Cael (NA)
: I finally reached level 2!
That is way too long to have to grind for 1 chat restriction :( They are just robbing people of rewards because we not everyone can grind 7-8 games a day :(
Phauxi (NA)
: Honor is League is Ruining the Game
I hear ya....one of my alts has been honor level 0....check point 0....for over 8 months now( i play it about twice a day).....I have just stopped caring about honor as the system they have is arbitrary and completely subjective.
: The stats don't lie; most accounts never get punished. It's also been confirmed that even if you aren't getting punished, that doesn't mean you're making progress towards climbing out of honor 0. Valid reports can happen against your account that are too minor to warrant punishment. People who *actually* reform and start being positive in game don't have this issue. That's the truth. Most players *don't* respond when they are flamed. Just don't. Mute and report, that's your move. There's a misconception among the more negative side of the community that everyone is like them. That isn't the case. You can choose not to flame, and you'll climb out easily if you do.
> [{quoted}](name=KempyreanPirate,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zjZZAcKI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-06-09T21:35:59.954+0000) > > The stats don't lie; most accounts never get punished. That's a misleading statement.............if you add up all of the "inactive" accounts and add them to the never been punished side...then of course the numbers are going to be heavily skewed :( Also...the problem isn't that it is hard to climb out...the problem is that it takes too damn long for even the most benign of punishments.
: When people receive valid reports, that aren't enough to trigger a penalty, it still affects their progression through the honor system. This is often times what creates the perception for honor 0 players that it takes forever to climb. They think that just because they are getting honored and not penalized, it must mean they are progressing. This is not so. We need to do a better job making progression visible. Happy to hear that you are almost back to honor 2! Keep it up.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2dLK3IWP,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-04-18T17:51:19.761+0000) > > When people receive valid reports, that aren&#x27;t enough to trigger a penalty, it still affects their progression through the honor system. This is often times what creates the perception for honor 0 players that it takes forever to climb. They think that just because they are getting honored and not penalized, it must mean they are progressing. This is not so. > > We need to do a better job making progression visible. > > Happy to hear that you are almost back to honor 2! Keep it up. ...Riot wants to make progression more visible.....but refuses to add a bar? >> instead we just get check points that are just as ambiguous and random as actually leveling up in the honor system ><
Terozu (NA)
: I got out of honor 0 in 5 days.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2dLK3IWP,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-16T15:02:18.487+0000) > > In a little over a month i got two check points and am almost level 2 again. I don&amp;#039;t understand why people are taking so long to get out of honor level 0. A month is still way too long.....plus....you need to add in the "locked" time to the climb.
: Hello! I may be able to solve your problem. There's a website out there called TextNow (and similar websites) that gives you an online mobile phone that you can check messages just like email. I have a friend that used that.
> [{quoted}](name=I always miss Q,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QILV6lKL,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2018-05-18T22:18:39.476+0000) > > Hello! I may be able to solve your problem. There&#x27;s a website out there called TextNow (and similar websites) that gives you an online mobile phone that you can check messages just like email. I have a friend that used that. thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.
Rioter Comments
: Can we not restrict Honor Level 1 out of Clash?
I agree that something as silly as a 10 game chat restrict can stop people from playing clash for months+ =/
: Yeah, I think that the new system feeling different or worse is good feedback which we are watching carefully. But I'm also seeing this perception that the new system is giving you less currency - and that's not true. It's difficult to have a conversation about how the system feels when not everyone has the right facts.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Calad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8atuoxqE,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:07:42.091+0000) > > Yeah, I think that the new system feeling different or worse is good feedback which we are watching carefully. > > But I&#x27;m also seeing this perception that the new system is giving you less currency - and that&#x27;s not true. It&#x27;s difficult to have a conversation about how the system feels when not everyone has the right facts. What the new system DOES do however, is punish players leveling from 1-30 if they play more the 6 games a day. I'm currently leveling 2 alts for season 8.....one account i do 1 game on (basically quitting after 1st win of the day) and the other I am grinding with. The account where i just get the 1st win of the day is legit keeping pace with the one i play 6 or more on >>.
