: I'm never toxic to anyone but mysle unless there's someone going 0-10 by 15 minutes and even then I either call them a troll or say they're inting and that the worst of it. If that's honestly worthy of me being punished then.. well that's bullcrap
Insults/flaming are never okay. There's no "unless".
Guticar (NA)
: Loss Prevention PLEASE
What would be unfair would be to give one team LP while the other doesn't lose any.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Depends? Positive KDA is usually good for your team, at least in lower skill bracket. But, abandoning your team when they need you the most is considered griefing, and that's against the TOS. Sure, you might get away with it sometimes, but repeatable behaviour like that might result in a punishment.
This basically. You would have to have enough games to prove someone is intentionally screwing their team over in favor of their own KDA. I'm not sure how you'd really prove this without dozens of games and very subtle details from them all.
: Is there a way to check logs on anything I've been reported on? Because as I've said I'm a fairly positive guy until it gets ridiculous, and since that chat restrict i've been more silent unless someone's being a real dingleberry, like the afk wukong from start i called a stupid monkey kept DCing and reconnecting that I'm sure was trolling.
Even if someone is being a real dingleberry, toxicity will count against you.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aEwWs2nc,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-24T12:31:32.866+0000) > > I think their assessment of you as arrogant is more than accurate, and you've proven such here. What are you talking about? Nobody accused me of being arrogant, i did. L2R would save us both some time.
> [{quoted}](name=5kcheesesticks,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aEwWs2nc,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T12:44:47.504+0000) > > What are you talking about? Nobody accused me of being arrogant, i did. > > L2R would save us both some time. I interpreted their comment as calling you a hypocrite. Maybe I was wrong. Sorry.
: > [{quoted}](name=Julevi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aEwWs2nc,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T08:02:17.639+0000) > > English is not my mother-tongue so please tell me what was essentially wrong about the comment so I can fix it. First of all you should learn what arrogant means.
> [{quoted}](name=5kcheesesticks,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=aEwWs2nc,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T08:29:21.656+0000) > > First of all you should learn what arrogant means. I think their assessment of you as arrogant is more than accurate, and you've proven such here.
: Why is my honor STILL locked?
Your honor unlock will be slowed if you are still misbehaving in games. Even one line of chat that is negative will slow your honor progress, as it does for anyone.
: Yes there is a thing as the wrong champion any champion that hurts your team is the wrong champion IT IN THE RULES TOO.
: 1. I didn't ask other plays to report him. Kaisa and I were talking and I just said I'm still reporting Voli for his toxicity. 2. I didn't tell him to "kys" though. Was me just saying "still reporting voli. can't just tell people to kys" really a reason to escalate something? I'm just curious because there is definite context needed. 3. I try hard not to get tilted w randoms. If i ever am toxic it's w my own friends in like 5 mans bc hey we've known each other for years. Thanks for the reply! :)
1. Discussing your actions is similar to a call for others to do the same. There is no reason for you to say such things as they amount to harassment of other players in the game. 2. You repeated a zero tolerance phrase. That is why the automated system escalated the punishment. Again, you may get it reduced, however you still displayed rule violating behavior here so I doubt it would be removed completely.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: well and if they do it wrong , how i can proof that they done that wrong ?? , or that they haven't full fill answer my tickets? How i can be peacful knowing that they haven't answered my concerns ,how it comes that another account got answered to what i requested but for the wrong account not the one i asked , and how it comes that they automatly answer no mather of people opinnion or preferences, you tell them to cut out with automatic answers and they keep using them ,pretty respectful. There is no ToS about support assistance behaviour , and definetly they can't ban people because of this ... , i also insisted with that because they told me that they already talked with me about that , and i knowed that they didn't ... , so if someone claims that he fixed your problems ,you just shut up on top they makes you somehow feel like a lier ,who want to waste his own time ,trying to achieve something he already have the answer for , but the intresting part is that he dosn't have it. There is no ToS or rules about support showed up , i just reply back to that ticket and they ban me , i have no rights to feel offended by them , as i not even can report the person who speak like that to me for not fixing my problems... , not even see the person who close my tickets , and also who close tickets without answer. I also notice that my opinnion dosn't mather ,my requests are point less when i politly asked about them , they close now any ticket i open about that subject , feels really normal ... ,after you played the game achieved lv 167 ,feels normal to don't offer the time to adress player request problems and tickets question , and not even read them to answer and peace him about what happened.
