: He left out "%%%%%%" and "sweaty %%%%%%" though so hes still a casual when it comes to toxicity.
"negro" and "sweaty mexican" since the liberal website censors me.
: So you've called people "retarded" as well as other things that got censored. You even referred to "kys" while intentionally trying to avoid the detection. What the hell were you expecting to happen? It's like you were trying to hit every single zero-tolerance term.
He left out "%%%%%%" and "sweaty %%%%%%" though so hes still a casual when it comes to toxicity.
: > [{quoted}](name=swindsurfer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kxJncOX2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-20T21:55:23.489+0000) > ><removed by moderation> :D > Just make a new account and troll like I do. D: http://imgur.com/bS5h2L8
Yeah I know trolling makes me a piece of shit, and not fair to the innocent players involved, but I try to be living proof that banning people for chat only increases toxicity, doesn't fix it. Riot actually thinks people are gunna lose an account they had for 3 years due to permaban, and make a new account and redo all that progress, when I make a new account I play with nothing to lose which only makes me 10x worse.
SonicAF (EUW)
: I mean that people do not necessarily display that emotion in chat, they just mute and report people, but your post applies to them. It's basically "grow a thicker skin", which is often said by punished players in their posts.
Yeah I know, I can't believe how ironic this post is. Rules only apply when it fits their narrative I guess .
: You don't have a choice in the matter. It's not your account, Riot will do as they please with it, you don't even have a say in the matter. You can be toxic 1000x for all we care, and you'll lose your account faster each time you make one. Riot is in control here. You're only permitted to play League. For now. And enjoy Riot's account while it last. Because that path you think you have control in, well you're not going to be able to use that account anymore. Because once a child, forever a child, and the child you will be treated like. I just ended this conversation. You're welcome. I will not read nor reply to your next response that you'll desperately need me to read. Sorry. Good day and good riddance.
Can see I struck a nerve, ban me all you want I'll always be 1 new email away. Feel free to add "TooManyPermabans" and we can duo before I get this new account of mine banned.
: You should remember that. "if you treat people like shit, you deserve to be treated like shit in retaliation, no matter what bullshit rules are in place." So in your standards that would include if you treat Riot's Policy like shit, then Riot deserve to treat you like shit. That means fair game. But if you keep that attitude up and continue to act on it, then Riot will eventually take your account completely away. No one bends to your standards. You only bend to Riot's standards and you will abide it. Because regardless you want to or not, You will either be quiet in the chat and play the game like you're supposed to or you're going to be positive. Either way, you're going to obey it.
"if you treat Riot's Policy like shit" Is a policy a tangible object or a living being? How does one treat a policy like shit? Me ignoring riots rules isn't treating them like shit... its just me ignoring the rules, no need to change the wording to fit your argument. So no Riot doesn't get to treat me like shit, they get to ban me. "No one bends to your standards. You only bend to Riot's standards and you will abide it." Yes I am aware, we all abide by the liberal standards put forth by Riot and to dislike these amazing rules put in place is blasphemy. That's the whole fucking point of my comment, their rules are dog shit and only they have to power to change them. "You will either be quiet in the chat and play the game like you're supposed to or you're going to be positive. Either way, you're going to obey it." I will not be quiet in chat, and I will not play the game how you or Riot deem I am supposed to. Since my main account has been permabanned, the only time I even play this game is to terrorize and troll as many games as possible because you have a serious disability if you think Riot gets to permaban my account I had for multiple years and believe that I am going come back on a new account and not only redo all that progress that was stripped from me, but do so with a smile? Absolutely not, you may have banned me for verbal abuse, but I will come back 10x more toxic than before with the intent of ruining games.
: Your arguments actually make no sense. If a kid is getting into a video game, they shouldn't be "prepared" to play a game that has people verbally assaulting them. It doesn't matter if 12-13 year olds get pregnant, you're generalizing the entire age group by saying that since a couple kids decide to make the unwise decision of unprotected sex, that all 12-13 year olds are therefore careless and should therefore not be babied. Censor yes, but it doesn't censor words like "You're useless garbage." Which generally no one wants to hear when they're playing a video game. And if you can't handle it, get off it? LoL isn't a game meant for people to verbally abuse others, it's a game where you break another team's defenses. The game never was meant for toxicity.
