Meddler (NA)
: Doesn't seem to have had too much of an impact yet overall. Three possibilities there that come to mind: 1. It's too expensive, so isn't worth them picking it up over other items. 2. It is a good choice sometimes, but most players have yet to adapt to pick it up when appropriate. 3. It is having meaningful impact and I'm just missing it given all the other discussion going on. I incline towards some mixture of 1 or 2, looking at how performance on AD assassins hasn't changed very meaningfully and at least some players are normally very quick to jump on more optimal items. Could be misinterpreting things though.
what are your thoughts on ad assassins at the moment?
Rioter Comments
: Has anyone ever looked at any of the male champions? HELL FUCKING LO? TRYDANMERE IS SEXUAL AS FUCK, LEE SIN?! UDYR??? AND FUCKING TARIC.... Everyone needs to remeber that everyone is oversexualised. I want to prok both nami and cassiopiea. And they arent very sexual at all.
> [{quoted}](name=CrispyCake2330,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E3yLIk4T,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-04-07T17:53:00.827+0000) > > Has anyone ever looked at any of the male champions? > > HELL FUCKING LO? TRYDANMERE IS SEXUAL AS FUCK, LEE SIN?! UDYR??? > > > AND FUCKING TARIC.... > > Everyone needs to remeber that everyone is oversexualised. I want to prok both nami and cassiopiea. And they arent very sexual at all. they fulfill the male fantasy, in study's and stuff women preferred Hugh jackman in a sweater smiling than him ripped and showing off, but ripped jackman still sells due to men wanting the escapism of being jacked.
KazKaz (OCE)
: Meddler does, and he just abuses whichever ADC is the strongest at the time. The moment people called out Varus for being too strong he just spammed 40+ Varus games lmao. Oh, he's Gold V btw.
what do you want him to play, he plays adc so he probably cant play most other types of champs like fighters and mages to a good degree and would just have bad data to go from and do you want him to play weak champs while its the stuff thats too strong that he needs info on how to balance. also **he can have fun and climb on his personal account, there are probably hundreds of games behind the scenes with the playtest team every patch for the data they need.**
GigglesO (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VPJupcy1,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-03-17T06:11:36.869+0000) > >Part of it is we don't yet have the system to the point where you have to think hard about what's optimal I think you guys have been removing decision making since season 1. Not all of it has been bad, but just a few examples. Dodge/Sword of the Divine Warmogs giving 1800 hp + FoN Gold gen for all roles. Tank items that were independantly strong enough adc's would sometimes pick them up. Tiamat on ranged champions (hurricane just isn't quite the same) Mana Management (Do I get mana or damage?) Now you just pick up manaflowband. Still not sure why Zephyr was removed. Sunfire cape stacking. Deathfire grasp. You removed 10% cdr on spirit visage to stop adc's and mages from picking it up. Tmail returning %damage which is what IMO made it really good. Rune customization with %crit damage bonus %crit chance mana regen and the works. Spellvamp (which you returned in rune form anyways) Aura items. (Soul Shroud giving aoe cdr, ageis of the legion, starks ferver) Jungle camps that fuck you up if you don't take it in the proper order. Fortify. (May our towers forever not be denied) S1 Mastery tree where you had to decide if you wanted to dump 30 points into a tree, or split them, or even just 21/9 it. Having to stack a blood thirster to get more damage. Flat pen or %pen (because flat pen used to apply first reducing %pen efficiency if both were stacked) You keep removing choices (almost) every season. Edit: added a few removed things, I'm sure I missed more. Edit 2: Also not sure how to add this, but you removed the choice between damage/cdr by adding items that gave both. So you don't really even have to choose which you want anymore.
i wasn't around for dodge but it just seems like an anti fun mechanic.
Rodnii (NA)
: Irelia Login Music & Splash
she looks both unique and pretty.
: Those Ramen noodles are getting to your head.
baka gajin, nerf wolfman and buff anime tiddys.
: ***
one of his problems is that his kit gives everything you could want except innate tankyness (since you level e last and it has a long cd), he has sustain to win fights if he doesn't get bursted, has percent damage that will always be relevant enough to kill squishy's, and cc fro even when he falls off. his greatest weakness is that he has to build health since his entire kit screams "hey im just gonna take every hit you can throw since my entire game-plan is to run at you". his kit has outplay potential but not the ability to outplay any sustained damage if its even a little more than his passive and q spam.