Your punishment was not wrong. They do not have to "full fill answer" your tickets. They will answer your question regarding your suspension - why you got it. They are not obligated to answer your other questions that you are asking them - especially when such questions are information that is irrelevant or that you have no right to have access to. Feel free to screenshot your support tickets and post them here to prove they were "wrong", though.
: Is this really worth a 14 day ban?
1. There is never any reason to ask other players to report. It is useless. 2. You repeated a zero tolerance phrase which is what likely escalated this punishment. 3. You **may** get this reduced if you ask support, but they will evaluate your history to determine to remove it or not.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Support assistance line
You already have a thread about this. You do not have an entitlement to the answer you **want**. You were given your answers by support. You disagreeing with them does not mean they are wrong. You do not have an entitlement to have irrelevant or unimportant questions answered. They will explain your punishment, and after that, you do not get more. They will provide you information only about the account that you have submitted the ticket on. If your account was banned from the support site for spam, you cannot submit further tickets regarding that account. That is your own doing.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: https://pastebin.com/NdTmMN8A this are my chat logs , i asked support assistance line to guide me throught what they marked as toxic in chat logs , but they haven't helped me out , i asked that much that at a point , they warn me that if i keep open subject about this and ask again i get suspended over my support account , i keeped write because they keep close tickets and not answer to what i wanted , and also because they insisted i got all the answers i need and that nothing can be further done about , as the permanent ban is right apply. they banned 2 account over support assistance line ,this one as i been log inside board and continue the conversation on support , and the account i been permanent banned inside game , i haven't insulted anyone and only tryed to find how many lines been considered toxic and what exactly they claimed that it worthed 140 years ban , considering the amount of toxicity they showing me as lines , but that's not a possible thingh as they hurry to end and close cases with automatic answers. Is not my fault that they confuse me throught telling me ,that my last 2 games chat logs weren't that toxic neither that negative ,and that my punishment stays for my past behaviour punishments ,and they also told me that i had enought chances to review my behaviour , seems weird to me ,because the last punishment should be according last punishment not according to past behaviour which wasn't anymore further used.
You are not entitled to get the answer you want. You are entitled to an answer. I guarantee you that if you post screenshots of your support tickets we will see that you act childish and claim "you aren't answering me" or badgering the support when they are giving you the answer. They may say they aren't *that* toxic. It doesn't mean they aren't still toxic. You were punished after multiple warnings and in both of these games you are harassing/accusing other players of trolling, threatening reports/punishments, and other negative behavior that is clearly against the rules.
C104k (NA)
: Give me 1000 chat restrictions and I will still speak my mind
Your post, basically: >My parents failed both me and society by letting me throw temper tantrums and be a selfish asshole, and because of that, I get mad when society kicks me out of it.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: About permanent bans
Any rule violating behavior after a 14 day ban may result in a permanent ban. Any behavior that violates specific sections of the terms of use may result in a permanent ban immediately - for example, fraud/chargeback of purchases, as well as account sharing/selling.
: impossible to get more than 3 of my roaster banned in one game LOL thats not how probablity works might as well get an ultimate skin permanent each time i open a chest then that's how likely it's to happen
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hrsNRgmc,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-22T18:52:09.736+0000) > > impossible to get more than 3 of my roaster banned in one game LOL > thats not how probablity works > might as well get an ultimate skin permanent each time i open a chest then that's how likely it's to happen You're right. Saying something is "impossible" is not how probability works.
SSERNINN (NA)
: Iran\IP\Block
Riot would be in violation of US law if they did so, which would potentially result in the downfall of Riot Games and League. I am sure Riot's lawyers are looking for the first opportunity to re-enable access, but until then, they must follow US law.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9thRU0F2,comment-id=00010000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-22T02:17:56.360+0000) > > What do you want them to do? Have a crystal ball? > > Bans won't stop trolling behavior, just like how death sentences don't stop murders. I dare you to murder someone after you have gotten the death sentence.