"If a kid is getting into a video game, they shouldn't be "prepared" to play a game that has people verbally assaulting them." You say this as if verbal assault is a big fucking deal, I'd swear we were debating about rape, murder, or something actually serious from your wording, but then I remember we're talking about harmless trash talk. It's a petty "crime" if you even want to call it a crime. Stop making it sound like this is some felony act taking place that needs serious consequences. My pregnancy example was just a random example that 12-13 year olds have dealt with far more mature issues than trash talk. Whether its pregnancy, fist fights, whatever. Obviously not every 12-13 year old gets fucked, it was an attempt to show perspective. And even if they are 3 years old or 5 years old it doesn't fucking matter, the game shouldn't cater to the diaper squad. "And if you can't handle it, get off it? LoL isn't a game meant for people to verbally abuse others, it's a game where you break another team's defenses." I never said I couldn't handle it, and I don't have to get off, the permabans do that for me. I haven't been active on league ever since my main account got permabanned. I only occasionally play to troll low level players, not gunna waste time taking a new account serious when it can be stripped from me at any moment. The problem is this game tries to turn an online community into a family where we all respect each other and care about each others feelings. Not sure how young you are but I grew up in the call of duty 4 era where racial slurs were more common than game strategy's over the headset. This new era of chat censoring is really lame to people who have come from other games that don't give a shit what you say.
: Yeah except that the person flaming has a clear indication that what he/she is doing is not acceptable in the League Community. There are chat restrictions, game suspensions, and a rulebook that clearing indicates verbal assault as unacceptable. There are many warnings and indications before getting an account permanently suspended that your behavior is unacceptable. Permabans happen cause you refuse to follow the rules and guidelines set out by this company, therefore they ban you from playing their game. If you really cared about the money you spent, you should not have broken the rules.
I never made the claim that the rules are unclear, my claim is that the rules are trash. But there have been many times I've left a game wondering if my chat was bad enough for a punishment. Sometimes I don't get banned when I was expecting one, and sometimes I get banned when I thought my chat was acceptable. So its really not exactly clear when you are borderline toxic. Some words are obvious trigger words, but sometimes you really don't know which sentences get you in trouble more than others.
: No, we aren't acting like they are similar, they are a VALID comparison. Any comparison that either mentions a defense mechanism that protects, but is not there as a reason for its existence works. In this case, the use of kevlar is that it protects against gunshots, however that does not mean that since kevlar exists, shooting people is okay. Just like how because there is a defense against toxicity, AKA mute, does not mean that toxicity therefore is okay to exist. With the robbery issue, for example, it compares the penny stealing act, to a much larger crime and shows the similarities between the two, the taking of something that isn't yours nor do you have any reason to have a claim on it. Obviously the scale isn't the same as you're going to most likely go to jail for robbery while you get a time out for that penny steal. However it shows why something as small as stealing 1 cent is still bad. Much like the comparison made between mute and kevlar.
I was never stating that you cannot make the comparison, I was just saying I believe its a stupid one. I used the word valid in place of "smart" which is what I should have used. The main reason I believe it is stupid is that the scale of the "crime" matters to me. Yes, as you mentioned you can draw parallels between examples no matter the size of the "crime". I believe murder should be punished, I believe toxicity online should not. So in this case, for me, the scale of the crime makes one act punishable while the other one should not be. So when he was drawing parallels earlier as if both should be punished despite the difference in scale is where I have to disagree. This leads into my key disagreement. There is also a difference between what is "right" and what should be punished. Taking the penny is ethically wrong to me, but its so petty I wouldn't consider it punish worthy. I consider online toxicity to be the same level of petty where its not exactly ideal behavior, but I don't believe people should be getting banned/losing accounts,money, and time over it either.
: Right, so no form of chat should be bannable. So if I constantly tell you to end yourself and that you're a horrible human being that is wasting the precious resources of this Earth and that everyone around you would consider it a favor if you off'ed yourself, as well as constantly calling you a gay f** that honestly contributes to nothing in society, you think that this kind of speech, is okay, for potentially 12-13 year olds to hear?
