Gabriyel (NA)
: During my next game in the chat it said "for offensive language" Post is simply meant as a PSA to anyone unaware of this as I was, as when you report people they are represented as 3 separate subcategories.
The reminder in chat is not intended to be the essay version of your punishment. The actual explanation is given in the reform card. While it could be improved to say something along the lines of “for inappropriate communication”, that is too vague to remind people in my opinion. Further, it is very rare that someone is punished **solely** for one of those offenses. Most instances of negative attitude have offensive language in them, and vice versa, for example.
Gabriyel (NA)
: Uh, I meant to find the reform card thing, as I've never heard of that. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qzhv4xvja3bnout/offensivelanguage5.png?dl=0 Here's the agent's summary of the report and why he feels it's valid. The point of this post is simply I found it humorous that he basically told me being negative was offensive. To which I respond basically "oh, yeah I was negative, why wasn't I restricted for negative attitude." Essentially, from my perspective, as the title reads, the 3 separate report categories have the same criteria and punishment according to this agent.
Your reform card is presented in client anytime you login while the punishment is still active. If your punishment has finished, you can open a support ticket and they can show you the reform card. And you’re right: Negative attitude, offensive language, and similar chat related offenses all have the same escalation structure. The card in client makes clear you are punished for chat offenses - and last I remember seeing it does not specify a very specific subcategory of chat offense that you’re punished for.
Gabriyel (NA)
: Could you provide instructions on how to do that? Be happy to do so!
This is heavily dependent on your computer operating system and what software(s) you have installed, I would recommend googling to find specific instructions for your OS and software. The general idea is this: * Take a screenshot (either with PrintScreen button or a program). * Save the screenshot (either using Paint or another program). * Upload the screenshot to an image sharing site (such as imgur, etc). * Post the link in a comment/post here.
Gabriyel (NA)
: If you read the screenshots provided he says I was penalized for offensive language because of my negative attitude, my whole ticket became why aren't you penalizing me for that then lol
Why don’t you post a picture of your **entire** reform card presented in client?
Gabriyel (NA)
: So according to riot support Offensive Language, Verbal abuse, and Negative attitude are one.
So, your punishment was valid (you admit it) but you’re concerned the message is incorrect? It seems obvious to me that “offensive language” or “offensive chat” can include all the things that the support agent mentioned. It is as in the real life legal system - many crimes are not *explicitly* defined with their own names in the laws, but are instead incorporated as part of other laws/crimes.
: I got perma banned... (Warning)
And this isn't new. It's been the same for at least 3 seasons now.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T20:12:24.855+0000) > > They don't say **will**. They say **do**. The definition of do vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Do: **achieve or complete.** {{champion:127}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3091}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=FancyMaryLynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T20:33:11.004+0000) > > The definition of do > vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv > Do: **achieve or complete.** > {{champion:127}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3091}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} It's not the definition of the word "do" that matters. It's the fact that **within** the definition there is no **mandate**. Saying you "do" something does not mean you **always** do it. It just means you sometimes do it.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T19:28:29.299+0000) > > They never state that they **will** provide information. They are not violating anything in their policy by not providing it because they never say they **will**. **Will and Do mean different things**. Will an it's definition vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Will: **expressing inevitable events**. {{champion:412}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3089}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=FancyMaryLynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-20T19:40:49.542+0000) > > Will an it's definition > vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv > Will: **expressing inevitable events**. > {{champion:412}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3089}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} They don't say **will**. They say **do**.