So.. your problem isn't trolls, it's *repeat* trolls? Because you have no way of knowing if a troll in your game is a repeat troll or not. And yes, the death sentence stops them from murdering another person, but the original murder already happened.
: ***
The repeated creation of this sort of thread contributes nothing worthwhile either.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9thRU0F2,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-21T22:25:57.885+0000) > > No, actually, AeroWaffle is right. > > Just because someone "admits" to trolling in chat doesn't mean they're actually doing it. I know it sounds weird but some people will type that in a joking manner while performing just fine, other people will say it just to get under your skin. In either case you can't just punish someone for saying that because there's more to the story than them just typing "I'm trolling." > > Side note: If you can't handle losing due to things out of your control, you're going to take issue with every multiplayer game in existence. You're _going_ to have bad teammates, lag, unfortunate circumstances, the whole nine yards. If you want an enjoyable experience 100% of the time, swap to a single player game. It sucks to say but it's just a sad truth of online gaming. > > ________ > > Also, obligatory mention, if you keep spamming the same post over and over again they'll start to be removed and your account might be restricted. Don't disregard the rules, report the players to the best of your ability and move on. I don’t care if I get lag, or I dc, or something glitches and I lose because of it because those things rarely happen. However trolling is so commonplace right now that riot needs to do something to help tone it down.
What do you want them to do? Have a crystal ball? Bans won't stop trolling behavior, just like how death sentences don't stop murders.
: what about MY game play experience?? i don't see other people in my shoes turning the other cheek here. What about MY time. We have to reward people for being bad Ina serious competitive game? that basically tells people okay i can do disgustingly bad because it pisses people off and when i ruin they're experience ima let them mouth me off because now they are ruining mines... you see the point im making now? what about NBA players when they cuss each other out on the court? they talk they're shit and the games just keep going, unless an actual contact is made no real dilemma in the SPORT. So if we are going to try league as a sport stop rewarding people for being bad and these reports as well always make the other person seem the victim when you cannot nobodies else's chat but mines here.
If you want to be matched with better players, improve your skill and you will climb. You don't get to flame people for doing poorly.
: You mean contacting Riot on a system RIOT set up for streamers called the LPP with a channel to report greifers? Thats extremist?
That has nothing to do with NB3 being punished. He was punished for his in game toxicity, flaming, and harassment.
: This isn't extremism. Extremism is calling a riot member to ban someone for you. I will still keep my stance that Nubrac was effectively griefing, but I will also maintain my stance that NB went BEYOND ape shit, and that's *also* not acceptable.
Which is why both of them are currently banned.
: Just to build on this and make something clear. You are not required to communicate with your team in the game itself. However, if you are going to do an off meta strat (double mid, double jg, etc) then you are supposed to communicate in that regard.
I think it can be summed up as you do not need to *communicate*, but you must work to *coordinate*. It is possible to coordinate without communicating - it’s possible to pick a “meta support” and assume that the ADC will know what you’re doing - as an example, if you’re playing Brand/Karma, it’s reasonable to assume the ADC will help you poke a lot more. If you’re doing something very off meta, you cannot assume the teammates will understand what you’re doing, so coordination becomes impossible without communication.
: Supports Need a Separated Honor System
Performance has nothing to do with honor. If other players are getting the honor over you, it means you are not being more honorable than them. I play support exclusively on one of my accounts and I will average a little under an honor a game, with a few games of 2-3 honors per week.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=000100040000,timestamp=2019-06-21T03:34:45.080+0000) > > Match history is public data and confirms Riot's statement. > > It's not factually false. It's factually false Nubrac is a streamer himself and he has games of himself using this strats to climb in Elo. For example this video on Youtube show him winning 3 straight games with this strat to go from D1 0LP to D1 57 LP and there is 0 "high profile streamers" in these games. This was also a few days before he played with NB3. Nubrac also claims he was stuck in D3 before starting to use this strat and a quick look at his Op.gg shows this is probably true when his team doesn't hard int/afk like NB3 did. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-NG6j2sA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-NG6j2sA) He was in fact not griefing and was in fact trying to win the game.
