: Lmao. Imagine being this delusional and still trying to take the high road with the "mature adult" line. Mature adults don't cry and call the police when someone tells them that something they did was bad. Mature adults don't tell other people to kill themselves. Mature adults laugh at delusional little pricks who make the world insufferable and. Mature adults also don't make decisions in a vacuum and instead, look at the context of a decision to appraise its justification. You say that "nobody elses actions are judged when deciding action against you" but why, might I ask? A jury wouldn't convict someone of murder for shooting someone else if the person who got shot was breaking into the gunman's home. But in your imagination, "it doesn't matter, you did something illegal and nothing justifies it". Get out of here with that dumbass argument. And 100% I'll call your argument dumbass every single time. Is it because I'm toxic? No, it's because it's dumb and you deserve to hear that it's dumb and why. And that's called being constructive. Constructive criticism doesn't have to coddle your feelings, and mine certainly won't.
When all you're doing is insulting, it's not constructive. Constructive criticism doesn't just tell people what's wrong, it helps fix it. You telling me I'm wrong and dumb doesn't do anything constructive. Nobody is breaking into your home here. This is a video game.
: I am dissatisfied with this product.
Giving consumers the choice to buy something if they want it or not, is now "anti-consumer". Hmm, last I checked, anti-consumer referred to illegal monopolies, not giving people the product they paid for, charging exuberant fees on top of a low "base price", etc. Not simply selling a product.
: ***
Okay, you can take that shit line out. You score shamed and blamed your teammates all game. You insulted them in many subtle ways. You know this. You did the same thing here to me just now. It's not okay in League. Period. You can call it thin skinned. I call it being a mature adult. And it's the rules. So if you want to play League, follow them. Constructive criticism is allowed. Nothing you said was constructive.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=948oIr25,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T05:08:05.161+0000) > > No. > > After the removal of the Tribunal, there has never been as many levels as you suggest. It has been, since that time, 10 game CR, 25 game CR, 14 day ban, then permanent ban. No thats wrong, guaranteed, ive literally had the experience in season 7, you got 5-10-15-25. I swear on my life, that is how it went. It hasnt been 10, 25, 14, perma, until season 8. and if what your saying is true, then im going to make this argument, It has something to do with the honor system. If you have higher honor, you get more chances and less chance to just get chat restricted for one toxic game, or permaed for one toxic game. And to think, there is 200 games to level 30, and around 150 of those games will be played with people who get banned for telling peopel to kill themselves and stuff you have to play with them, for 150/200 of the games to level 30. Its ridiculous. How am i supposed to level my account if have to deal with people like that.
> [{quoted}](name=TheBloodLordVlad,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=948oIr25,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-24T05:14:03.439+0000) > > No thats wrong, guaranteed, ive literally had the experience in season 7, you got 5-10-15-25. I swear on my life, that is how it went. It hasnt been 10, 25, 14, perma, until season 8. and if what your saying is true, then im going to make this argument, It has something to do with the honor system. If you have higher honor, you get more chances and less chance to just get chat restricted for one toxic game, or permaed for one toxic game. And to think, there is 200 games to level 30, and around 150 of those games will be played with people who get banned for telling peopel to kill themselves and stuff you have to play with them, for 150/200 of the games to level 30. Its ridiculous. How am i supposed to level my account if have to deal with people like that. You have no proof of that because it didn't happen. If you aren't willing to accept you're wrong, there is no point in discussing with you.
: Riots chat restriction/ban system in season 7, compared to now. Why do we get less of a chance?
No. After the removal of the Tribunal, there has never been as many levels as you suggest. It has been, since that time, 10 game CR, 25 game CR, 14 day ban, then permanent ban.
: Let's also love the fact that Riot doesn't share the logs from other players and let you copy paste them, so all logs are extremely biased against you in the first place. I'm gonna ping every single Riot employee until someone shares the logs of every player for this entire game.
No. Because your punishment is not based on their behavior or chat, but it is based on your behavior and chat.