Yes, if they can't handle it either get off the game or grow up early. I've seen 12-13 year olds get pregnant. If people of that age can have unprotected sex I don't see why we need to baby them over the internet from offensive speech. If the parent is that concerned they should monitor the games their kids play. Also i'm pretty sure leagues default settings censor most curse words and all chat disabled, so those are two more steps to protect kids from the real world.
: In a sense, it is, you're comparing a smaller scale thing to a large scale event. That's exactly what a comparison is lmao. It shows you what the similarities are between the two and thus why you shouldn't do it lmao. JUST LIKE THIS COMPARISON!
The point I was making is that the smaller scale thing should not be as big of a deal as the large scale event. Why punish people for such petty bullshit and compare it to actual large scale issues? It's like hes trying to validate his issue by comparing it to real problems. "You shouldn't need ground to air missiles to stop nuclear war just like you shouldn't need to mute people in a video game" What a brilliant fucking comparison, you guys are right the scale of the issue shouldn't matter, just compare whatever the fuck we want and just act like they're actually similar.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: so a comparison is only valid when you say it is gotcha! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Yes that's how opinions works, what is valid to you might not be valid to me and vice versa.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: well too bad that what you believe doesn't matter then {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Yes, thank you captain obvious, I am not in charge of Riots ban system so I cannot implement the system that I would want. Indeed my beliefs do not matter in this situation without said power.
Kei143 (NA)
: It's smarter than you think, unless you are using zero tolerance phrases. But believe whatever you please. It's the internet afterall and you are free to believe anything you want.
I'm not denying that, it is about as good as it can be for what it is, but to say it understands context is a bit much. Most humans are too stupid to understand context, let alone the program they created.
: I don't think you understand what a comparison is. It's when you compare two different things, to explain one thing in a different light, one that is more understandable.
I understand what a comparison is, I was pointing out that it was a terrible one. He explained two different things that have completely different contexts, and tried to tie them together as if they were similar. Kind of like how stealing a penny off your parents dresser is comparable to robbing a bank. But hey that's a comparison!
Voldymort (EUNE)
: i'm still waiting for you to adress the actual point of the post instead of focusing on wether or not my comparison is valid, which is neither here nor there.
What point? That toxicity isn't Okay? Yeah, according to this snowflake community and Riot games toxicity is not okay. I thought it was universally understood, didn't feel the need to address that. I also thought that my stance was perfectly clear, regardless of Riots rules and what the vast majority of people think, I believe that no form of chat should be bannable under any circumstance. Does that address your point?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: that's why it's called a "comparison" nobody said it's the same thing and you completely missed the point of the entire comment by nitpicking {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Except that the comparison loses value when you compare a life threatening situation to you getting offended by an internet stranger and act as if those are even comparable. It doesn't have to be the same thing, but its extremely pointless to compare two polar opposites since the contexts are completely different. Maybe you just take league way too serious to the point where you think trash talk is comparable to physical, life ending violence.
Kei143 (NA)
: btw, did you know that getting reported alone does nothing towards a player's account? The system is able to understand context and can validate whether a report is valid or false (except for Zero Tolerance phrases). If it's a false report, then the system discards the report.
" The system is able to understand context" BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Xidphel (NA)
: You're fucking up the experience of **_THREE_** people. Just to spite **_ONE_**.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: > even if they are giant assholes the mute button exist just because Kevlar exists, it doesn't mean that the need to use it is perfectly ok the mute button exists as a protection from toxicity, not as an excuse for it's existence
You're comparing trash talk on a video game to the need for a bulletproof vest as if those are even remotely in the same ballpark as far as personal safety concerns go. If you don't have a Kevlar vest you die to a gunshot, if you don't have a mute button you get your feelings hurt. You think that's a valid comparison? You can't just ignore the massive gap in threat between your two scenarios and act like its the same thing. Killing people is far more serious than your feelings getting hurt.