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=0001000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T03:43:44.298+0000) > > It's factually false Nubrac is a streamer himself and he has games of himself using this strats to climb in Elo. For example this video on Youtube show him winning 3 straight games with this strat to go from D1 0LP to D1 57 LP and there is 0 "high profile streamers" in these games. This was also a few days before he played with NB3. Nubrac also claims he was stuck in D3 before starting to use this strat and a quick look at his Op.gg shows this is probably true when his team doesn't hard int/afk like NB3 did. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-NG6j2sA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkR-NG6j2sA) > > He was in fact not griefing and was in fact trying to win the game. That video: Him sitting bot lane, supporting. When he is with streamers: Leaves bot lane to fend for themselves without a support while "roaming". There's an obvious difference.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:35:17.565+0000) > > This was **NOT** trolling. > > Trolling has a specific meaning - and requires the actions to be taken with the intent to lose the game. Nubrac did not intentionally lose any games to my knowledge. > > This **was** griefing however, and **VERY** subtly so. The reason this was griefing was because Nubrac was doing these “strategies” almost always only when there were high-profile players (streamers) in his games - Nubrac was targeting specific people for this. > > That sort of subtle behavior takes many games to establish a pattern to confirm. Further, you cannot assume that 400+ games were trolling, because Nubrac may not have been griefing every time he played an off-meta champion/role/etc. This is factually false. Straight up just a lie. He didn't just do this in games with high profile streamers this is straight up something Riot made up to ban someone who didn't deserve to be banned. Instead of banning the high profile LPP streamer that obviously deserves and 2 week break.
> [{quoted}](name=BestPudgeNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=00010004,timestamp=2019-06-21T03:18:18.278+0000) > > This is factually false. Straight up just a lie. He didn't just do this in games with high profile streamers this is straight up something Riot made up to ban someone who didn't deserve to be banned. Instead of banning the high profile LPP streamer that obviously deserves and 2 week break. Match history is public data and confirms Riot's statement. It's not factually false.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Bazerka,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TtydEmqd,comment-id=00310000,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:52:16.629+0000) > > Fwiw lag is rarely (afaik almost never) caused by the servers / infrastructure. Rather, there are always elements that are out of our control (people using wifi, crappy ISP connections, low bandwidth, viruses hogging bandwidth, etc) that cause those issues. There are only so many elements good 'ol rito can control in this equation :X Don't diss WiFi - AC WiFi over an Asus PCE-AC68 PCIe card and an AC68U router with only a wooden wall in between works mighty fine. ;) _Hardware overkill for my current "crappy ISP connection" though._ But you're right about the issues often being located elsewhere than directly client side or server side. With the connection to the game being routed through a number of nodes before even reaching the actual server, if any one of them gets overloaded with traffic, even for a moment, that will affect the end user. That said though, with Crash™, insufficient server hardware allocations was confirmed. On all 3 occasions.
> [{quoted}](name=PaladinNO,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TtydEmqd,comment-id=003100000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T08:59:17.227+0000) > > Don't diss WiFi - AC WiFi over an Asus PCE-AC68 PCIe card and an AC68U router with only a wooden wall in between works mighty fine. ;) > _Hardware overkill for my current "crappy ISP connection" though._ > > But you're right about the issues often being located elsewhere than directly client side or server side. > With the connection to the game being routed through a number of nodes before even reaching the actual server, if any one of them gets overloaded with traffic, even for a moment, that will affect the end user. > > That said though, with Crash™, insufficient server hardware allocations was confirmed. On all 3 occasions. Yes, but keep in mind Clash was literally hundreds of thousands of games starting at one exact time.