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-20T16:26:51.322+0000) > > They say they do share information. They do not say they share it with players upon request. You should read the entire thread next time... I had to use the word egg cause in a thread earlier he was being sarcastic and said because I do eat eggs. but that doesn't mean that I must eat eggs when requested. Which was hard having to write using the damn word egg... You can reserve your rights to your **eggs** but when you also state that you will **eat eggs** **upon demand** because it's **good** for **me**, never stating you will not egg these **eggs** **upon demand** because they are a **health concern**. You must eat the **eggs** on request. Especially when you don't state that when you will eat **eggs** **upon demand** in this policy that it is void in this section of our agreement, or avoiding it entirely by stating it's a **health** **concern** for you to eat these **eggs** **upon demand**. You have your rights to do what you want with your **eggs**, but you tossed them out the window once you said, you will **eat eggs** **upon demand** because it's **good** for **me**. You may have rights, but you must adhere to your own policy that you've put in place which is that you will eat **eggs** **upon demand** cause they're **good** for **me**. If you want to deny my **demands** you will have to rewrite your policy stating that you can't eat these **eggs** because they are a **health concern**. {{champion:412}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3091}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
> [{quoted}](name=FancyMaryLynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=l1lvfvpm,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-20T19:02:48.882+0000) > > You should read the entire thread next time... > > I had to use the word egg cause in a thread earlier he was being sarcastic and said because I do eat eggs. but that doesn't mean that I must eat eggs when requested. Which was hard having to write using the damn word egg... > > You can reserve your rights to your **eggs** but when you also state that you will **eat eggs** **upon demand** because it's **good** for **me**, never stating you will not egg these **eggs** **upon demand** because they are a **health concern**. You must eat the **eggs** on request. Especially when you don't state that when you will eat **eggs** **upon demand** in this policy that it is void in this section of our agreement, or avoiding it entirely by stating it's a **health** **concern** for you to eat these **eggs** **upon demand**. You have your rights to do what you want with your **eggs**, but you tossed them out the window once you said, you will **eat eggs** **upon demand** because it's **good** for **me**. You may have rights, but you must adhere to your own policy that you've put in place which is that you will eat **eggs** **upon demand** cause they're **good** for **me**. If you want to deny my **demands** you will have to rewrite your policy stating that you can't eat these **eggs** because they are a **health concern**. > {{champion:412}} {{summoner:11}} {{item:3091}} {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} They never state that they **will** provide information. They are not violating anything in their policy by not providing it because they never say they **will**. **Will and Do mean different things**.
: If you've ever request full Chat Logs from a game of League of Legends, use this against them.
They say they do share information. They do not say they share it with players upon request.
: That's not defending yourself but ok. Punish the people arguing with the people that throw and int games. Makes sense.
Defend: (v) to protect from harm/danger. To defend yourself is muting. To **retaliate** or **flame** is to fight back.
: That seems fair. So if someone attacked you, that doesn't give you the right to defend yourself? hmmm by that logic, if someone ever attacks you, I want you to just let it happen.
You're allowed to defend yourself. In fact, Riot provided multiple ways for you to mute their chat. You are not allowed to violate the rules.
: Team Wide Argument leads to 10 game chat restriction and reset of honor level 4??
Other people flaming doesn't make it okay for you to flame them.
: more evidence the better. record it.
Riot and support agents won't look at recordings. Riot already has recordings of all actions and chat in every game. A player provided recording can be doctored and it takes 5 seconds for them to prove the completely legitimate recording from their records.
: Record that shit, with chat. Send it in a ticket to riot, and report all. Dont tilt, just run down mid with 6 IE trying to end.
This, except no recording necessary, and don't run it down mid. Even if OP leaves the game, my understanding is Riot would reverse the punishment if the OP is telling the truth.
: is there a function on the replay viewer to do that or are you suggesting i edit the video with black boxes covering everyone's names?
It doesn't matter how you do it (and for the record I don't know, but I believe there is because others have done it easily). The boards rules apply to everyone. You can find them on the sidebar.
Jinto (OCE)
: Honor Capsules (imo) don't actually give enough 'stuff' to incentivize good behavior
They aren't supposed to be an incentive for good behavior. They're supposed to be a *reward* for not behaving bad. You don't incentivize lack of negative behavior. You punish negative behavior. Incentives are reward for behavior *above* that which is expected.
: ***
Another claim you've made with no evidence.
: Dude You may disagree You may re quote rules all day long You can make excuses for them But I did the test---- if you disagree go do the test instead of trying to disprove my results with your opinions All I gave you is facts, maybe you're too trusting and don't understand what you're standing up for. Maybe because you're a volunteer?
You've provided no data. Maybe you should look at how test results are presented in scientific articles.