: **Just because someone is being verbally abusive or toxic to you does not mean that you should do the same to them or stoop to their level.** You were banned justly. You threatened to afk, you gave up, you asked your team to int and open mid on top of everything else.
_"Just because someone is being verbally abusive or toxic to you does not mean that you should do the same to them or stoop to their level."_ Yes the fuck it does, if you treat people like shit, you deserve to be treated like shit in retaliation, no matter what bullshit rules are in place. _" You threatened to afk, you gave up, you asked your team to int and open mid on top of everything else."_ As he should, fight bullshit with stronger bullshit. (maybe she, excuse me for assuming your gender that was toxic)
: ban
Sorry, no borders for toxic scum.
: Riot banned me without offering any chatlogs or evidence at all.
Congrats on lasting 70 games before getting banned, I struggle making it past level 10.
Rioter Comments
imsadok (NA)
: Why are people bullying me?
Fight fire with fire, always make sure to retaliate 10x worse than the initial crime. (Feel free to add my "TooManyPermabans" account for toxic duos)
Croix (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=swindsurfer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3FO1iyel,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-10-18T02:40:17.379+0000) > > A major problem with the ban system is that it expects you to respect all players as if they are your close friends or family, and not treat them like the low IQ, pre-teen, raging children over the internet that they are. I treat people how I deem they should be treated, I&#x27;m not going to pretend that everyone deserves equal respect despite their differences in behavior. When people act normal and respectful I never treat them disrespectfully. As for the other 90% of the community that spam pings, rages at you in third grade level grammar, can barely formulate a thought, and think that their way of playing the game is flawless despite being the heaviest member of the team, these are the people I will not respect. There is no better feeling than watching my teammate make 20 mistakes in a row and not flaming them at all, just to turn around and make my first big mistake and they have the audacity to call me out on it as if they weren&#x27;t playing like dog shit for the past 20 mins and I didn&#x27;t say a word. You bet your sweet ass I will be dropping racial slurs at that point. I don't even agree with this tbh. You shouldn't flame someone just because they flame you. Just report them and move on man
You don't have to agree. People have to earn my respect, its not a free gift like riot and this community believe it should be. I have no tolerance for shitty people. Reporting them also doesn't guarantee a ban. Being obnoxious isn't ban worthy as much as I wish it was, the vast majority of people I report don't get banned because they aren't trolling or using hate speech, they're just being annoying.
Croix (EUNE)
: RIOT, your goddamn punishment system SUCKS
A major problem with the ban system is that it expects you to respect all players as if they are your close friends or family, and not treat them like the low IQ, pre-teen, raging children over the internet that they are. I treat people how I deem they should be treated, I'm not going to pretend that everyone deserves equal respect despite their differences in behavior. When people act normal and respectful I never treat them disrespectfully. As for the other 90% of the community that spam pings, rages at you in third grade level grammar, can barely formulate a thought, and think that their way of playing the game is flawless despite being the heaviest member of the team, these are the people I will not respect. There is no better feeling than watching my teammate make 20 mistakes in a row and not flaming them at all, just to turn around and make my first big mistake and they have the audacity to call me out on it as if they weren't playing like dog shit for the past 20 mins and I didn't say a word. You bet your sweet ass I will be dropping racial slurs at that point.
: Let us revise who we give honor to
This is why you don't honor that one guy just because he got 15 kills, or your support just because he landed 3 straight thresh hooks and got you fed. Try actually honoring players for what the honors description says. Not a single honor option says "carried my sorry ass" so I'm not sure why most people use the honor system in that fashion. I skip over honoring anyone in about 90% of my games, the only time I ever hand out an honor is if someone stood out to me as far as behavior goes. If you adopted a system similar to mine, you would be far less likely to accidentally honor some toxic shitbag. But feel free to continue to honor people for playing well and not their behavior, up to you.
Lapis (OCE)
: Seriously about to quit support
Just go AP Tristana support and Max W, bring ignite and take like 15 kills. Late game you transition into a lee sin equivalent by jumping in and R -> flashing their carries into your team.