Hocker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:46:53.540+0000) > > There’s no double standard. If NB3 is toxic in multiple games, and is reported by players in those games, he is subject to the same punishments as the rest of us. > > You seeing him do things on stream does not mean he does them in many games, and you have no way of knowing if other players **in his games** are reporting him for that behavior. > > His AFK behavior is treated the same as the rest of us - with LeaverBuster penalties. I hear you on the multiple games point... but what I also see is someone responding to their expectations being subverted with a tried and true way to hold the game hostage to try and force the person to cooperate and obey. Not punishing it then sends a message that it is okay to respond to anything you don't like with that kind of behavior. And people ARE doing it a lot these days... so it does beg to wonder why there isn't something more concrete in terms of repercussions for this behavior. All we see are punishments for verbal abuse and inting really... while this behavior is somehow "accepted" by not punishing it.
> [{quoted}](name=Hocker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:53:36.612+0000) > > I hear you on the multiple games point... but what I also see is someone responding to their expectations being subverted with a tried and true way to hold the game hostage to try and force the person to cooperate and obey. Not punishing it then sends a message that it is okay to respond to anything you don't like with that kind of behavior. > > And people ARE doing it a lot these days... so it does beg to wonder why there isn't something more concrete in terms of repercussions for this behavior. All we see are punishments for verbal abuse and inting really... while this behavior is somehow "accepted" by not punishing it. So, the issue here is that you are asking for a double standard to be applied to NB3 simply because he is a streamer, he should be punished “more” than a regular player. There is no way to have automated punishments for griefing. Period. Griefing behaviors are by definition subtle enough to require human intervention to detect and punish. Sure, they could review this game and potentially determine NB3 displayed griefing behaviors himself. However, that would be a double standard and unfair because it would be above and beyond the review an average player’s report would get. If NB3 is reported frequently enough without the automated systems detecting behavior, he will be tracked just as Nubrac was, and punishment issued manually if merited.
: if people really had a bad experience with me i would be on the front page or reddit also most regions are toxic in differnet ways. For example in NA they just stop playing or walk in base, in korea they go afk if they loose at 15 mins and in EUW we flame each other but still play the game. so if truly wanted to be a toxic player i can create a smurf and greif high elo games all day like ratirl or apocalypse. also i have account in 4 different regions so trust me i know how the players are the only reason that i care is because this is my first account.
And all of those things are punished accordingly - AFK players (even if they “walk around” or “afk jungle”) are punished with LeaverBuster low priority queues, flaming is punished as you see. If you grief games, you may not be punished immediately, but you will be punished eventually.
Hocker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:38:46.281+0000) > > Please note that I did not say anything about NB3. This thread is about Nubrac and the time it took to punish this behavior. Not about NB3. pointing out the "double standard" is all
> [{quoted}](name=Hocker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:44:42.252+0000) > > pointing out the "double standard" is all There’s no double standard. If NB3 is toxic in multiple games, and is reported by players in those games, he is subject to the same punishments as the rest of us. You seeing him do things on stream does not mean he does them in many games, and you have no way of knowing if other players **in his games** are reporting him for that behavior. His AFK behavior is treated the same as the rest of us - with LeaverBuster penalties.
: "you’re putting too much of your care into winning/losing instead of having fun." so if i have more fun running it down mid every game i guess thats better then actually wanted to win
No, because in you running it down mid, you’re ruining the fun for 4 other people still (and in fact the enemy, who doesn’t want a troll on the enemy team either). Stop being selfish. Stop being toxic (regardless of if it’s in chat or in your gameplay). Or else, you’ll just keep getting banned.
: Does Riot still not unban people for toxicity?
A permanent ban means permanent. As far as I know, the definition of permanent has not changed in the past three to four years. It still means “forever”, “indefinite”, or “unending”.
Hocker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:35:17.565+0000) > > This was **NOT** trolling. > > Trolling has a specific meaning - and requires the actions to be taken with the intent to lose the game. Nubrac did not intentionally lose any games to my knowledge. > > This **was** griefing however, and **VERY** subtly so. The reason this was griefing was because Nubrac was doing these “strategies” almost always only when there were high-profile players (streamers) in his games - Nubrac was targeting specific people for this. > > That sort of subtle behavior takes many games to establish a pattern to confirm. Further, you cannot assume that 400+ games were trolling, because Nubrac may not have been griefing every time he played an off-meta champion/role/etc. it's a "covert narcissistic" tactic to only engage in the behavior with specific targets... and then use "ambient abuse" to escalate the target while doing it with a shit-eating grin mixed with a condescending attitude. ... what NB3 did in response should also be punished.