: ***
Facts can be flaming and insulting. You literally scoreshamed people and at multiple times called people things including "shit", "2v1 lane me vs them", and many more. Further, your attitude in this game was not one of building your team up and helping them to victory, but instead spent the entire game tearing teammates down and tearing them apart. This is quite clearly against the Summoner's Code. I encourage you to go reread that if you need to.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nEcMGAog,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:59:49.133+0000) > > You're either incredibly lucky or your managers hate you :P > > I'm not saying it'll happen to everyone - but technically speaking, if you work a shift work job, your manager can call you and *request* (there are limitations on what they can force you to do on short notice depending on jurisdiction) you work an extra shift, starting "ASAP". If you don't go in that second, they may not give you the shift. > > That's the choice many people may have to make - especially those less well off for whom 8 hours of pay (or even OT pay) may be the difference between skipping a meal each day this week and being able to eat, or paying rent and being evicted, etc. Lol i didnt disagree about the technicality. Im sure they technically could call me, and as you said, it wouldnt be mandatory. You kinda covered everything, so there was nothing to disagree with. I was just replying for the sake of replying. Didnt mean to come off like I was disagreeing with you xD
Ah - I wasn't sure if you were providing your anecdotal experience or trying to disprove :)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nEcMGAog,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:40:27.660+0000) > > To be quite honest, I have such a job, but it is *rare* I am called in. Regardless, technically *everyone* who works a shift job has a standby job - someone calls in sick, you may be called and asked to come in. While not mandatory, who would give up an extra 8 hours of pay (and possible overtime) just to say "no I can't come in for 10 more minutes because I'm playing a video game"? I have never in 12 years been called to come in to work a shift that i wasnt already scheduled for.
You're either incredibly lucky or your managers hate you :P I'm not saying it'll happen to everyone - but technically speaking, if you work a shift work job, your manager can call you and *request* (there are limitations on what they can force you to do on short notice depending on jurisdiction) you work an extra shift, starting "ASAP". If you don't go in that second, they may not give you the shift. That's the choice many people may have to make - especially those less well off for whom 8 hours of pay (or even OT pay) may be the difference between skipping a meal each day this week and being able to eat, or paying rent and being evicted, etc.
: That's why I would HATE having a stand by job where they can just call you anytime and you gotta go in. Sorry your video game match was ruined because of it.
To be quite honest, I have such a job, but it is *rare* I am called in. Regardless, technically *everyone* who works a shift job has a standby job - someone calls in sick, you may be called and asked to come in. While not mandatory, who would give up an extra 8 hours of pay (and possible overtime) just to say "no I can't come in for 10 more minutes because I'm playing a video game"?
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=c35HejzK,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:27:07.724+0000) > > The only context in which bringing up players who are "whales" on the boards would be used is when it is used as an attempt to disparage. I cannot see and refuse to believe there *is* an acceptable discussion where League players would be grouped into "whales" and "not whales" unless you can provide an example of one where it would be acceptable. > > Even if a rare case where it is appropriate *does* exist, in my opinion it is much better to simply have a blanket ban and deal with the rare case where it's okay with a rule exception based on common sense. If you cannot believe and refuse to believe there is any situation where this term might be appropriate, then I believe there is no good in us having further discussion here. Perhaps other Heralds will wish to weigh in, but at this time I think I will simply have to disagree and, ultimately, leave you disappointed. Since you asked for an example, however, it would be entirely reasonable to say that Gemstone skins are designed to appeal to whales. In this context that is not at all insulting, and simply is a way to explain that those skins lines are designed to be appealing to players who spend more money at the game. That statement does not disparage those individuals in any way.
I do not feel that would be an acceptable thing. It is segmenting the League of Legends community based solely on the fact that someone spends. At a minimum, it has absolutely no discussion value. If they want to say "they are designed to appeal to those who spend a lot of money", they can say that. By permitting them to be called "whales" (which is also used to refer to fat people and as an insult), it is not fostering civil discussion. I respect that you may disagree and that's fine.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=c35HejzK,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T23:17:17.998+0000) > > 1. Obesity is a health issue. > > 2. This is the League of Legends discussion boards, of which people who spend money are a part of. This is not a board in which discussion of weight is appropriate at all. Thanks, I deleted my comment, I don't want to get banned from the forums.
I'm not sure you comment would've violated any rules, I was merely trying to point out why the discussion of weight on, say, someone's instagram page is different than attempting to discredit the opinions of people because they spend money by insulting them calling them "whales".
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=c35HejzK,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-23T22:58:05.281+0000)Something being commonly used should not be a reason to not ban something that is used solely and completely in a certain context to disparage and insult others. Let me rephrase then: it is actually a descriptive and accepted term when discussing monetization methods. It has to do with an outsized spending amount compared to other individuals, and that's it. It is not actually used to disparage or insult others unless individuals are specifically using it that way malevolently. All it is otherwise is industry shorthand for a big spender.
The only context in which bringing up players who are "whales" on the boards would be used is when it is used as an attempt to disparage. I cannot see and refuse to believe there *is* an acceptable discussion where League players would be grouped into "whales" and "not whales" unless you can provide an example of one where it would be acceptable. Even if a rare case where it is appropriate *does* exist, in my opinion it is much better to simply have a blanket ban and deal with the rare case where it's okay with a rule exception based on common sense.
REKLU53 (NA)
: Permabanned TWICE because of TROLLS...
You were permanently banned twice because you refuse to follow the rules. The rules do not say "it's okay to flame if someone else is feeding/AFK/trolling/etc". The rules say "it's not okay to flame".
