one, in which a good-faith player behavior question was "shut down" and "steamrolled".
> [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=0002000300000000,timestamp=2019-05-04T15:50:35.811+0000) > > I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on that. The nature of the post is easy to discern by the way it's phrased and the headline. > > If you come here to *argue* about your ban, you deserve getting shut down. It's that simple. You're contributing nothing and just venting that you got caught being a jerk. > > If you came here to *ask* about your ban, that's something else entirely, though quite unlikely simply because the in-client messages do a good job of explaining why action was taken. > > # Show me a single thread, just one, in which a good-faith player behavior question was "shut down" and "steamrolled". I'm on vacation in Mobile but I wanted to have a chance to respond before too much time went by. When you say it's easy to classify someone's discussion as asking or arguing what you really mean to say is it convenient to do so. It allows you to flaunt your superiority over those who you see as degenerate. I can't give examples, it would be rude to do so and possibly a rules violation. But I think the clarification Djinn made was predicated on the type of behavior I described. And if you look at my chat history you'll see I was advocating for a major chill out months ago.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: the lol boards are not a dating site, dude
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GArGhJmR,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2019-03-01T07:46:48.808+0000) > > the lol boards are not a dating site, dude I was trying to set up my Clash team. Not sure why you got involved. My post was removed by moderation for months and is now mysteriously uncensored.
: > [{quoted}](name=Enjoy Losing,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-02T18:11:00.396+0000) > > that has been this forum's identifying feature. Berating those who come here for clarity or a dispute, what else will the miserable kids of the internet do? How many of those disputes are actually valid? The ratio of "I came here to cry about my entirely deserved ban" to "I literally don't know why I was banned" is about 100:1.
> [{quoted}](name=Karunamon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PlJRxn8A,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-05-03T13:30:38.660+0000) > > How many of those disputes are actually valid? > > The ratio of "I came here to cry about my entirely deserved ban" to "I literally don't know why I was banned" is about 100:1. You say 1% are legit, but the regulars and specialists flame hard every time. The deserving one percent you bring up is also steamrolled. If youre right and 1 out of 100 is something we should discuss, why are you ok with shutting down all conversation with the same rude tropes? Snarky, sarcastic, dismissive. The same bad actors reinforcing each other. Any type of independent thought is quickly ridiculed. Opposing points of views are silenced through instant harassment. I regularly see threads taken over by one to two people. One specialist/regular will respond to every comment to control what they think should be the narrative. They quickly become agitated if they feel they cant control what other people think. Happy Djinn is trying to reign in some of the condescension. The wrong kind of people have been empowered here with specialist tags (in some cases). For a long time now a bad example was put forth as the ideal. Thats how we got to this point.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Quick reminder to new (and frequent) Player Behavior users!
It was always perverse how kids, younger people or less matered people were passive aggresively trolled by the regular crew of 'good guys' Almost as if player behavior board was a clinic on how to troll. Imagine making fun of challenged person trying to do math. That level of callousness and lack of self awareness was illustrated countless times in player behavior section of boards. There have been legit issues where Riot may or may not have done right by someone. No real conversation was allowed to be had. Those times were treated with the same dissmissive distain and unironic shitposting by a handful of regulars and specialists.
Puffel (EUW)
: So I got a 14 Day Ban for this...
hmm what summoner spells did you have selected, this may have been justified
: I need clarification on what is allowed in posting by several mods.
y0r1ck (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=purpleKnight,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qoB7gPrN,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-02-25T22:10:49.822+0000) > > Would you have used one of your replies just to shit all over my idea if you actually had to ration them out? > But that's exactly why there shouldn't be a post limit. So people can freely call out bad ideas.