Rioter Comments
Lyte (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ozlux,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-15T07:07:06.704+0000) > > -Sike. I&#039;ve tested this with friends on level 10 smurfs. You can literally report someone who played the game without saying a word or preforming any kind of minor in-game toxicity (ping spamming, feeding, roaming when shouldn&#039;t be, etc) and they will be punished by chat restriction. > -Now let&#039;s look at the beauty of chat restriction. What a nice system. It really shows the summoner what they&#039;ve done wrong. ANOTHER SIKE. If anything - it makes the person even MORE toxic. Playing ranked and not being able to effectively communicate with your team (cmon Riot, let&#039;s be real, the amount of messages you get DOES NOT SUFFICE) makes one frustrated and angry = more toxicity. If you believe you do not deserve your punishment, we can review your chat logs here. If any player ever thinks they are punished but don't deserve it, happy to be transparent so everyone can see that the system is accurate and punishment is deserved.
> [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2015-06-18T15:53:59.542+0000) > > If you believe you do not deserve your punishment, we can review your chat logs here. > > If any player ever thinks they are punished but don't deserve it, happy to be transparent so everyone can see that the system is accurate and punishment is deserved. ......why does it take 19 years for behavior support to respond for a request for chat logs? Do they have to spend hours digging through positive and neutral games just to find a few toxic phrases to claim "deserved"?
: I was told to kill myself today. Too bad they wont be punished because he was in the 4 man premade while I was solo.
> [{quoted}](name=The Junglenaut,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0041,timestamp=2015-07-07T00:48:49.042+0000) > > I was told to kill myself today. Too bad they wont be punished because he was in the 4 man premade while I was solo. ...yep.....and i bet they cried in all chat to report you too.
: Ranked Restrictions
Ranked restricts, are perhaps, one of the dumbest things that riot has ever done. It kills motivation to play and try to win. It also reduce my "season" by about a month+ depending on how many restricts are in place.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=001300020000,timestamp=2015-06-18T16:16:19.201+0000) > > It's coming back. lol k in 2025? (✿◡‿◡)
> [{quoted}](name=medium katarina,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0013000200000005,timestamp=2015-06-22T15:10:33.378+0000) > > lol k in 2025? (✿◡‿◡) If he hurries up and finishes it....he maybe laid off...........better not take any chances and drag it on as long as possible. While wasting more time by creating flawed systems like chat and ranked restricts XD Job security yo.
Lyte (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=IonCannonKarthus,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=001300020000000200000002,timestamp=2015-06-18T16:29:24.835+0000) > > So it's a Christmas present? Anything I can get you in return? Try out the new voting and give us feedback :) We're trying to make sure we can identify and review positive players as well to give real-time rewards for being positive, which is a bit more complex than negative behavior. Part of this is because "positive" doesn't necessarily mean the "lack of negativity," and it's quite difficult to teach systems or computer algorithms how to identify between multiple types of behaviors (negative, neutral, positive) instead of just binary behaviors (negative or neutral).
> [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0013000200000002000000020000,timestamp=2015-06-18T16:31:34.304+0000) > > Try out the new voting and give us feedback :) We're trying to make sure we can identify and review positive players as well to give real-time rewards for being positive, which is a bit more complex than negative behavior. Part of this is because "positive" doesn't necessarily mean the "lack of negativity," and it's quite difficult to teach systems or computer algorithms how to identify between multiple types of behaviors (negative, neutral, positive) instead of just binary behaviors (negative or neutral). So does mean we just have to spam "gj" "gg" "wp" "wtg" ?