> [{quoted}](name=Hocker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GAbn8jwR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-19T16:37:48.819+0000) > > it's a "covert narcissistic" tactic to only engage in the behavior with specific targets... and then use "ambient abuse" to escalate the target while doing it with a shit-eating grin mixed with a condescending attitude. > > ... what NB3 did in response should also be punished. Please note that I did not say anything about NB3. This thread is about Nubrac and the time it took to punish this behavior. Not about NB3.
: I think that people are missing the *stated* point of why Nu-something was banned.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, this is true. NB3 didn’t get Nubrac banned. NB3 filed one report in a multitude of reports over multiple games over multiple days. Nubrac was banned because Nubrac was targeting specific players (streamers/high-profile players) with an off-meta strategy, refused to communicate with his team, did not play his assigned lane, and was reported multiple times for it in multiple games. This is classified as griefing, because although he was griefing, he wasn’t trying to lose the game (thus it’s not really trolling, just griefing).
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:37:17.953+0000) > > Wow. You brought up a “lawsuit”. I’m so scared you MUST be so right!!!! > > In all seriousness, it can be within your definition but not Riot and the community as a whole’s definition. And yes, Riot has repeatedly stated that communication is a requirement for playing outside your assigned role. Then riot will be sued for being a group of inept idiots. You cannot take someones money and apply standards sometimes, especially when you can turn them off, or possibly even have a full language barrier. Riot is a business, they cant do things like this. You cannot post "we encourage meta breaking" or "you can climb only as high as your ingenuity" then ban someone for such.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:39:27.617+0000) > > Then riot will be sued for being a group of inept idiots. You cannot take someones money and apply standards sometimes, especially when you can turn them off, or possibly even have a full language barrier. Riot is a business, they cant do things like this. > > You cannot post "we encourage meta breaking" or "you can climb only as high as your ingenuity" then ban someone for such. Actually, their Terms of Use give Riot the sole authority to determine punishment. Furthermore, the Terms of Use incorporate the Summoner’s Code by reference, which requires communication with your team. So yeah, they may get sued, but the suit would be quickly thrown out and the lawyer would likely be reported to the state Bar association for unethical behavior for accepting payment for the suit.
: hold up so your telling me that people like daddyperma can get away with being perma banned because they are in high elo and known for being toxic as well. but if i on the hand get perma banned there is no way for me to apeal becasue im not known in the community. also yes i do accept what i did was wrong but cut me some slack if 3 people on my team just run it down and i tell them stop and they dont im the one that gets punished for telling them to fucking stop. so what shall i do insted go afk so they can report me for that or shall i just walk in circles and open mid?
Nobody gets their account back after being permanently banned **unless** the permanent ban was originally in error. You, and virtually all others, are free to create a new account.