: Mute everyone
How do you say "Let's rotate top to distract them, then send three of us bot to do dragon"? Pings can't say everything.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-19T03:07:50.386+0000) > > Why should they suspend or punish players for their own mistake? while I'm not upset with this they obviously have the right to ban them for a valid reason, there being a bug is 1 thing, nothing the players can do about it, but to then use/abuse the bug for an insane amount of free stuff that's on the user's end, they abused a bug to gain allot of free stuff, if there was a bug with say ryze his Q that caused it to 1 shot kill everyone and someone happened to pick ryze and it happened hey, not their fault, they didn't know the bug existed, but if after discovering the bug you proceed to play ryze every single game then that's bug abuse simple as that, same case here, buying tons of capsules for just 1 BE is bug abuse and is or should be bannable offense
> [{quoted}](name=hhaavviikk,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c8vAvhJT,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-19T07:53:12.972+0000) > > while I'm not upset with this they obviously have the right to ban them for a valid reason, there being a bug is 1 thing, nothing the players can do about it, but to then use/abuse the bug for an insane amount of free stuff that's on the user's end, they abused a bug to gain allot of free stuff, if there was a bug with say ryze his Q that caused it to 1 shot kill everyone and someone happened to pick ryze and it happened hey, not their fault, they didn't know the bug existed, but if after discovering the bug you proceed to play ryze every single game then that's bug abuse simple as that, same case here, buying tons of capsules for just 1 BE is bug abuse and is or should be bannable offense They didn't announce it was a bug until hours after it was fixed. There is no way players could've known this was not some new promotional thing Riot was doing. Like, say, free pancakes from IHOP on national pancake day. Sure they lose a shit ton of money. But it brings people in, and if they enjoy it, they'll come back. Sure, Riot didn't say that's what was happening. But it's completely reasonable for someone to think that was what was happening. And they may have figured the capsules would be limited or very low value items. Again, there's **more than reasonable doubt**. So long as there's a chance a player is innocent, Riot won't punish them. The worst Riot would do would be revert transactions, but they have stated that it's impossible to do that fairly. Thus they're doing the next best thing: honoring all of them to avoid punishing innocent players.
888leoj (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IEBmNOuE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-19T03:03:25.460+0000) > > You're doing things in the wrong order. > > As far as Riot is concerned, the account has not been recovered yet and is still subject to breaching. > > You need to submit a ticket under the "I can't access my account option", **ignore the ban and don't mention it** follow the account recovery process, **then**, and only after you recover your account, ask them to help undo any punishments that were made during the compromise. > > **However**, Riot usually waits some time after detecting scripts to ban, and they're banned in waves. As such, it seems **exceedingly** unlikely your account would've been banned **within 24 hours**. That is not standard at all and makes me suspicious of your story. Here's a screenshot of the ban message for clarification https://i.imgur.com/L5A8jDp.jpg . They also mention the fact that the account is permanently suspended in the original imgur post so i don't know how i could make the fact that my account is actually banned any clearer. Yes i've heard of this whole wave ban thing when it comes to cheating as well and either i got unlucky and got hacked into just before one of these waves hit or riots changed their policy on banning cheating recently (if there's a sudden spike in 3rd party scripting on accounts due to people getting access to others accounts in a breach i dont find the 2nd option that unreasonable either tbh). I could try "i can't access my account" but i'm pretty sure i'd get similar responses from riot games regarding this whole thing(will probably try it tomorrow anyway if nothing else works we'll see). it also seems like the "recover my account" option on riot games support is more suited for people that can't access their account due to stuff like password changes/email breaches etc (because to submit a "recover my account" ticket you literally have to be logged out of your account) which is not my problem since you can still log onto the account(aka i know the credentials, because my email wasn't compromised 2 factor authentication ftw lul) on the forums/riot support even if your account has been permanently banned on an in game server (kinda peculiar how that works tbh was surprised i could write on here when this accounts banned but oh well). also as i've stated before if you look around the forums for a bit you'll find other examples of people having the same issue so i don't think it's that uncommon of a thing(something something collection#1 breach 770 million accounts/emails/passwords were compromised).