> [{quoted}](name=y0r1ck,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qoB7gPrN,comment-id=0007000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-26T06:25:31.429+0000) > > But that's exactly why there shouldn't be a post limit. So people can freely call out bad ideas. A useless, negative one liner that shits on champions, moderators, Rioters, balance concepts, or other players ideas adds nothing to Boards. If a Rioter puts time into something, if a player logs into the forums to express a thought, if a game concept is coded, then it deserves more than to be pounced on by the reliable lurkers here. Easy to hit me with the negative one liner. You lose nothing. freely hit me with the "you bad idea" **You want to be free to create many useless posts. I think fewer, higher quality posts would be better. It would also be easier to moderate.**
: That's a terrible suggestion if I may say so. You can't just tell someone they may post 17 replies and open 3 threads a day. That doesn't work out for forums like these that want people to discuss over stuff. As for people that open salty threads or try to troll on the boards, that's why there are mods here and a report button at the bottom of each comment.
> [{quoted}](name=Who is Taliyah,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qoB7gPrN,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-02-25T22:04:26.154+0000) > > That's a terrible suggestion if I may say so. > > You can't just tell someone they may post 17 replies and open 3 threads a day. That doesn't work out for forums like these that want people to discuss over stuff. > > As for people that open salty threads or try to troll on the boards, that's why there are mods here and a report button at the bottom of each comment. Negative shitposting would be cut down drastically. Would you have used one of your replies just to shit all over my idea if you actually had to ration them out? At the same time, it would not limit good, productive discussion. People would happily use a reply to express an original thought.
: Unfortunately I don't think that's something we have the current tech for *possibly*, but I'll poke and see what we can do internally with the feedback. Personally I'd love graphical improvements to the profile page.
> [{quoted}](name=Attysu The Poro,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=qoB7gPrN,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-25T21:53:36.449+0000) > > Unfortunately I don't think that's something we have the current tech for *possibly*, but I'll poke and see what we can do internally with the feedback. Personally I'd love graphical improvements to the profile page. Even if you dont currently have that, this Riot posts shows they're willing to put in a little effort to change things right now. I think they owe u guys some love.
Keyru (NA)
: [UPDATE 2/26] Boards Testing and Thoughts
Id suggest a limit on posts per day. Some people take over any thread and it becomes all about them rather than an actual discussion. Not a fan of one person commenting to everything, because other people end up just sitting it out. Also thread limits per day. Annoying when one salty person posts 10 threads. Annoying for mods to have to sift through them.
y0r1ck (NA)
: Improving Boards: A Few Drastic Ideas and One I Think We Need
Id like to see a limit on replies, unless its your thread. Its sad when someone takes over someone elses discussion.
rujitra (NA)
: Useless, no. Close to it? Yes. Riot employees do not have time to sit around all day and sift through hundreds of bullshit threads to find the one or two that may be half decent discussion. Moderators have refused to maintain the gameplay and other boards (such as behavior, help/support when it existed, etc) to the standards that would encourage Riot contribution. The moderators complain that they’re “overworked” or “don’t have enough moderators to make things feasible”, but they refuse to simply up their staffing to allow them to cover everything. The moderators say they “don’t want to silence valid opinions” but they refuse to make boards that are moderated more heavily on which valid discussion can be had (and in fact their one past try at this [gameplay plus] was removed because they were too lazy to approve posts, they got backlogged, and thus the board died off shortly after it was made). Honestly, most of the problems could be solved by the moderators - but Riot has seen the boards be shit for so long that even if the moderators solved the problems now, I doubt many Rioters would come back.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=KVjjRNB7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T21:16:30.346+0000) > > Useless, no. Close to it? Yes. > > Riot employees do not have time to sit around all day and sift through hundreds of bullshit threads to find the one or two that may be half decent discussion. Moderators have refused to maintain the gameplay and other boards (such as behavior, help/support when it existed, etc) to the standards that would encourage Riot contribution. The moderators complain that they’re “overworked” or “don’t have enough moderators to make things feasible”, but they refuse to simply up their staffing to allow them to cover everything. The moderators say they “don’t want to silence valid opinions” but they refuse to make boards that are moderated more heavily on which valid discussion can be had (and in fact their one past try at this [gameplay plus] was removed because they were too lazy to approve posts, they got backlogged, and thus the board died off shortly after it was made). > > Honestly, most of the problems could be solved by the moderators - but Riot has seen the boards be shit for so long that even if the moderators solved the problems now, I doubt many Rioters would come back. not wanting to silence a valid opinion is a noble ideal. too easy for some people to dismiss. it has to be hard not to shut down dissenting opinion. i imagine you are in favor of heavy censorship? if the executives are in China, i imagine they operate under a different paradigm. the Boards probably is useless and annoying to them.
