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: Anyone else like the Adventurer Illaoi skin?
Adventurer is boring. Given the preview we got, we can expect no new particles just due to the absence of a change in color palette alone. It also doesn't really have a new thematic. It looks like they took current Illaoi and gave her a hat. Deep Space and Battlecast are both very different from base Illaoi and offer a whole new feel.
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: Out of curiosity, why do you feel like he is in need of any nerfs?
I wouldn't even ask for nerfs, changes rather. The way his power is currently budgeted feels like absolute shit to play against. No one champion should have the most HP of any tank, the most damaging single target spell of any tank, nor should that spell be point and click + true damage. I don't care if you want him to be a gigantic walking health bar that takes a long time to die, but that should be the only thing he's good at. Leave his health stacking as is, make his CC maybe a little more reliable with lower cast time on Q or something, add some damage to his basic abilities since they seemingly deal less damage than an auto attack at the moment, and take away the true damage nuke. Drop it to like 300-500 base damage. Make it an execute if you have to, like +25% missing HP. I don't care if you give him tank fighting power so he stays relevant in lane, but he shouldn't get to delete squishies better than a full damage midlaner while also being 25x as tanky. Cho shouldn't get to be a jack of all trades while also being the absolute best at several of those trades.
: > If you get like a braum or malphite to engage lmao. Getting someone else on your team to play a tank is a challenge on its own. Even in high plat, i find myself being the only tank. Whether it be Ornn or Sion i'm playing and everyone expects you to peel for mid/top AND engage properly. The amount of people that just straight up don't care about helping someone else tank is what makes Ornn so shit in solo queue. Also, if riot plans to buff him they should remove the weird E animation stun thing (if your E doesnt connect with a wall). Or keep his current W and buff his Q or E. Why does Ornn have so much power located in his W? I have around 40 games with him in plat 2 elo, 30 percent winrate. And he just seems so fucking weird to play. And i always question where the "skill curve" there is in his kit that makes him so ridiculously hard to play? His kit is actually basic and easy to use. It's just shit all around imo. I actually think my winrate will stabilize with him at some point, but like... I've never had so much trouble playing a tank in my entire time playing league I mean, i'm someone who has taken the chance of playing RELEASE ORNN all the way up until now in RANKED games and i can't say there's a point in time where i felt truly satisfied with his kit. They buffed his mana costs. Why? Ornn's laning phase was actually already good. The problem with Ornn is that he is too difficult to use outside of the laning phase. So riot actually didnt achieve much with his mana costs buff because his core problems exist outside of the laning phase. Also, his random AP and AD scalings? Where is the consistency in his kit? what the fuck do you build on him? There aren't really so many items that feel good on him either. I guess abyssal mask feels good. But w/e that's my thoughts on him so far.
I played a bit of Ornn as well, already gave up. (Context - Sion main so I love telegraphed tanks) The problem with Ornn is that he has no combos and therefore cannot make plays happen. Let's say you want to trade in lane. Q for the slow, W them, and then.... What now? The only way you get to use your E is if your enemy walks to the side of the lane next to a wall, because god knows they won't still be standing on your Q when it pops up. Ornn's issue is that he can never make plays happen, he has to wait for the enemy laner to make plays on themselves. There is no skill expression for Ornn, you just have to wait for your enemy to display a lack of skill and allow you to go in. If your enemy just stands in the middle of the lane and moves a few steps to the side any time you Q, congrats. You have no combo and no way to trade. With a tank like Sion, you can take initiative, land E, and use that to do an easier combo. You're rewarded for hitting a difficult skillshot with making the rest of your kit easier to hit. Ornn is rewarded by hitting his Q with... nothing. Because he doesn't get to hit his Q. His enemy gets to decide if he hits it by choosing to stand in front of it or not. A champion's power should not be gated by the enemy ALLOWING them to use their kit.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Flore,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GNI4W4fG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-01T19:53:26.105+0000) > > hes not the most toxic player of all time whos ruined the most game, just the most recent famous one. Step down kid. Point out someone more toxic that is known to the public at large, I'll be waiting. Step up **kid**. You are correct XJ9 was probably just as bad, but he is long forgotten by the public and has become a non issue and was never unbanned therefore it has no effect on my argument.