> [{quoted}](name=888leoj,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IEBmNOuE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-19T06:11:27.180+0000) > > Here's a screenshot of the ban message for clarification https://i.imgur.com/L5A8jDp.jpg . They also mention the fact that the account is permanently suspended in the original imgur post so i don't know how i could make the fact that my account is actually banned any clearer. Yes i've heard of this whole wave ban thing when it comes to cheating as well and either i got unlucky and got hacked into just before one of these waves hit or riots changed their policy on banning cheating recently (if there's a sudden spike in 3rd party scripting on accounts due to people getting access to others accounts in a breach i dont find the 2nd option that unreasonable either tbh). > > I could try "i can't access my account" but i'm pretty sure i'd get similar responses from riot games regarding this whole thing(will probably try it tomorrow anyway if nothing else works we'll see). it also seems like the "recover my account" option on riot games support is more suited for people that can't access their account due to stuff like password changes/email breaches etc (because to submit a "recover my account" ticket you literally have to be logged out of your account) which is not my problem since you can still log onto the account(aka i know the credentials, because my email wasn't compromised 2 factor authentication ftw lul) on the forums/riot support even if your account has been permanently banned on an in game server (kinda peculiar how that works tbh was surprised i could write on here when this accounts banned but oh well). also as i've stated before if you look around the forums for a bit you'll find other examples of people having the same issue so i don't think it's that uncommon of a thing(something something collection#1 breach 770 million accounts/emails/passwords were compromised). Well, until you go through account recovery and prove your account was compromised, the ban will stay. Riot doesn't just believe everyone who says "it wasn't me". You need to have their account recovery specialist team investigate and correct the compromise. Not the ban review team.
: Chat Ban After Effect
It's not a bug. Your honor will unlock over 50-100 games played with good behavior.
: What about capsules that players got for Blue Essence?
Why should they suspend or punish players for their own mistake?
888leoj (EUW)
: Unreasonably banned
You're doing things in the wrong order. As far as Riot is concerned, the account has not been recovered yet and is still subject to breaching. You need to submit a ticket under the "I can't access my account option", **ignore the ban and don't mention it** follow the account recovery process, **then**, and only after you recover your account, ask them to help undo any punishments that were made during the compromise. **However**, Riot usually waits some time after detecting scripts to ban, and they're banned in waves. As such, it seems **exceedingly** unlikely your account would've been banned **within 24 hours**. That is not standard at all and makes me suspicious of your story.
: banned
Yes, but not because I'm a pussy, but because I don't like seeing people be asshats to other players just because they can't handle losing some games.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=sY0AeiXe,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-19T00:40:47.690+0000) > > Riot doesn't give you a specific way to check, otherwise the system could easily be cheesed and abused. > > The reason the new account was instantly perma'd is because Riot has pretty good smurf detection, and they have zero tolerance for people getting on smurfs just to break rules. smurf detection? meaning what? they track you based on IP and email address? I'm not another Tyler1....that guys makes a new account and is banned outright for being himself.
Computers have moved much past the days of only being able to determine someone's identity through IP. Riot likely uses some proprietary methods, which include algorithms that make a "fingerprint" of your playstyle, clicks, keypresses, etc. While it's not possible to determine identity from this, if two games are run through their algorithm and the "fingerprint" is sufficiently similar, it's virtually certain it's the same person.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=3BUMiaRr,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-18T20:56:57.176+0000) > > I can find no documentation of Clyde Bot acting in discord channels. On the other hand, it is very well documented by Discord that it operates in DMs. > > I cannot rule out that they edited their code without updating the documents. I think this is highly unlikely, however. I do think in this case it was an attempt to send a message after the pullroom had been closed. That's consistent with the data I see on my end, although I obviously cannot see the last message sent by the OP.
Okay, thank you. Maybe this is very new and discord has not updated docs on help site yet. Glad you could figure it out for OP.
: You blew it. Step 1. Go to the Riot discord server. Step 2. Go to the inquiries section. Step 3. Ping a moderator to pull you into a private room. Step 4. Have the moderator leave the room. Step 5. Post a message. > Your message could not be delivered because you don't share a server with the recipient Have a nice life.