: I mean in a lot of ways ww is just draintank Jax. Personally, I think his E is overtuned, and I think his passive should scale more linearly with %hp instead of the massive burst of power it gives at very low hp.
yeah, if it scaled with his percent hp it could be considered a buff, but it would be nicer to play against due to seeing the ramp up much smoother.
Raije (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Juice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RQ5nBHwb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-12T17:11:44.325+0000) > > A 54% win rate most picked jungler is fair. > > Having dragon as a part of your jungle clear at lvl3 is fair. > > Not being able to die is fair. > > What's unfair then? If dragon is being taken by ww at lvl 3 he's gonna be super low health, so just kill him and steal it. Not that hard.
yeah, if you aren't warding drag against warwick your doing it wrong.
: he's right lcs players teach you the game if they don't play warwick it should mean you should learn something from them and then you will be able to deal with warwick skarner is way more broken than warwick
lots of people dont seem to get that lcs is the closest you can get to perfect play and hence the proper place to balance around.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ixoziel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RQ5nBHwb,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-03-12T17:32:34.513+0000) > > Warwick has 54% but isn't picked in the LCS. Ryze has 44% but is. I'll let you figure out why. > > Hint: pub winrates matter very little in the grand scheme of objective balancing. > > He's a drastically inferior version of Skarner. Skarner has a point-and-click disable that allows him to drag you back into his team. Warwick has a skillshot disable that hurls him forward. Guess which one of those is far better? Ryze is currently sitting 49.3% win rate in Plat plus elo with a 10% play rate. A lot of Ryze power comes from his teamplay which requires voice com and practice with each other. In pro play point and click CC is a much bigger deal because players are more adapt and dodging and layering CC. Pro play also is more about team comp then solo. Pro play and solo que are very different things. To say that because something is good in solo que and bad in pro play means that that something is actually just bad is very suspect when you consider many of the highest ELO solo que player are also the pro players.
ryze might have a high winrate due to the archangel changes being huge buffs to him.
: Warwick is actually fair
i think he's balanced or at least close to it, but most people aren't frustrated that you cant counter him, their angry that you cant counter him fast enough to not get fucked by his insane early-game.
: Even every streamer I watch is hating on league really bad.
to be fair if anyone plays a game for a living everyday then they will probably get tired of it.
: I think there are good levers personally -- Q CD, health regen & mana regen all affect the way she interacts with minion waves pretty substantially.
i know you probably dont care but why not make her q prioritize marked champs so then it can be okay when trying to all in with minions near by.
: She needs a slight auto attack range increase imo. Because she doesn't have reliable poke she has to rely on autos, but you can't really get close pre 6. I personally don't even think Riot knows how to play as her. They say she's auto attack focused but two of her abilities scale really well, and make her feel like a burst champ but, her abilities (outside R and the passive) are total trash. Q never hits the target you think it will and you have to be within your short ass auto range to even use it. W is really only useful if the monkeys on the enemy team afk so the incredibly slow speed of the projectile can possibly reach them before they return from their afk quest. E takes so long to "charge" that it doesn't feel that strong during fights that aren't premeditated. I don't feel she's weak or strong, just meh in lane, and if you're just meh in lane, you've already lost.
personally i think that if they made her q prioritize marked targets then she could be good. as it stand her q is almost useless in skirmishes in minion wave, and down bot almost every fight is in a minion wave, at least if they do this they could make her keep a kind of all in assassin playstyle without giving more range and changing her identity.
: I see a lot of feedback that her laning might be too weak, and I wouldn't be surprised if we needed to buff that in some capacity as there's been other systemic changes that have hurt soft laning bot laners (Mainly the Fleet Footwork nerfs). That said, it's far too early to tell as it's the first day of the patch. I also get a bit salty as I believe that streamers/pros take their opinions of champions after far too few games.
i feel like if her laning is weak it might be hard to fix due to her kit just seeming bad in lane in general.
xScarfy (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=r4ndomkill,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXUEN2j7,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-03-07T22:26:31.156+0000) > > its probably because it uses the average players scores for champ mastery so you will always be competing against the scores of people who got insane amounts of kills from fighting bots. I'm not talking about being able to score a S, I mean that if you get a S you don't get a chest for it.