> [{quoted}](name=RedPannda,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GNI4W4fG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-01T19:55:38.335+0000) > > Point out someone more toxic that is known to the public at large, I'll be waiting. Step up **kid**. > > You are correct XJ9 was probably just as bad, but he is long forgotten by the public and has become a non issue and was never unbanned therefore it has no effect on my argument. XJ9. RAT IRL. Jensen. Dardoch. PornstarZilean. Shaclone. Tarzaned. AP0CALYPSE.
: Genuinely, why does anyone give a shit about Tyler1?
Because he is no longer the same guy he used to be. Tyler1 used to be a piece of shit, good-for-nothing, toxic Rank 1 wannabe. Permabanned 23+ accounts, then Riot banned Tyler1 the person rather than banning his accounts. Indefinitely. Tyler stopped playing LoL, and started streaming variety. Played other games on request, coached other people playing Draven, etc. While he did this, he became what I honestly believe to be the greatest entertainer on Twitch, and I think the numbers his streams pull can speak for that. I think being banned from LoL was good for him. If he was allowed to continue playing, he would never have played other games and become the entertainment powerhouse he is now. When he was playing LoL, toxicity WAS the entertainment. There was no reason for him to change, because his skill and intense douchebaggery drew in the viewers. I think it was for the best that he was indefinitely banned and I don't wish that it had played out differently. However, when he wasn't streaming, he was still playing LoL off-cam. Still grinding, and attempting to reform. His accounts were still banned regularly, but not for toxicity. Just because his accounts were to be banned on sight. With the release of the new honor system, Tyler's account reached Honor 5. He also got this account into Masters, and within 1 game of Challenger before it was banned. With this, Tyler vowed never to play LoL again, not even offstream, until Riot was willing to unban him. He felt he had reformed, and if Riot didn't want him to play, he'd leave the ball in their court. I personally believe that if Tyler were to be unbanned, he wouldn't return to his toxic ways. Firstly, because all eyes would be on him and one fuckup would ban him for eternity, and secondly because he doesn't need to be toxic anymore. He's still extremely skilled at the game, and he's insanely entertaining after being forced to adapt to variety streaming. He has no need to be toxic to entertain viewers. Riot has contacted Tyler and asked for him to wait for further word from them. He will likely be unbanned sometime in the near future following his reform. I recommend that you check out his stream sometime. If all you've seen of Tyler is the raging and feeding compilations on YouTube, then you've got the wrong idea. There's a lot of personality behind that lumpy headmeat. Great guy, and I hope people can look past his mistakes and give new T1 a chance at redemption.
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: Nasus was never a late game champion this stigma needs to end. He always spiked midgame and fell off after just not as hard as before now that he actually has percent armor pen. Tanks were never meant to 1v1 duelists anyways. It was stupid to fight him during his ult then and even stupider now I just don't understand why some people on the boards are suddenly crying thinking he is so strong early game now. If this were entirely true then why is he still barely managing a 50% winrate in such a snowbally meta? If anything I think the balance team needs to better distribute the power in his kit rather than putting it all into his ult which I believe is probably the single most overloaded ability (even for an ultimate) in this game now.
> [{quoted}](name=Everlasting Tilt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Y0TapOxR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-09-17T07:15:44.296+0000) > > Nasus was never a late game champion this stigma needs to end. He always spiked midgame and fell off after just not as hard as before now that he actually has percent armor pen. Tanks were never meant to 1v1 duelists anyways. > > It was stupid to fight him during his ult then and even stupider now I just don't understand why some people on the boards are suddenly crying thinking he is so strong early game now. If this were entirely true then why is he still barely managing a 50% winrate in such a snowbally meta? > > If anything I think the balance team needs to better distribute the power in his kit rather than putting it all into his ult which I believe is probably the single most overloaded ability (even for an ultimate) in this game now. TBF, it's impossible not to fight him in ult now. Lasts 15 seconds, he rushes CDR as part of his build. If you back and come to lane it's up again.
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: PSA: Juggernauts are not tanks.