I really don't get why you're being so vile. As a specialist I don't know if it would react the same to me as to you and I'm not creating a new account to test it. Discord has been very good at documentation since they started. Again, I used their **official** documentation of Clyde Bot to inform me that it's unlikely that was the case. Again, I admitted that they may have failed to update their documentation and it may be wrong. You, instead of accepting that I made the best determination possible with the information available, appear to have simply attacked me.
: You are the one that doesn't know how discord works. Read what Deep Terror Nami edited into their original comment. > Follow the link on top of this page, and after creating an account or signing in as a guest the first course of action is to read the #welcome channel rules. This will tell you where to go to for reports and who to ping for it. > > To use the #off-topic and #inquiries channels you'll need to get verified. > > Once a moderator responsible for the board you need help on answers, they will pull you into a private room. > > When all's said and done you'll be removed from the private room, but are free to stick around. That is what I did. Now you tell me which part is instigating a direct message conversation. This is your one chance with me. Your response determines whether I ever spend effort responding to you ever again.
I can find no documentation of Clyde Bot acting in discord channels. On the other hand, it is very well documented by Discord that it operates in DMs. I cannot rule out that they edited their code without updating the documents. I think this is highly unlikely, however.
: I went through the appropriate channels. I did not direct message anyone. Riot chooses what they want to record in their discord server. You don't get to blame me for Riot not recording things on their server.
I understand you may not know how discord works, but there's a damning piece of evidence that you yourself posted in your OP, a smoking gun, if you will, that this was a DM conversation.
: I just got a 14 day suspension for these logs of only 1 game....
No mistake. The censored phrase is racist. Racism is a zero tolerance behavior in League.
: reach out to the Boards Moderation Team via: The NA Boards Discord
Then why did you not follow the instructions in the discord to have the conversation recorded in the discord, and you instead decided to go through DM?
: Why is this acceptable by the community? Its outright unsportsmanship conduct
Sometimes playing poorly but a champion that synergizes with the team comp is more important than getting a good kda.
Velgam (NA)
: The only thing consistent is you...
Simple: your understanding of the statistics surrounding wins is inaccurate. Statistically, KDA, both individual and team, are not a significant factor in winning a game. Statistically, winning lane does not correlate either. The only thing that controls your placement in league is your performance. Period.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lkzAavKX,comment-id=00040002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T20:39:08.520+0000) > > You are arguing that you should be allowed to leave if your teammates aren't listening to you. They don't get listen to you. why. I'm better then they are
1. You don't get to decide that. 2. There isn't some sort of "captain" or "mvp" role in League.
: I mean... unless your t1
None of Tyler1's accounts were **ever** unbanned.
LigmaBal1z (EUNE)
: plz unban me (if i can getantoehr chacne )
Unfortunately, once an account is correctly permanently banned, after a 14 day ban, there are no more chances.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lkzAavKX,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2019-01-17T17:36:30.182+0000) > > You aren't the boss of your teammates ?
You are arguing that you should be allowed to leave if your teammates aren't listening to you. They don't get listen to you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4TKw4gfJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-17T07:14:48.255+0000) > > A mute button is not an excuse to treat others like dirt. You're right, it is not an excuse, but it solves the problem. The toxic player gets to vent his frustration, and the unfortunate victim gets to block it out. Everyone benefits. Well, sort of, unless the toxic player spends too much time chatting instead of playing, or he starts to int, but that's besides the point.
It solves the problem for one person in one game. It does not stop them from ruining other games. And someone has to be toxic before you can mute them - thus at least some of the damage is already done.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lkzAavKX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-17T01:17:14.363+0000) > > If you don't want to play a game of League, please do not push the "Play" or "Queue" buttons. > > If you can't agree to play a **full** game until the Nexus falls, either don't play or take your punishment. I want to play. But if their jungle is greeding for scuttle that we have warded when she is lvl 2 with 20% hp, and I spam ping to collapse on her, and nobody pings or reacts, then its clear that they didn't sign up to play a competitive game of league. If due to Riots terrible matchmaking, both bot and mid have lost all lane priority 30 seconds into the game, thats fine. But at least fucking ping that you aren't going to be able to move to scuttle. Or type "hey, I'm dogshit. I'll never have lane priority" and I'll play around that.