> [{quoted}](name=xScarfy,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXUEN2j7,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2018-03-07T22:31:01.144+0000) > > I'm not talking about being able to score a S, I mean that if you get a S you don't get a chest for it. oh, thats just a bug then.
: +1 to this
i feel like fiddle really suffers because his whole kit was made with a specific jungle in mind but the jungle has evolved from that point.
: Patch Chat with the Playtest Team - 8.5
whats your thoughts on kai'sa. i think her kits inability to lane might make her have a high mastery curve but she might just be weak right now too.
Aru Daye (NA)
: Nice bonus XP with missions. More blue essence which we can only spend on champions. Not like we will not have earned 7800 essence by the time the next champ is released without the 300 from the quest.
its more for the new players.
: Nah,I love Rakan but both his skins suck
i want an edgy skin that i can play and feel cool when i make plays with him.
xScarfy (EUW)
: Yea I'm glad Riot listened! On a sidenote: Has anyone else noticed how you can't get hextech chests on 3v3 now or is it just me?
> [{quoted}](name=xScarfy,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXUEN2j7,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-03-07T22:23:24.329+0000) > > Yea I'm glad Riot listened! > On a sidenote: Has anyone else noticed how you can't get hextech chests on 3v3 now or is it just me? its probably because it uses the average players scores for champ mastery so you will always be competing against the scores of people who got insane amounts of kills from fighting bots.
: Wait. So those two ultimate shards I have are worthless now? Real talk, I was never going to get enough OE to unlock them, but now they’re worthless aside from their pitiful disenchant rate?
> [{quoted}](name=Lucky Moniker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TXUEN2j7,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-03-07T21:39:21.807+0000) > > Wait. So those two ultimate shards I have are worthless now? > Real talk, I was never going to get enough OE to unlock them, but now they’re worthless aside from their pitiful disenchant rate? sadly yes, but if you get more later then you get them for free.
: Honestly, I miss them too because I feel like it opened up some kind of interesting/fun jungle possibilities like taking Krugs as jungle Vayne to help you kite around other mobs thanks to the stun. That being said, I do think that the decision to remove them was correct. It was a pretty opaque system that was hard to understand/appreciate for the majority of players (primarily lower level). Making smiting the correct camp to aid your clear a skill test in my opinion. If I'm learning the jungle and read that I have this high cd ability that let's me nuke camps I really just want to be hitting the monster that hits back the hardest, not thinking about what micro optimizations I have to be making to be successful. If we could bring them back in a more understandable way I'd be all for it, because again, while I personally miss them, I don't think the previous execution ended up being all that great.
make it jungle item enchant and boost the power of the smite buffs, it sounds like a fun idea.
: Zed is in an OK spot right now. ~50% WR, 7% PR, (28% BR!) all regions, plat+ according to leagueofgraphs. He's losing damage on one of his core items and getting pre-emptive compensation buffs which is OK. However, he's losing the most damage late game, and the least early game since Duskblade's damage is level scaling. So why is OP asking for base damage buffs when that's an early-mid game buff? Especially when that is the major pain point for playing against him? Even more so when his problem isn't the early game, but dealing with the Tanks and Supports ADCs have with them and getting around them?
lethality is intrinsically bad late game, its hard to make champs both need lethality and be good late-game without making them really op or just unfun to fight. also p.s should i take ultimate hat on zed?
: Thoughts on zed pbe changes as a master tier 1trick
give it time, they will buff the champs slowly due to the fact that everyone complains when assassins are broken.
y0r1ck (NA)
: Why do you do this? It just makes your post ugly and hard to read.
its a spongebob meme thing.
: Ranked Tiers according to the boards
i used to wonder why every one called d5 trash until i learned thats where the boosted people tend to end up.
: > [{quoted}](name=Anonagon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xBNQnERZ,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2018-03-07T06:25:15.488+0000) > > Thanks for the reply. Been looking forward to a Taliyah skin for a while now since I wasn't really feeling the launch one. I will say that aside from the color scheme similarities, the concept art looked quite nice. Yay! Glad you're digging it so far!
it looks really cool, love what you guys have been doing with the e sports skins. i disliked the old ones just due to how irrelevant they are if you dont watch e sports (even if tpa mundo best mundo), but now they seem like actual quality skins.