Juggernauts are a subclass of Tanks in my mind. Tanks = anyone with a big HP bar Subclasses = Warden, Vanguard, Juggernaut Juggs are Tanks with little/no engage or peel, but they still soak damage and deal a ton of damage to compensate. Vanguards are Tanks with tons of engage, little/no peel or damage. Wardens are Tanks with tons of peel, with little to no engage or damage.
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: His W IS next to useless if he doesn't max it though. It doubles from rank 1-5 while being slightly better than Malphite passive at rank 1 (9% max health with 65 base as opposed to 17% max health and 85 base at rank 5).
As it should be, just like Sion's. He should have to invest in it to rely on it.
: If RIOT nerfs Nautilus E again, he is basically done in the jungle
Riot needs to treat him like a Sion when it comes to W. Make the shield relatively useless unless he maxes it. If need be, make his E do extra damage to monsters like Yi Q to speed up his clear. Really all he needs is a bit more sustained AoE damage from E and he'll be fine. Relying too much on either W or E makes him oppressive in lane, so Riot would have to tune him for jungle in a way that wouldn't influence lane.
: Can we stop complaining about win rates and pick rates?
... What? Should we be looking to champion skin sales metrics for balance then? Winrate and pickrate is the ONLY thing that matters in balancing. If a champion has a high winrate AND pickrate, they're OP and need nerfs. A high banrate or low banrate has nothing to do with balance, it just means their kit may or may not be frustrating to play against. This is not an excuse for am extremely high or low winrate. For champions like old Sona not "feeling" powerful despite being powerful, that's a problem with the champion's kit. It isn't an excuse for a high winrate. Are you implying that Sona could have a 70% winrate and not "feel strong" and it would be fine to leave her that way? What kind of idiocracy is this?
SirΤeemο (EUNE)
: 54% is not high for AHRI. would be high for YORICK and low for Zed
54% is high for anyone. If any champion has a 54% winrate and a decent pickrate, they're blatantly OP. Even a champion like Annie or Garen shouldn't have a winrate that high coupled with a high pickrate.
SirΤeemο (EUNE)
: win rates don't tell you anything.. stop reading them
"Don't base a champion's perceived strength off of the stat that literally quantifies their strength!" Winrate alone doesn't mean much. Coupled with pickrate, it means the world. If a champion is played at a high rate and ALSO has a winrate above 51% or so, it's fair to say that they're strong if not OP. If the statistics say that literally anyone can pick the champion and win more games than they lose, it's time to look at the champion for nerfs.
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: You sound incredibly tilted, please refrain from posting irrational rants. If an ad champion is their best means of carrying, which is the mid lane's role, let them. Forcing them to play champions that they aren't familiar with for the sake of having an "ap" champion is just reverse narcissism. It's not like they're nonviable or anything, plus there's plenty of ap centered tanks and supports that do decent damage.
Even if it is their best means of carrying, picking an AD mid at all is a massive risk in solo Q. So much in fact that I'd rather have them first time Annie or something just to make it harder for enemies to itemize.
InTheory (EUW)
: ***
Communication only goes so far if the mid onetricks an AD and refuses to change. It sucks, but I guess that's the way it is.
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feed klng (EUW)
: LF d5 LULU MAIN
Silencee, is that you?
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: Looking for Committed Gold III + Jungler
Interested, but in a game at the moment. Will add afterward.
Raoul (EUW)
: The Nunu Support player was NOT BANED because he played Nunu Support...
Well, if he could queue as "Counterjungle Objective Controller" I'm sure he would. Blame Riot for enforcing 5 distinct roles, even though they claim that a meta should never be enforced. He just picked the closest thing to the role he wants to play.
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: For melee bruisers who typically build AD (though some deal a good amount of AP) {{champion:75}}: wither fucks any auto attack speed based champion which Trundle is one, not to mention Nasus stacks infinitely so eventually he will outdamage him. {{champion:24}}: counter strike wins against all auto attack reliant champions, and like I said, it is Trundle's main source of damage, doesn't matter if Trundle ults after Jax's ult, since the dodge will nullify his damage. {{champion:2}}: depends on build, but if Olaf manages to survive Trundle's ult, then there is no question Olaf will fuck Trundle {{champion:19}}: not sure now after the rework, but I definitely managed to 1v1 a Trundle at full build and Warick just outheals him and his ult buys time to counter Trundle's ult. At 40% cdr his can spam his healing, and the new passive and W give him more healing and attack speed boost. {{champion:114}}: Her true damage just screws him up completely deeming his ult useless. {{champion:23}}: as long as he has Mortal reminder or anything to shred armor Trundle definitely loses, especially since Trynd has his ult. {{champion:420}}: if we are talking about fighting balls deep without running away, I think she will destroy anyone in 1v1 except for Tryndamere. Her ult just outburst anything Trundle has. {{champion:11}}: His dps late game is too much for Trundle to tank, especially since he has built in true damage, and he can just by armor pen.