You aren't the boss of your teammates
: Right everyone says that like some sort of robot. If you match up their chat logs you'll see that I was actually being reasonable in my responses. I get it, you can mute someone and get on with your game but I also believe that any team can suddenly click, come together and win. I like keeping the lines of communication open even if they are hurling insults. Sometimes I even get a laugh from what I or others might say. I truly thought my swearing was my biggest issue so I completely stopped it. There is nothing in the guidelines that say immediately mute someone who is toxic, don't respond or you'll be banned. You find this out after being banned so now I don't even have a chance to apply my knowledge to improve my account. Also people have to realize that I've played 1000 games, out of those games I've been given about 10 chat logs that led to two chat restrictions, a 14 day ban and then a permanent ban. Overall, I'm a non-toxic player who was frequently saying "we can do it guys" "Good job" in 90% of his games.
The reasonable response is to mute and report them and let the "authorities" handle it. Vigilante justice, no matter how "mild" it is, is not okay. The guidelines don't say not to respond to toxicity. Because that isn't against the rules. Toxicity and flaming, however, are against the rules. And the rules don't say "it's okay if he started it first".
: I do understand now how seriously they take even the smallest amount of negativity no matter what's being said to you but my account is banned, thousands of games, money, time, and friends all gone with a snap of Riots fingers. I understand how these chat logs are seen as negative because there was a lot of negativity surrounding these games. If I was saying all these things unprovoked while my team begged me to stop being toxic, sure, ban me but each game quickly turned into a Yahoo chat session between a few angry dudes slinging insults. I was actually trying my best to be a good boy and not cross any lines that would get me banned for life. I really didn't realize that Riot was so hard when deciding if someone is truly toxic, defending their honor or simply being poked too much while having a bad game/experience. I'm a combat Veteran with an operational stress injury, if you insult me, I can't turn a blind eye and stay silent which makes me perfect pray for trolls who be trollin, Yasuo especially. How do they even credit these reports when if you pair up the chat logs you can clearly see that I was being bullied in each game for the duration of the games.
Because this is not a fight where you're at risk for bodily injury. It does not matter what other players do or say to you - it doesn't make bad behavior okay.
: The story of a lonely gamer banned from the only game he plays.
So, I love Lux. Glad to see someone who likes playing her in non-mid situations. That being said, in all three game logs you provide, you're either being very condescending to teammates, or even flat out flaming them. That's why you're punished. I get it sucks, especially when you're playing support, when people flame you for small mistakes. But that doesn't make it okay to flame others.
: idk man i see both sides of this situation... there are a lot of games that are unwinnable where you get held hostage and thats extremely frustrating, but at the same time I agree with you that if you don't have time to play a game then you shouldnt. I think the problem here isnt that he didnt have the time to play but that he thought it was a waste of his time to play something that was clearly unwinnable rather than to go next and play a game where there was some actual competition
No. Just no. There is no unwinnable game until the Nexus explodes. You may think there's an *insanely* low chance, but it's not 0. Ever. Period. And as long as there's a chance, you agree to help your teammates try to win. Not leave games early and make it harder for them to win just because you think the chance is too low for your liking.