Vekkna (NA)
: Which AP assassin is rushing Luden's? Kat and Akali are way better with gunblade, Fizz wants Lich Bane or Proto, and Kassadin goes ROA. Even Leblanc is rushing gunblade instead of Luden's. I mean, that basically just leaves Ahri as the one AP "assassin" running electrocute + rushing Luden's.
i think he means burst mages or maybe diana but im not sure.
: You're right. This is a good comparison.
i mean people dont seem to get that you can buff things more than once if they are weak, its a lot easier to do gradual changes than over buff everything due to other changes that arent even live yet.
: The Hows Of Balance: Patch 8.5
adding utility is a nice way to help make older champions relevant.
Rude Name (OCE)
: Seriously not liking Riot’s responses to everything.
real talk, riots been doing good with communicating with us occasionally toxic fans.
: > [{quoted}](name=RiotRepertoir,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fu4a8LYN,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-03-07T04:52:47.314+0000) > > Gonna try out a few rounds of changes this week most likely. > > And as always, my final decision will be based on the expressed desires of the most upvoted, most rage-fueled thread on the topic that pops up during that time. I love Rioters for posts like this, they make me laught and smile :) Can i upvote whatever is the most rage filled post that keeps AP in the item? I loved the Item for champs like Kayle or Carry Teemo. Granted I'm just here to support the item for it's unique role, I'm neither talented nor play tons of champs who use it. Humble theory crafter who then gets my friend to play it, and so he winds up playing a lot of rage blade :)
i feel like the item is too unique, if it was made ad only then it could be buffed so that champs that only used a part of it before can now feel good buying it.
: I like the version that nerfs kayle into the ground because fuck that champ
they can put some power into her kit that might make her more healthy and less feast or famine.
: Rageblade is losing over a net amount of 1000 gold in stats because Varus and Kog'maw abuse it
i feel like with some changes it being an ad item is more healthy due to on-hit needing to auto attack and that working with ad better, and it losing some hybrid stats it can be made better on some champs other than the only three that use all of its stats.
5301 (NA)
: Why not just go triforce? I remember Pants are Dragon bought this a few times in the past, and doing this allows you to not miss out on cinderhulk
too expensive, warrior is cheep and lets you snowball with some damage midgame.
Bârd (NA)
: You technically can, but you really shouldn't. If Warwick doesn't build tank, he's really good at dying, but not much else.
check the warwick mains subreddit.
Bârd (NA)
: He's definitely a Diver, but he essentially builds full tank with the exception of a tiamat on his first back.
he can build warrior to snowball mid game.
: Patch 8.4 release
holiday in america so they are pushing everything a day later.
: why are you deleting celestial body tho?
they got rid of it because its too much of stat based rune for the inspiration tree.
Poske (EUNE)
: I am quite sure I shouldnt be enthusiastic about a girl being in charge in a workplace primarly dominated by man. Atleast I assume 89% rioters are male or so. Whats the chance of her being the most quallified person there The whole goal of opening up botlane is also extremly concerning I am giving riot 0.5% chance to succed in that And this is coming from someone who played Yasuo adc 100-200 times even in Challenger at some points
i dont think i need to say why what your saying is bad but anyone can be qualified even if its statistically unlikely.
: After reading the new story about Noxus... Am i the only one that'd want a separate game about it?
im thinking a game about traveling similar to ftl with more path based choices along with short hand of fate esque combat for encounters with the rest of it being art and text.
Sharjo (EUW)
: But splash arts show champions as they are NOW in the modern era. It would make no sense to show him in his youth.
riot did say that the champs might not even be from the same time periods.
: New Xin Zhao Splash Art
: The League of Legends Universe is getting greater each Day
some of the lore can be dumb, but other than that lol has probably the best out of game universe since warcraft.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Swain got his magic powers through a pact with a demon and it was never said that Yasuo actually uses magic,it seems to be more like a technique. And I'm pretty sure that we don't know how Zilean got his magic powers,he might have been born with them,but he might have gotten them in some other way. EDIT:Actually I just reread TFs lore and it only mentions how he was "taught" his magic,so he doesn't seem to be some special prodigy.
didnt he get magic by selling out graves?
Jobriq (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chromatic Eagle,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Ix5B32j9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-01T21:51:32.872+0000) > > Twisted Fate was born with his magic. {{champion:202}} uses some, but idk if he was born with it. {{champion:64}} maybe? Didn't TF get his powers through some magical experiment shit or was that his old lore?
he sold out graves to get magic.
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