Nice necro, this thread is over a year old pal.
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Saldone (EUNE)
: Esport for all gender
> [{quoted}](name=Saldone,realm=EUNE,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=esEpoouA,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-12T20:40:29.246+0000) > > Make a separate group for women, so they also can participate in Esports, like they have in CS ! > > We want equality, even tho im a guy ! i support that Women can participate in eSports. Nothing saying they can't. There just aren't any that can play at current LoL professional caliber. If you're suggesting they need a tournament specifically for women, then you'll have to admit that women are inferior at something... But women can do anything a man can do! So we don't need a women's-only LoL scene. Just have them try out for existing teams if they're so good.
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: When you give your Mains Skins nick names
{{champion:14}} Standard: The OG Zombo Lumberjack: Lumberjack Hextech: The other one Warmonger: The other one Barbarian: The other one MECHA ZERO: HOLY FUCK ITS A TRAIN
: Okay, Kha'zix is overpowered. That's a fact. But saying he deals over 1000 damage with a warrior and 2 longswords is bullshit.
Not really. Do the math on it. Warrior + 2 long sword will give Kha'Zix around 90 bonus AD with AD quints, meaning a full combo of Isolated Q + W + E + Auto will deal around 750 damage before resistances, and that's only one Q. Another isolated Q puts him well above 1000 dmg, closer to 1100. This is with Q at lv 4, W at 1, E at 1. Not to mention without the Evolved Q bonus, just regular Q. Masteries also weren't included, so no Tlord factored in or %dmg increase from ferocity. So....
: You clearly can't read. That's a huge nerf. 20% base ratio removed and evolved Q refunds 50% instead of 65% now.
The CD refund was recently added. I was referring to the isolation damage being increased by 15%.
: We Need an Item that Coutners Nasus's Q
You have 6 item slots. If you want to survive Nasus, build Armor. You'll miss out on damage. Or don't miss out on damage, and die to Nasus. You can't have both.
: as a support player... i kinda wanna draw the attention to me... cuz if you focus me then you arent giving two shits to my carries i am kinda like the bull fighter teasing the bull same when i play mao top ... yes waste everything on killing me plz do it
I'm just referring to the "supports" that often end the game with double their ADC's kills and damage. Yeah, I'm gonna focus the shit out of you.
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: Yes http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
I mean a REAL nerf. That's 5 base damage and a cumulative 5% ratio loss, not even a scratch.
: no they nerfed kitty kat rengar so you can not ban him and ban kha instead so in a way the nerfs to rengar are indirect nerfs to kha
That logic though. "Riot nerfed Rengar so we can use our bans on Kha now instead." We shouldn't be forced to ban Kha every game to begin with.
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: Champions that you will never ever play
I refuse to play as {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:134}} because they all feel disgusting to play against and I would never submit another human being to that hell.
Hysthiin (NA)
: Why the fucking fuck am I fucking playing against fucking diamonds. I'm fucking silver V.
Let's break this down. Problem #1: You're playing Flex Queue That's it. Solution #1: Stop playing Flex Queue. You're welcome. Here's my business card. **_Azuk the Jungler_** **_"I told you so, Riot" Expert_** **_Flex Queue is shit and you should feel bad-ologist_**
Tÿler (NA)
: High School eSports League
I'll add after this game, JG main but can play mid (tanks mostly). S3 at the moment, was G3 last season with a G2 peak.
: Actually, they should just stay DC'd so we can remake.
I'm not talking about people who are DC'd, but people who start laning only to find that their ping is 500+, forcing them to just sit under turret.
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: No, I played him a lot last season though...
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