: Give us a log out button
If you don't want to play a game of League, please do not push the "Play" or "Queue" buttons. If you can't agree to play a **full** game until the Nexus falls, either don't play or take your punishment.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GMcVflfx,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-16T22:19:49.365+0000) > > Well, this isn't a case study, it's more like a population study. I'll be the first to admit that many players punished aren't "bad". But that doesn't mean that they have an anti-societal understanding of social norms. From my experience watching toxicity in League since I started playing in season 1/2, it has become clear to me that for whatever reason League causes players to turn off their "decency" centers. It makes them feel as if this sort of behavior is okay, be it chat, trolling, afking, that affects other players. Most humans understand, unless they bury it, that it's not okay to ruin something for others just for your own good. That's the thing, though: In most cases it's rarely even about "ruining something for others just for your own good". Unless it's my mentioned cases of people just being toxic because they were banned or they're on smurf accounts and "don't care about punishment" in their words, toxicity is never really about ruining the experience but expressing how their own experience was ruined. Even when it comes to people making mistakes, most of the time those mistakes are understood. What leads from that though is when mistakes continue to stack and eventually lead to detriment for the team, it causes people to stress. That's probably because people aren't playing this game for the enjoyment but for the progress or pride in victory. In my case, I rarely tilt over normals unless there's a drastic difference in skill level between the teams. Even then, it's just a matter of "Well, it happens in normals". It's only with Ranked where the skill differences matter and really affect me. Though that's just me, I'm sure it could be different for others who probably take normals as serious as ranked or neither serious at all. That probably has most to do with the fact that League of Legends is 100% a competitive experience, whereas many people don't compete for the sheer enjoyment of competition but instead to win. And I'm sure that by this point people understand that when all you do is play to win, it's no longer a fun game to play when you're losing. Still, I do think that frustration sometimes treads upon grounds of ruining the experience for others. It's a matter of the experience of losing for some players vs the experience of others unintentionally causing losses. I've got no choice but to leave it to Riot to decide which matters most, because while it'd be both irresponsible and unfair to fault players who do poorly in some matches, I can't say that I blame players for reacting negatively when they're trying their best but still lose because of others.
I think we have a disconnect: I don't care personally **why** people are toxic. It is not natural for people to have this extremely selfish attitude. Sure, they may not be toxic to "ruin other's fun for their own good", but if they changed their attitude to one that didn't allow that sort of behavior, they wouldn't be anywhere near as toxic. And here's the thing. Humans are social creatures. Selfishness is the **last** resort biologically. In fact, many mental illnesses are likely or in part because humans' biological impediment to selfishness has gone haywire and either become overly active or nonexistent. Given this, there is no reason to believe the majority of League players can't be decent people. Thus turning them back towards behavior that takes into consideration others is Riot's goal. Do they *need* to focus on reforming people? No, they could play cat and mouse and hope they eventually outsmart them or they only get outsmarted by a few people. But that wouldn't do any good for the players who go through life thinking this sort of thing is okay.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=GMcVflfx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-16T19:56:44.750+0000) > > I’m a little too busy Making me do work... {{sticker:darius-angry}} Fine. I'm a big psychology dude so I can already figure out what you mean. I don't fully agree with the assertion though because I've come to know many different types of people with individual thought processes or experiences yet they still generally function the same way. Like, there are a variety of mentalities that could lead to an identical result. Example being, why does someone make fun of someone else? In general, it's a question regarding bullying but extends far beyond that. There's an endless number of reasons for why it occurs, yet only a number of them amount to the reasoning of "Because I'm a bad person".
Well, this isn't a case study, it's more like a population study. I'll be the first to admit that many players punished aren't "bad". But that doesn't mean that they have an anti-societal understanding of social norms. From my experience watching toxicity in League since I started playing in season 1/2, it has become clear to me that for whatever reason League causes players to turn off their "decency" centers. It makes them feel as if this sort of behavior is okay, be it chat, trolling, afking, that affects other players. Most humans understand, unless they bury it, that it's not okay to ruin something for others just for your own good. That's why Riot has to punish to change that attitude. If they just change the *action*, the players will find another way to ruin the experience for others. And then Riot will punish that action, and they then would find another way... Etc. Until it becomes too hard or too ambiguous to punish. By pushing people to that, you're reducing the effectiveness of punishment and increasing the negativity in game.
: Why is perma-muting people punished for chat-related offenses worse than perma-banning them?
To be fair, the claim is both supported by the psychology argument - that toxicity is not a problem of *action* but of *attitude or mentality*, but also by hard data from back when Riot actually did have infinitely increasing chat restrictions. I’m a little too busy to go into arguments of psychology with the boards right now, but you can probably find them if you look in other threads on this subject.
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: Dafuq does this even mean.
KappaPride is an emote on twitch chat that many people use either *sarcastically* or in response to a streamer making a joke involving sexuality. By saying “Rito KappaPride company” the poster is likely trying to insinuate that Riot is giving LGBT players *extra* benefits that they don’t deserve, and honestly I consider the way this was said to be homophobic in and of itself, but it’s a lot less clear due the obscure use of the KappaPride reference.
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