rujitra (NA)
: Imo it's a moderation problem. The moderators leave too many off topic or spam posts up in the guise of "not silencing difference of opinion". Hijacking riot threads or hijacking replies to threads is super common and makes it hard for Rioters to sift through notifications.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=KVjjRNB7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-24T16:11:43.751+0000) > > Imo it's a moderation problem. The moderators leave too many off topic or spam posts up in the guise of "not silencing difference of opinion". Hijacking riot threads or hijacking replies to threads is super common and makes it hard for Rioters to sift through notifications. So you agree with RiotAugust that the Boards, the volunteer moderation, and the people who use boards are useless/bad?
: > [{quoted}](name=KittyKàtKàtàrinà,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=qdv3oye5,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-22T13:08:34.489+0000) > > [https://imgur.com/a/3tHT9FJ](https://imgur.com/a/3tHT9FJ) > > Literally 10 supports how dare they. even though enemies didn't have girls in it they still banned 10 supports. rito please ban. or is it okey cause both teams were male? ima lick them clits like chyocolate ships
> [{quoted}](name=Negro Knight,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=qdv3oye5,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-02-23T00:30:01.148+0000) upvoted and reported lul
: So... let me get this straight.
Worldwide there are huge differences with how women or what Riot calls 'non-binary' people are treated. On an NA board there are a lot of EU contributions which muddies the waters. Near the EU women are prohibited from driving (among other things) and non-binaries are executed. That doesn't happen on NA's side of the planet. Why do female characters look 'sexy'? Im assuming they work out, and that's the body type you get when you work out. Either that or they're taking in an unnatural amount of protein to bulk up, and then you end up looking like illaoi. you aren't summoned to the rift if you look like a couch potatoe
: Riot excuse me but these guys banned 10 supports in one game? when is the ban
: How to make Udyr's W, Turtle stance shield bigger?
yeah its ap bro. rageblade is good for ap, or watch trick2g youtubes to me turtle feels good early, and can even start doran ring, its almost like a one point wonder type of ability (put one point in and that's it) because even if you build some ap, you still just want to max tiger and phoenix stance and bear last for better/more shield tho, cooldown reduction does more for you than ap, so you can cycle through turtle more often. you'll run up, hit them with the stun, then be cycling through tiger and phoenix until you can stun again.... you really only shield when youre trying to run away taking a turret shot or absorbing an ignite so something like frozen heart gives you cooldown and armour and debuffs their attack speed. so you get to shield more often and the shield has the resistances to make it in effect bigger
Jo0o (NA)
: Dude, I called him ridiculous. A lot worse is said on these boards all the time. Why do you care?
> [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T16:20:15.212+0000) > > Dude, I called him ridiculous. A lot worse is said on these boards all the time. Why do you care? You disregard the rules and lack the self awareness to realize how hypocritical it is for you in particular to do it.
PH45 (EUNE)
: > No, basically if the rules are absolute garbage there should be no obligation for anyone to be mandated to follow them. You don't get to make that choice. > To make a high charged environment and expect people to have no negative reaction to others playing badly, trolling, feeding, etc is an unreasonable request. And what does the negative reaction to that do huh? Does it magically make them play better? Turn them into Faker or some other godlike player? No it doesn't. Worst case scenario, it makes them play worse, and so will you since you are distracting yourself from playing the game when you are rage-typing in the chat.
> [{quoted}](name=PH45,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T18:10:06.925+0000) > > You don't get to make that choice. > > And what does the negative reaction to that do huh? Does it magically make them play better? Turn them into Faker or some other godlike player? No it doesn't. Worst case scenario, it makes them play worse, and so will you since you are distracting yourself from playing the game when you are rage-typing in the chat. Im not endorsing this shitposter, but what i think he means is: If someone is driving around with one headlight, you flash them with your brights. You flashing them once (flaming them in one game) does nothing, but it's the cumulative effect of many people flashing their lights that lets the person know they need to fix their light (play differently).