: > [{quoted}](name=swindsurfer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vIz3Q3We,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-15T02:44:39.622+0000) > > Because pressing the enter key is obviously not a bannable offense in any world. But the fact that the community has become so soft that my comment could actually be mistaken for being serious just blows my mind. It's less that the community has become soft and more than there ARE punished players who legitimately do not underatand their punishment and assume that ALL chat is therefore punishable. So while you may have meant it sarcastically there are many who do NOT, and it's hard to tell tone through text.
You're saying that people are stupid enough to believe that any and all forms of chat are punishable? If any/all chat were punishable, there would be zero reason to have a chat box in the first place, so I find it hard to believe that anyone is actually stupid enough to believe that, but if you say so. I understand that tone is hard to tell over text, but when its something this obvious I assumed it wouldn't be an issue.
: Not how I see it there either. They were responding to your comment to counter it, not in answer to you.
The point is that since it was sarcasm it wouldn't need to be countered...Why would a sarcastic comment require a serious counter response? You know sarcasm means I was joking right? You stated that you doubt people would think I was being serious, and yet he countered my point as if I was being serious... I don't see how this is hard for you to wrap your brain around.
: I doubt people think you're being serious. It's pretty obvious that you're just being a troll, and believe it or not, people don't really like trolls.
did you not read the replies above? He responded to me as if I was being serious.
Xidphel (NA)
: How so?
Because pressing the enter key is obviously not a bannable offense in any world. But the fact that the community has become so soft that my comment could actually be mistaken for being serious just blows my mind.
Xidphel (NA)
: It's fine. It's not worth the permaban. Hell, ain't even worth a 10 game chat restriction.
The fact that someone can struggle to see the sarcasm here and can actually mistake me for being serious truly shows how pathetic this ban system is.
: https://imgur.com/0qPznHJ
Kimmieses (EUW)
: Pubblic chat, toxic or not?
This is definitely worth a permaban, you pressed the enter key. Pressing the enter key is a highly offensive act that should be met with extremely harsh punishments.
: Reasonable for Permaban? Thoughts, please
Nothing chat related deserves a ban. The logs aren't necessary. Your two options are and always will be: 1. Don't type. 2. Type, and risk getting banned if you offend anybody.
: Improving the New Player Experience by modifying the Punishment System
I love this idea, lock me in with 9 other toxic pieces of trash and lets see who can feed faster and drop more racial slurs than me. This system should also have a reverse report option where you get banned if you aren't toxic enough. Brilliant idea.
: Minor Greifing is a REAL thing
I'm just like you, the smallest things tilt me the most. My jungler can tax a single minion after a successful gank and I usually proceed to flashing into turrets or racial slurs.
: Report Riot for: Autofilling during Promo matches! This has to stop.
Or you morons can stop only playing 1-2 roles and a total of 2-3 champions and become more diverse? You're only as good as your weakest role. Just because you can 1 trick your way to Gold 5 but are bronze 5 at every other role and champ in the game, doesn't mean you're actually deserving of gold 5.
: I disagree, I do it all the time with my friends. The context in which it is acceptable for me is when you say it as a joke and they know you aren't a racist. The only meaning words have is what we give to them. That is what context means... You can say any racial slur as many times as you want and that will never change if you are truly a racist or not. Racism is a set of beliefs, whether you say offensive words or not doesn't change your beliefs. That being said people have a right to get offended all they want, and I have a right to not give a shit since I don't have to explain my morals to anybody.
They sure don't, which is exactly why the ban system will not change since they are the ones in power.
: Damn, don't come into my workplace then. It is a gambling parlor and we tell people to leave when they use hate speech or other harsh language excessively. Regardless of if others or the worker has a problem with it.
Ya thats why I only say these things around my friends, other people usually resort to violence over speech they disagree with.
: There's no context which I find calling someone racial slurs acceptable.
I disagree, I do it all the time with my friends. The context in which it is acceptable for me is when you say it as a joke and they know you aren't a racist. The only meaning words have is what we give to them. That is what context means... You can say any racial slur as many times as you want and that will never change if you are truly a racist or not. Racism is a set of beliefs, whether you say offensive words or not doesn't change your beliefs. That being said people have a right to get offended all they want, and I have a right to not give a shit since I don't have to explain my morals to anybody.