: ***
1. Obesity is a health issue. 2. This is the League of Legends discussion boards, of which people who spend money are a part of. This is not a board in which discussion of weight is appropriate at all.
: Calling it hate speech is a bit much. We're talking about spending practices here, not something like sexual orientation, ethnicity, or mental disability. It's an insulting and disparaging term, no doubt about that, but it doesn't constitute hate speech. Personally, I think there can still be at least some valid reference to "whales" even despite the insulting nature of the term, but I also feel like we need a different term for it altogether - one that's not subject to the euphemism treadmill. The problem with that, though, is that it's hard _not_ to create negative terminology to refer to someone who openly spends in potential excess. The lightest term I can think of is "spendthrift", and even that is a touch insulting. Maybe "leisure-spender"? I dunno. At the end of the day, while I understand why you don't think it should be allowed, and even agree with you to a point, I think those other use cases I mentioned are something of a bullet we have to bite.
Where should the line be drawn between classes that are "protected" enough? If we are to have freedom of choice, but we permit people to be harassed, demeaned, and insulted based on their choices, is it true freedom of choice? There is absolutely no reason that discussing spending in excess should be permitted on the boards. If people are spending money on League through their own choices, **it's their choice, and they should not be permitted to be harassed or insulted for it**. It does not matter you disagree with their choice to spend - it's their choice, not yours.
: The term is fairly standard in the microtransaction industry, and I can't see us banning it as a result. If used to obviously disparage someone that's a different situation we'll handle as the circumstance dictates.
Something being commonly used should not be a reason to not ban something that is used solely and completely in a certain context to disparage and insult others. Nor should it have to be a specific person or "obvious" to remove. Part of civil discussion is not alienating entire classes of opinion/person with an insulting, disparaging term.
: > I do not believe the term should be allowed at all. Those who spend a lot of money on video games are not a protected class, and referring to "whales" in a non-insulting manner should not be a problem. This isn't hate speech. I think you're stretching here, rujitra.
I am not suggesting discussion of the animal be prohibited. And I am not saying it *is* hate speech, I am saying that it meets the definition of it. Who gets to define what classes are "protected"?
: AFAIK; directly insulting people by calling them "whales" is against the rules, however there are use cases that are borderline (such as making indirect comments about "whales", such as "whales influence Riot's commercial behavior"), and there's also what I believe to be an acceptable usage case, which is discussing pricing and the like with mention or reference to "whales". I could almost certainly be wrong on the latter two examples, but I do think that it's one of those things that, while disparaging and insulting to a degree, has some valid use cases and would be moderated on such a basis.
I do not believe the term should be allowed at all. When you are discussing pricing or Riot's behavior and reference "whales", it is an attempt to disparage and demean people who choose to buy Riot's products. There is absolutely no context in which calling a group of players "whales" would be not an insulting, demeaning, disparaging, and quite frankly borderline discriminatory term (unless, I guess, there were *actual* blue whales playing League. But I doubt that). Like, when you look at it, the word is used to cordon off a group of players for a characteristic (namely that they have money to spend and choose to spend it), and is then used to disparage them. That is the definition of hate speech (if you accept the general definition that it only need be a "non-negative characteristic" and not something specifically limited to sex/race/etc.
: its not an Emergency. and he can say no or wait 10 minutes.
If my family member falls and breaks their arm, I am taking care of them until they get medical attention (or taking them to get medical care myself). If my job calls me and says "someone called in sick, can you please come in asap", I'm going to work. Because part of my job is helping, and not valuing a video game over my coworkers not being swamped with work.
Rioter Comments
: LEAGUE WAS THE 2ND HIGHEST GROSSING PC GAME IN JULY
"I insult people by calling them whales when I don't like the fact that they manage their finances and life well enough to spend money on things they enjoy". Great post bro.
: STOP HANDICAPPING PLAYERS. It is completely unfair. PLEASE fix this riot.
>I dug further and found out that Riot gives players an ID and based off of that ID your pick order is determined. No you didn't, because that's not how it works. Period. Full stop. End of discussion. Pick order is randomized in each game.
: that's my point of posting this, sorry if I didn't make it clear. The games all about toxic-free gameplay till you have one person get the whole game to report you to cause you're playing bad then you get banned there's no system.
I understand the confusion, but I believe their attempt with the autoresponse was to be humorous. There are multiple confirmations from Riot employees that number of reports does not matter for punishment.
: > [{quoted}](name=XXXTESTICLE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4i5JRwms,comment-id=00000000000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T19:36:54.282+0000) > > Lmao, that was the pre-written message from riot, so i guess i just blew your mind. Not really, although I'd be interested to see the screenshot, as to my knowledge on the topic that is not a prewritten part of ANY message Riot sends.