: wait wait wait wait wait, those 4 people aren't together and they seem to be making the game just as equally less fun for him and each other? also who are to you assume OP is completely at fault and the other people did nothing wrong? Please think before you type and try kicking people while they're down that's such a shitty piece of shit move
Two wrongs do not make a right. If someone else is making the game less fun for you, you don’t get the right to “bring them down to your level”. You also are not the judge, jury, or executioner. You do not have the right to determine if they are even violating the rules or not - that right falls solely with Riot. The OP is completely at fault for his/her actions - as are each of us for our actions taken in game - regardless of what else is going on. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to troll, grief, or be toxic in chat. You are fully responsible for your actions.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:29:18.283+0000) > > While I understand your point of view, as I mentioned, Riot has said that this only applies when you are attempting to shrug the responsibility of your **assigned lane**. There is no enforced champion/build meta - but there **is** an enforced lane assignment in draft pick (ex: top lane, bot lane, support, jungle, etc). > > If you are assigned top, but want to spend the game instead counterjungling the enemy, that would not be acceptable if you simply ignore your team and do that anyway. Likewise, if you are a “roaming teemo support” who doesn’t do any supporting but just roams soaking up XP from various lanes, you need to assure the team is okay with you refusing to play your assigned role. > > If you are unable or unwilling to communicate with your team about this, and they don’t agree to it, then you can and will be punished for it. Roaming teemo support is *literally* within the definition of the support role. And again, COMMUNICATION IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. This would lead to a massive lawsuit that is an easy loss for them, as they take money for this game, and even plaster that off meta is allowed and have in game methods of turning off communication.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:31:20.239+0000) > > Roaming teemo support is *literally* within the definition of the support role. And again, COMMUNICATION IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. This would lead to a massive lawsuit that is an easy loss for them, as they take money for this game, and even plaster that off meta is allowed and have in game methods of turning off communication. Wow. You brought up a “lawsuit”. I’m so scared you MUST be so right!!!! In all seriousness, it can be within your definition but not Riot and the community as a whole’s definition. And yes, Riot has repeatedly stated that communication is a requirement for playing outside your assigned role.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tfqpnEV0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:13:36.588+0000) > > Show me someone banned for “off meta”. Not someone banned for griefing *while* playing off meta, someone banned for playing off meta. > > Oh, you can’t? BTW, the “support singed/nunu” and the recent “roaming teemo support” do not count, as every single one of those cases had aggravating factors that prove the player banned was griefing, not simply playing “off meta”. Literally neither of them were proved as griefing. The fuck are you on?
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tfqpnEV0,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:33:59.704+0000) > > Literally neither of them were proved as griefing. The fuck are you on? They were proved as griefing and warned that if they continued not communicating with their team they would be re-banned. They were also both watched by Rito to ensure they complied.
Lan Fan (EUW)
: If Nubrac deserves to get banned it means...
This was **NOT** trolling. Trolling has a specific meaning - and requires the actions to be taken with the intent to lose the game. Nubrac did not intentionally lose any games to my knowledge. This **was** griefing however, and **VERY** subtly so. The reason this was griefing was because Nubrac was doing these “strategies” almost always only when there were high-profile players (streamers) in his games - Nubrac was targeting specific people for this. That sort of subtle behavior takes many games to establish a pattern to confirm. Further, you cannot assume that 400+ games were trolling, because Nubrac may not have been griefing every time he played an off-meta champion/role/etc.
: i understand that but when 3 of the 4 players on your team flame you all game of corse your gonna get a bit tilted especially when im trying to win
“Getting tilted” is not something “natural” that is uncontrollable. If you’re “getting tilted” playing League, you’re putting too much of your care into winning/losing instead of having fun. Regardless, getting tilted is not an excuse for being an ass. Over 80% of players never get a single chat restriction, much less a permanent ban.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:17:42.000+0000) > > Communication used to be a requirement, and in fact Riot has reconfirmed with (relatively) recent cases of support nunu/singed that players who are playing outside of the enforced role assignments in an “off meta” way have a higher burden of communication and coordination with their team than someone playing within their assigned role. Communication is not and cannot be a requirement. Do you ask permission to pick leona bot? Sona? Lucian? Then you cant set a double standard for viktor top/sup, teemo support mid etc. Likewise, the game has the option for /mute,/mute all. You cannot get banned for something the game itself lets you opt out of. Then theres language barriers. If i cant speak english on a team of 4 people who do, and communication is a requirement, well now i can be banned because i cannot communicate at all.