: Pretty sure Riot's whiteknighting literally just made things worse for female gamers
If a team is 5 supports, obviously their best player is going to play support... so target banning their best player is a strat. Maybe they admitted intent in a meeting or something. Intent is punishable irregardless of what the action was.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Spicy Crit,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EWagf6e3,comment-id=000f00000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T12:36:30.102+0000) > > I am transracial too ! When i wake up i'm white, when i have breakfast im yellow and when it's night time i'm usually black or brown. Depends on how i feel. > > *end of /s* > > Wait, being transracial is a thing? Holy shit are we doomed. Search Rachel Dolezal. This woman genuinely believes she's black even though she has no black ancestry in her.
> [{quoted}](name=Infernape,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EWagf6e3,comment-id=000f000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T13:16:59.476+0000) > > Search Rachel Dolezal. This woman genuinely believes she's black even though she has no black ancestry in her. also Elizabeth Warren our next US president, is transracial.
: Remember last weeks when people were considering new PBE conqueror as a "nerf" and a needed change?
To me this post has value. Do some people see this as useless bitching?
: > [{quoted}](name=Ale non è male,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZgXwhmaP,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-02-24T13:30:22.861+0000) > > Boards are cluttered with a ton of very similar threads in 2-3 flavor of the week argument that get all the spotlight and this basically make super hard to highlight current issues of the game. > > And the current Boards moderation team is the major responsable for the Gameplay+ boards project failure, which could/would have fixed a large part of the problem, and would have not make current Boards look like being largely useless at best/ a "cesspool" at worst > > RiotAugust words are disrespectful for the boards users that do not have/do not want to use different channels than official ones to comunicate with the Devs, but Boards moderation team deserve no sympathy at all So let's take your idea and run with it. Moderators start becoming harsher on restrictions to posts. Gameplay would take the absolute brunt of this. Low effort (1-2 sentence "hahah fuck meme posts about balance) and low discussion posts are removed. We've now lost a sizeable chunk of gameplay because often the discussion is less discussion and more confirmation bias. We could also start implementing megathreads about events and cut down boards spam to a single post, such as the PAX situation. Do you know what one of the most prevailing arguments I see swung around boards is? That it's the "last bastion of true fans and truthtellers" in the league community. People think Boards is the only place that has free speech anymore (it's not) and that Reddit only loves on Riot (it's not). As an example: The most upvoted post is criticizing Riot for their change to VGU updated particles. Yeah, nothing but love and bootlicking there. So now we're gonna start cutting down threads, removing bad memes about stuff and just take an iron-fist approach to clean up the boards. People will _hate_ that. And I don't mind dislike the change. They're gonna revile these changes. While we did cut G+, one of our plans was to remove Gameplay and make it "Rants". However, rants couldn't show upon the front page but G+ could. Suddenly we're getting cries that we're stifling free speech, we're hiding the truth and (probably the most fun) that we're just protecting Riot by condensing posts to a mega thread or something inane like that. Part of why we can't act is community perception. If you want us to start changing things, players need to stop adding to the pile or defending these threads.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZgXwhmaP,comment-id=00120001,timestamp=2019-02-24T16:50:57.016+0000) > > So let's take your idea and run with it. > > Moderators start becoming harsher on restrictions to posts. Gameplay would take the absolute brunt of this. Low effort (1-2 sentence "hahah fuck meme posts about balance) and low discussion posts are removed. We've now lost a sizeable chunk of gameplay because often the discussion is less discussion and more confirmation bias. We could also start implementing megathreads about events and cut down boards spam to a single post, such as the PAX situation. > > Do you know what one of the most prevailing arguments I see swung around boards is? That it's the "last bastion of true fans and truthtellers" in the league community. People think Boards is the only place that has free speech anymore (it's not) and that Reddit only loves on Riot (it's not). As an example: The most upvoted post is criticizing Riot for their change to VGU updated particles. Yeah, nothing but love and bootlicking there. > > So now we're gonna start cutting down threads, removing bad memes about stuff and just take an