It is part of the Blitzcrank Bot auto response now.
: what I'm saying is you haven't seen the other half of this and if you did your opinion would be different. maybe riot should send the full-text log instead of your own, from this perspective I look like the bad person, but in reiltiy, I was being berated by the other people in the game because i had never played the champ before.
It wouldn't though. While the full logs may give us the opinion that someone else deserved punishment as well, it is not a "one or the other" situation. It is fully possible that both you and someone else deserved punishment.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wv64lhpW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:02:59.667+0000) > > So... you're going to scream unless they give you everything free. Nope. As I explained in another thread, the system itself is fine, just extra personal progression, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm gonna go through it (I barely even care about Mastery ranks). It's worrying that they ignored the overwhleming majority of feedback on the right call when the whole implementation is the issue people have with. It's also worrying they spent 6 months on this just to slowly become a mobile game-level of content. It goes as deep as to not giving players an option to completely not see them, forcing it down their throats when you can mute and hide everything else like emotes. You think I might be exaggerating, and that might be true, but there's a reason for that. Games usually start nice in terms of content for a free to play game, hooking up players, and then over the years they start scummy practices to sell content and spending resources on that while it could have been spent on something to actually make the game better or on more optional cosmetics like map skins, announcer packs and so on, as many players already suggested. So we say "it's just achievements, no one cares about those", and that's right, but accepting them we're showing Rito-Tencent that we're gonna swallow every bullshit move they throw at us, and it's gonna start a trend. You'll see more and more added content that are basically part of the game, behind a paywall, when it should be part of the game, and not just some cosmetics like skins.
> [{quoted}](name=Ðeviruchi,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wv64lhpW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:45:41.486+0000) > > Nope. As I explained in another thread, the system itself is fine, just extra personal progression, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'm gonna go through it (I barely even care about Mastery ranks). It's worrying that they ignored the overwhleming majority of feedback on the right call when the whole implementation is the issue people have with. It's also worrying they spent 6 months on this just to slowly become a mobile game-level of content. It goes as deep as to not giving players an option to completely not see them, forcing it down their throats when you can mute and hide everything else like emotes. > > You think I might be exaggerating, and that might be true, but there's a reason for that. Games usually start nice in terms of content for a free to play game, hooking up players, and then over the years they start scummy practices to sell content and spending resources on that while it could have been spent on something to actually make the game better. So we say "it's just achievements, no one cares about those", and that's right, but accepting them we're showing Rito-Tencent that we're gonna swallow every bullshit move they throw at us, and it's gonna start a trend. You'll see more and more added content that are basically part of the game, behind a paywall, when it should be part of the game, and not just some cosmetics like skins. They literally completely changed the system. No, they aren't going to give it away for free just because an "overwhelming majority" want it free. Also, it's not an overwhelming majority - it's an extremely vocal and toxic minority on the boards/reddit that is against this.
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wv64lhpW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:02:59.667+0000) > > So... you're going to scream unless they give you everything free. Keep in mind all those stats WERE FREE on the old client.
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=wv64lhpW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-23T16:25:08.614+0000) > > Keep in mind all those stats WERE FREE on the old client. Stats such as "number of sweet spots hit as Aatrox" were never included in League. Stats such as kills, etc. are still free to access, but you do not get the cosmetics or additional tracking.
: "We’re delaying the launch of Eternals and are making adjustments based on your feedback"
So... you're going to scream unless they give you everything free.
: Is there a reason Riot doesn't listen to their player base anymore?
Because of threads like this where players don't voice any logic or actual data and evidence to support the things they want Riot to "listen" to.
: nAmINg AnD sHaMInG BAD
I've seen the moderators remove posts that attempt to encourage people to look at your profile to find names. There is a line. And yes, thousands of people would be harassing those **PLAYERS** - with **NO ACTUAL PROOF** that they did anything wrong. There's a reason that news outlets must call everyone "alleged" or "charged" in news stories - people who have not been **convicted** of a crime should not be permitted to be harassed.
: Riot Needs a Rework!
You say all these things, but my experience is literally exactly the opposite. You can get Riot to listen by **stopping this sensationalism and anecdotal "evidence"** and actually **using data** to form logical requests of Riot about the game. Lastly, Riot is not going to be able to please everyone. There were a ton of complaints when it didn't matter how well you worked as a team, one player on one champion could carry the entirety of the game for their team, no matter what any other lane/champion did. That was a shitty state of the game. If the only time you can have fun is in that sort of instance, please feel free to go find another game of playing. And no, "most kills before 20 minutes" doesn't correlate to win percent in a statistically significant way.