: I'm not seeing the issue here. You cleanly and completely break the rules even if a human were to review such a situation.
There is no issue if you agree with how the current ban system works, however for people who have thicker skin and believe context is very important, the system is seriously flawed.
: Good thing those reports get thrown out then unless you used hate speech.
That wasn't the point, obviously there was hate speech used if a ban was handed out. The point was that the hate speech isn't why you're getting reported in a lot of situations. This is how it works. I take my junglers blue buff as Orianna mid, he says hes gunna report me for trolling him and taking his buff, I call him a pussy or racial slurs, he then goes to all chat and says report orianna for trolling me and taking my blue buff, 5 mins after game I get chat ban. His point still stands where they report you for being a "bad jungler" or "taking my blue buff" but check as many boxes as possible in hopes of you getting banned. Yes the ban is technically valid under this snowflake rule-set but the point was that the system is garbage and in no world is it a good idea to have a server wide automated ban system.
mærk (NA)
: The system is precise and supposedly perfect. THEREFORE you're supposed to be perfect. The only problem is clearly 99% of the players type as if they're English Majors and or are Linguistics in English. Therefore if you are gonna quote someone, use quotations. Other English things, etcs. This is sort of common sense too. If you are directing your comments and or conversation, you would talk and say someone's name or get their attention. Like in real life. Oh. League is real Life.
I'm not sure what you're talking about now you didn't respond to a single thing I posted. The system is far from perfect I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not over text. I also didn't quote you in my last response so I'm confused as to what you're referencing there. If you're referring to my response, I hit the reply button so I assumed it would be sent to you. At this point I'm going to assume you're trolling until further notice.
: > [{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qfBFjAYE,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-09T20:05:39.223+0000) > > So you admit you did something that could me percieved as toxic? Gotcha. Case closed boys, wrap it up. He knows what he did was wrong, he just doesnt like getting caught. Thanks for proving me point dude. None of these people reported me for my jokes. They reported me for being a "bad jungler" they just did what most people do and hit 3 boxes and hope that person gets punished. It's actually a joke of system
This is so true, people get mad at your play and report for hate speech every time.
mærk (NA)
: What card? The one where they see that two players are ruining the games for the 8 players playing who are presumably new hence the OP's level 15 alt. You can play around if you want, there are bots for a reason. There you can mess around but even then you're still eligible to getting reported. If you have no intentions to play the game, don't play. Play _THAT_ card. The card of not playing League. **_*Drops mic*_**
What the hell are you talking about? He said they were both having friendly banter in all chat and someone else reported him causing a chat restriction. In what world does that qualify as "ruining the games for the 8 players playing who are presumably new"? Another case of "lets protect each others feelings and ban anything that can be perceived as offensive". Also epic mic drop... I bet that gave you a raging boner.
mærk (NA)
: Careful there PlatBronze, your jokes can be as nice and caring but a joke is a joke. Nobody has the humor you do especially online in a game where millions meet daily. You can't evade punishment because you didn't mean any harm... I'm done replying with you, you deserve that punishment. So not careful Ginn? Lol since you got punished. Meanwhile I won't get punished because I know better not to joke about moms in-game. The only thing you can say is nothing as you're playing on Riot's property (your account you agreed to borrow from them until they feel you deserve to be punished if not taken away from you) Again you're too delusional and see the only world you live in. Wake up buddy.
"You can't evade punishment because you didn't mean any harm..." This right here is grade A bullshit, intent definitely matters, especially in something as petty as trash talk. If it didn't matter, anyone could get offended at anything and every word out of your mouth would be subject to punishment. And since we're on the subject, the name "Mærk" really triggers me so I believe that you should be permabanned from the forums and just because you didn't mean me any harm is too fucking bad, you should be banned regardless because you know, intent is irrelevant.
: Yes, I got the notification that the other guy got his immediate punishment as well... Also, my account is now "dishonorable" because of this - wtf?
Hurting peoples feelings is a ban worthy offense, welcome to league of liberals.
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