iron-fist approach to clean up the boards. People will _hate_ that. And I don't mind dislike the change. They're gonna revile these changes. While we did cut G+, one of our plans was to remove Gameplay and make it "Rants". However, rants couldn't show upon the front page but G+ could. Suddenly we're getting cries that we're stifling free speech, we're hiding the truth and (probably the most fun) that we're just protecting Riot by condensing posts to a mega thread or something inane like that. > > Part of why we can't act is community perception. If you want us to start changing things, players need to stop adding to the pile or defending these threads. Possibly limit how many threads someone can create per day, maybe two or three as a limit. Also perhaps limit Replies to maybe ten or fifteen per day, with no limit in threads you create. It feels like the same 6 people respond to everything and the Boards have become ALL about them. If you limit the threads and replies, then the contributions would tend to be more meaningful.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZgXwhmaP,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-24T05:36:20.491+0000) > > https://i.imgur.com/WPwbLsd.png[/img] > > _**I CANNOT AND WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS APOLOGY**_ > If the reaction to RiotAugust words means thar the current bunch of Volunteers resign and get replaced by new moderators...that's only for the better!!! Boards are cluttered with a ton of very similar threads in 2-3 flavor of the week argument that get all the spotlight and this basically make super hard to highlight current issues of the game. And the current Boards moderation team is the major responsable for the Gameplay+ boards project failure, which could/would have fixed a large part of the problem, and would have not make current Boards look like being largely useless at best/ a "cesspool" at worst RiotAugust words are disrespectful for the boards users that do not have/do not want to use different channels than official ones to comunicate with the Devs, but Boards moderation team deserve no sympathy at all
> [{quoted}](name=Ale non è male,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZgXwhmaP,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-02-24T13:30:22.861+0000) > > If the reaction to RiotAugust words means thar the current bunch of Volunteers resign and get replaced by new moderators...that's only for the better!!! > > Boards are cluttered with a ton of very similar threads in 2-3 flavor of the week argument that get all the spotlight and this basically make super hard to highlight current issues of the game. > > And the current Boards moderation team is the major responsable for the Gameplay+ boards project failure, which could/would have fixed a large part of the problem, and would have not make current Boards look like being largely useless at best/ a "cesspool" at worst > > RiotAugust words are disrespectful for the boards users that do not have/do not want to use different channels than official ones to comunicate with the Devs, but Boards moderation team deserve no sympathy at all ...i mean the volunteers do have familys
MirrorU (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T15:50:29.479+0000) > > I beg to differ. From [Ulanopo's Knowledge Base](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4086541&page=5#post43595629): > (My personal favorite on that site is this indefinite suspension (http://nbafines.tumblr.com/post/1010368028/3-12-96-the-nba-suspended-mahmoud-abdul-rauf-den), simply for refusing to stand during the National Anthem.) > "Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500." > Brendan Shanahan is the ****ing Bad Santa of the NHL. Did you know that his Office of Player Safety watches every minute of every game, from multiple angles? He sees and hears EVERYTHING, including swearing. > Marge Schott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Schott), who was forced out of ownership of the Cincinnati Reds for racist comments and pro-Nazi sentiments. > > https://lol.gamepedia.com/List_of_Competitive_Rulings > > Also, Riot doesn't ban people left and right. In fact outside of things such as account sharing/buying/selling or ID bans to even get permabanned a player would have had to receive at least 35-games worth of chat restrictions and a 2-week ban first, and then continue to misbehave despite those warnings. Even in the cases where players skip the chat restrictions and go straight to a 2-week ban, that still gives them another chance to clean up their acts before getting permabanned. If despite all of that they still end up getting permabanned then quite frankly that's their fault not Riot's. > > P.S. I don't work for Riot, I'm just a volunteer forum moderator and a fellow player, that's all. You have to admit after seeing this forum every single day that punishing and banning people for "toxicity" doesn't work. It just doesn't. I mean really a prime example is tyler1 they banned his account and he just made a dozen more. Would you say he's "reformed"? Fuck no, that guy is still a steroid raging lunatic!