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:23:01.815+0000) > > Communication is not and cannot be a requirement. Do you ask permission to pick leona bot? Sona? Lucian? Then you cant set a double standard for viktor top/sup, teemo support mid etc. > > Likewise, the game has the option for /mute,/mute all. You cannot get banned for something the game itself lets you opt out of. > > Then theres language barriers. If i cant speak english on a team of 4 people who do, and communication is a requirement, well now i can be banned because i cannot communicate at all. While I understand your point of view, as I mentioned, Riot has said that this only applies when you are attempting to shrug the responsibility of your **assigned lane**. There is no enforced champion/build meta - but there **is** an enforced lane assignment in draft pick (ex: top lane, bot lane, support, jungle, etc). If you are assigned top, but want to spend the game instead counterjungling the enemy, that would not be acceptable if you simply ignore your team and do that anyway. Likewise, if you are a “roaming teemo support” who doesn’t do any supporting but just roams soaking up XP from various lanes, you need to assure the team is okay with you refusing to play your assigned role. If you are unable or unwilling to communicate with your team about this, and they don’t agree to it, then you can and will be punished for it.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:08:50.340+0000) > > nb acted like a little shit > > nubrac was actually trolling in many of his games > watch the recap videos he even admits to trolling and his play pattern in some games is straight toxic > > he also doesn't communicate with his team at all effectively forcing 2 people to either deal with it or lose the game > > if he got people on the same page and made an effort his strat would have been far more successful and people wouldn't have complained about him It is not the responsibility the player to tell others how to play. Communication is a suggestion, not a requirement.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yWOpb4tw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:14:16.472+0000) > > It is not the responsibility the player to tell others how to play. Communication is a suggestion, not a requirement. Communication used to be a requirement, and in fact Riot has reconfirmed with (relatively) recent cases of support nunu/singed that players who are playing outside of the enforced role assignments in an “off meta” way have a higher burden of communication and coordination with their team than someone playing within their assigned role.
: It is ok to break meta Unless
Your post should read “unless you are doing it only to grief, and you grief your team while doing it, especially when they ask you not to multiple times”.
: League Now Bans People for Off-Meta Yet Riot has this on their main page...
Show me someone banned for “off meta”. Not someone banned for griefing *while* playing off meta, someone banned for playing off meta. Oh, you can’t? BTW, the “support singed/nunu” and the recent “roaming teemo support” do not count, as every single one of those cases had aggravating factors that prove the player banned was griefing, not simply playing “off meta”.
KamabV (EUW)
: Touché, I've seen people get punished for way less, in my opinion justice needs to be served where it's needed.
This is not an accurate way to discuss punishments. People can be punished for something “minimal” that takes place over 10 games, but also be punished for something “bad” only in two or three games. So you may see someone who did something minimal in many games get punished, but someone who does something “bad” in one game not getting punished, because the frequency is not there. Seeing someone get punished or not based off one game is not an accurate description of the punishment systems, because almost always one game is not enough to get someone punished.
: I just got perma banned is there no way for a different punishment?
“Trying to win” means nothing if you’re making the game less fun for 4 other people.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ouuKvWoI,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-06-19T14:07:53.989+0000) > > Wrong. Nubrac had been reported by many other players within the past few weeks. This is smite singed support 2.0
> [{quoted}](name=Bulletproof Car,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ouuKvWoI,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-19T14:23:21.771+0000) > > This is smite singed support 2.0 Yes, and smite singed was given a “one time pass” if he agreed to stop doing it when his team did not want him to. Players are not allowed to grief their team like this unless their entire team is in agreement.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ouuKvWoI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-19T13:15:32.146+0000) > > ok so > nubrac was trolling > > not with his strat > > nubrac was actually trolling > > his strat is viable > > nubrac was literally trolling > > communicating the strat and not doing it when your team refuses to comply should be the go to action for nubrac > not forcing 2 players to change to a playstyle they aren't familiar with it > > now considering his teams are often not compliant with the strat and he maintains a 50% win rate while this is true and actually trolling is enough proof that the strat is viable > > nubrac was trolling and deserved the ban but not for the reason people think nubrac was not trolling I watched the entire game and the report was only from 1 game nb3 used his insider friend to ban a person and nb3 will do it again if he does not get his meta
> [{quoted}](name=Bulletproof Car,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ouuKvWoI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-19T13:17:28.043+0000) > > nubrac was not trolling I watched the entire game and the report was only from 1 game nb3 used his insider friend to ban a person and nb3 will do it again if he does not get his meta Wrong. Nubrac had been reported by many other players within the past few weeks.
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