Lyte (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ozlux,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-06-15T07:07:06.704+0000) > > -Sike. I&#039;ve tested this with friends on level 10 smurfs. You can literally report someone who played the game without saying a word or preforming any kind of minor in-game toxicity (ping spamming, feeding, roaming when shouldn&#039;t be, etc) and they will be punished by chat restriction. > -Now let&#039;s look at the beauty of chat restriction. What a nice system. It really shows the summoner what they&#039;ve done wrong. ANOTHER SIKE. If anything - it makes the person even MORE toxic. Playing ranked and not being able to effectively communicate with your team (cmon Riot, let&#039;s be real, the amount of messages you get DOES NOT SUFFICE) makes one frustrated and angry = more toxicity. If you believe you do not deserve your punishment, we can review your chat logs here. If any player ever thinks they are punished but don't deserve it, happy to be transparent so everyone can see that the system is accurate and punishment is deserved.
> [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2015-06-18T15:53:59.542+0000) > > If you believe you do not deserve your punishment, we can review your chat logs here. > > If any player ever thinks they are punished but don't deserve it, happy to be transparent so everyone can see that the system is accurate and punishment is deserved. That way he can dig and dig till he finds like 1 slip up and goes "ban worthy!" While people who give death threats and yell at us to drink bleach for giving up 1st blood goes unpunished.
: Aw but see I mute players that annoy me and never rage at them. Aka I will never have to do it haha
they can still report you though. Even riot has admitted that part of the system is automated.
: I think its fair.. see your on her complaining but i feel thats because you dont want to do the punishment. now if you ever finish you proibably wont want to do it again.
..easy to say till you have to deal with it yourself and see how truly random normal games are. Luck plays way more of a factor than skill does.
: Ok, let's say Riot gives you what you want. This is how it will go down; 1. "I'm restricted for 20 games." 2. "What's the quickest way to get through them?" 3. "Oh I know, I feed and troll and make my team surrender at 20" GG you just fucked Normals by letting trolls troll even more so they can go back to trolling
So they have no good solution and should just get rid of it :)
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
Ozlux (NA)
: Riot Lyte's Chat Restriction System is Amazing!
maybe they used a bunch of mutes when they tested the chat restricts..............><
Lyte (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SamuraiFladicco,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=001900010000,timestamp=2015-06-18T17:03:31.712+0000) > > Okay Lyte, way to ignore the problem at hand. The problem isn't the chat logs, the problem is this is a competitive, heated gaming environment not Barbie's Sunshine paradise or Spongebob bikini island battle royal or pokemon rumble. This is a game with MATURE content and MATURE themes, that's also HIGHLY competitive and with a game part of the nature is "toxicity" which is actually not toxicity, but competetive spirit. True toxicity is not "flaming" over the heat of the moment, people who flame actually care about the game. True toxicity is shit like "its just a game i dont care if i lose so w/e" true toxicity is encouraging being bad at the game, true toxicity is encouraging trolling. Please stop strawmanning like wookiecookie did, I wish the forum goers would realise you are doing exactly what wookiecookie did, but you are better at hiding it, you are fooling the sheep. Professionals get fined in sports leagues for unsportsmanlike conduct. Whether it's the NBA, NFL or NHL, this is a fact. Being competitive has nothing to do with verbally harassing someone or being racist, or sexist. Again, if you don't agree, spend your time elsewhere.
> [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0019000100000003,timestamp=2015-06-18T17:19:01.766+0000) > > Professionals get fined in sports leagues for unsportsmanlike conduct. Whether it's the NBA, NFL or NHL, this is a fact. Being competitive has nothing to do with verbally harassing someone or being racist, or sexist. > > Again, if you don't agree, spend your time elsewhere. But they also dont have up to 9 strangers report them. They get hearing and appeals.....riot just uses automated systems to slap on restricts...which is bs.