Stratixx (NA)
: I remember the tip in loading screen from legends where it said you can flame your team and enemy team as long as you don’t use racial slurs. I don’t really know why people like him/her are getting banned, while I have teammates who are running down lane and literally inting (not players who are trying but play bad). This ban system does more bad than help. Riot doesn’t need to ban anybody who abuses chat, because they have given the player a choice for a mute button. (Exception of spam) The report system should only be for those who are hacking, inting, griefing, or who are trolling teammates (aka Anivia wall, ryze ult, bard ult, etc.) The worst part is that the banning system is automatic, so you can be banned if 2 or more people reported you just because you had a bad game. The players have all the power, the mute button. You can mute emotes You can mute pings You can mute text Riot has no need to ban for flaming.
There has **NEVER** been a tip that said "flaming" is okay. Period. There **is** a tip that references "competitive BSing". Competitive BSing is things like "lol nice flash" when someone wastes it. Not flaming. Period. Secondly, no, you are not banned if 2 or more people reported you - that's not how it works period.
SiLQqNCE (NA)
: So many people in blind que are so stubborn
1. There is no role assignment in blind pick. 2. Nobody has to give you your desired role, nor do you have to give them theirs. 3. There is no meta enforced in blind pick - if all 5 people want to play support, they are permitted to. 4. What shows on your screen as "first" may very well not be shown as first on others' screens because of the fact that your message (and theirs) has to go to the server and out to all other players. 5. If you want role assignments, play draft.
: YoU cAnT cAlL pEoPlE tRaSh
If you don't want to be matched with trash, stop playing at the same skill level as the trash. I climbed on an account that was placed in Iron III this season (one of my smurfs) to Silver 1 (when I stopped caring and just went back to my main) in two weeks. Two weeks. With 3-4 games per day at most. It's not hard. You will climb if you deserve to.
: "You did not have useful chat at any point in that log." Yeah, totally. Diana is broKayn: any1 swap? Diana is broKayn: i dont have supp Diana is broKayn: ok That is pure flame from the beginning. Diana is broKayn: mid need help itself That lane is a response to Zil that asked me to roam to help him with Camille, I couldn't cuz I needed help myself, Ekko was aggressive. But yeah it's an auto-flame xD I actually wonder if you have even read my log. I haven't say much because I didn't felt a need for saying much, like what could I say to 2/7 Zil? "Your doing a great job! Keep it up" ???? What I can remember there is no rule that would say "You are obligated to say gg and wp in chat 24h". My top was losing hard, I couldn't roam - end of story. The rest was left to our jungler, but I didn't flame him, it was his job to secure top. He didn't accomplish that, but I didn't flame. If I would be a flamer it would make more sense to flame 2/7 Zilean and jungler, but I didn't. I didn't say anything because I didn't felt a need for it, I just calmly dealt with the fact that top will feed and I focused on my lane. ---------- Another stupid statement is "It does not matter what they did when we are discussing YOUR punishment based on YOUR behavior". Action creates reaction - ever heard this quote? Imagine that someone attacked you on street to steal your wallet, in self defense you have punched him and accidentally killed him. Now imagine that some guy at court says "It doesn't matter that you were just defensing yourself from act of robbery, you go to jail for 10 years for killing a person that is not innocent (in fact he committed a crime) but yanno... who cares, electric chair for you mister". To make this example more funny the whole society has grouped to defense you and suspects say that it was an act of self defense and you did well, but still.... the judge says "oh it doesn't matter". That's my situation right now. The action of Zil feeding did not make me flame. The action of Vayne intentionally loosing made me "flame". And I'm saying "flame"' because telling someone to uninstall the fucking game if he openly admits he doesn't care anymore is not a flame in my eyes. Or maybe adding a word "fucking" is the crime I did here?? -------------- "It does not matter that three others "noted that [you] did a good job" - If it doesn't matter as you said it, what's the point of honor system then? What's the point of collecting the honors if at the end of the day it doesn't matter? Am I the only one who sees a lack of logic here? Why would Riot introduce a system and then openly admit that it doesn't do anything, that it doesn't matter. Guys decide, or the honor matters or remove it. One or the other. I feel cheated now, because I was told that the honor does something. "If 4 people are all flaming 1 person, that does not make it okay." - Wrong! This should be "If 4 people are all flaming 1 person, that violated the rules as the first person in the team by throwing a game, it makes it justified". Remember, action results in reaction. What would be your idea then to solve this problem. You committed yourself for 30 minutes to win the game, just as the rest of the team did... except that one person that in the middle of everything just said "ohh you know what, fuck it and actually instead of going afk and letting you 4v5, I will actually int and by doing that violate the rules, which later i will not get punished for". What's your solution here? I'd say just start punish inters or let the team kick out a troll the way it's done in their games. Punishing the victim here is not a solution imo. ---------- "your passive aggressive" - What? You just made this up or something? How can I be aggressive and at the same time passive? You either are passive (do nothing/ neutral) or aggressive (commit an action). You can't be both. Also that is your subjective opinion. You don't know the story, you have not been in that game, you have not seen what others said, you have no right here whatsoever to dictate who is the aggressive and who is not. I'd prefer my team and enemy team to judge whether I did good or bad because they were the witnesses there, they saw