> [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-24T16:19:00.425+0000) > > The forums are a small subset of the LoL community as a whole, and while most posts in PB are from people who disagree with being punished for poor behavior there are also some posts of people accepting the fact that what they did that caused their accounts (current or old depending on the poster) was wrong and have changed their behavior for the better. Because of that while the IFS isn't perfect and needs improvements (especially in the catching gameplay offenders reliably dept) it still does work. > > As for T1 yes he made alt accts during his ID ban (which were also banned) but I personally don't follow him (never even heard of him before the announcement that he was indefinitely banned was made) and even disagree with Riot giving him as much attention as they have. If he's reformed then great, but if he's still acting up then I can only hope he reaps what he sows in due time. yes, he's still toxic, and types toxic things in chat almost every game i see him play. he did pull like 200k viewers on twitch when they unbanned him, and consistantly gets 15k-20k viewers. its a hella lot free advertising to just let him play
Jo0o (NA)
: OP is suggesting to Vaelkyrie's point that danger to your champ in a game of League is comparable to real-life danger. I'm simply stunned by the logical jump. If you're able to process that and provide a better reaction than me, by all means.
> [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=000400000001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-24T16:09:09.053+0000) > > OP is suggesting to Vaelkyrie's point that danger to your champ in a game of League is comparable to real-life danger. I'm simply stunned by the logical jump. If you're able to process that and provide a better reaction than me, by all means. You just admitted you popped in to call names. That was your intent you admitted. The post, im sure, will be removed.
MirrorU (NA)
: Context
_MirrorU: plz report darius inting, refusing to play with team, trolling_ _MirrorU: not toxic at all, u fed and trolled ur getting reported for feeding and trolling_ _MirrorU: accept ur ban bb_ If you're going to report someone, just do it. It feels really akward you're here complaining about this system, but you're also trying to bash people over the head with it in-game.
: If this truly is your first punishment on this account with no outstanding history of punishments prior, and if these are the full, unedited chat logs, then I'd suggest to file a [Support Ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) asking for a manual review of the case, and whether or not the IFS accidentally overpunished.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pVh8gTX4,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-24T12:27:17.305+0000) > > If this truly is your first punishment on this account with no outstanding history of punishments prior, and if these are the full, unedited chat logs, then I'd suggest to file a [Support Ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) asking for a manual review of the case, and whether or not the IFS accidentally overpunished. wPhZachary: ur delusional kid wPhZachary: or girl prob it was probably because of racism/sexism it was escalated. just a guess. but yeah, if you want to keep your account unbind your enter key so you can never chat again.
Jo0o (NA)
: First off, no, that's not me above. I just popped in to say that you're ridiculous, and words fail me in describing how ridiculous you're being because you already know damn well.
> [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UfExBPwf,comment-id=0004000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T15:41:36.276+0000) > > First off, no, that's not me above. I just popped in to say that you're ridiculous, and words fail me in describing how ridiculous you're being because you already know damn well. just popping in to insult someone? the OP might be a young person, might be better to show him the way to interact, kinda like lead by example. logging on to call names, and literally that's all is a bit shameful
Dexler (NA)
: So Trading Lanes Is Bad?
That's brutal. I feel like we should swap positions like we swap characters. Then smite can be locked to the jungle position, and if you swap for jungle you also get smite. This way there's always a smite on your team.