Lyte (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SamuraiFladicco,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=001900010000,timestamp=2015-06-18T17:03:31.712+0000) > > Okay Lyte, way to ignore the problem at hand. The problem isn't the chat logs, the problem is this is a competitive, heated gaming environment not Barbie's Sunshine paradise or Spongebob bikini island battle royal or pokemon rumble. This is a game with MATURE content and MATURE themes, that's also HIGHLY competitive and with a game part of the nature is "toxicity" which is actually not toxicity, but competetive spirit. True toxicity is not "flaming" over the heat of the moment, people who flame actually care about the game. True toxicity is shit like "its just a game i dont care if i lose so w/e" true toxicity is encouraging being bad at the game, true toxicity is encouraging trolling. Please stop strawmanning like wookiecookie did, I wish the forum goers would realise you are doing exactly what wookiecookie did, but you are better at hiding it, you are fooling the sheep. Professionals get fined in sports leagues for unsportsmanlike conduct. Whether it's the NBA, NFL or NHL, this is a fact. Being competitive has nothing to do with verbally harassing someone or being racist, or sexist. Again, if you don't agree, spend your time elsewhere.
> [{quoted}](name=Lyte,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=2vuiFVFw,comment-id=0019000100000003,timestamp=2015-06-18T17:19:01.766+0000) > > Professionals get fined in sports leagues for unsportsmanlike conduct. Whether it's the NBA, NFL or NHL, this is a fact. Being competitive has nothing to do with verbally harassing someone or being racist, or sexist. > > Again, if you don't agree, spend your time elsewhere. I'm tired of my never ending chat restricts. I honestly feel it has made me more toxic from not being able to communicate freely. I play non meta things and people will troll me all day cause the say "that doesn't work..imma play a real jungler"...now i get 1 message every 4 mins just to beg him not to troll. There have also been games where i have said nothing but somehow get the reported for verbal abuse screen to appear at the end of the game. I'll finish my chat restricts...get like 1 game of "freedom" than get like another 60-ish games again.
Lowball (NA)
: Pool party points are lacking
I would play but since i got a chat restrict since feb. , I wouldn't get anything anyways. Back to solo q!
: Team Up & Pool Party
If you have a chat ban, will it prevent you from getting pp mundo? :O
: Anyone else lagging im trying to carry hrd here riot da fuq
: They dont care. They "cant remove or modify bans in anyway" which is complete bull since they can easily add them. I too have suffered this but suck it up buttercup coz once gain. No-one cares. Im in a ranked gamed right now, and EUW has crashed. Probs gonna get banned again but they dont care.
..its true..they can add/modify/overturn bans anytime they wish. Well, certain people can at least. Point is, if they WANT to do something they will.
: I can assure you people respond much better to smart pings than they do slurs and insults. In some cases, a player has difficulty avoiding the latter situation, and in those cases we suggest just not talking at all if effective use of chat is not consistently achievable. For a lot of players, effective use is *very* possible and there's no problem using chat to work with their teams. I'd still say even if you *can* make effective use of chat, smart pings are a great tool regardless.
smart pings help....don't get me wrong....but sometimes people just don't respond lol. The main problem i have with chat restricts is that I can't ask them to calm down, please don't rage quit, or (my personal favorite) please stop typing essays or monologues and focus on the game. Some people need to be consoled throughout the entire game or they just start throwing or feeding. Maybe add something like....a comfort ping that says..."its ok" "please don't quit on us, we can win" "good job, keep it up" etc.
: Ranked and Chat restriction Riot please pay notice on my Discussion :).
I love how riot assumes people will even respond to smart pings ><. Also, somethings just cant be said/communicated with the current smart ping set up.
: Leaving Games as an Emergency Responder
I'd rather have the old leaver buster system back tbh. It's a lot better than the current one.
Neasuas (NA)
: leaver buster is assaulting me
such a dumb system. I rarely leave games and i still get hit with it too.
Tazey65 (NA)
: Because it's something that's completely obvious. Pretty much all companies and businesses do what they do to get money, we know Riot does. But that doesn't mean they can't have any other motives/reasons beside it, and that's not what the one asking the question meant. That's why you got lots of down votes. Being conceited also won't get you up votes. I'll give you an example of the way you sounded: A person asks "What's up?" You respond by saying "The sky." Not to mention that you then criticized people for not liking your comment/answer which was like my example above and restated what you already stated. That's how ridiculous you are.