my actions, my responses, they saw what I did and therefore it's logical to rely on their opinion.... ...oh wait, you just said that what they think doesn't matter. Obviously it doesn't because they totally have not witnessed the whole situation, but hey, there is some random from the internet who perfectly knows whether I was passive-aggressive (xD what a joke) or not. Man I have to ask, are you serious about what you just said, or maybe your just playing with me? --------- Also telling someone to delete the fucking game if he doesn't care about it, when he just said that is not flaming. Also telling that someone threw a game when he threw it is not flaming. Also I should get a chat restrict first or at least a warning. Also the opinion of enemy team and my team **matters** whether you like it or not. They witnessed the game, **not you**. You don't even know what others said, you don't know others did, you know nothing. How can you judge what happened by only reading 20 line? The guy said he doesn't care, I told him to leave then and delete game if he doesn't care. That is not flaming. There is no guilt in my words. ----- What does it change, the fact that it's a smurf acc? Where does it say in rules that smurfs bypass other laws? Following that logic if I have honor 5 on my main, I want a honor 5 as well on all my smurf accounts, because if I have honor 5 on my main that means that I was a good player and I should get that automatically on all accounts. ---------- Just to sum up our conversation so far: 1. What others think about my performance doesn't matter. The idea of honor in the game serves no purpose. 2. It doesn't matter what other who witnessed thinks about my actions, the random from the internet knows better. 3. No one bypasses the law and equal rules apply to all players, except the smurf accounts. 4. It doesn't matter what other people are doing. Remember when you get stabbed with a knife by some thug - do not do anything, you might do some harm to him and then you'll have to answer to court charges. Just let him kill you peacefully. 5. Telling to someone to go afk when he admits he doesn't care about the game is flame. Period. Do not ever ask on chat if someone had a good day. He might have had a bad day and asking him that is counted as flame, if that ever occurs prepare yourself for permaban.
Absolutely none of that is anything that I have said. Please feel free to make another thread when you are willing to accept you were wrong in your actions and wholly at fault for your actions. Until such time, this thread is pointless.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HQmjev3h,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T19:12:19.402+0000) > > So.. it's gone from IP bans (which everyone knows is unworkable and not viable) to this next buzzword of "mac address bans" which also don't work for the same reasons. > > Furthermore, other games *do* let this happen. Have you ever played Overwatch, DOTA, hell, any other game? AFKs happen because, simply put, **shit happens in life**. Ip bans are useless because you can change your ip instantly. Mac address Is direct with hardware, ban the computer. Not perfect because you can get a new PC but thats expensive. I accept afks are a thing, I'm not saying first offense ban em, but when you let your Community get toxic enough they can do anything they want as long as it's not racist is a problem. I've played hours of the other games I can go fo overwatch and play 15-20 games with maybe 1 or unlucky 2 afks. I play 15-20 here I will get 10-15 afks. Again it wouldn't be perfect system but it would help... overwatch, dota , csgo, and most other esport games actually perma bans casual and ranked players.
> [{quoted}](name=Sahdesniper,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HQmjev3h,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T19:30:45.169+0000) > > Ip bans are useless because you can change your ip instantly. Mac address Is direct with hardware, ban the computer. Not perfect because you can get a new PC but thats expensive. I accept afks are a thing, I'm not saying first offense ban em, but when you let your Community get toxic enough they can do anything they want as long as it's not racist is a problem. I've played hours of the other games I can go fo overwatch and play 15-20 games with maybe 1 or unlucky 2 afks. I play 15-20 here I will get 10-15 afks. Again it wouldn't be perfect system but it would help... overwatch, dota , csgo, and most other esport games actually perma bans casual and ranked players. MAC addresses can be changed or spoofed just like how IP addresses can. And no, you are not having AFKs in over 50% of your games. Please keep in mind that match history is public data.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YRaA7p8Y,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T19:09:52.853+0000) > > This is incorrect. > > When Riot implemented anti-smurf in Clash, they specifically stated that you are permitted to use one and only one account for Clash. If OP used the number on another account and cannot play clash on that account, then using an alternative number for a separate account is not acceptable. It has to do with phone numbers verified to the account I believe. So if you had an account with a verified phone number get banned or otherwise compromised, you can use another account. You just have to use only a single account for Clash. If the old account is no longer in use, then using a new account is still only using *one* account.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YRaA7p8Y,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T19:13:00.302+0000) > > It has to do with phone numbers verified to the account I believe. So if you had an account with a verified phone number get banned or otherwise compromised, you can use another account. You just have to use only a single account for Clash. If the old account is no longer in use, then using a new account is still only using *one* account. No, because players who were banned were not permitted to play Clash. They can appeal to Riot to *transfer* the Clash privileges to a new account, but just as it's not permitted to utilize an account that's honor 2 in lieu of your main account that is honor 0/1 for Clash, it is not acceptable for someone to use a different account because it was banned.