MirrorU (NA)
: Context
Pre-Game Chat: [2019-02-11 18:02:12 PST] Trolled Teammate: really [2019-02-11 18:02:45 PST] Teammate 1: ? [2019-02-11 18:02:48 PST] Teammate 2: np [2019-02-11 18:02:50 PST] Teammate 2: we report them [2019-02-11 18:02:57 PST] Teammate 1: whats the problem here [2019-02-11 18:03:02 PST] Teammate 2: idk [2019-02-11 18:03:04 PST] Teammate 2: we report, dw [2019-02-11 18:03:06 PST] Teammate 2: 2 bans [2019-02-11 18:03:07 PST] Trolled Teammate: this guy took my rengar and is inting [2019-02-11 18:03:08 PST] Teammate 1: yea [2019-02-11 18:03:10 PST] Teammate 2: ya [2019-02-11 18:03:11 PST] Teammate 1: im not dodging [2019-02-11 18:03:14 PST] Teammate 2: but u pick soraka and int too [2019-02-11 18:03:14 PST] Teammate 1: you guys can both take a fat ban [2019-02-11 18:03:15 PST] Teammate 2: so [2019-02-11 18:03:18 PST] Teammate 2: u reported as rwell [2019-02-11 18:03:27 PST] Teammate 2: all good [2019-02-11 18:03:28 PST] Teammate 2: 2 bans [2019-02-11 18:03:31 PST] Teammate 2: will be a worth loss [2019-02-11 18:03:38 PST] Ozu: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGOOOOGOO [2019-02-11 18:03:38 PST] Teammate 3: I've had 2 remakes [2019-02-11 18:03:40 PST] Teammate 3: and 4 dodges [2019-02-11 18:03:42 PST] Teammate 3: please [2019-02-11 18:03:43 PST] Teammate 3: not again [2019-02-11 18:04:00 PST] Teammate 3: someone dodge [2019-02-11 18:04:01 PST] Teammate 3: ffs [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Ozu: dance mid [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Teammate 2: nah [2019-02-11 18:04:14 PST] Ozu: gogo -- full chat log teammate chat is only used for context to bone you
Ulanopo (NA)
: Personal Thoughts on RiotAugust
inb4 the fan boys make it all about the users of the board and not the volunteer moderators he insulted Boards and everyone involved in them
: @RiotAugust Those "useless" Boards are a part of the community that puts bread on your table.
I think a lot of the outrage is from people who forget that children play this game. If you're over the age of 30 you might want to just take a deep breath before you're hyper-critical of people here or in-game.
: > [{quoted}](name=purpleKnight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XtuMf3Ip,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:31:04.826+0000) > > _Board's Riot fan-boys intensifies_ > > > Seriously you wonder what ruins Boards? > > On Reddit we can form a new opinion, be sarcastic, ironic, make critical observations succinctly and there's no NPCs ready to bash you ... > > for every one real person on Boards theres 10 NPCs here imagine calling other people npcs unironically
> [{quoted}](name=UnboundHades,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XtuMf3Ip,comment-id=001e0000,timestamp=2019-02-23T21:04:49.018+0000) > > imagine calling other people npcs unironically i didn't call anyone that, tho you are free to self identify as such
: > [{quoted}](name=purpleKnight,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XtuMf3Ip,comment-id=00110001,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:25:46.764+0000) > > you're blaming the victim for the abuse > > Boards it's your fault you made me hit you. This analogy is better suited with a common trope on PB boards. "Look at this post. I did nothing wrong here. See how corrupt the system is." "You're actually not posting the whole story. Your other games had you shouting out racial slurs like a racist dictionary." "WELL YEAH BUT HE DID IT FIRST." Someone else doing it first and/or doing it =/= "I should do this too".
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XtuMf3Ip,comment-id=001100010000,timestamp=2019-02-23T20:38:40.611+0000) > > This analogy is better suited with a common trope on PB boards. > > "Look at this post. I did nothing wrong here. See how corrupt the system is." > "You're actually not posting the whole story. Your other games had you shouting out racial slurs like a racist dictionary." > "WELL YEAH BUT HE DID IT FIRST." > > Someone else doing it first and/or doing it =/= "I should do this too". I imagine when they actually do read creative, fresh ideas on the various Boards all they see is the work involved. Then they focus on the 12/13 year olds posting their chat logs and the same 6 adults passive-aggressively flaming them for it... (literally teaching them to be better trolls) Probably should just delete the tweet and make a commitment to devote more time to finding value in this part of the company. The disconnect could be there's some subliminal expectation that Boards is only here to blindly pour devotion and praise on Riot Games. There are a lot of kids here willing to do that, but sometimes a real person stumbles along and just has a subjective opinion. Imagine actually being a small indie company and making that tweet.
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