So if everyone knows it...why down vote it? lmao using your example i could say...grass is green.....but be downvoted cause i stated an obvious fact.
We4ponX (NA)
: Um, they totally are doing it for money. They are going to tell us whatever positive, hippie-like response we want to hear to keep us at bay. A lot of their actions lately have been geared towards a better LCS experience, for watchers and players, which inherently leads them to more money because of bigger events... On top of that, they have been pushing for money elsewhere like with the Chroma packs. I have had two friends completely untrained in gaming coding go into their own programs and create a chroma pack for a champion and it took them, with no exaggeration, 18 minute to complete it. Riot is taking something that literally took no work and charging 5 dollars for it; this way the stupid people who are completely incoherent as to how things are done programming-wise will dump more money into aesthetic changes. I love Riot, but they have become increasingly greedy over the past 365 days or so.
yep. It kind of feels like they have gotten too big too fast and have lost the core values they had at the start of the game.
: they want more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. basically it.
down voted for speaking the truth, huh? Its a business decision, nothing more. Making the product easier to buy.
: Could we get any insight as to why the rules were more stringent before, and why they're being relaxed now? Not complaining, I'm just interested.
they want more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. basically it.
Rioter Comments
: I can log on through Boards but I can't log on through Forums
: Well after failing plat promos 6 times, I finally tilted
fk promos. They are just too frustrating.
: i finish placements but still unranked
It says you have only done 9 games, when i quickly checked your profile.
: If your Mid Carry is Good but your ADC is Bad and you are the support.
as bad as he/she may be, you will still need to help the adc cause they are usually the biggest tower siege-ers late game. With a few exceptions..like tryn/fiora/yi etc.
: Who can name me a single lane counter to Swain?
{{champion:90}} {{champion:82}} Just shove his ass under the tower and ward. Easy enough to win lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=themachamp2,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=hj9Iw76F,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-03-07T05:52:52.374+0000) > > Just proxy waves vs ranged and make them chase you. Yeah, but I am in silver. My teammates won't be able to capitalize on it even if I do. They will just think I am feeding.
its solo Q....fk your teammates. Its not your job to teach them basic league knowledge. ;)
: When to pick singed?
Just proxy waves vs ranged and make them chase you.
Wasabo (NA)
: I haven't ever gotten the IP bonuses yet
its probably just a gimmick. I have yet to see anyone get it. I gave up after 3 tries and got nothing but standard IP gains.
: Why do promo games exist?
Lol, im far from excited....more...."oh boy time for the best of 5 lottery" *rolls the dice* I just wish they could give us dodge credits or something. Cause some games you know are just lost from champ select. ex: 2 people fighting and pick urgot/evelyn and take troll summoners in hopes of forcing a dodge. Well....if i play i lose....dodge i lose....guess this type of thing slipped through the cracks in testing.
: Dude, Ranked isn't meant for whiny brats who don't fully understand the game yet, or, you know, ***learn how to mold themselves into being good at this game.*** I am disappointed that *you*, being *Silver* elo, think this way. 90% of **any** game you play guarantees a troll, 98% a feeder, and as far as winning, always stays at 50/50 (given *your* mentality, I'd say 20/80). If breezing your way up the ranking ladder was as simple as breathing, what would you learn?
what are you even saying? its a tiny sub set of games where you have to have a 66-75% win rate to advance. In such a small sample size luck plays an enormous role. My win rate is above 50% but for that short period of time it is forced to be so much higher.
Rioter Comments
: [Suggestion] Promo Series Series
i hate promos..artificial barrier that is a small sub set of games. Its more a test of luck than skill.
: No wonder no one likes playing ADC in silver
i avoid adc and supp at all cost in low elo. top/mid/jung usually win or lose the game. I agree that few people actually peel in bronze/silver. They would all rather dive the enemy adc than protect theirs =/ My favorite is when im told to "focus graves". I'm like...bitch im caitlyn, i cant run past jax and vi just to shoot graves without getting pwnd >
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