: Perma ban ranked afks by mac address (rage rant)
So.. it's gone from IP bans (which everyone knows is unworkable and not viable) to this next buzzword of "mac address bans" which also don't work for the same reasons. Furthermore, other games *do* let this happen. Have you ever played Overwatch, DOTA, hell, any other game? AFKs happen because, simply put, **shit happens in life**.
: Yeah you can use another one. You just need to have a verified phone number for clash. This is to at least *limit* the number of smurfs and boosters. Obviously it won't eliminate the more determined people, but the vast majority will just be doing it for shits and giggles and it will dissuade them.
> [{quoted}](name=Laughing Fish,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=YRaA7p8Y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:08:43.112+0000) > > Yeah you can use another one. You just need to have a verified phone number for clash. This is to at least *limit* the number of smurfs and boosters. Obviously it won't eliminate the more determined people, but the vast majority will just be doing it for shits and giggles and it will dissuade them. This is incorrect. When Riot implemented anti-smurf in Clash, they specifically stated that you are permitted to use one and only one account for Clash. If OP used the number on another account and cannot play clash on that account, then using an alternative number for a separate account is not acceptable.
: Lol? What you mean "You flamed someone all game long"?? 20 lines of text in last 5 minutes of the game is not flaming all game long. Note that I told him to delete the game just **after** he said that he doesn't care. "It doesn't matter what they did or who the "majority" is" xD I haven't heard a more stupid thing in a while now. What do you mean by "It doesn't matter what they did"????, so it's cool to troll and do whatever you want because it doesn't matter? Right? Therefore I can use the same argument here and say "if it doesn't matter what people are doing, then it doesn't matter what I said in the chat". Also the "argument" about majority is extremely stupid. 3 people from my team noted that I did a good job and rewarded me for that, they also noted that the 4th teammate is trolling and they reported him for that... guess what? It doesn't matter because for Riot (for some reason) your observation is false and in their eyes trolling Vayne did no bad thing (although all players that actively took part in the game agreed on that), but the Diana that did his best to win the game is the one to blame here because again, although his efforts were rewarded by all players actively playing.... he is just getting punished. Period. This doesn't make sense. Also what rules have I broken? Telling the guy that says "he doesn't care" to uninstall if he doesn't care? How am I going to live with such sin.... Also note that it's not just me that says the guy was intentionally losing, he said that **himself**, like please, PLEASE, explain to me how is that not taken into consideration? He just openly admitted that he intentionally broke the rules that your just spoke about. If I don't get to break the rules, then so does he. ALSO, I'm not saying "unban me", I'm saying: "Why I did get no chat restrict before I got ban" and "why Vayne did not receive penalty".
Your entire log = all game long. You did not have useful chat at any point in that log. And no, your punishment relates **none** to the behavior of others. I made no comment that said "it's cool to troll". It does not matter what they did when we are discussing **YOUR** punishment based on **YOUR** behavior. It does not matter that three others "noted that [you] did a good job". You violated the rules. If 4 people are all flaming 1 person, that does not make it okay. You should review the Summoner's Code because your passive aggressive and flaming behavior is very obviously against the rules. You will note the rules don't say "don't flame, unless someone admits to trolling". The rules say "don't flame". Period. Full stop. The likely reason you skipped chat restrictions is that this account is obviously the returning or "smurf" account of another account, meaning you know the rules.
: Who deserves suspension here?
You flamed someone all game long. It doesn't matter what they did or who the "majority" is. You don't get to break the rules.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mAMHg0Ky,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-20T20:30:43.572+0000) > > Why should people who play other game modes have to deal with trolls? Trolls are currently banned from the game entirely when it is confirmed they are trolling. Because banning people altogether takes a while and it can cause backlash on the game, what I'm proposing is a ban that could take effect quickly and would save people in ranked from dealing with these people, its fine is they mess around in norms because that's what norms is for.
> [{quoted}](name=Lady Yubaba,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=mAMHg0Ky,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T17:50:42.819+0000) > > Because banning people altogether takes a while and it can cause backlash on the game, what I'm proposing is a ban that could take effect quickly and would save people in ranked from dealing with these people, its fine is they mess around in norms because that's what norms is for. But if there is evidence to ban them, why not just ban them from all modes?
: The First game when I started going at it with Pantheon. He was constantly making solo plays and dying and pinging everybody on our team. He continued to flame, and when the game was literally about to end I started saying the you should go to normals and not feed in ranked. The game was already over so the report for negative and giving up should not be a real thing. The game was over they were hitting out nexus. I don't understand the system sometimes. I understand that every system is not perfect, but if a player is spam pinging and pretty much giving up and making solo plays. While the game is over we still bicker and I get punished?
It does not matter who started it. This is intentional. The rules do not say it's okay when someone else starts it. The rules state that this sort of behavior isn't okay, ever.
Lycangel (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=G5EcOiMV,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:12:41.708+0000) > > Why can't you report it under negative attitude, which is what it is? Its my understanding that "Negative Attitude" Consist of Griefing, Giving up. It might fall under the "Verbal Abuse" category but I am not sure. Is it verbal abuse to tell someone you don't like their champion and complain about that aspect? I do not know.
> [{quoted}](name=Lycangel,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=G5EcOiMV,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-22T03:39:37.448+0000) > > Its my understanding that "Negative Attitude" Consist of Griefing, Giving up. It might fall under the "Verbal Abuse" category but I am not sure. Is it verbal abuse to tell someone you don't like their champion and complain about that aspect? I do not know. Negative attitude encompasses all negative attitude, not just the limited examples.
Lycangel (NA)
: Unpopular Opinion: Champion Whining Ban
Why can't you report it under negative attitude, which is what it is?
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Credit card companies have similar limitations for filing a charge back. Data is not kept forever.
Achad44 (NA)
: ok here is an example player 1 start feeding player 2 says fuck you noob .... player 2 got baned good bye riot
Because being bad, losing lane, etc. are not against the rules.
Achad44 (NA)
: can't you ban only my chatbox? just let me play
Riot has tried this. They found (logically) that people unwilling to follow chat rules are unwilling to follow gameplay rules either. Thus, they will remove you from the game. You will not get any further warnings. Any further misbehavior in chat will result in permanent suspension of your account.
Achad44 (NA)
: Game 1 In-Game Achad44: good ? Achad44: b Achad44: u ask us ? Achad44: lol Achad44: ok Achad44: fuck you Achad44: ok fuck off noobs Achad44: u are so bad Achad44: FF Achad44: brain Achad44: srsly you are stupid as d1ck Achad44: fuck you all Achad44: just 500 dmg on hit ? Achad44: why moron ? Achad44: lol Achad44: fuck off Achad44: win my a55 Achad44: i said fuck off Achad44: you can't win Achad44: bcz you are too stupid Achad44: FF pls Achad44: you will be bronze 4ever Achad44: why don't you go all 5 mid and finish this bullshit ? Achad44: fuck off kid Achad44: i don't have to for this Achad44: we can lose in 15 minutes and in 40 minutes Achad44: you fucking waste of time Achad44: says who Achad44: thatnks to r%%%%%s like you i never win Achad44: stupid kidz Game 2 In-Game Achad44: i give up Achad44: surrender pls Achad44: we just lost Achad44: just wait 5 more minutes to surrender Achad44: look it's 3v12 Achad44: FF Achad44: dude calm dawn Achad44: can't you see we can't win Achad44: just go 5 mid and finish this pls Achad44: chill man i am only lvl 4 Achad44: lol i yi q and i am dead Achad44: and you keep feeding Achad44: pls guys go all mid and finish this bullzh1t Achad44: this bronze is worse then blind pick Achad44: no Achad44: i am here Achad44: i just give up Achad44: lol i am 4 lvl Achad44: waiting 15 for surrender Achad44: whateva Achad44: lol funny kidz Achad44: can't you finish us pls ? Achad44: told ya Post-Game Achad44: report lux for leaving Game 3 Pre-Game Achad44: we are losing this In-Game Achad44: surrender at 15 ? Achad44: see Achad44: we are losing Achad44: so stupid move Achad44: lol look at our cs Achad44: nice ? Achad44: just surrender Achad44: no need Achad44: i am bad player Achad44: and i am here to lose Achad44: going to bronze 4 Achad44: shut up Achad44: vote yes Achad44: lol Achad44: fuck off Achad44: waste of time Achad44: FF Achad44: no Achad44: np, thanks for wining, i wanna go bronze 4 Achad44: ok go baron then finish us Achad44: gg ez . this happen almost every single match if some1 doesn't like to read what i write he can simply mute/ignore me it's just a text p.s. you can't prevent ppl being toxic and raged by simply baning them LOOOOL
No. The mute feature is not an excuse for you to violate the rules. Please keep in mind that the next punishment will be a permanent ban of your account with no transfer/refund of bought content.
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